FG Manifesto out

nesf

http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0215/finegaelmanifesto.pdf

Peruse at your leisure people. I'd give a synopsis except I'm still reading it myself. Still, interesting reading.

Ghost Estate

No property tax

Good stuff!

Permabear

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Reilly616

Just skimmed, but I didn't find anything about same-sex marriages or reforming of religious discrimination (except in education).

mgmt

Still reading, but I really disagree with this on page7:

Fine Gael will reduce the voting age to 17 and give eligible citizens the right to vote at Irish embassies in the Presidential election.

17 is too young.

Clanket

mgmt wrote: »

Still reading, but I really disagree with this on page7:



17 is too young.

Why? Not really much difference between a 17 and 18 year old. Most of them probably wont be arséd voting anyway.

mgmt

Clanket wrote: »

Why? Not really much difference between a 17 and 18 year old. Most of them probably wont be arséd voting anyway.

At 17, you are still in the sheltered environment of school and have not truly developed as a person.

FG Manifesto
Overseas Missions: We believe that the Triple Lock must be modified to allow Ireland participate in peacekeeping missions. The failure of the UN Security Council to pass a resolution should not prevent us from taking part in overseas missions. We believe that Irish troops should be capable of being deployed at short notice, if requested, to assist in emergency relief efforts at times of humanitarian crises.

Disagree with this also. We should not be doing overseas missions when we can't even defend ourselves e.g. relying on the UK for air cover, not being able to defend our fishing rights. Going to places like Chad to support colonial interests is not in the best interest of Ireland.

Michael Collins Medal:
To commemorate the forthcoming centenary of the creation of the Irish Volunteers, we will strike a medal named after General Michael Collins and will discuss with military authorities the nature of the award and to whom it should be given

I can see some objections from FF.:D

Air Traffic Controllers:
As an island nation, Air Traffic Controllers provide an essential service to the Irish economy. We will legislate to ensure any ATC grievances must first be taken to the Labour Relations Commission and then Labour Court before any industrial action can take place.

Good nip this one in the bud.

Overall I'm impressed, it reinforces my voting decision.

dashboard_hula

There's so much basic stuff in there that FG say they'll fix that you wonder what the hell the government has been doing for the past 4 years....

I know the bigger topics will take years to sort out, but I really, really hope that the new government will take a checklist approach to some of the smaller or less budget-dependent issues and just get.it.done.
I don't want to hear at the next GE about the bloody passport structure still needing to be sorted, or FAS still having their performance meetings @ 5 star resorts.

And it turns out that I've swung much further right in the last 12 years than I thought I would. My Granda's going to have kittens when he hears I'm voting FG.

Clanket

mgmt wrote: »

At 17, you are still in the sheltered environment of school and have not truly developed as a person

Theres many an 18 year old still in school. And you don't magically grow up as soon as you leave school or turn 18.

Riskymove

mgmt wrote: »

Still reading, but I really disagree with this on page7:



17 is too young.

you can have sex, children, get married etc

I think its reasonable you can vote for your future prospects

mgmt

Clanket wrote: »

Theres many an 18 year old still in school. And you don't magically grow up as soon as you leave school or turn 18.

Not that many. Imagine the Gombeen politics when every school demands their students to vote for new gyms etc.

nesf

Something interesting:

Capping Tax Relief on Big Pensions: The net objective of our changes will be to cap taxpayer contributions to existing public and private sector schemes that deliver pensions of greater than €60,000 in retirement, while maintaining adequate incentives for younger, middle incomes families to continue to save for their retirement. There will, per usual, be transition arrangements for those approaching retirement.

This is very good I think. It protects your average middle class highish earner and will only really effect very high earners. 60K a year retirement income is a very good bar at present I think for a cap on State support.

snubbleste

5.3 Fine Gael will reverse the ban on stag hunting.

Amtmann

snubbleste wrote: »

5.3 Fine Gael will reverse the ban on stag hunting.

Well spotted. Ridiculous. There are quite a few nuggets in there for rural Ireland, very few of which I'm keen on.

WeeBushy

Quick scan through with my intial reactions...

Rural Activities: Fine Gael will reverse the ban on stag hunting.

