Would you prefer Fine Gael to Form a Government with Sinn Fein or Fianna Fail

niallers1

It is a possibility so don't rule it out...but

Given the choice, Would you prefer Fine Gael to go into government with Fianna Fail or Sinn Fein? :eek:

Tipp Man

FF without a shadow of doubt

gent9662

I'd prefer the Nazi party to form with Fianna Gail than those other two

[Jackass]

Well, neither, obviously, and neither would happen, no matter what, but if i HAD to pick one, it would of course be FF.

They may be incompetent corrupt common criminals, but at least they're not incompetent corrupt murderers.

wolfpawnat

dclane wrote: »

I'd prefer the Nazi party to form with Fianna Gail than those other two

Since they are both extreme right fascists, they would get on quite well.

On a serious note, you know that Adams would not be Enda's little b!tch so anything that was too mad would not get through, though as they are extreme opposites you can tell FF would probably have less arguments with them, though you can imagine how much would be given to the banks if FG and FF were in together!

raymon

A party that supports alleged murderers and alleged bank robbers vs a party that supports alleged corrupt individuals and thieves

Mmmmmmm let me think

I wouldn't trust either one to be honest

Pete_Cavan

If FF had any morals or any belief in their 4 Year Plan, they would do a Tallaght Strategy on it and back FG.

wolfpawnat

[Jackass] wrote: »

Well, neither, obviously, and neither would happen, no matter what, but if i HAD to pick one, it would of course be FF.

They may be incompetent and corrupt, but at least they're not incompetent corrupt murderers.

FG - Fascists - Fought with Franco.

FF - anti-treaty - cause civil war in Ireland.

Labour - Official IRA.

Sinn Féin - Provisional IRA.

The Provos and Officials are long dissolved, the Continuity and the Reals are not associated with any of the above parties, so if you don't want "murderers" in the Dáil, then you better be voting Greens and Independents! :rolleyes:

Pure Sound

I'd prefer a FG/FF coalition over a FG/Labour coalition never mind the sinn fein option. If FF and FG joined together we may then get proper left and right wing politics in this country which is strongly required instead of this populist centre bull**** trying to please all of the people all of the time without considering what sort of political system works.

Zubeneschamali

Fianna Fail.

Hopefully, the Republican bits of FF would split off and join SF in permanent obscurity, the Permanent Government civil service types in FF would run to Labour, the Parish Pumpers can feck off to be local Independents, and the pro-business element would meld with FG.

They could rebrand as the Christian Democrats.

paul71

wolfpawnat wrote: »

FG - Fascists - Fought with Franco.

FF - anti-treaty - cause civil war in Ireland.

Labour - Official IRA.

Sinn Féin - Provisional IRA.

The Provos and Officials are long dissolved, the Continuity and the Reals are not associated with any of the above parties, so if you don't want "murderers" in the Dáil, then you better be voting Greens and Independents! :rolleyes:

All so incestuous isn't, funny that each one can be traced back to the IRB/Sein Fein and the only desendant of the old Irish Parlimentary Party the largest nationalist party at the time is the SDLP.

Pherekydes

wolfpawnat wrote: »

Labour - Official IRA.

Why are you spouting these nonsensical lies?

Labour was formed as the political wing of the Irish Trade Union Congress.

Liam Byrne

niallers1 wrote: »

It is a possibility so don't rule it out...but

Given the choice, Would you prefer Fine Gael to go into government with Fianna Fail or Sinn Fein? :eek:

Rock & Hard Place springs to mind, since neither respect the views of Irish people or their rights.

If the above were an either-or scenario, I'd vote Labour.

PeterIanStaker

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

If FF had any morals

They don't and they never have. Which is why we're in this mess.

Back on topic, neither.
FG and SF, neither of which I'm a fan of, are economically incompatible.

bleg

Thankfully fine gael wouldn't form a coalition with either.

wolfpawnat

Pherekydes wrote: »

Why are you spouting these nonsensical lies?

Labour was formed as the political wing of the Irish Trade Union Congress.

Dear God read a book!

ITGWU - Irish Citizen's Army

Labour was the political part of the Officials, hence the questions about why if Adam's is being questioned about his supposed militant past if Gilmore isn't getting the same grilling.

When Gilmore was on the late late he was questioned on it too!


I cannot see why people are so ashamed of Ireland's past. We are a country who has had to fight hard to get where we are and not always by peaceful means.

http://irishconflict.webs.com/nationalistparties.htm

ninty9er

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

If FF had any morals or any belief in their 4 Year Plan, they would do a Tallaght Strategy on it and back FG.

