We all partied in the good times

Dymo

We all partied in the good times that's what Michael Martin is just after announcing on the radio, well I wish he would wake up to reality, his party partied in the good times, Junkets everywhere, boosting wages and jobs for the boys all round.

Well I didn't party I did my job, no money for foreign apartments or new cars I just lived to my means and am now been squeezed due to his partying. It just gets me mad the way he's branding everyone as being like the bankers and now we have to pay for there folly.

ednwireland

+1 the guy is in la la land i never earned even close to the industrial average wage (still dont).

Laois_Man

Does the fact that I paid twice the amount for a house than what it was worth, because I needed somewhere to live, qualify me as one of these party goers?

Being ripped off - what a party!!

ednwireland

Laois_Man wrote: »

Does the fact that I paid twice the amount for a house than what it was worth, because I needed somewhere to live, qualify me as one of these party goers?

Being ripped off - what a party!!

yep hes talking about you (wonder if he wants to see the debts from running my own business and people not paying me )

Skrynesaver

I paid my bills, borrowed within my means, worked for my money and enjoyed a few jars @ the weekend. However I didn't buy apartments in Bulgaria, do my shopping in NY and my golfing in Dubai.

He's like an incontinent drunk the morning after claiming everyone was at the party so we should all clean up his mess.

I may have been there but I wasn't partying in an irresponsible fahion

Minstrel27

Some party alright. Barely able to afford a small second hand car and rent. That must be the party that he refers to. I am fed up of idiots like Mr Martin who are detached from the people they are supposed to represent.

Monty Burnz

Laois_Man wrote: »

Does the fact that I paid twice the amount for a house than what it was worth, because I needed somewhere to live, qualify me as one of these party goers?

I needed a place to live too, so instead of buying a house I knew was too expensive, I rented one...

...but yeah, these guys are some chancers. Sure, some folks lost the run of themselves with their New York shopping trips and Brown Thomas everything, but a lot of folks carried on as normal and were impacted by the increasing cost of everything around them (especially property).

Fianna Failure trying to spread the myth that THEY were the REAL victims of the bubble (that they engineered). Good luck with selling that FFail, nobody is buying.

Laminations

Skrynesaver wrote: »

He's like an incontinent drunk the morning after claiming everyone was at the party so we should all clean up his mess.

But we were all at the party. However while some of us stood in a corner eating popcorn, enjoying the odd drink and taken aback by the spectacle of it all, others rampaged around the house downing pints, puking up, slagging those who were not drinking, forcing drinks down those who wanted to take part and smashing holes in the walls. Meanwhile the party organisers (FF), responsible for the house, were upstairs in bed (with the person supplying the booze).

And next morning we are apparently all to blame?

bernardo mac

Yeah,Micheal,your Party is over,finished.Soldiers of Destiny mewhole-Mercenaries!

jmayo

Monty Burnz wrote: »

I needed a place to live too, so instead of buying a house I knew was too expensive, I rented one...

...but yeah, these guys are some chancers. Sure, some folks lost the run of themselves with their New York shopping trips and Brown Thomas everything, but a lot of folks carried on as normal and were impacted by the increasing cost of everything around them (especially property).

Fianna Failure trying to spread the myth that THEY were the REAL victims of the bubble (that they engineered). Good luck with selling that FFail, nobody is buying.

Yeah but Monty be fair, Laois_man and most of the others who bought overpriced houses/apartments to live in are trying their best to repay their debts.

On the other hand the friends of ff, the likes of the kellys, the macnamaras, the ronans, the drumms, the fitzpatricks are allowed thanks to ff to dump their debts on us, the taxpayers and citizens of this state.

That is where the real crime is.

GreeBo

Dymo wrote: »

We all partied in the good times that's what Michael Martin is just after announcing on the radio, well I wish he would wake up to reality, his party partied in the good times, Junkets everywhere, boosting wages and jobs for the boys all round.

Well I didn't party I did my job, no money for foreign apartments or new cars I just lived to my means and am now been squeezed due to his partying. It just gets me mad the way he's branding everyone as being like the bankers and now we have to pay for there folly.

That'd be the bankers that were forcing people to take out the loans at gunpoint yeah?

Play another tune will ya, this one is getting boring.

zig

Yes a declining healthcare, scandalous house prices, a constant feeling that you are being completely fleeced with prices is some party alright.

I hope people around the country dont actually accept that as a reasoning to why we should face the hard times now.

