PPO production makes no economical sense since January, thanks to Greens...

Seweryn

As stated above...

I rang my local PPO supplier this morning to arrange some tank filling with PPO and I got the bad news (I didn't know that before).
The Greens signed the new Scheme, which is going to put our local farmers out of business. Source:

http://www.nora.ie/biofuels/biofuels_obligation_scheme.476.476.html

Basically, the Obligation Scheme puts the price of PPO fuel over the price of Diesel fuel after we add all the taxes, charges, fees, levies... :mad: ! It is unbelievable. For the sake of a few bob the Government favours supporting foreign oil companies while putting local producers out of business at the same time. Never mind supporting the Environment.

That news made my day really .

The Greens are absolute and utter clowns, their policies are short sighted, wasteful and ill thought out. Numpties of the highest order, I'd sooner vote for Sinn Fein :eek:

vetstu

Well at least we won't have to worry about them after next Friday when they will be wiped out. :-)
We will still have their legacy of stupidity though

Ali Babba

What exactly does this mean, in plain English like?

SV

Ali Babba wrote: »

What exactly does this mean, in plain English like?

The Green party are a bunch of uneducated self serving twats who don't know their head from their arsehole.


Basically.

Seweryn

Ali Babba wrote: »

What exactly does this mean, in plain English like?

To cut the story short, it simply means that the PPO is now over €1.50 per litre after the new levies, taxes and fees are pumped into the price of the Bio-Fuel, which makes no sense at all for anyone to buy it as motor fuel. It is not the end of the story. If no one is going to buy if from now on, the local producers and all their employees will be soon signing on the Dole. And the Government will have to borrow more money to pay the unemployed people their benefits instead of supporting local businesses.
By doing this, the Government also "promotes" usage of fossil fuels.

How green is that I have no idea :mad:.

shogunpower

WTF is ppo?

Seweryn

shogunpower wrote: »

WTF is ppo?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pure_plant_oil

Matt Simis

Great, so its gone the way of Biodiesel and E85, both of which they effectively ran out of the country by massively taxing them into the ground.

It sickens me when they have the gall to call themselves a "Green" party when in their tenure we have more filthy (non BioDiesel/PPO) diesels on the road than ever before thanks to illogical CO2 Taxation and lower costs on the dirtier fuel (PPO at 1.50 yet DERV at 1.39?).


BTW, Seweryn was the only person I have ever met that was actually legitimately using Veg Oil in his cars, fully taxed as such. This is how Ireland rewards those that try to think outside the box while staying lawful.

Ali Babba

SV wrote: »

The Green party are a bunch of uneducated self serving twats who don't know their head from their arsehole.


Basically.

I'm well aware of that and have been for many years.

I can see this country worst the eastern block Europe in three to five years, seriously.

I can't see how any business is going to survive or individuals for that matter and the introduction of the social levy is the nail in the coffin for sure.

Seweryn

Matt Simis wrote: »

Great, so its gone the way of Biodiesel and E85, both of which they effectively ran out of the country by massively taxing them into the ground.

It sickens me when they have the gall to call themselves a "Green" party when in their tenure we have more filthy (non BioDiesel/PPO) diesels on the road than ever before thanks to illogical CO2 Taxation and lower costs on the dirtier fuel (PPO at 1.50 yet DERV at 1.39?).


BTW, Seweryn was the only person I have ever met that was actually legitimately using Veg Oil in his cars, fully taxed as such. This is how Ireland rewards those that try to think outside the box while staying lawful.

The problem for a PPO user is not as dramatic. Well, I can move on and just go back to the regular Diesel, but the farmer is the person I am sorry about.
He has been investing in the business for years, going abroad and doing all sort of courses and trainings, sourcing the equipment, putting his passion into it, etc. And now his green, locally grown and refined oil has been taxed out of the economy. And by who... By The Greens... I have to say, I have no words for these useless gobesh!tes...

Ali Babba

The governments over the years in this country have been selling out many sectors of business in this country by changing legislation, it's nothing new. Farming, fishing, motor industry, we've all been shafted by them and usually in the guise of an EU directive. Sh!t sick of this place tbh.

kazul

The changes in road tax and vrt based on co2 emissions was the most short sighted act of bolloxology ever. It was a double whammy when finance started to dry up at the same time, putting me and a lot of others out of a job.
It resulted in a new scrappage scheme where perfectly good cars are still being crushed - how green is that???
9 year taxi rule is the same.

The major basic problem is our politicians trying to copy other people's homework (i.e. UK legislation) and making a hash of it.

Irish politicians have NO original ideas and NO strategic mindset. We have been governed by teachers on career breaks for years, and you know what Mark Twain said about teachers...

squod

http://www.politics.ie/political-humour/45838-john-gormley-pennywise-there-resemblance.html

The greens are evil. That is fact.

