Leader's Debate As Gaeilge

MagicMarker

Can someone please tell me what the fúcking point is in having this debate in Irish, other than alienating 95% of the population?

I fúcking hate this poxy cúnt bag of a country.

bonerm

Ciúnas bóthar cailín bainne!

Aodan83

bonerm wrote: »

Ciúnas bóthar cailín bainne!

Tá scamall sa spéir. Is maith liom cáca milis.

NothingMan

Ná paistí liathroidí go hiontach.

Jimmy Iovine

MagicMarker wrote: »

Can someone please tell me what the fúcking point is in having this debate in Irish, other than alienating 95% of the population?

I fúcking hate this poxy cúnt bag of a country.

Just don't watch it then

neil_hosey

maybe if you learned to speak the native language of this country you wouldnt feel so alienated :rolleyes:

for fúck sake theres plenty of debates in english! WATCH THEM! and stop moanin ffs


Theres alot of people who will be interested in watching it. Im not a fluent irish speaker, but at least i try.


Awaits reply:
"but i couldnt give 2 shíts about irish, im dont want to learn it" ... well then dont fúcking watch the debate, BIG DEAL!
:mad:

foxinsox

an bfhuil cead agam dul go dti an leithris?

The leaders of Fine Gael, Labour and Fianna Fáil have begun the first ever Irish language election debate at TG4 headquarters in Galway.
The debate between Enda Kenny, Eamon Gilmore and Micheál Martin is being pre-recorded so that English subtitles can be added before it broadcast on TG4 at 7.00pm and again at 10.30pm tonight.

source:

http://insideireland.ie/2011/02/16/tg4-leaders-debate-underway-8674/

Pompey Magnus

Cá bhfuil an t-airgead?

Craebear

Well they need some material for next years leaving cert tapework.

Krusader

Beidh fotheidil ann

There'll be subtitles in it

MagicMarker

neil_hosey wrote: »

maybe if you learned to speak the native language of this country you wouldnt feel so alienated :rolleyes:

for fúck sake theres plenty of debates in english! WATCH THEM! and stop moanin ffs


Theres alot of people who will be interested in watching it. Im not a fluent irish speaker, but at least i try.


Awaits reply:
"but i couldnt give 2 shíts about irish, im dont want to learn it" ... well then dont fúcking watch the debate, BIG DEAL!
:mad:

Looks like someone needs to focus on their English. None the less, why would I want to waste my time learning the most pointless language in existence?

biko

Tiocfaidh ár Election!

bonerm

I wonder will Michael be doing his ching-chong-chinaman impressions 'as Gaeilge' tonight?

"Aw soh, Bionn na muintir na Eireann an-mhaith ag riomhaire! Ta an Guinness seo go iontach!"

(i take no responsibility for the crapiness of my Irish there)

Dravokivich

foxinsox wrote: »

an bfhuil cead agam dul go dti an leithris?

a kid once asked that, the teacher said nil... so eh... he did...

true story

Krusader

bonerm wrote: »

I wonder will Michael be doing his ching-chong-chinaman impressions 'as Gaeilge' tonight?

"Aw soh, Bionn na muintir na Eireann an-mhaith ag riomhaire! Ta an Guinness seo go iontach!"

(i take no responsibility for the crapiness of my Irish there)

not as bad as you may think

neil_hosey

MagicMarker wrote: »

Looks like someone needs to focus on their English. None the less, why would I want to waste my time learning the most pointless language in existence?

oh jesus.. having a crack at my english... sad. thats right divert the topic of your own thread :rolleyes:

I love to see people speaking irish, in fact i wish everyone was bilingual, as its something to be proud of. Dont know how many times ive posted this on boards.

No one is forcing you to learn irish, but there will forever be fúcking EEJITS who will try to bring the language down because of their inability to grasp it! pathetic really, and very annoying..

AnonoBoy

MagicMarker wrote: »

Can someone please tell me what the fúcking point is in having this debate in Irish, other than alienating 95% of the population?

Well the debate is on an Irish language station and will have English language subtitles.