Micheál Martin said on Matt Cooper 3 weeks ago that he would.

The Brigadier

raymon wrote: »

A party that supports alleged murderers and alleged bank robbers vs a party that supports alleged corrupt individuals and thieves

Sorry, which is which?

lugha

I wonder would Labour do a deal with FF + A.N. Other(s) if FG could make it without them? :eek:
Let's face it. Most of their senior heads are pushing on, they will probably never serve in government if they don't make it this time. And they do have a bit of form in this regard (1992) .

K-9

wolfpawnat wrote: »

Dear God read a book!

ITGWU - Irish Citizen's Army

Labour was the political part of the Officials, hence the questions about why if Adam's is being questioned about his supposed militant past if Gilmore isn't getting the same grilling.

When Gilmore was on the late late he was questioned on it too!


I cannot see why people are so ashamed of Ireland's past. We are a country who has had to fight hard to get where we are and not always by peaceful means.

http://irishconflict.webs.com/nationalistparties.htm

I'd suggest reading up on The Workers Party and after that Democratic Left.

Pherekydes

wolfpawnat wrote: »

Dear God read a book!

ITGWU - Irish Citizen's Army

Labour was the political part of the Officials, hence the questions about why if Adam's is being questioned about his supposed militant past if Gilmore isn't getting the same grilling.

When Gilmore was on the late late he was questioned on it too!


I cannot see why people are so ashamed of Ireland's past. We are a country who has had to fight hard to get where we are and not always by peaceful means.

http://irishconflict.webs.com/nationalistparties.htm

History of ITGWU.

Read up yourself. Just because many union members took part in the 1916 uprising as Irish Citizen Army members, it doesn't follow that "ITGWU - Irish Citizen's Army".

Further, Adams' past is being questioned because people may be concerned that he personally may have been involved in criminality.

Gilmore has no such questions about his past (unless these questions are just to deflect attention).

Adrian009

niallers1 wrote: »

It is a possibility so don't rule it out...but

Given the choice, Would you prefer Fine Gael to go into government with Fianna Fail or Sinn Fein? :eek:

Sinn Fein, but only if they repudiated the IRA and stopped calling us the 26 counties. Ireland, or Eire, are the offical names of our country.

Anyway, we have 29 counties these days.

cc4life

Adrian009 wrote: »

Sinn Fein, but only if they repudiated the IRA and stopped calling us the 26 counties. Ireland, or Eire, are the offical names of our country.

Anyway, we have 29 counties these days.

how have we 29?

Pherekydes

cc4life wrote: »

how have we 29?

South Dublin, Fingal and Dun Laoghaire, plus the other 26.

My name is URL

I couldn't care less tbh.. both FF and SF are invalid parties atm. The greatest injustice would be if Labour side with them. Wave goodbye to any sort of decent opposition if that happens.

Adrian009

cc4life wrote: »

how have we 29?

South Dublin, Fingal and Dun Laoghaire-Rathdown were added a few years back. C'mon, I know you SF lads are mainly based in the north but were only across the border from ye!

hardcore

I would pick FF as SF-FG coalition would simply collapse during negotations of the coalition policies.

K-9

My name is URL wrote: »

I couldn't care less tbh.. both FF and SF are invalid parties atm. The greatest injustice would be if Labour side with them. Wave goodbye to any sort of decent opposition if that happens.

Thing is, it's either a Labour led opposition, or a FG majority or as near it Government! I'd prefer Labour in Government with FG, I think they'd do the country more service that way.

Opposition doesn't mean that much in the Dail unfortunately.

As for the OP, FF but both are unlikely. Funny enough, I'd say SF is more likely. FF would be committing political suicide by going into Government again.

goat2

right now, i could not care who run the country, as long as those that get in do a good job,

Tigger

Pherekydes wrote: »

South Dublin, Fingal and Dun Laoghaire, plus the other 26.

thats 28 lol

Manach

SF - in that they've actually more experience in Government(NI) than FG.

Breezer

Neither, but if push came to shove FF. At least some of FF's policies sort of make sense, they're just too corrupt and/or incompetent to implement them properly. SF's policies would destroy the country to a degree even FF can only dream of.

gent9662

Pherekydes wrote: »

Why are you spouting these nonsensical lies?

Labour was formed as the political wing of the Irish Trade Union Congress.

And where did James Connolly fight?

Adrian009

Manach wrote: »

SF - in that they've actually more experience in Government(NI) than FG.

But NI is the UK, whereas at least FG have been in government in Ireland.

paul71

Manach wrote: »

SF - in that they've actually more experience in Government(NI) than FG.

