No Irish need apply

triple-M

is this another way of saying "no Irish need apply"
http://jobs.ie/ApplyForJob.aspx?Id=1084335

Kiera

Can you post it please. Dont want to click a jobs link in work.

DonJose

Kiera wrote: »

Can you post it please. Dont want to click a jobs link in work.

NSFW

General Operative

Grafton Recruitment poszukuje kandydatów na stanowisko General Operator.

Miejsce Pracy: Kildare i okolice,·

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Musisz być w gotowości do pracy od poniedziałku do niedzieli z możliwością 2 dni wolnych w ciągu tygodnia.
Musisz mieć dobrą znajomość języka angielskiego.
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Musi posiadać obuwie ochronne.
Licencja na wózek widłowy bedzie dodatkowym atutem.

Aby aplikować na powyższe stanowisko prosimy o przesłanie CV poprzez link.

Location Kildare
Payment €8.65 per hour
Category Warehouse / Logistics / Shipping.
Terms Contract, Full-time
Last updated 16/02/2011
Contact Recruitment Manager

orourkeda

at least it's not in irish

Cheeky_gal

Lol!

Pompey Magnus

Translation:

Place of Work: In and around Kildare, ·

To be able to apply for the above positions you must meet the following conditions:

Willingness to work as a shift-day and night. You must be available to work on both shifts.
You must be available to work from Monday to Sunday with the possibility of 2 days off during the week.
You must have good knowledge of English.
You must have experience of working in Stock
Must have safety shoes.
License to forklift will be an advantage.

To apply for this position please send your CV via the link.

sbsquarepants

I'm not sure. I think it's written in Irish:D

orourkeda

Dey took ur jobs

Lumen

triple-M wrote: »

is this another way of saying "no Irish need apply"

Nie wiem, leniwy chłopca. Może poprosić Google o tłumaczenia.

newmug

orourkeda wrote: »

at least it's not in irish

sbsquarepants wrote: »

I'm not sure. I think it's written in Irish:D

Pathetic.

baltimore sun

if you want to be a forklift driver in Kildare then go for it.


Polish to English translation


Grafton Recruitment is looking to recruit a General Operator.

Place of Work: In and around Kildare, ·

To be able to apply for the above positions you must meet the following conditions:

Willingness to work as a shift-day and night. You must be available to work on both shifts.
You must be available to work from Monday to Sunday with the possibility of 2 days off during the week.
You must have good knowledge of English.
You must have experience of working in Stock
Must have safety shoes.
License to forklift will be an advantage.

To apply for this position please send your CV via the link.

Ghost Estate

I'm tempted to apply in English or use google translate to send my email in Polish but what if I get it? I'd feel bad not to take the job but one in Kildare will cost me more in petrol to get there

steve9859

triple-M wrote: »

is this another way of saying "no Irish need apply"
http://jobs.ie/ApplyForJob.aspx?Id=1084335

Just means you need to have fluent Polish. And who has fluent Polish in Ireland other than Polish people. Whats the issue? Some jobs might require fluent German, or an engineering degree

Doop

steve9859 wrote: »

Just means you need to have fluent Polish. And who has fluent Polish in Ireland other than Polish people. Whats the issue? Some jobs might require fluent German, or an engineering degree

Why would you need to be fluent in polish to work in a warehouse?

Its a simple case of the recruitment agent also advertising in another language to open up the pool of potential employees.

See the link below for the same job advertised in English...

http://jobs.ie/ApplyForJob.aspx?Id=1084044

in short no its not a way of them saying no Irish need apply.

Pompey Magnus

Doop wrote: »

Why would you need to be fluent in polish to work in a warehouse?

Its a simple case of the recruitment agent also advertising in another language to open up the pool of potential employees..

If having a good standard of English is a condition of employment then why put the ad in Polish? It seems to be just opening the pool to unqualified candidates who couldn't understand the English ad, and therefore are not suitable for the position anyway.

ejmaztec

orourkeda wrote: »

Dey took ur jobs

This one's being given away, and won't be taken until someone gets it.:P

steve9859

Doop wrote: »

Why would you need to be fluent in polish to work in a warehouse?

Its a simple case of the recruitment agent also advertising in another language to open up the pool of potential employees.

See the link below for the same job advertised in English...

http://jobs.ie/ApplyForJob.aspx?Id=1084044

in short no its not a way of them saying no Irish need apply.

hadnt looked to see if there was an english version. Just figured it might be a polish company looking for polish speakers, and was trying to kill off the OP's implication that there might be some shocking and disgraceful anti-Irish discrimination going on!!

kfallon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPMLffjspRk

Doop

steve9859 wrote: »

hadnt looked to see if there was an english version. Just figured it might be a polish company looking for polish speakers, and was trying to kill off the OP's implication that there might be some shocking and disgraceful anti-Irish discrimination going on!!

