AEOS 2011 - INFORMATION

patjack

Hi All,

Starting this thread primarily for those interested in the 2011 AEOS scheme.

I have two questions to start.

1)I have heard that prior Reps participants will be favoured for entry to the scheme, is this true?

2)Will land which has been SAC designated or Hen Harrier designated also be favoured?

moy83

patjack wrote: »

Hi All,

Starting this thread primarily for those interested in the 2011 AEOS scheme.

I have two questions to start.

1)I have heard that prior Reps participants will be favoured for entry to the scheme, is this true?

2)Will land which has been SAC designated or Hen Harrier designated also be favoured?

dont know about previous reps paticipants but i have been told that SAC will be favoured and wild bird areas will b even more favoured . anyone have any ideas when the scheme will open ?

patjack

moy83 wrote: »

dont know about previous reps paticipants but i have been told that SAC will be favoured and wild bird areas will b even more favoured . anyone have any ideas when the scheme will open ?

Hi Moy, I am lead to believe it will be open for application very soon, reading the journal last Thursday it stated that the scheme for 2011 is expected to be finalised this month and opened for applications this month also. Hopefully this is the case. I have also noted some private agri-consultants actively seeking farmers interested in applying to go through them, they obviously have some info on from meetings in recent weeks with the dept.

moy83

yeah a private lad told me he would definitely get me in the scheme but didnt know when it was opening .I was never in reps but i wont say no to the extra money it will bring in this year so fingers crossed ill get in

patjack

moy83 wrote: »

yeah a private lad told me he would definitely get me in the scheme but didnt know when it was opening .I was never in reps but i wont say no to the extra money it will bring in this year so fingers crossed ill get in

Missed out on the Hen Harrier Scheme ast year as scheme had closed by time I had finished Reps, pity because payment rate was €350/ha. Considering all my land has been designated, I am disappointed not to have got in. Hopefully like yourself I'll get into the AEOS, badly need something to replace the Reps income

moy83

patjack wrote: »

Missed out on the Hen Harrier Scheme ast year as scheme had closed by time I had finished Reps, pity because payment rate was €350/ha. Considering all my land has been designated, I am disappointed not to have got in. Hopefully like yourself I'll get into the AEOS, badly need something to replace the Reps income

Flipping hell where abouts in the country are those hen harriers I could do with them in my place:D . I have a few acres of SAC but not in the same block of land can you apply in a few different places do you know ?

LostCovey

moy83 wrote: »

Flipping hell where abouts in the country are those hen harriers I could do with them in my place:D . I have a few acres of SAC but not in the same block of land can you apply in a few different places do you know ?

Well I'd say there is a certain Kerryman pretty sick to hear of €350/ha AEOS payments for Hen Harrier habitat......

https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0305&L=IBN-L&F=P&P=4058

LostCovey

The_Conductor

LostCovey wrote: »

Well I'd say there is a certain Kerryman pretty sick to hear of €350/ha AEOS payments for Hen Harrier habitat......

https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0305&L=IBN-L&F=P&P=4058

LostCovey

Grab it while the going is good. Its now accepted that the Hen Harrier SPAs have not worked, and its only a matter of time before the scheme is wound down. It was also abused by some people claiming for a full 40Ha- to get around having to do REPS plans etc. It only applied to the SPAs in any case.

reilig

patjack wrote: »

Hi All,

Starting this thread primarily for those interested in the 2011 AEOS scheme.

I have two questions to start.

1)I have heard that prior Reps participants will be favoured for entry to the scheme, is this true?

Private planner advertising looking for participants in this area is saying that it will be a first come first served basis so prior Reps participants won't be favoured.

Don't know if he is right or not.

patjack

moy83 wrote: »

Flipping hell where abouts in the country are those hen harriers I could do with them in my place:D . I have a few acres of SAC but not in the same block of land can you apply in a few different places do you know ?

Hi Moy, I think the land has to be specifically designated for the Hen Harrier scheme, I only know of one farmer in our locality who has been approved for the maximum payment for 14k per year over five years. Fair play to him, he was proactive, it was going and he got in. Personally the AEOS should work out about the same as the Hen Harrier scheme would have had, so I really am depending on getting into this scheme. It most definately will be oversubscribed I am almost sure, so here is hoping like everyone else

sh1tstirrer

reilig wrote: »

Private planner advertising looking for participants in this area is saying that it will be a first come first served basis so prior Reps participants won't be favoured.