:mad:

Mediation: Fine Gael will take the steps necessary to encourage and facilitate the use of mediation to resolve commercial, civil and family disputes in order to speed up the resolution of such disputes, reducelegal costs and ameliorate the stress of being involved in contested court proceedings.

Free to Air: We will maintain the current regime with regard to the Heineken Cup.

Climate Change Legislation: Fine Gael will legislate for a climate change law that sets the Kyoto andEU2020 targets in national legislation but only on the basis of all party agreement.

:mad:

Supporting Marriage: Fine Gael recognises the value of the family based on the institution of marriage.

:mad: (depending on their definition of marraige, can't figure out if they are referring to the RC idea of marriage, or the union of two individuals)

Supporting Irish Pubs: Fine Gael recognises the importance of the Irish pub for tourism, rural jobs and as a social outlet in communities across the country. We will support the local pub by banning the practice of below cost selling on alcohol, particularly by large supermarkets and the impact this has had on alcohol consumption and the viability of pubs.

:mad:

passive

Ugh... Lots of those things bother me. But I agree with their economic policy and I think that's more important right now than social policy so... resentful voting!

bijapos

snubbleste wrote: »

5.3 Fine Gael will reverse the ban on stag hunting.

I wonder what Alan Shatter has to say about this. He is a former president of the Irish Council against Blood Sports.

PeterIanStaker

I would have liked to have seen Civil Partnership/Same sex unions in the manifesto.

nesf

WeeBushy wrote: »

:mad: (depending on their definition of marraige, can't figure out if they are referring to the RC idea of marriage, or the union of two individuals)

I think it's a sop thrown to their more conservative wing at most. There's no word about actually legislating on the issue.

andrewire

Permabear wrote: »

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Low taxes?! That's such a joke. FG will undoubtedly increase taxes in the coming years if in power. The level of our debt is so astronomical that they will have to do it so saying the contrary is, quiet frankly, misleading the people.

andrewire

PeterIanStaker wrote: »

I would have liked to have seen Civil Partnership/Same sex unions in the manifesto.

FG is against same-sex unions. I have been told this by two FG TDs: Lucinda Creighton and Leo Varadkar. They will do nothing for the gays.

ei.sdraob

Adopt a Road Scheme: We will study an ‘Adopt a Road’ scheme that would allow private companies to
advertise on national routes in return for contractual agreements to keep sponsored roads litter free and in
good condition. The result will be better kept national roads and savings for the local authorities.

Interesting idea

dashboard_hula

C'mere can someone confirm something for me (armchair debate going on next door). If FG gain a majority of TD's (how many do they need for that?) in the Dail, then basically they are guaranteed passage of any measures introduced, without requiring a coalition with Labour or the support of independents? I know this might be obvious to most of ye, but bear with me.

Does the Constitution have anything to say about non-elected politicians being made a Minister, or is there any amendment required?

Finally, and this might have to go in another thread, but I'll throw it out anyway - FG have traditionally been slightly conservative in social matters, but it's not as rabid an issue to them as it would be to say conservatives in the US, so if massive public support was there for something that 20 years ago they would have balked at, they'd go with the flow? I remember they either supported or didn't object to divorce being legalised, and they support civil unions while not being wild about full gay marriage?

limklad

I am very much against their Defence policy. That a red line with me.

I will not be voting for Fine Gael now. We cannot afford EU defence upgrade equipment.
We can barely afford peace keeping missions and pay for the Banks. Also our young are leaving our shores and we grieving with them leaving to work elsewhere.
Seeing British families suffering with their young coming home from both Iraq and Afghanistan serious injured, emotionally and psychological damaged or worst still dead for the family to buried have firmed up my opinion. I do not see the difference between NATO and EU Defence as the EU defence is to complement NATO as many of the joint EU/NATO members says.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Security_and_Defence_Policy
http://www.finegael.org/upload/file/fgneutrality.pdf
http://www.independent.ie/national-news/fg-urges-end-to-neutrality-despite-lisbon-vote-1586282.html

Greens or Independents more likely get my vote now.

limklad

limklad wrote: »

I am very much against their Defence policy. That a red line with me.