I imagine that most people who watch TG4 don't feel alienated by something being in Irish. And there will be English subtitles.

So not that hard to follow at all.

Did I mention there'll be English subtitles? Cause there will be.







PS - English subtitles.

grrrrrrrrrr

It will probably be the most viewers tg4 ever ever ever had...

Krusader

MagicMarker wrote: »

Looks like someone needs to focus on their English. None the less, why would I want to waste my time learning the most pointless language in existence?

Grow up :rolleyes:

c_man

neil_hosey wrote: »

No one is forcing you to learn irish

Ehh yeah they do....


Well just for over a decade of your education.

NothingMan

Can all the leaders speak Irish? I wouldn't have thought they could. I'd be more impressed if they could speak German or Russian or any useful international language really.

Krusader

c_man wrote: »

Ehh yeah they do....


Well just for over a decade of your education.

get an exemption then

Guy:Incognito

neil_hosey wrote: »

Theres alot of people who will be interested in watching it. Im not a fluent irish speaker, but at least i try.

Is there anyone, even one who will watch it because it's in Irish? (rather than the same thing in English obviously) and if so, why? Are they going to be talking about some secret stuff non irish speakers are'nt allowed no about?

neil_hosey

c_man wrote: »

Ehh yeah they do....


Well just for over a decade of your education.

you are refering to primary and seconary education, where you are 'forced' to learn alot of things, for your benefit.

MagicMarker

neil_hosey wrote: »

oh jesus.. having a crack at my english... sad. thats right divert the topic of your own thread :rolleyes:

I love to see people speaking irish, in fact i wish everyone was bilingual, as its something to be proud of. Dont know how many times ive posted this on boards.

No one is forcing you to learn irish, but there will forever be fúcking EEJITS who will try to bring the language down because of their inability to grasp it! pathetic really, and very annoying..

I'd love if everyone used correct grammar, as reading and writing in the English language is something we should be proud of, but we don't all get what we want do we?

I'm not trying to bring the language down, I'm just questioning why the leaders of the country's political parties are holding a debate in a language that most of the country can't speak. At this point in time before a general election they should be looking to communicate their respective party's ideas and policies to as many people as possible.

Krusader

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Is there anyone, even one who will watch it because it's in Irish? (rather than the same thing in English obviously) and if so, why? Are they going to be talking about some secret stuff non irish speakers are'nt allowed no about?

It will be subtitled

Notorious97

Crosáidí wrote: »

get an exemption then

But sure then they wouldn’t have anything to moan about, nobody hates Ireland as much as the irish, shame really.

neil_hosey

MagicMarker wrote: »

I'd love if everyone used correct grammar, as reading and writing in the English language is something we should be proud of, but we don't all get what we want do we?

honestly.. you are making yourself look like a pompous arsehole. Do you correct peoples grammar and diction in real life, or are you just a keyboard warrior?

c_man

neil_hosey wrote: »

you are refering to primary and seconary education, where you are 'forced' to learn alot of things, for your benefit.

At least you acknowledge your above statement was incorrect.


Just hope the subtitles are accurate. I know they take it easy sometimes on the English translation for other TG4 shows.

Krusader

MagicMarker wrote: »

I'd love if everyone used correct grammar, as reading and writing in the English language is something we should be proud of, but we don't all get what we want do we?

I'm not trying to bring the language down, I'm just questioning why the leaders of the country's political parties are holding a debate in a language that most of the country can't speak. At this point in time before a general election they should be looking to communicate their respective party's ideas and policies to as many people as possible.

there was a debate on TV3, they were on the frontline too, i think they'll be on Sky aswell, why not TG4, what's so wrong with it, your attitude is kinda childish

neil_hosey

c_man wrote: »

At least you acknowledge your above statement was incorrect.


Just hope the subtitles are accurate. I know they take it easy sometimes on the English translation for other TG4 shows.

ive seen a good few crazy translations alright, but im sure for something like that it will be good.

Guy:Incognito

neil_hosey wrote: »

I love to see people speaking irish, in fact i wish everyone was bilingual, as its something to be proud of. Dont know how many times ive posted this on boards.