Fair enough spose they could be a company who'd sell products to to Poland therefore needing polish..

Either way we should ignore the fact that its also advertised in English, get the OP riled up some more and go BURN down Grafton Recruitment!

Doop

Pompey Magnus wrote: »

If having a good standard of English is a condition of employment then why put the ad in Polish? It seems to be just opening the pool to unqualified candidates who couldn't understand the English ad, and therefore are not suitable for the position anyway.

I duno I dont work for Grafton Recruitment! :cool:

Dravokivich

Pompey Magnus wrote: »

If having a good standard of English is a condition of employment then why put the ad in Polish? It seems to be just opening the pool to unqualified candidates who couldn't understand the English ad, and therefore are not suitable for the position anyway.

reading a language is not the same as speaking it...

donutheadhomer

take a look at this on too http://jobseeker.fas.ie/Default.aspx?q=iSRIxZhfcq1m5f+Y0OsKtmjzeZ3tBArY2ZIYsEymY15Vp8pTboNrHbj5TKM1hafigXL62wGkAuOVh0WFPXEdjeGbXNuecUrZr3+PPrG7viwcB72FDfg42md2RK1IoSmejKhAGl7aElMgHHlGayOX7fNFIYZKozvy2DU0x5azjn2g6WKpXHmm8GGK4iiJrIX7M+nzA0wswQ0ATsrzVm6TRywxCPjxG0cX9odjvkLmCVQcl7LJahpKBEnUpIEKxTpLKC7iCeJAULaHTLtDGh/46tviCtx9PDpDflyhHwHxs1O04iBu1NCZVzU9uVHLQ37fL2L5EOuLyYlu02btE5p22mqmJnka7R/OQRj5uKWsC7pg+TO2UmV+17KZpSXbqDsobJHIzLG76UovQGJi3t7LKktqdDFBJJIu

dunno if above link works but Ref. JOB-589267.

an rusring home that needs a fulltime nurse with Malaysian Language

landsleaving

Probably a Malaysian with little to no english there. Maybe a parent of an immigrant. Fari play to them for trying to consider that kind of thing in fairness.

donutheadhomer

landsleaving wrote: »

Probably a Malaysian with little to no english there. Maybe a parent of an immigrant. Fari play to them for trying to consider that kind of thing in fairness.

it is a regular irish nursing home and a full time job

thebaz

it seams strange , that in a country where half its ethnic population is being forced to emigrate - that such adds still appear - but then nothing surprises me here in ireland now - Irish people emigrate to Aus, U.K. and U.S. where possible - meanwhile Eastern Europeans and other countries flock here

Squirm

I worked in a restaurant a number of years ago. We hired a man from China to work in the kitchen. We then hired a Polish waiter. There were issues language wise from the start, between the Irish staff members but, moreso, between the Chinese and Polish men. After that, we made every effort to only hire Chinese people in the event that we found no suitable Irish candidates. That way, they could communicate with each other efficiently and, with a good grasp of the English language, could communicate with us also.

I suspect this is the same situation. A number of exisiting Polish employees (a [vast] majority perhaps) means that it now makes for easier and more efficient communication (an subsequently work?) between said workers.

I don't think it mean 'no Irish need apply' BUT if it does, is that really a problem? All employers have a good idea of what kind of individual they are looking for- race, age group, sex, socio-economic background... they just disguise it better than this in their generic job advertisments.

Saves some poor, desperate, out-of-work, forklift driver from getting his hopes up, possibly traipsing out to Kildare, spending all that petrol money and not getting the position...!

landsleaving

EurasianBadger wrote: »

it is a regular irish nursing home and a full time job

What's your point exactly?

Cianos

What do you mean "No Irish"....there are plenty of Irish people who speak Polish.

thebaz

Squirm wrote: »

BUT if it does, is that really a problem? ..!

well considering at certain Polish building sites , they had signs signs saying "No Irish" - i think it does -

if they discriminate against irish in ireland , political correctness has gone another step beyond

KindOfIrish

Pompey Magnus wrote: »

conditions:

Willingness to work as a shift-day and night. You must be available to work on both shifts.
You must be available to work from Monday to Sunday with the possibility of 2 days off during the week.