Zubeneschamali

ednwireland wrote: »

yep hes talking about you

I wonder if Martin realises that Ross O'Carroll Kelly is a joke?

flynnlives

In 1991 Martin recieved 6.5k punts from Owen O'Callaghan.
He lodged it into his wifes bank account in dublin.

At the time that was equivalent to half the average industrial wage!


Oh, yes, Martin has been partying, partying for a long long time!!

bmaxi

It's the old trick, tell a lie enough times and people will believe it. FF are adept at this.
In my own case, I wasn't at the party, didn't know it was on, didn't get an invitation, all I got was the bill.

vacman1104

In my opinion micheal martin can do no wrong. AND bertie aherne and charlie haughey are two of irelands misunderstood heros

GSF

Maybe even meant that everybody still voting FF on Friday partied during the good times?

Monty Burnz

jmayo wrote: »

On the other hand the friends of ff, the likes of the kellys, the macnamaras, the ronans, the drumms, the fitzpatricks are allowed thanks to ff to dump their debts on us, the taxpayers and citizens of this state.

That is where the real crime is.

Yup. I have maximum respect for those who continue or do their best to meet their mortgage repayments each month, unlike our developer friends who manage to keep up their millionaire lifestyles while handing us the bill for their huge business failures. Or Simon Kelly who can't pay back a cent of the 13 million he owes because he only has an income of 80k and he has to spend 27k of that on private schools for his children...

analucija

Dymo wrote: »

We all partied in the good times that's what Michael Martin is just after announcing on the radio, well I wish he would wake up to reality, his party partied in the good times, Junkets everywhere, boosting wages and jobs for the boys all round.

Well I didn't party I did my job, no money for foreign apartments or new cars I just lived to my means and am now been squeezed due to his partying. It just gets me mad the way he's branding everyone as being like the bankers and now we have to pay for there folly.

If you look at the amount of debt an average person has in this country in comparison to other EU countries, you may be an exception but we certainly partied. It doesn't mean that people had great time but they still spent too much.

oppenheimer1

jmayo wrote: »

Yeah but Monty be fair, Laois_man and most of the others who bought overpriced houses/apartments to live in are trying their best to repay their debts.

On the other hand the friends of ff, the likes of the kellys, the macnamaras, the ronans, the drumms, the fitzpatricks are allowed thanks to ff to dump their debts on us, the taxpayers and citizens of this state.

That is where the real crime is.

There hasn't been debt forgiveness. They still owe the money. Why do you keep saying they are dumping their debt on us, when it isn't true.

Sir Oxman

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Yup. I have maximum respect for those who continue or do their best to meet their mortgage repayments each month, unlike our developer friends who manage to keep up their millionaire lifestyles while handing us the bill for their huge business failures. Or Simon Kelly who can't pay back a cent of the 13 million he owes because he only has an income of 80k and he has to spend 27k of that on private schools for his children...

13million?
On BBC Panorama last night Simon Kelly said he owed 143million personally out of his companies debts of 2 BILLION, just a small drop he said knowing he never can pay it back.

These are the ones that partied.

Zubeneschamali

analucija wrote: »

we certainly partied. It doesn't mean that people had great time but they still spent too much.

Maybe you did. Maybe Martin and his Anglo pals did.

Stop telling me I did: you don't know me, you don't know anything about my finances.

vacman1104

Well curr353
charlie haughey and bertie aherne started the ball rolling for the celtic tiger ie the good times.

marienbad

Forget about it just more Fianna Fail waffle that may have worked in the past , but not any more. (I hope)

It is their age old mantra of spreading the blame, remember these ones-

the country is living beyond it's means, we must all tighten our belts
not just our lads are corrupt , all politicians are corrupt

And now we have , not just the connected classes at the party , but we all partied !

When everyone is to blame, no one is to blame , so you may as well vote for us

danbohan

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

Maybe you did. Maybe Martin and his Anglo pals did.

Stop telling me I did: you don't know me, you don't know anything about my finances.

if you were gainfully employed or indeed unemployed in most sectors in ireland during the boom by any normal world standards you were overpaid , so yes you partied

Dr Bill

I heard Brian Lenehan say something similar earlier in the year and it really p*ssed me off to see the wry grin on his face as he spoke, as if our so called 'party' was responsible for the state of the country. Delighted to see the back of Fianna Fáil and heres hoping the next lot do a bit better at managing the 'party'.:rolleyes:

PeterIanStaker

Who's we?

Zubeneschamali

danbohan wrote: »

if you were gainfully employed or indeed unemployed in most sectors in ireland during the boom by any normal world standards you were overpaid , so yes you partied

See that word "most"? That's an admission that you know nothing about me.