Plenty of people are billingual, they just chose a language they can make use of.

Who are we being proud too? each other? yay a bit of back slapping, or to foreigners, who lets face it, we could just make up gibberish and they wouldnt know the difference.

I'm fine with my German thanks. It's been very handy all the times I've been to Germany. (and a couple of times here too) The Irish I learnt in school? Iv'e gotten by the 12 years since leaving without having to utter a word and it's never been an issue or caused a probelm.

Notorious97

MagicMarker wrote: »

I'd love if everyone used correct grammar, as reading and writing in the English language is something we should be proud of, but we don't all get what we want do we?

I'm not trying to bring the language down, I'm just questioning why the leaders of the country's political parties are holding a debate in a language that most of the country can't speak. At this point in time before a general election they should be looking to communicate their respective party's ideas and policies to as many people as possible.

Why should we be proud to speak it? Is it a privilege? Should we be grateful for a language forced on our people along time ago?

Anyway.............They are having the debate in OUR national language, if you don’t like it, Dublin airport is that way

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MagicMarker

neil_hosey wrote: »

honestly.. you are making yourself look like a pompous arsehole. Do you correct peoples grammar and diction in real life, or are you just a keyboard warrior?

No one is forcing you to learn English, but there will always be fúcking EEJITS who will try to bring the language down because of their inability to grasp it! Pathetic really, and very annoying.

Guy:Incognito

neil_hosey wrote: »

you are refering to primary and seconary education, where you are 'forced' to learn alot of things, for your benefit.

The "benefit" of learning Irish is whats up for debate quite often here and I've yet to see a usefull one.

neil_hosey

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Plenty of peopel are billingual, they just chose a language they can make use of.

Who are we being proud too? each other? yay a bit of back slapping, or too foreigners, who lets face it, we coudl just make up gibberish and they wouldnt know the difference.

I'm fine with my German thanks. It's been very handy all the times I've been to Germany. (and a couple of times here too) The Irish I learnt in school? Iv'e gotten by the 12 years since leaving without having to utter a word and it's never been an issue or caused a probelm.

Yep i agree, same story with geography, french, accounting and english for me.

c_man

Notorious97 wrote: »

But sure then they wouldn’t have anything to moan about, nobody hates Ireland as much as the irish, shame really.

I really hate this attitude. By pointing out that Irish is compulsory, I've shown my hatred of Ireland?

Not that it matters but I watch TG4 daily. I can't speak Irish but they have some great programming.

neil_hosey

MagicMarker wrote: »

No one is forcing you to learn English, but there will always be fúcking EEJITS who will try to bring the language down because of their inability to grasp it! Pathetic really, and very annoying.

did i start a thread bitching about english?? no.

what is the point you are trying to make? Did i say I want us all to be monoglot irish speakers?

Giving up, last post, your points are random and your rebuttals are as useless as Gerry Adams'

thenutflush

MagicMarker wrote: »

I fúcking hate this poxy cúnt bag of a country.

Then please leave and live in one of the 180 plus countries which have a lower standard of living...

Guy:Incognito

neil_hosey wrote: »

Yep i agree, same story with geography, french, accounting and english for me.

You seemt to be getting use out of learning English.

The other two have most likely cropped up at some point, you might not have realised though. Either way they are more likly to have usefull informtion.

EDIT missed French :-) I never did French but I have had many more occasions where I could have used it, still none where I needed Irish though and thats with only being to Franch a few times, I've been in Ireland coming up on 30 years.

Irish can be dressed up all sorts of ways by people but the reality of it is, if it dissappeared tomorrow, it would make little or no difference other than to make signage and documents cheaper to produce.

MagicMarker

neil_hosey wrote: »

did i start a thread bitching about english?? no.

what is the point you are trying to make? Did i say I want us all to be monoglot irish speakers?

Giving up, last post, your points are random and your rebuttals are as useless as Gerry Adams'

Did I start a thread bitching about Irish? No.

Notorious97

c_man wrote: »

I really hate this attitude. By pointing out that Irish is compulsory, I've shown my hatred of Ireland?