Here is a clue. No Irish will work night shifts on weekend for 8.65. Simple!:D

donutheadhomer

KindOfIrish wrote: »

Here is a clue. No Irish will work night shifts on weekend for 8.65. Simple!:D

wow the possibility of 2 days

Brenireland

What a joke.

A job description in Polish on an Irish Job Site,They have the cheek don't they,This is what bertie got us for opening the countries gates,vacancies in our own country but only for the polish or maybe people who speak polish.

El Weirdo

Brenireland wrote: »

What a joke.

A job description in Polish on an Irish Job Site,They have the cheek don't they,This is what bertie got us for opening the countries gates,vacancies in our own country but only for the polish or maybe people who speak polish.

:rolleyes:
Have you read the thread? The same job is advertised in English.

Edit: I'd wager that any Polish person that gets that job might have a better grasp of the English language than yourself.

Brenireland

El Weirdo wrote: »

:rolleyes:
Have you read the thread? The same job is advertised in English.

Edit: I'd wager that any Polish person that gets that job might have a better grasp of the English language than yourself.

oh okay,And to be fair I doubt a polish person would have a better grasp of the English language to be honest.

spurious

thebaz wrote: »

well considering at certain Polish building sites , they had signs signs saying "No Irish" - i think it does -

No they didn't, they did not want Polish people who came back from Irish sites spouting all sorts of rights and entitlements.

tallaghtmick

Brenireland wrote: »

oh okay,And to be fair I doubt a polish person would have a better grasp of the English language to be honest.

worked with a polish lad before,he was a translator for the polish embassy part time his english was brilliant and used the so called "big words" your average scanger wouldnt,in saying that we are irish and we ruined the english language to suit ourselves:D

Squirm

thebaz wrote: »

well considering at certain Polish building sites , they had signs signs saying "No Irish" - i think it does -

if they discriminate against irish in ireland , political correctness has gone another step beyond

I don't think anyone has made any reference here to this being a job on a building site OR to them posting signs at said building site saying "No Irish".

I am not condoning discrimination. I am stating that an employer should be entitled to seek an employee that is bilingual and should have the right to seek an emloyee who does not have English as their first language.

All employees have certain criteria required of prospective candidates... some they list in the job description and some they cannot and do not.

If posting the advertisment in Polish means they receive more suitable applicants i.e. people who can read, write and speak Polish, then fair enough.

You often see advertisments for jobs for Irish teachers posted as gaeilge and if I were applying for a job as an English teacher I would expect the post to be in English. If you can't read the job description because you do not have enough of a grasp of that language, than you are not what they are looking for.

As has been said already. There are irish people who speak and read Polish... let them apply!

Brenireland

Squirm wrote: »

I don't think anyone has made any reference here to this being a job on a building site OR to them posting signs at said building site saying "No Irish".

I am not condoning discrimination. I am stating that an employer should be entitled to seek an employee that is bilingual and should have the right to seek an emloyee who does not have English as their first language.

All employees have certain criteria required of prospective candidates... some they list in the job description and some they cannot and do not.

If posting the advertisment in Polish means they receive more suitable applicants i.e. people who can read, write and speak Polish, then fair enough.

You often see advertisments for jobs for Irish teachers posted as gaeilge and if I were applying for a job as an English teacher I would expect the post to be in English. If you can't read the job description because you do not have enough of a grasp of that language, than you are not what they are looking for.

As has been said already. There are irish people who speak and read Polish... let them apply!

I actually heard those signs are not directed at us,but rather the polish who came here to work but returned back to Poland when things were becoming good!

tallaghtmick

Brenireland wrote: »

I actually heard those signs are not directed at us,but rather the polish who came here to work but returned back to Poland when things were becoming good!

oooh chinese whispers :Di heard it was because the poles who went home told everyone how badly they where paid and treated on site.

Brenireland

tallaghtmick wrote: »

oooh chinese whispers :Di heard it was because the poles who went home told everyone how badly they where paid and treated on site.

Badly paid& Badly treated?,How?,surely if they could speak English they would know their rights/European rights also.

They we're not treated badly and the majority received a nice sum for their wages well above the Medium Wage for this country,Which would be a-lot of money in Poland!

They could/can also get medical cards etc as any Irish person would so why complain,I mean the dole here is equivalent if not better than the polish medium wage!:D

Squirm

Hmm.... wage aside, I think the reaction to this thread, particularly the reaction BEFORE in was clarified that the job was advertised in Polish AND English, shows how the Polish may well have been treated on many sites. All the medical cards and minimum wages, in my opinion, do not forgive the discrimination and racism that many migrant workers experience in Ireland. I suspect that is the 'bad treatment' referred to above.