Ghost Estate

The Greens should be renamed the "Tax and Ban" party

acier

Just looked at the Boards election poll and theres 793 people on here going to vote for those green gobsh1tes, when I was younger being "green" meant you were gullible.

Satanta

So what's the breakdown of tax on 1 litre of PPO vs 1 litre of DERV?

Matt Simis

Satanta wrote: »

So what's the breakdown of tax on 1 litre of PPO vs 1 litre of DERV?

I got it straight from the horses mouth here:
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056173469&highlight=legality

Its basically the same, PPO does have Carbon tax on it, so its very very marginally less taxed. Its still taxed as a "Mineral Oil" however.

argosy2006

What a country we live in, NO BIOFUELS ALLOWED.
what a joke, Huge market for PPO abroad, so it should be still produced and exported to UK or Europe.

acier

Matt Simis wrote: »

Its basically the same, PPO does have Carbon tax on it, so its very very marginally less taxed. Its still taxed as a "Mineral Oil" however.

Only here could a CO2 neutral fuel have CO2 tax put on it.

Top Dog

AS the PPO is now being subjected to a Mineral Oil Tax, when it is not actually a mineral oil, could a group of producers not combine together to challenge this in the courts? Rather than face being put out of business?

squod

Top Dog wrote: »

AS the PPO is now being subjected to a Mineral Oil Tax, when it is not actually a mineral oil,

Yeah, I think they know that. .................................

Top Dog

squod wrote: »

Yeah, I think they know that. .................................

Eh - yeah. But has anyone actually challenged the legality of the charge being imposed on it? :rolleyes:

Satanta

Ask the greens themselves tomorrow:

Tuesday 21 Feb
Ask a Green day
The Greens will undertake a feat never attempted before in Irish politics – the party will host an online Questions and Answer session running all day, from 11am-8pm. The event is aimed at answering people’s questions and getting out the green vote.

In any election campaign, people are looking for answers. On Tuesday the Greens will endeavour to answer any question submitted: personally and truthfully. This election, more than any before, has been dominated by rehearsed soundbite and focus-grouped ‘five point plans’. This pioneering event will provide personal, authentic answers to people’s questions – on any issue.

Fifteen election candidates from around the country, and a team of green volunteers will be online to answer questions from the public. Special guests are also expected to drop in and share their views on politics, the campaign and green issues.

http://vote.greenparty.ie/ask

Edit: If everyone available hits them with the question of taxing the PPO the same as mineral oil then they may sit up and take notice. However... they wont be able to do anything about it now

Satanta

Satanta wrote: »

Ask the greens themselves tomorrow:



http://vote.greenparty.ie/ask

I asked the old chestnuts of how is the scrappage scheme considered environmentally friendly and how do they reckon the CO2 motor tax system is a good way considering exhaust gases contain other more harmful stuff. I don't expect them to actually answer the questions, just reply with a political horsesh1t speel at best.

Seweryn

RoverJames wrote: »

I asked the old chestnuts of how is the scrappage scheme considered environmentally friendly and how do they reckon the CO2 motor tax system is a good way considering exhaust gases contain other more harmful stuff. I don't expect them to actually answer the questions, just reply with a political horsesh1t speel at best.

We need to send as many questions asking the same thing as possible. They may "get" the message then. I will drop them my query as well. If we do nothing, we will be treted like sheep by this bunch of idjits.

derry

Hurrah dance on the grave of the greens non got a seat in the dail

Anyway this is definitly big oil companies doing this
What they did to kill E85 fuels was make a stroing case that Greencore was making a huge loss making sugar from sugar beet.
The large oil companies knew that vast amoiunts of sugar could allow Ireland to quickly ramp up bio fuel E85 ethanol fuels to replace oil if the price went ballistic which it is now doing

So when greencore got closed down they ensured the sugar factory equipment was shipped out of Ireland

last year it was exposed that Green core actualy was not making a big loss and in fact was making a good profit

Toooo late the sugar beet farmers are gone the factories are gone and the abilty to make large amounts of E85 fuel at low prices is mostly gone

Now we know FF got thier kick backs to ensure the Green core was wiped off the planet

The Greens are also in the palms of the oil companies if the truth was realy known as they premote the non use of coal fuels
Why because coal fuels make thoruim a metal that can be used to make pallet sized back yard safe small nuclear plants
Thoruim metal doesnt create eneough heat to make nuclear melt down and accidents but makes lots of heat to make lots of power for years

The real story is big oil knows that coal fuels tailing or ash (the rubbish of coal ) makes massive more power again after it burnt the coal fuel
It makes so much power oil companies have to say coal fuel makes the most CO2 and should be banned

Oil companies spent billions in the 1920 era to say alchol should be banned as drink in the USA..That ban on drink the speak easy times in the USA meant that cars run on alcohol fuels also had to change to run on gasoline

The oil companies knew that if they got the prohabition on alcohol as drink they would force all cars onto gaoline
The oil companies made gazzilions after that and made their money back from changing the USA drinking laws

Leapards dont change spots the oil companies buy up gombeen men here and make you drive oil fueld cars

Derry

Matt Simis

Derry your posts are still 500% too big/long.