I will not be voting for Fine Gael now. We cannot afford EU defence upgrade equipment.
We can barely afford peace keeping missions and pay for the Banks. Also our young are leaving our shores and we grieving with them leaving to work elsewhere.
Seeing British families suffering with their young coming home from both Iraq and Afghanistan serious injured, emotionally and psychological damaged or worst still dead for the family to buried have firmed up my opinion. I do not see the difference between NATO and EU Defence as the EU defence is to complement NATO as many of the joint EU/NATO members says.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Security_and_Defence_Policy
http://www.finegael.org/upload/file/fgneutrality.pdf
http://www.independent.ie/national-news/fg-urges-end-to-neutrality-despite-lisbon-vote-1586282.html

Greens or Independents more likely get my vote now.

Neutrality is a sham, just look at what the UN did for Yugoslavia compared with NATO. Sarajevo was under seige for 4 years with genocide of tens of thousands of people. The UN watched for years, when NATO intervened it ended with a peace treaty in 3 weeks

Lawrence1895

andrewire wrote: »

FG is against same-sex unions. I have been told this by two FG TDs: Lucinda Creighton and Leo Varadkar. They will do nothing for the gays.

Of course, they won't :mad:

And what's next? A law against multinational marriages?

mgmt

WeeBushy wrote: »

Quick scan through with my intial reactions...

Climate Change Legislation: Fine Gael will legislate for a climate change law that sets the Kyoto andEU2020 targets in national legislation but only on the basis of all party agreement.

:mad:

Restricting our economy based on 'climate change' will be a top job killer. Hopefully this is one measure that FG will not implement.

The Volt

No chance of even a transfer from me now. They don't give a flying fúck about social policy. Says a lot for the type of society they want to foster.

RandolphEsq

mgmt wrote: »

Restricting our economy based on 'climate change' will be a top job killer. Hopefully this is one measure that FG will not implement.

But we do not want another ice age surely?

Chucky the tree

Most of it is pretty solid, nothing that would be enough to put me off voting for them.

Reilly616

andrewire wrote: »

FG is against same-sex unions. I have been told this by two FG TDs: Lucinda Creighton and Leo Varadkar. They will do nothing for the gays.

If this is true, then it loses them my transfer.

limklad

Deleted User wrote: »

Neutrality is a sham, just look at what the UN did for Yugoslavia compared with NATO. Sarajevo was under seige for 4 years with genocide of tens of thousands of people. The UN watched for years, when NATO intervened it ended with a peace treaty in 3 weeks

Yugoslavia was a civil war, not a war between countries. Been a member of NATO will not end genocide. We are far too small a country to get involved with military force.

With Neutrality we can decide where our forces go and not bound by defence treaties or obligations. We see every day NATO members been seriously injuries or losing soldier lives in Afghanistan when Bush and Blair decide to start another war causing more higher causalities than necessary. Been a member of NATO has far more negatives and positives.
UN resolutions was veto by UN Members, especially permanent members with opposing views.

The Following has veto on UN missions and decisions making.
China — Permanent Member
France — Permanent Member
Russian Federation* — Permanent Member
United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland — Permanent Member
United States of America — Permanent Member

We Trade with many of these members who are in opposing views.

Here your NATO statics on their recent war, I hope Ireland will never be part of in the future.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Afghanistan_%282001%E2%80%93present%29
Civilians Casualties
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualties_of_the_War_in_Afghanistan_%282001%E2%80%93present%29#Major_casualties_and_accidental_strikes_by_coalition_forces

wikipedia wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Afghanistan_%282001%E2%80%93present%29
Casualties and losses Afghan Security Forces:
7,500+ killed [14]
[15]
[16]
Afghan Northern Alliance:
200 Killed[17][18][19][20]
Coalition:
Killed: 2,243 (US: 1,399, UK: 351, Canada: 154, Others: 339)[21]
Wounded: 12,523+ (US: 9,771,[22] UK: 4,091,[23][24] Canada: 1200+,[25] Australia: 162,[26] Romania: 44,[27] Estonia: 43[28])
Contractors:
Killed: 1,764*[29][30]
Wounded & injured: 59,465*[29][30]
Taliban and Insurgents
Killed or captured: 38,000+
Wounded: unknown
Civilian deaths: 14,000-34,000 approx. *Casualty numbers from the US Dept. of Labor for Contractors are combined for Iraq and Afghanistan.

No to Fine Gael.