TheRevolution

I am just going to say my honest opinion.

From what I've seen personally and from what I've been told by relatives who are employers and friends who work with Polish, Polish are infinitely more productive and have a huge amount more common sense than most Irish workers. For example one of my relatives claims our education system must be a joke because he's had recent Irish honors graduates from the top courses in the top universities in the country who weren't half as productive, intelligent and innovative as some of the Polish he has working for them, many of whom have only completed secondary level education. In my experience Polish are much better workers than Irish who generally never strive for perfection and have this "sure it will be grand attitude" that I detest as an Irish man. Obviously there are exceptions to this rule but a huge amount of Irish workers are more dedicated to their social life than they are to any other area of their life. Most are content to waddle in mediocracy and only think about the coming weekend.

I'm going to quietly exit this thread now....

Forest Master

Where does the ad say "no irish need apply"? I've yet to see that bit. Well, OP?

Squirm

That's an interesting point that will probably raise a few eyebrows (!).

I feel the same about the Chinese work ethic. My Chinese associates shock me regularly with their attitudes to work, i.e. work as much an hard as you can, while you can. Very far removed from the Irish attitude USUALLY.

I think though that it is more to do with culture and upbringing than the education system. I wouldn't agree that they are necessarily more intelligent. But more prouctive... quite possibly.

As a current self builer, we are yielding better results from our non-national tradesmen. That's just my limited experience thur far however.

Squirm

Forest Master wrote: »

Where does the ad say "no irish need apply"? I've yet to see that bit. Well, OP?

I think the OP's original point was, 'does the ad essentially MEAN no irish need apply'... not that it is actually stated.

landsleaving

TheRevolution wrote: »

I am just going to say my honest opinion.

From what I've seen personally and from what I've been told by relatives who are employers and friends who work with Polish, Polish are infinitely more productive and have a huge amount more common sense than most Irish workers. For example one of my relatives claims our education system must be a joke because he's had recent Irish honors graduates from the top courses in the top universities in the country who weren't half as productive, intelligent and innovative as some of the Polish he has working for them, many of whom have only completed secondary level education. In my experience Polish are much better workers than Irish who generally never strive for perfection and have this "sure it will be grand attitude" that I detest as an Irish man. Obviously there are exceptions to this rule but a huge amount of Irish workers are more dedicated to their social life than they are to any other area of their life. Most are content to waddle in mediocracy and only think about the coming weekend.

I'm going to quietly exit this thread now....

Good on the Polish for haivng such a hardworking attitude.

But better on the irish, who appear to realise that work is only there to facilitate one's personal life. Expecting someone who has been highly educated to be as motivated to work for someone else if that perosn is willing to hire someone far less skilled is ridiculous.

walshb

Pompey Magnus wrote: »

To apply for this position please ensure you are not Irish

Edit, edit, edit, edit.....

Dangerous Man

landsleaving wrote: »

Good on the Polish for haivng such a hardworking attitude.

But better on the irish, who appear to realise that work is only there to facilitate one's personal life. Expecting someone who has been highly educated to be as motivated to work for someone else if that perosn is willing to hire someone far less skilled is ridiculous.

You're forgetting the golden rule of emigration though. The best and brightest are always the ones who emigrate. In the main it's not the slovenly lazy ones who emigrate.

TheRevolution

landsleaving wrote: »

Good on the Polish for haivng such a hardworking attitude.

But better on the irish, who appear to realise that work is only there to facilitate one's personal life. Expecting someone who has been highly educated to be as motivated to work for someone else if that perosn is willing to hire someone far less skilled is ridiculous.

Actually, those "highly educated" Irish were in higher positions at the time. However the relative in question became so impressed with the rate of targets that some of the Polish were reaching in such a short space of time that he promoted them and they subsequently completely outperformed their Irish colleagues.
This obviously may just be the experiences of my circle of friends and relatives, but the consensus I get - and I personally agree - is that the majority of Polish are much more productive than the Irish.

landsleaving

Did the Irish employess have any motivation to work harder though? I just don't get why business owners seem to assume that having a job is motivation enough.

Also, the brightest and best don't necessarily emigrate, it's the frustrated and broke. They have far more motivation. I'll wager the irish emigrants of late will be hailed as wonderfully productive.

tallaghtmick

i really dont understand where the irish people are lazy thing came from?ive only worked for 2 companies in 6 years and ive been promoted in both and praised for my work ethic/flexibility and if im being honest i hate working and would rather be doing things i like(never gonna happen unless i win the lotto:D)so maybe thats where the lazy irishman thing came from because we enjoy having a life:cool: