Decent scope!

pugw

Hi I currently have a cheapy bushnell dusk-dawn 6-18X50 on my .220 swift, it's ok on 150ish yard shots but clarity is poor on anything past that. Normally leave it on 12X as full power is very blurry! Thinking of upgrading Maybe to an illuminated rectile / mildot scope. Anyone have any recommendations? It would be used almost soley for lamping foxes! Budget would be €300 but would be able to have a friend get it in the states for me! Thanks

Tackleberrywho

pugw wrote: »

Hi I currently have a cheapy bushnell dusk-dawn 6-18X50 on my .220 swift, it's ok on 150ish yard shots but clarity is poor on anything past that. Normally leave it on 12X as full power is very blurry! Thinking of upgrading Maybe to an illuminated rectile / mildot scope. Anyone have any recommendations? It would be used almost soley for lamping foxes! Budget would be €300 but would be able to have a friend get it in the states for me! Thanks

Most scopes will be fuzzy on high power at night.

I never go above 10 or 12x at night

The only thing giving you more clarity is maybe a 56 mm lens

steyrman2

i think fixed power at night time is better im using 10x42 and find it perfect even for longer range your not choping and changing things i have a buddy using a 10x42 nikko sterling on his swift and has got some long range shots and clean kills in daylight on rabbits over 400 yards with mildots

pugw

Thanks Steyr man! Ya fixed would be fine as the scope is permanently at 12 anyway, are they prety clear at night?? 400 yard rabbbits is good going, unfortunately they are very scarce around here so we try longshots on crowes!

Glensman

I was thinking that Bushnell 10x42 would be a good scope for lamping, but I've been waiting for someone else to test it out and let me know how it is!

clivej

Glensman wrote: »

I was thinking that Bushnell 10x42 would be a good scope for lamping, but I've been waiting for someone else to test it out and let me know how it is!

I have the Bushnell 10x40 on my 22lr and find it does a good job. The x10 is a good fixed scope.

Glensman

clivej wrote: »

I have the Bushnell 10x40 on my 22lr and find it does a good job. The x10 is a good fixed scope.

It looks good alright. I might ditch my Simmons WTC and try one over the summer...

pugw

Woult this be a step up from what I have http://cgi.ebay.com/Nikko-Stirling-Nighteater-4-16x44-Plex-rifle-scope-NEW-/130479751758?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1e6133024e ?

Glensman

not enough to be worth your while...
I would Check scopes such as Burris or a second hand Leupold. My VX-III was a bit above your price range, but you should get a VX-II for around that.

pugw

Thanks for the help Glensman having a look through ebay at the moment!

ormondprop

sign up to www.airgunbbs.com, its an english shooting forum, they have a great scopes for sale section, but you'd want to be checkin it a few times a day as scopes sell quick on it, also www.guntrader.co.uk, dont rush into anything, keep an eye out for a few weeks and you'll find a bargain, and the longer you wait and keep searching the more money you'll have saved so you can up your budget, also dont think that you'll save a fortune buying online, ring around to a few good dealers as you'd be suprised what you could pick up if you walk into a place with a bundle of cash, stakelums hardware in thurles and paul o halloran in drangan often have a few nice secondhand scopes

Vizzy

pugw,

Check out opticsplanet.com

Huge selection of scopes (spend as much or as little as you like)

Best of luck

Glensman

More than you wanted to spend but a real good scope!

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Leupold-3-5-10x50-VX-III-Boone-Crockett-Reticle-/170601456052?pt=UK_SportingGoods_Hunting_ShootingSports_ET&hash=item27b8a3a1b4

Thats the only scope I can find on the bay with the kind of zoom your looking for. It's maybe not as much zoom as you wanted? I have the same scope only it's 6.5-20x40...

Good site for ex-demo scopes:
http://www.samplelist.com/

Vizzy

or check out the "shooting for sale/wanted" forum

pugw

Does the difference in the size of the objective lens have much of an impact? ie 40 v 50.?

ormondprop

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NIKON-MONARCH-2-5-10-X-50-ASNEW-100-MINT-CONDITION-/260737101243?pt=UK_SportingGoods_Hunting_ShootingSports_ET&hash=item3cb5246dbb
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/SCHMIDT-BENDER-6-X-42-GERMAN-RIFLE-SCOPE-/130486444407?pt=UK_SportingGoods_Hunting_ShootingSports_ET&hash=item1e61992177
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/LEUPOLD-Ultralight-VX-II-3-9x33-AO-EFR-Scope-/230585651458?pt=UK_SportingGoods_Hunting_ShootingSports_ET&hash=item35aff9d102

ormondprop

pugw wrote: »

Does the difference in the size of the objective lens have much of an impact? ie 40 v 50.?

on the plus side it gives more field of view and lets more light in so you have a brighter image

on the negative side it requires higher mounts so scope will be further from barrel which might be uncomfortable and need an adjustable cheek piece or stock riser to get a good cheek weld with the stock

if the scope is going to be used at evening and night times a bigger objective is better as long as the glass is good, for example a schmidt and bender or zeiss 42mm lense will be better than a leapers 50 mm lense

pugw

The nikko looks decent!!! would probably need a bit more than 6x id say! :eek:

Glensman

pugw wrote: »

Does the difference in the size of the objective lens have much of an impact? ie 40 v 50.?

I like a 40 or 42 because I can mount the scope lower. A 50mm is meant to be better in the dark, but really it comes down to the quality of the glass.

and then there's something to do with exit pupil being 7mm. So you get 6x42 and 8x56 because that is the ideal ratio for your eye...

ormondprop

thats a nikon monarch not a nikko, same crowd that make cameras so have good jap glass, never used one but i hear they are a good scope and it has a nice bdc reticle,
you'd be suprised how good a 6x42 schmidt scope is aswell, when you have top class glass you dont need as much mag as you can clearly make out the target, good simple scope that will allow you to take quick shots without messing about with parrallax or magnification

Glensman

ormondprop wrote: »

thats a nikon monarch not a nikko, same crowd that make cameras so have good jap glass, never used one but i hear they are a good scope and it has a nice bdc reticle,
you'd be suprised how good a 6x42 schmidt scope is aswell, when you have top class glass you dont need as much mag as you can clearly make out the target, good simple scope that will allow you to take quick shots without messing about with parrallax or magnification

I have two 6x42 Schmidts, you wouldnt just be surprised- you wouldn't believe how good they are!

ormondprop

Glensman wrote: »

I have two 6x42 Schmidts, you wouldnt just be surprised- you wouldn't believe how good they are!

i have a schmidt myself, definately one of the best optics you can get, along with zeiss and swarovski, although they are heavy, but but for good reason as they are built like tanks,i think it was "it wasnt me" who put a nice scratch in his one, i'd hate to have seen what would have happened if it was a cheaper quality scope

pugw

Sorry getting muddled! Yeah I was thinking that comparing 12x in what im used to and 8x in a good scope wouldnt be comparing like with like! Spotted an illuminated mildot hawlk to have a look at http://www.hawkeoptics.com/global/riflescopes/niteeye/index.php

Think i'll try and have a look through a few high end scopes nd keep an eye for a second hand 1!

ormondprop

i had a hawke nite eye 6.5-20x50, biggest pile of muck i ever had, never kept its zero and i only had it on my hornet, although somebody else here on the site has 1 and finds it good so maybe i got a dud one, but i read some very bad reviews of them on other sites aswell, very dull scope especially at the higher magnification range and was very fussy to focus, i needed the illuminated reticle on it because the glass was so poor, i had so much grief with that scope i saved up for ages to buy something better and eventually came across the schmidt i have now, i spend a small fortune on it but i havent looked back, great scope, its a 4-16x50, superb glass on it, i'd definately look out for a secondhand quality scope compared to a new one for the same money