I would be skeptical of private planners
pushing for farmers to draw up plans. There is a private planner on donedeal trying every trick in the book to get as many farmers as he can to draw up plans. If some of them will be turned down for the scheme will he refund them?

moy83

patjack wrote: »

Hi Moy, I think the land has to be specifically designated for the Hen Harrier scheme, I only know of one farmer in our locality who has been approved for the maximum payment for 14k per year over five years. Fair play to him, he was proactive, it was going and he got in. Personally the AEOS should work out about the same as the Hen Harrier scheme would have had, so I really am depending on getting into this scheme. It most definately will be oversubscribed I am almost sure, so here is hoping like everyone else

patjack im sure it will be oversubscribed but i suppose all you can do is get onto it as soon as the scheme opens ill let you know as soon as i hear anything i know a fella that is usually on the ball with all the schemes

galwayhillbilly

I am going to apply this year my question is when does the money come in? I'll need to get a CU loan to keep cashflow until the cheque arrives assuming that there are no mistakes on the forms and no problems with the inspections when does the cheque arrive?
The land was rented and we were used to getting our cheque twice a year, relatively on time, so big changes coming

Johannson14

galwayhillbilly wrote: »

I am going to apply this year my question is when does the money come in? I'll need to get a CU loan to keep cashflow until the cheque arrives assuming that there are no mistakes on the forms and no problems with the inspections when does the cheque arrive?
The land was rented and we were used to getting our cheque twice a year, relatively on time, so big changes coming

AFAIK you get paid your first payment once you have your first year completed. Applications are sent in before the SFP deadline in May and confirmation of acceptance into the scheme should come by letter in September. Start dates for your first year I am unsure of. They could be date of application of date of acceptance.

Anyone feel free to correct me..

Min

Got accepted last September which was the start date for me.

Johannson14

Min wrote: »

Got accepted last September which was the start date for me.

So do you hope to get paid this year sometime??

galwayhillbilly

So, am I right in saying that if I get accepted in September 2011, then you dont see any cash (apart from SFP which I dont have and Area Aid), until September 2012

So what do I do with my land between May and September of this year, i.e. the period for which I am not getting AEOS, can I rent it for that period to generate some cash. Surely I dont have to carry out any AEOS work until I have been given a start date.

I can certainly bale silage and sell it, but I wont be able to stock it properly until it starts generating some income. I can get the bare minmum stock on it for now, but I will need some cashflow before Sept 2012 any suggestions?

Johannson14

No there is no point in carrying out any works which you have included in your application until you have your acceptance letter. It cannot be taken for granted that you will be able to participate as numbers are limited by the amount of funding available. We joined the AEOS scheme last year but no sign of any monies to be paid yet. Thousands of Reps 4 farmers are still waiting on their first payment from 2009 so AEOS farmers may be waiting another while.

I can't see why you couldn't rent out your land for grazing, silage making etc.

Min

Johannson14 wrote: »

So do you hope to get paid this year sometime??

I better, got nothing so far.

galwayhillbilly

I just sent an email off to the dept re their schedule of payments hopefully will get a reply.
If there are farmers from 2009 still waiting for money that really worries me, I certainly cant hold out for 2 years need that cashflow to build up stock no.s, I don't think it would be worth my while buying entitlements with only 2 years left in them and nothing for the first year only pay back the loan, will apply to the national reserve (I know its a waste of time) but worth a try.

studdlymurphy

Is it possible to plant trees in the riparian margin and claim for both the trees and the riparian margin?
Also I was wanting to plant trees all along all of our hedgerows will this be ok or do they have to be planted in open fields?

_walsh_

"I only know of one farmer in our locality who has been approved for the maximum payment for 14k per year over five years." if this is from aeos, that farmer is fluffing the figures!! the max payment you can get is 5k over the 5 years and reps people will be favoured, its not worth it if you don't have alot of stone walls or hedges or reseeded land as you get money/meter of hedge or walls and "species rich grassland"..

galwayhillbilly

Do you need reseeded land for 'species rich grassland'? I would have thought that non reseeded land with old grass types and flowers etc would have been more suitable.
It might not be worth it for someone with big acreage who would have got 14-15k on the old scheme on my acreage I wouldnt have even got 5k on the old scheme but can get very close to it on this one.

djmc

_walsh_ wrote: »

"I only know of one farmer in our locality who has been approved for the maximum payment for 14k per year over five years." if this is from aeos, that farmer is fluffing the figures!! the max payment you can get is 5k over the 5 years and reps people will be favoured, its not worth it if you don't have alot of stone walls or hedges or reseeded land as you get money/meter of hedge or walls and "species rich grassland"..