Chucky the tree

FG are for same sex unions but against same sex marraige.

mossyc123

Whats with the obsession with legislating for same-sex marriage?

The country is facing a woeful economic crises and all you guys can go on about is a fairly minor social issue.

Talk about self-absorbed.

Same type of people who'd throw out the "gombeenism" cliche when rural TD's get in based purely on local issues :rolleyes:

Ghost Estate

mossyc123 wrote: »

Whats with the obsession with legislating for same-sex marriage?

The country is facing a woeful economic crises and all you guys can go on a fairly minor social issue.

Talk about self-absorbed.

Same type of people who'd throw out the "gombeenism" cliche when rural TD's get in based purely on local issues :rolleyes:

Presumably because boards.ie in general is filled with fairly vocal Atheists who'd love nothing more than to give the church a dig. That and the great Irish inferiority complex that we seem to take anything that's new onboard without question lest we be seen as 'backwards' to outsiders.

mgmt

limklad wrote: »

With Neutrality we can decide where our forces go and not bound by defence treaties or obligations. We see every day NATO members been seriously injuries or losing soldier lives in Afghanistan when Bush and Blair decide to start another war causing more higher causalities than necessary. Been a member of NATO has far more negatives and positives.



Here your NATO statics on their recent war, I hope Ireland will never be part of in the future.

Unfortunately we have soldiers in Afghanistan atm:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISAF_troop_number_statistics
http://www.nato.int/isaf/docu/epub/pdf/placemat.html

IMO we should never get involved in any UN botchjob missions.

Reilly616

mossyc123 wrote: »

Whats with the obsession with legislating for same-sex marriage?

The country is facing a woeful economic crises and all you guys can go on about is a fairly minor social issue.

Talk about self-absorbed.

Equality isn't a "minor social issue". Some of us just don't get swept up by the issue of the moment and focus only on that. I'm not sure how you could class it as self-absorbed either, unless you're assuming we're all gay...

The Volt

Can anyone explain what they mean by 'regulating embryo research'?

Reilly616

Voltwad wrote: »

Can anyone explain what they mean by 'regulating embryo research'?

There is currently no legislation on things such as the storage of human embryos, IVF etc. A recent case that went to the Supreme Court, and narrowed the Constitutional definition of the "unborn", highlighted this fact.

Edit: I forget off hand the name of the case, but if you search "the frozen embryo case" you will find it.

later12

WeeBushy wrote: »

:mad: (depending on their definition of marraige, can't figure out if they are referring to the RC idea of marriage, or the union of two individuals)

Isn't civil partnership already law in Ireland? And aren't the first civil ceremonies due to take place soon?

later12

Chucky the tree wrote: »

FG are for same sex unions but against same sex marraige.

What's the difference?

mossyc123

Reilly616 wrote: »

Equality isn't a "minor social issue". Some of us just don't get swept up by the issue of the moment and focus only on that. I'm not sure how you could class it as self-absorbed either, unless you're assuming we're all gay...

"The issue of the moment".

That's how you have chosen to phrase the greatest crisis this country has faced since the Civil War?!

I know money isn't everything and all but come on its pretty fcukin serious!!!

We should be voting for who we believe is best placed to get the thing sorted in some sort of an efficient manner.

All other considerations should be put aside for the time being IMO.

p1akuw47h5r3it

But where this is not possible, Irish bankruptcy laws must be updated. They currently are unpractical,
unused, excessively costly and overly penal. A Fine Gael Government will fast-track the reforms needed to
bring us into line with best international standards, focusing on the following elements:
• Reducing the time to discharge from bankruptcy from six years to one for “honest bankrupts”, defined
as one that has materially complied with the Tax, NAMA and Companies Acts among others;
• A Non-Judicial Debt Settlement System that will change bankruptcy from a judicial to an administrative
process, with filings being made with a new Debt Settlement Office within the Courts Service without the
need for legal representation;
• New Commercial Voluntary Arrangements (CVAs), which are legally binding arrangements between
the directors of a company and their creditors (at least 75%) that would protect the debtor from interest
charges and the threat of enforcement during the period of the life of the CVA;
• A Limited Residence and Personal Assets Safe Harbour that will permit a bankrupt to ring fence from
the bankruptcy process ownership of a principal private residence (within limits based on size, value and
family numbers) and specified personal assets not to exceed €40,000 in value; and
• A Prohibition against Discrimination against Discharged Bankrupts to ensure that former bankrupts
are treated fairly in their applications for credit or other services.