You cannot equate the two.

Stormont is not a government it is a regional parliament, its like comparing the Welsh assembly to the Danish parliament. Ultimate reponsibilty lies with Westminister not Stormont.

Bottle_of_Smoke

Although I like Sinn Fein better than Fianna Fail I'd have to say I'd rather FG went with FF.

Fine Gael and Sinn Fein's policies are very different and pretty much offensive to each other. By that I mean Sinn Fein could not sell FG proposals to their supporters and vice versa.

Whilst FF/FG don't have exact same policies their policies are not offensive to each other's supporters. You could put all the FG policies through and there wouldn't be any significant problems from the FF supporters.

Tigger

Pherekydes wrote: »

Wut? South Dublin, Dun Laoghaire and Fingal are 3 counties. Add them to the regular 26 and you get...?

3+26=?

If you get stuck ask a five year-old.

the regular 26 include dublin; if you count dublin as the three sub counties you don't count dublin again.

In 1994, County Dublin was dissolved and the area divided into the modern administrative counties of Dun Laoghaire-Rathdown, Fingal and South Dublin. Today, these areas collectively make up the Dublin Region[2] (Réigiúin Átha Cliath) and come under the remit of the Dublin Regional Authority. While administration of the county has been split and the county dissolved from a political-administrative perspective, the county persists as an entity in other categories such as geography studies, postal and census services, Gaelic Athletic Association teams, and as an entity with which people continue to identify.

the five year old comment was a bit unnessiciary

bazman05

niallers1 wrote: »

It is a possibility so don't rule it out...but

Given the choice, Would you prefer Fine Gael to go into government with Fianna Fail or Sinn Fein? :eek:

If the policies of Sinn Fein were to be believed (that's a big if), then it would have to be them.

We need to strike a balance in our next government and a Fianna Gael and Fianna Fail are 2 very right wing governments who will stop at nothing to protect our capitalist economy (Fianna Fail have already done this, big time) at the expense of the poorer people in society to protect the rich.

Sinn Fein's policies would have you believe that they are more of a left wing government so on paper would create a government that would be that little bit fairer overall.

So staunch Fianna Fail and Fianna Gael supporters have either got money to burn and don't care about the less fortunate or have no mind of their own and have had it beaten into them that there is no alternative, and then you could vote for Sinn Fein and maybe take a step in the right direction to a fairer system.

jimmycrackcorm

bazman05 wrote: »

Sinn Fein's policies would have you believe that they are more of a left wing government so on paper would create a government that would be that little bit fairer overall.
.

What makes you think that SF are in any way fair. One of their first acts in govt. would be to insist that the Gda McCabe killers get set free. That's fair isn't it.

In economic terms they're hell bent on shoving two fingers up the noses of Europe and anyone else in the sole interests of creating the "new republic".

Pete_Cavan

bazman05 wrote: »

We need to strike a balance in our next government and a Fianna Gael and Fianna Fail are 2 very right wing governments who will stop at nothing to protect our capitalist economy (Fianna Fail have already done this, big time) at the expense of the poorer people in society to protect the rich.

With protecting bondholders, tax breaks, rigid wage agreements, benchmarking, upward only rent reviews, etc. we do not have a capitalist economy. A lot of what FF did over the last 14 years has been left oriented, we now need a centre-right government to curtail our crazy level of public spending and to keep taxes as low as possible to get our economy to recover.

bazman05

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

What makes you think that SF are in any way fair. One of their first acts in govt. would be to insist that the Gda McCabe killers get set free. That's fair isn't it.

In economic terms they're hell bent on shoving two fingers up the noses of Europe and anyone else in the sole interests of creating the "new republic".

Freeing Gda McCabe has nothing to do with the economy, so even though it would be disgusting to do this, it doesn't concern me.

And taking Fianna Fail into consideration, Sinn Fein would be the lesser of two evils. I do like being part of Europe but if we got a fairer system out of them screwing the EU, then so be it.

K-9

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

With protecting bondholders, tax breaks, rigid wage agreements, benchmarking, upward only rent reviews, etc. we do not have a capitalist economy. A lot of what FF did over the last 14 years has been left oriented, we now need a centre-right government to curtail our crazy level of public spending and to keep taxes as low as possible to get our economy to recover.

I wouldn't see protecting bondholders, tax breaks or upward only rent reviews as left wing!

Pete_Cavan

K-9 wrote: »

I wouldn't see protecting bondholders, tax breaks or upward only rent reviews as left wing!