No I think he was talking about the hen harrier scheme from the npws

http://www.npws.ie/en/FarmersLandowners/NPWSFarmPlanScheme/
They sent letters out and held meetings with farmers in areas where they had
hen harriers and told them of all the extra money the could make if they left
their land become a SAC
They also said it would not affect farming practics turf cutting of planning.
The scheme closed after a few months most in reps or who were not fast enough didnt get in
I know of a few who didnt get planning permission because of it
I heard on telly the other that they want to stop all turf cutting on SACs
Never trust our goverment:mad:

patjack

_walsh_ wrote: »

"I only know of one farmer in our locality who has been approved for the maximum payment for 14k per year over five years." if this is from aeos, that farmer is fluffing the figures!! the max payment you can get is 5k over the 5 years and reps people will be favoured, its not worth it if you don't have alot of stone walls or hedges or reseeded land as you get money/meter of hedge or walls and "species rich grassland"..

Hi Walsh, no it was the Hen Harrier Protection scheme, and no he's not fluffing the figures 350/ha maximum acreage allowed = 40 ha, and he has it all designated. I would have approx 17ha so would have equated to 6k for me. As a previous poster mentioned some people got caught because they weren't finished Reps therefore couldn't apply before the hen harrier scheme closed. I was one of those I'm going to apply to the AEOS now in the hope of getting the 5k, which would substitute the hen harrier payment I missed out on

patjack

http://www.con-telegraph.ie/news/latest-news/2319-2011-aeos-to-open-dont-miss-out

"There will be two categories of farmers in the scheme. Category one will be farmers with land under SAC or NHA designation or commonage. Category two will be all other farmers. .........

There will be two categories of farmers in the scheme. Category one will be farmers with land under SAC or NHA designation or commonage. Category two will be all other farmers..................

Farmer who are currently involved in a REPS scheme are not eligible to apply. However, approimately 16,000 farmers have finished their REPS 3 plans and the department have indicated that the new scheme will endeavour to look after these farmers.
We expect the application forms to be available within the next few weeks."

johngalway

djmc wrote: »

Never trust our goverment:mad:

Amen to that!

galwayhillbilly

I just got a reply from the Dept around when you get paid, theoretically if your contract Starts in September 2010 you should get paid for the period september to December 2010 in early 2011

moy83

Any sign of the new AEOS scheme opening yet ?

rancher

djmc wrote: »

Never trust our goverment:mad:

I was at party leaders meeting with IFA, Brendan smith said he'd announce the aeos before the 15 march, he can't announce it if he's not there!!!! Kenny and Gilmore claimed it wasn't allowed for in the budget, don't know what meeting IFJ was at..... Hope I'm wrong.

galwayhillbilly

Certainly hope it opens, as a new entrant dont have access to SFP was hoping AEOS would fill the gap

JohnBoy

I dont believe the money's there to pay for it. smith could announce whatever he wanted as he was running out the door.

kay 9

Anyone get their AEOS plans validated yet? All we have is one letter from last september saying that the plans are still not validated How feckin long does it take. Pity about not being allowed spread fertilizer:rolleyes:

Birdnuts

kay 9 wrote: »

. Pity about not being allowed spread fertilizer:rolleyes: Won't stop most lads me thinks;)

Such comments don't really help boost the image of farmers among the non-farming public many of whom already have low opinions of farmers and grant schemes that support farming:(

Curious Geroge

If exiting REPS 3 this year (June) can I apply for AEOS or do I need to wait till I'm out ? Cheers..

johngalway

Curious Geroge wrote: »

If exiting REPS 3 this year (June) can I apply for AEOS or do I need to wait till I'm out ? Cheers..

Last year I believe the AEOS application deadline was May 17th. You needed to be OUT of REPS by that date to apply. If you were out on May 18th last year, you wouldn't have been considered.