This is good and badly needed espeacially the Honest Bankruptcy part.

Kick-Starting the Property Market: Getting the property market functioning properly again is a condition
of strong economic recovery. This will require NAMA to dispose of property assets secured from developers
in default of their loans into the private sector as quickly as possible. We are open to considering new types
of investment vehicles – such as U.S. style Real Estate Investment Trusts – that can help create a new, liquid
investment market in commercial property for Irish pension funds and smaller investors.

I don't understand why we need to kick start the Property market. Why are we not better off to just let it take it's course without interference, what are the benefits of "Kick-starting" the property market?

Child Benefit: Fine Gael will implement a rebalanced and integrated “Child Income Support” with both
universal and targeted components to make the system of child support better targeted at child poverty.

I feel Child benefit should be scrapped altogether

Regulation of Embryo Research: We will legislate to regulate human embryo research

Good

Supporting Irish Pubs: Fine Gael recognises the importance of the Irish pub for tourism, rural jobs and as
a social outlet in communities across the country. We will support the local pub by banning the practice
of below cost selling on alcohol, particularly by large supermarkets and the impact this has had on alcohol
consumption and the viability of pubs.

I cant understand this at all. I feel it is a ridiculous thing to do. If pubs want more customers they should lower their prices. I don't feel goverment intervention is the best way forward at all.

Financial Crimes: Fine Gael will ensure that rogue bankers and all those that misappropriate or embezzle
funds are properly pursued for their crimes and that the full rigours of the law will apply to them. We will
give the courts the powers necessary to impose appropriate fines and jail sentences

This sounds great. Hopefully they actually deliver on this promise.

Sentencing Reform: We will overhaul current sentencing practices to ensure violent criminals serve their
full term in prison. We will end the cost to the taxpayer of short term sentences, which lead to high rates
of re-offending, and use more cost effective and community based methods of punishing offending. We
will end the practice of imprisoning people who cannot pay their fines and debts and introduce a system
which takes a small amount of money from a persons’ wages or social welfare by an “attachment order” to
pay off the fine or debt over time

Again a good proposal

I agree with all the defence proposals.

I agree with most of the education part of the document, bar the extra points for maths and some science courses "where skills shortages currently exist". Allocating 50% of the mark to the irish oral is a great idea imo.

Second Chance Education (17,000 places): This will offer former retail and construction workers that
did not finish school or to college ‘back to education’ placements for two years. Participants will receive a
premium payment of €20 per week on top of their social welfare payment, a €500 payment towards books
etc and a €3,000 completion bonus.

I feel this will be too costly and is completely unfair. An awful idea imo.

Graduate Contribution: Fine Gael will develop a fairer funding system for third level to ensure every
student has access to a high quality education. This will involve a graduate contribution from students
of roughly a third of the cost of their course. The contribution will be made by new entrants to publiclyfunded third level institutions after the student graduates, enters employment and reaches a defined
income threshold.

If by this they mean a graduate tax, then good. it's not ideal but is a step in the right direction imo.

The Faircare plan sounds great, though I don't know how viable it is. Hopefully they definitely do this anyway:

Manpower Crisis: Fine Gael will initiate a long-term manpower strategy to tackle the chronic front line
staff shortages we face in specialities such as general practice, mental health, physiotherapy, occupational
therapy and speech and language therapy to mention but a few.

Rare Diseases: In Government, Fine Gael is committed to developing a national plan for rare diseases by 2013

Hopefully i can end up working here, it's an area I would like to get involved in. Hope this happens

Overall i am pretty pleased. Fine Gael will more then likely be getting my vote anyway.

WhosUpDocs

Chucky the tree wrote: »

FG are for same sex unions but against same sex marraige.

I'm torn now. I'm generally for the vast majority of FG policy and would probably flee the country if Joan Burton became our finance minister. It's annoying to have to chose between good social policy vs. good economic policy.

Does anyone know if they would actively oppose it if suggested by an opposition party or could they let it slide through to referendum without putting up much fuss a la divorce legislation?