Many accusations there, do you have anything to back any of that up?

professore

Why does none of this surprise me ? The Greens had only one thing to really get right and they managed to make it worse than if FF had have been in coalition with ExxonMobil.

derry

Matt Simis wrote: »

Derry your posts are still 500% too big/long.

Many accusations there, do you have anything to back any of that up?

Yep typical motor head you want fast burger awswer one liner sound bite:pac:

I also got 50,000 miles motoring under my belt using bio fuels so I ant a armchair theory type I get out there and experment and do it .
I ant married to petrol deisel oils or bio fuels or greens or Finna what your face types or communist labour or hard core socialist shinners etc hiding in the cuboard communist greens so I will call them the all the scum they are when i get the corrupt spore trails they leave
(Follow the money and you will turn up the corrrupt Sh!t pile they all use to rip our faces with )

Because motor heads dont bother to look the real facts they been getting thier faces ripped for nearly a ~80 years
I could show you all the evedence what I say but you would fall asleep
so for you on the issue does the oil companies rip your face

Well I can back it all up the oil companies using the corrupt goverment parties rip your face with if it walks like a duck talks like a duck .........:pac:

Derry

Matt Simis

Im not saying you are wrong or lying, Im saying making a post with about 15 accusations about different parties and groups but nothing to back it up (presented) doesnt really "do anything".

derry

Ok it looked to be an accusation

The reports on Greencore sugar production could take up a reasonable sized library so I cant show you all that
So you have to except that a perfectly profitable company was closed down for some good reason for somebody that wasn't a good reason for somebody else.. Who the somebodies are I have figured out from their economic footprints like a elephant leaves certain marks as it tramps over the terrain

The Oil companies interference in Bio fuels history in the USA and world wide would also fill a library .
Take it as read that oil companies stop Bio fuel production that can compete with them and barely allow any Bio fuels which cant compete to be produced .

Here is the maths roughly
One barrel of oil costing about ~$ 120 and is about ~40 gallons makes about
~5 gallons of high value stuff like fertilisers, plastics, medicines ,explosives ,chemicals etc .
These high value products they sell for about $20,000
So that means 5 gallons of this oil cost $120/40*5 =$15
That's not a bad little earner turning $15 of oil into $20000 of sales which probably makes $3000 of profit on $15

The rest of the scum bag mega low value ~35 gallons of oil which makes diesel ,petrols, kerosene ,bunker oil,and tar will sell for about $200 on a good day often a lot less

This scum bag low value 35 gallons costs about ~$100 and at best it makes a profit to the oil companies of $30

So its a no brainer if the oil companies allowed us to go into the fuel stations fill up with fuel for free they would lose on $30 on each barrel of oil and we would think these guys are the best thing ever.
$30 sales profits for refined fuels versus $3000 sales profits for high end refined products makes fuel sales barely interesting for oil companies

So now why would the oil companies not want bio fuels ?????

Easy if Bio fuels or some dim wit invents a car that runs on water and replaces oil fuels the oil companies would have to figure how to get rid of this scum bag low value 35 gallon of now waste oil fuels

If they said lets burn it in a big chimney the governments controllers would charge them pollution costs and the $30 of scum bag low value oil could now cost them $100 to burn it all up or maybe pump back under the ground

So enter stage left the scummy governments who want money:pac:
They make a pact we charge big tax on this low value oil some ~80cent per litre and the government will make a killing
Also the government wont allow any big bad wolf type bio fuels to ever pop their heads into this market .
Now you the dim wit motor heads get to burn up the waste oil for the oil companies

Now your completely lost upside down in your world that petrol that costs you an arm and a leg is actually a waste oil product and now your a dim wit for forking out good money to buy that waste oil

Basically us plebs at the bottom of the pile are like the dung bettles that live of the dung dropping that the elephants drop from a great height onto the terrain .We use up thier waste products to make the oil companies and governments a extra fortune

Think of this way the government has the franchise on selling us dung bettles the dung we used to get for free .
The governments are in this dung pile up to their necks and making tons of cash from this dung
And if you think the greens are on your side then there is a bridge I can sell You


Derry

dr.fuzzenstein

Well, Greencore was closed for no good reason it turns out, be it by incompetence or through cute hoorery, we may never know.
http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/1110/greencore.html