Glensman

Bingo:
(if you get him to post)

http://www.airgunbbs.com/showthread.php?517164-Bushnell-4200-elite-4-16-x50

pugw

nice hornet! Serious looking scope. Ha ya will prob save up during the summer and get sumting right! If I could go about getting something second hand in the states i'd be away with it! Thanks for advice will stay away from hawke, have 1 low end 1 on my .22 and its a kart of sh**t was going to give dem another go but will avoid it now!

ormondprop

pugw wrote: »

Think i'll try and have a look through a few high end scopes nd keep an eye for a second hand 1!

dont look through ones that are too expensive as you might fall in love and wont be happy till you have one:D
thats what happened me, i looked through a zeiss 6-24x56 and realised how crap the hawke scope i had was, although i am very happy with the schmidt and it will do me until i win the lotto, then i'll buy a zeizz or schmidt PM2:D

It wasn't me!

ormondprop wrote: »

i have a schmidt myself, definately one of the best optics you can get, along with zeiss and swarovski, although they are heavy, but but for good reason as they are built like tanks,i think it was "it wasnt me" who put a nice scratch in his one, i'd hate to have seen what would have happened if it was a cheaper quality scope

Yes indeed. I must say, it was an emotional moment when I saw that, but that durability is what you pay big money for. Were it not one of the big three or four, I suspect I'd have been in the market for a replacement and using my old scope as a paperweight.

pugw

Glensman wrote: »

Bingo:
(if you get him to post)

http://www.airgunbbs.com/showthread.php?517164-Bushnell-4200-elite-4-16-x50

Cant access the link? how much is he looking for??

Glensman

pugw wrote: »

Cant access the link? how much is he looking for??

Forgot you have to be a member. Pain in the ass.

Bushnell 4200 elite 4-16 x50

BUSNELL ELITE 4200 4-16X50 front pa multi -x recticle(30/30) firefly ,rain guard lense protection ,titanium alloy and allumnium tube, complete with instuction manual ,product registation card ,excellent condition no crimps scratches ,only mark is on one of the turret caps just being honest a black felt tip pen would cover this ,cracking day/lamping scope mounted on hmr ,would prefer f to f on this sale so you can see what you are buying pictures by email at the moment mrs w struggling with her new camera price £240

ormondprop

save up and get any of the top makes second hand if you can afford them,
Zeiss, Schmidt & Bender, Swarovski, nightforce, docter, meopta, leica, kahles
or high end leupolds (like vx 11, vx iii, vx 3), bushnell elites, nikon monarchs or burris fullfield or diamond models

Tackleberrywho

Best scope I ever owned for night work was a Nikon 2.5-10x56
I got it second hand for a reasonable price.

With out a lamp you could make out animal shapes in almost pitch darkness at 2.5x


However it was limited during the day on 10x. I woould not shoot a deer over 200 yards with it

I used to also use it lamping foxes.

I shot more foxes with that rig than any other.

Heres a pic of scope and rifle

Sako 75 6.5x55se November 1st 2005 or 2006, not sure

http://www.opticsbestbuy.com/NIKON-Rifle-Scope-Monarch-Gold-2.5-10x56-SF-Nikolex-Reticle-6622.html

Second handmakes a great buy!

pugw

Thanks a million lads, i'll start keeping an eye out on the net now for one of the makes ye recommended. Better start saving :rolleyes::eek:

pheasant tail

Im still waiting on my license for the rifle to come back but the scope i think im getting is called Wild Cat,,hoope thats okay???

zeissman

ormondprop wrote: »

save up and get any of the top makes second hand if you can afford them,
Zeiss, Schmidt & Bender, Swarovski, nightforce, docter, meopta, leica, kahles
or high end leupolds (like vx 11, vx iii, vx 3), bushnell elites, nikon monarchs or burris fullfield or diamond models

Get one of the above mentioned brands and you should be ok.
I was talking to a mate recently and he told me another friend of his has now gone through 6 scopes and he is not shooting very long.
He keeps buying cheap chinese scopes on the internet.
He is probably out the price of a zeiss by now and he still has no scope.