Reilly616

later10 wrote: »

Isn't civil partnership already law in Ireland? And aren't the first civil ceremonies due to take place soon?

later10 wrote: »

What's the difference?

Ireland does have civil partnerships for opposite-sex couples only. They have been legal since January 1st, but none have taken place yet, since there are just practical things that have to be set up first. As such, the only people in civil partnerships at the moment are ones who had a civil union or marriage before they came here.

There are too many differences between civil partnership and marriage to mention, but to put it simply; civil partnership is like marriage, but with about half of the marriage associated rights stripped away from it.

WhosUpDocs

later10 wrote: »

What's the difference?

Most importantly IMO civil partnership doesn't recognize the right to parentage of both parents. That needs to change.

p1akuw47h5r3it

WhosUpDocs wrote: »

I'm torn now. I'm generally for the vast majority of FG policy and would probably flee the country if Joan Burton became our finance minister. It's annoying to have to chose between good social policy vs. good economic policy.

Does anyone know if they would actively oppose it if suggested by an opposition party or could they let it slide through to referendum without putting up much fuss a la divorce legislation?

ye I feel the same way.Though I am generally happy with most of their proposals.

I think in the current situation though good economic policy has to win over. Sure whats the point in giving full rights to gays and lesbians if they have all emigrated :P

Reilly616

mossyc123 wrote: »

"The issue of the moment".

That's how you have chosen to phrase the greatest crisis this country has faced since the Civil War?!

I know money isn't everything and all but come on its pretty fcukin serious!!!

We should be voting for who we believe is best placed to get the thing sorted in some sort of an efficient manner.

All other considerations should be put aside for the time being IMO.

Therein lies the difference. While acknowledging the importance of the current crisis, I do not believe that all other issues should be put aside.

I did not mean to belittle the crisis by my turn of phrase, but rather I meant to emphasise that elections should not (even in such a crisis) be run on one issue. I do not think that we should completely forget about other important issues, just because there is a bigger one.

Further, I am not an economist. I do not think that I am in a position to judge each party's economic plan and know which will be the best for the country. I can try, but I know that I'm not knowledgeable enough in that area. What I know (at least to some extent) is law, so I tend to focus more on that than others might. I'm not suggesting that's the best way to do it, I'm just saying that that is how I will be deciding how to exercise my democratic right.

WhosUpDocs

DanDan6592 wrote: »

I think in the current situation though good economic policy has to win over. Sure whats the point in giving full rights to gays and lesbians if they have all emigrated :P

Very true. It's heading that way if we don't do something soon! :mad:

On a separate note:
Second Chance Education (17,000 places): This will offer former retail and construction workers that
did not finish school or to college ‘back to education’ placements for two years. Participants will receive a
premium payment of €20 per week on top of their social welfare payment, a €500 payment towards books
etc and a €3,000 completion bonus.

With some napkin maths that's costing us somewhere in the region of 94.8 million euro extra on top of the 350 million euro 17,000 people on social welfare already cost us. Think this may need to be rethought

p1akuw47h5r3it

WhosUpDocs wrote: »

Very true. It's heading that way if we don't do something soon! :mad:

On a separate note:
Second Chance Education (17,000 places): This will offer former retail and construction workers that
did not finish school or to college ‘back to education’ placements for two years. Participants will receive a
premium payment of €20 per week on top of their social welfare payment, a €500 payment towards books
etc and a €3,000 completion bonus.

With some napkin maths that's costing us somewhere in the region of 94.8 million euro extra on top of the 350 million euro 17,000 people on social welfare already cost us. Think this may need to be rethought

Ye I don't understand that at all. I also don't see why they should get an extra 20 euro to attend plus money for finishing, I wouldnt particular mind if these people simply got there social welfare, I feel that would be fair.
The second chance should be an incentive enough though.

WhosUpDocs

DanDan6592 wrote: »

Ye I don't understand that at all. I also don't see why they should get an extra 20 euro to attend plus money for finishing, I wouldnt particular mind if these people simply got there social welfare, I feel that would be fair.
The second chance should be an incentive enough though.

Couldn't agree more. I'm 100% for free education. It's one of the last actual strengths of this country. But paying people to attend seems counter intuitive. I know if I wasn't a full time student and unemployed I'd jump at the chance to get back.

It's not like they let me draw social welfare while in college. Double standards need to be addressed