Maybe it wasnt clear from my post but I wasnt referring to those as left wing, I was highlighting those as anti-capitalist.

bazman05

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

With protecting bondholders, tax breaks, rigid wage agreements, benchmarking, upward only rent reviews, etc. we do not have a capitalist economy. A lot of what FF did over the last 14 years has been left oriented, we now need a centre-right government to curtail our crazy level of public spending and to keep taxes as low as possible to get our economy to recover.

You've got a point there. Maybe Fianna Fail created more of a dictatorship soon as the banks started to fail and screwed the poor to look after the rich.

And what we should all aim for is a more balanced system, but what baffles me is that the risk of Fianna Fail getting some sort of power is still there and Fianna Gael getting an overall majority would not be much different from what we had.

That Irish trait that we should constantly give these politicians second chances and keep everything the same is still prevalent today, and I'm actually worried about the result on Saturday.

Pherekydes

Tigger wrote: »

the five year old comment was a bit unnessiciary

That's true. I apologise for that. It was very childish.

Tigger wrote: »

the regular 26 include dublin; if you count dublin as the three sub counties you don't count dublin again.

The old county Dublin is now divided up into 4 "counties":

The statutory instrument giving effect to the Act came into force on 1 January 1994[4] The instrument also provided for the abolition of Dublin County Council - the entity that previously had responsibility for Dun Laoghaire-Rathdown, Fingal and South Dublin. The four entities collectively comprise the former entity known as County Dublin. This feudal entity, which had been created during the Norman invasion of Ireland, was abolished under the Acts.

joulter

preferably neither, but if pushed i'd say sf. They would make FG take a tougher line on the banking problem and negate the west brit stick that ff will probably revert to throwing at FG when they are in opposition

wolfpawnat

K-9 wrote: »

I'd suggest reading up on The Workers Party and after that Democratic Left.

Pherekydes wrote: »

History of ITGWU.

Read up yourself. Just because many union members took part in the 1916 uprising as Irish Citizen Army members, it doesn't follow that "ITGWU - Irish Citizen's Army".

Further, Adams' past is being questioned because people may be concerned that he personally may have been involved in criminality.

Gilmore has no such questions about his past (unless these questions are just to deflect attention).

I will answer both of you with the one comment if that is ok?

The reason I gave those examples of particular parties (and union) and their links with armed groups is to show their connections. Not every member of FG was a fascist, nor was every member of the ITGWU involved with the ICA. My point was to state that just because a few, and a mean very few SF members have links with the IRA does not mean the party is solely made up of IRA members.

Doherty was only a baby during the troubles. O' Caolin has no links to any violence whatsoever. Yes McGuinness has done time for being a member of the IRA, and Ferris has done time for gun running, but to assume every member of the party is member of the IRA is madness. And as for Adams, talk about guilty until proven innocent!

Tigger

Pherekydes wrote: »

That's true. I apologise for that. It was very childish.



The old county Dublin is now divided up into 4 "counties":

no its three counties and a city council but the point is so trivial i dont see any reason in

wilson10

Apart from being hypothetical, the question is irrelevent as neither is remotely possibly.

goat2

whatever any one says about labour, it is them that we can thank for this election, not fine gael, eamon gilmore was the only one who spoke up and got us to where we are now, at least we now have a choice thanks to him

K-9

wolfpawnat wrote: »

I will answer both of you with the one comment if that is ok?

The reason I gave those examples of particular parties (and union) and their links with armed groups is to show their connections. Not every member of FG was a fascist, nor was every member of the ITGWU involved with the ICA. My point was to state that just because a few, and a mean very few SF members have links with the IRA does not mean the party is solely made up of IRA members.

Doherty was only a baby during the troubles. O' Caolin has no links to any violence whatsoever. Yes McGuinness has done time for being a member of the IRA, and Ferris has done time for gun running, but to assume every member of the party is member of the IRA is madness. And as for Adams, talk about guilty until proven innocent!

Well a majority SF voters don't trust him on it either:

FG most trusted on economy, poll finds - Opinion Polls, Elections - Independent.ie

Gerry Adams
73pc do not believe his claim that he was not a member of the IRA.
The Sinn Fein president bizarrely states he was never a member of the IRA, despite being a leader of the Republican movement for the best part of three decades.
But the public doesn't buy it and 73pc -- or almost three out of four people --believe he was an IRA member, with this view most prevalent among those over 50, higher social classes, farmers, people in Munster and Fianna Fail supporters.
Mr Adams's claim is believed by 13pc of people and is highest among adults under 24, people in Connacht-Ulster and Sinn Fein supporters. Only 35pc of Sinn Fein supporters believe he was not a member of the IRA.