The_Conductor

Birdnuts wrote: »

Such comments don't really help boost the image of farmers among the non-farming public many of whom already have low opinions of farmers and grant schemes that support farming:(

The public are in a mood to hate anyone who crosses them- comments like the fertiliser one, are going to be like waving a red flag to a bull. Boards gets quoted frequently in the national media- you are not down at the local having a private chat with someone at the bar. In addition- there are several Department inspectors who habitually check in here from time to time. If you genuinely think that you're going to get away with circumventing the scheme as you're suggesting- think again..........

kay 9

Birdnuts wrote: »

Such comments don't really help boost the image of farmers among the non-farming public many of whom already have low opinions of farmers and grant schemes that support farming:(

Edited for your comfort:p

patjack

Curious Geroge wrote: »

If exiting REPS 3 this year (June) can I apply for AEOS or do I need to wait till I'm out ? Cheers..

Hi George, not sure but last year I failed to qualify for the Hen Harrier Scheme because the closing date for applications was before the date I exited Reps 3, exited reps 3 in July 2010, but application date for Hen Harrier scheme was before July 2010. I would check with local teagasc or private advisor, they should tell you over the phone.

patjack

Does anyone know the definition of Natura 2000????? I think this type of land is going to prioritised for entry into the AEOS scheme

patjack

patjack wrote: »

Does anyone know the definition of Natura 2000????? I think this type of land is going to prioritised for entry into the AEOS scheme

Response to own question from Teagasc Website:
NATURA 2000 sites are protected habitats for flora and fauna of European importance. They comprise Special Areas of Conservation, designated under the Habitats Directive and Special Protection Areas, designated under the Birds Directive.

patjack

johngalway wrote: »

Last year I believe the AEOS application deadline was May 17th. You needed to be OUT of REPS by that date to apply. If you were out on May 18th last year, you wouldn't have been considered.

agree with Johngalway, I was unable to apply for Hen Harrier Scheme last year due to the closing date for application to the Hen Harrier Scheme being just before my end date for Reps

The_Conductor

This is probably the best explanation you'll get re: Natura 2000

patjack

smccarrick wrote: »

This is probably the best explanation you'll get re: Natura 2000

Thanks SM, I wonder with a new government and new minister for the environment in Phil Hogan will there be any changes to the Hen Harrier Scheme as in will it be re-opened to those who have land designated but not actually in the scheme?

I suppose sticking to the thread title, will the Aeos scheme for 2011 go ahead as planned prior to the election?

The_Conductor

patjack wrote: »

Thanks SM, I wonder with a new government and new minister for the environment in Phil Hogan will there be any changes to the Hen Harrier Scheme as in will it be re-opened to those who have land designated but not actually in the scheme?

I suppose sticking to the thread title, will the Aeos scheme for 2011 go ahead as planned prior to the election?

Will it go ahead as planned?
With a new government- all cards are off the table, unfortunately.
It really doesn't matter one iota what the outgoing ministers promised to anyone- the incoming ministers will have to make a case to the Department of Finance- and justify any expenditure. The AEOS schemes did not feature in the FG and Labour election manifestos- nor were they costed in their grand budget plans. They probably will go ahead in my opinion- but very probably be different in nature and funding than envisaged. Keep in mind the proposals for Teagasc etc- the AEOS scheme is not going to be at the forefront of people's thoughts........

patjack

Anyone any update or any news on the grapevine as to when the 2011 AEOS scheme application process will begin??

galwayhillbilly

New scheme has been announced on Agriculture website, can't find forms or information documents, if anyone can find them please post link, they obviously are going to make this as awkward as possible in the hope that some of us will go away

JohnBoy

I've been looking and cant find 2011 documentation either.

2010 stuff is here, and makes a good start for reading I suppose.

chickenfarmer

2011 forms and info are there now.

http://www.agriculture.gov.ie/farmerschemespayments/ruralenvironmentprotectionschemereps/repsandaeosschemes/agri-environmentoptionsschemeaeos/

patjack

Looking at the T&C'S - Under Eligibility heading

8.8. Actions on rented land are not eligible for payment.

8.9. For area-based actions the eligible area of a LPIS parcel in agricultural use shall be the same as the eligible area declared as owned or leased under the Single Payment Scheme.

Anyone make sense of 8.8 above especially with whats written in 8.9????

patjack

patjack wrote: »

Looking at the T&C'S - Under Eligibility heading

8.8. Actions on rented land are not eligible for payment.

8.9. For area-based actions the eligible area of a LPIS parcel in agricultural use shall be the same as the eligible area declared as owned or leased under the Single Payment Scheme.

Anyone make sense of 8.8 above especially with whats written in 8.9????

Maybe there is a differentiation between leased and rented because they mention them seperately elsewhere, not sure though