Dr Bill

Dymo wrote: »

We all partied in the good times that's what Michael Martin is just after announcing on the radio, well I wish he would wake up to reality, his party partied in the good times, Junkets everywhere, boosting wages and jobs for the boys all round.

Well I didn't party I did my job, no money for foreign apartments or new cars I just lived to my means and am now been squeezed due to his partying. It just gets me mad the way he's branding everyone as being like the bankers and now we have to pay for there folly.

I heard Brian Lenehan say something similar earlier in the year and it really p*ssed me off to see the wry grin on his face as he spoke, as if our so called 'party' was responsible for the state of the country. Delighted to see the back of Fianna Fáil and heres hoping the next lot do a bit better at managing the 'party'.:rolleyes:

HooterSnout

Dymo wrote: »

We all partied in the good times that's what Michael Martin is just after announcing on the radio, well I wish he would wake up to reality, his party partied in the good times, Junkets everywhere, boosting wages and jobs for the boys all round.

Well I didn't party I did my job, no money for foreign apartments or new cars I just lived to my means and am now been squeezed due to his partying. It just gets me mad the way he's branding everyone as being like the bankers and now we have to pay for there folly.

Did he say that? He must have some pair of brass monkeys.

vacman1104

The words of true leaders. they brought this country out of resession.built this country to what it is today.

Liam Byrne

Dymo wrote: »

We all partied in the good times that's what Michael Martin is just after announcing on the radio.

What radio station, and why didn't the presenter pull him up on this blatant lie ?

It's what he wants everyone to believe in order to justify screwing us all with the bill, but he's 100% wrong and the fact that he trots out this lie means that his promise of a "new FF" is absolute tosh!

3 days to go until we get the chance to answer this lying chancer!

Sir Oxman

It's the last attempt of FF to get the last of the undecided's to navel gaze and feel a bit of guilt before they pick up the auld pencil on Friday.
And sure, they'll get a few votes out of it.

Monty Burnz

danbohan wrote: »

if you were gainfully employed or indeed unemployed in most sectors in ireland during the boom by any normal world standards you were overpaid , so yes you partied

Can you please explain your case in a little more detail?

bmaxi

analucija wrote: »

If you look at the amount of debt an average person has in this country in comparison to other EU countries, you may be an exception but we certainly partied. It doesn't mean that people had great time but they still spent too much.

I reckon that can be explained by the fact that during the "boom" everything was top price.
The fact that houses, for example, can be sold today at 40% of their price of 4 years ago and still show a profit, is evidence of that. The same applies to a lot of the consumer goods for which people would normally borrow.

analucija

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

Maybe you did. Maybe Martin and his Anglo pals did.

Stop telling me I did: you don't know me, you don't know anything about my finances.

I don't know anything about your finances but I know about personal debt stats and Ireland has highest personal debt in relation to the income in developed world. And that is not just because FF and developers spent to much or because salaries fell that much in last couple years.

There will always be exceptions like you google numbers on personal debt in Ireland and you'll see that the rest of Europe managed to live a little more prudently. As an example, I had good income in Slovenia but max I could get credit card for was for 80% of my monthly income and monthly spend had to be paid 14 days after the end of the month or at best in three direct debited monthly payments if you opted for that when you signed for CC.

MaceFace

bmaxi wrote: »

I reckon that can be explained by the fact that during the "boom" everything was top price.
The fact that houses, for example, can be sold today at 40% of their price of 4 years ago and still show a profit, is evidence of that. The same applies to a lot of the consumer goods for which people would normally borrow.

To many people, money was no object.
I think it is arrogant of Martin to say we all partied, but many of us (us as in people who live in this country), spent like there was no tomorrow.

It was a credit binge that the vast majority of the population was only to happy to partake in.

danbohan

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Can you please explain your case in a little more detail?

salarys in ireland in any field you want look at in say 2005 or 2006 compared to european average in public and private sector , lifestyles of average working class in ireland reflected higher middle class in most other countrys ,

dabestman1

I have a steady job, rent a house and never had a credit card as i as always beleived in paying cash for things, hence no debt. I am sure there are many like me, but to say we partied is farcical and he should be taken up on this, another Micheal blunder, alienated northerners a few weeks ago.

analucija

bmaxi wrote: »

I reckon that can be explained by the fact that during the "boom" everything was top price.
The fact that houses, for example, can be sold today at 40% of their price of 4 years ago and still show a profit, is evidence of that. The same applies to a lot of the consumer goods for which people would normally borrow.