Not that it matters but I watch TG4 daily. I can't speak Irish but they have some great programming.

Not to go off topic, but if people arent interested in learning it sure they don’t learn it, they do it in schools but im sure focusing on a class they have no interest on is not what they do! - Edit Also my comment wasnt aimed at you in particular, i was commenting in general at how alot of people are anti irish when they are in fact irish themselves!

I believe it should be in schools, just how i feel, it is our language, granted not spoken on a daily basis but none the less i cannot understand why people get mad at irish people being proud of their own language, baffles me!

Anyway back on topic, im glad there is an irish debate, there are plenty of people on this island who speak it on a daily basis, why shouldn’t their so called leaders address them in their native tongue?

Also i agree better shows than RTE for documentaries etc on TG4

Krusader

MagicMarker wrote: »

No one is forcing you to learn English, but there will always be fúcking EEJITS who will try to bring the language down because of their inability to grasp it! Pathetic really, and very annoying.

Nach tusa an pota ag aor ar an gciteal agus tú ag maslú ar an nGaeilge.

My name is URL

MagicMarker wrote: »

I'd love if everyone used correct grammar, as reading and writing in the English language is something we should be proud of, but we don't all get what we want do we?

I'm not trying to bring the language down, I'm just questioning why the leaders of the country's political parties are holding a debate in a language that most of the country can't speak. At this point in time before a general election they should be looking to communicate their respective party's ideas and policies to as many people as possible.

Yes, most of the country.. which is why there have already been 2 debates in English. You speak about alienation.. well do you not think that the minority of people who choose to speak Irish would feel alienated if the prospective leaders of the country decided that partaking in an Irish debate was pointless?

It's also on TG4, an Irish language station designed to cater for those who do speak Irish

Mark200

My name is URL wrote: »

Yes, most of the country.. which is why there have already been 2 debates in English. You speak about alienation.. well do you not think that the minority of people who choose to speak Irish would feel alienated if the prospective leaders of the country decided that partaking in an Irish debate was pointless?

It's also on TG4, an Irish language station designed to cater for those who do speak Irish

But the point is that all of those who can speak Irish can also speak English.

Dave!

Hardly "alienating" anyone -- there have been 2 English debates so far, and I think there's another one is there not?

I won't be watching the Irish debate, but I don't feel alienated as a result of it being on...

Pal

neil_hosey wrote: »

No one is forcing you to learn irish,

Except the Government who make us all do it at school.

Other than that you're right.

Krusader

Mark200 wrote: »

But the point is that all of those who can speak Irish can also speak English.

the majority of Scandanavians speak English, should they give up there languages

Mark200

Crosáidí wrote: »

the majority of Scandanavians speak English, should they give up there languages

Majority != all

Whereas all Scandinavians who can speak English would be able to speak their native language too.

And anyway my post wasn't arguing that Irish speakers should give up their language, it was pointing out that there is no practical reason to have a debate in Irish.

silverspoon

I don't really feel incredibly strongly either way about the merits of Irish as a language etc. I do know that I'd love to be able to speak it properly, but became a bit alienated from it in secondary school. Because the curriculum needs an overhaul. (Which I think everyone accepts)

But that's not the issue. Irish is our first official language, and I think it's great that the potential leaders of this country (and Micheal Martin) are using their fluency not just to say 'Ta' or Nil' (sorry about the lack of a fada), but in a real situation. No, I won't be able to understand it all, but let's face it, how many of us would be bitching if the leaders couldn't speak Irish to this level?

(I don't think that it's going on because the leaders are keen to show off their Irish, or to be fair to TG4 - it's a way of Enda 'hiding in plain view' as far as I'm concerned, because less of us will notice him sticking to the script, and repeating soundbites ad nauseum.)

Mark200

silverspoon wrote: »

(I don't think that it's going on because the leaders are keen to show off their Irish, or to be fair to TG4 - it's a way of Enda 'hiding in plain view' as far as I'm concerned, because less of us will notice him sticking to the script, and repeating soundbites ad nauseum.)

This whole Enda 'hiding' thing is ridiculous. He's doing three debates including this. How is he hiding?