But in other countries they don't borrow that much. If they can't afford a house, they rent. I know we were ripped off here but people did very often get into debt because of overspend on non-essentials. Remortgaging house because you are getting married, want new kitchen or are buying a car is crazy. FF and banks deserve all the blame for not regulating or stopping that but I do resent when people play dumb and don't want except responsibilities for their actions. And that includes FF, bankers and developers but not only them and as long we will be pretending that it was only some internal enemy that did that to us, nothing will change.

Jolly Red Giant

Between 2006-2008 450 people made €41billion in profit to bring their combined wealth to a total of €68billion. The richest 33,000 in the country had a combined wealth of €152billion in 2008 (now revised downward to €121billion to take account of the crash).

The other 4 million people didn't even come close.

Zubeneschamali

dabestman1 wrote: »

I have a steady job, rent a house and never had a credit card as i as always beleived in paying cash for things, hence no debt.

I use a credit card for convenience, but always pay the bill in full. My only debt is a mortgage, which will be paid off next year.

My school maths teacher put the fear of god into us years ago using calculations of compound interest, and the present and future value of money.

I never understood the mentality of people who would change their car based on when they could afford the monthly payments, without looking at total costs.

So Mr. Martin, stick it in your ear.

ednwireland

Liam Byrne wrote: »

What radio station, and why didn't the presenter pull him up on this blatant lie ?

It's what he wants everyone to believe in order to justify screwing us all with the bill, but he's 100% wrong and the fact that he trots out this lie means that his promise of a "new FF" is absolute tosh!

3 days to go until we get the chance to answer this lying chancer!

Pat kenny show listener question and yes the listener pulled him up on it and then martin started trying to squirm out of it saying he didnt mean theat the listener partied.
the mans a weasel nothing else

raymon

Martin is a liar like a lot of other FFers .

Why is anyone surprised ???

He is trying to rewrite the "treason years " and remove this period from the FF legacy.

I will not forget the damage he and his party caused

johnmcdnl

I didn't party Sur I still have a CRT television

danbohan

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

See that word "most"? That's an admission that you know nothing about me.

so your income in ireland was similar to what was paid to somebody doing your job in uk or rest of europe ?

bmaxi

analucija wrote: »

But in other countries they don't borrow that much. If they can't afford a house, they rent. I know we were ripped off here but people did very often get into debt because of overspend on non-essentials. Remortgaging house because you are getting married, want new kitchen or are buying a car is crazy. FF and banks deserve all the blame for not regulating or stopping that but I do resent when people play dumb and don't want except responsibilities for their actions. And that includes FF, bankers and developers but not only them and as long we will be pretending that it was only some internal enemy that did that to us, nothing will change.

I would agree that re-mortgaging your house to pay for a wedding or a car is a stupid thing to do but I doubt it is widespread.The most debt incurred is in the original mortgage and that is directly related to the price of the house.
Property ownership is part of the Irish psyche, it probably stems from Penal times and while it can be argued that it is not the way to go, most Irish parents want to have something to hand on to their children. Couple this with the fact that rents, particularly in Dublin, have been outrageous and are only now beginning to fall and that the landord class tend to be the same property speculators and developers who drove the property market to the levels it was at and were, in the main, supporters of FF and in turn were supported by FF. For my own part anyway, it is not hard to see where the blame lies.

P. Breathnach

If discussions on this forum were the only indicator available, I would conclude that just about nobody partied.

Zubeneschamali

danbohan wrote: »

so your income in ireland was similar to what was paid to somebody doing your job in uk or rest of europe ?

Yes, threats of outsourcing to Eastern Europe and Bangalore kept wages down, the Irish operation was competitive with Europe at all times.

Zubeneschamali

P. Breathnach wrote: »

If discussions on this forum were the only indicator available, I would conclude that just about nobody partied.

I doubt that many people are going to jump in with their Ross O'Carroll Kelly stories of life on just, like, €10000 a day.

But the fact remains, there are people who did not party, and this "let's all admit we were wrong and then move on" douchebaggery is just cover for the people who made the mistakes, beginning with FF and Micheál Martin himself.

danbohan

P. Breathnach wrote: »

If discussions on this forum were the only indicator available, I would conclude that just about nobody partied.

discussions on this forum are an indicator that some irish people are still like a bride ditched at the altar , we have crying , weeping , blaming , hatred etc etc , the fact that she was caught in bed that morning with the groomsman is totally irrelevant!