SEX SELLS!

Bizzum

Now that I have your attention, I was wondering would people be interested in posting photos of livestock, say for example, the type of heifer that they would be breeding off, what makes the grade, what is too muscular etc?

We all have our own ideas of what is quality.
Would it be a worthwhile exercise?

pakalasa

Well, if looks were anything to go by!
I've always thought that this was one of the finest looking cows I've seen;
It's Majorque from the Pelletstown herd.

kealar

pakalasa wrote: »

Well, if looks were anything to go by!
I've always thought that this was one of the finest looking cows I've seen;
It's Majorque from the Pelletstown herd.

ya super cow

whelan1

i worked there years ago , lovely stock

Bizzum

BAX LIM maiden heifer, Some time shortly after going to the bull. Probably near 500kgs. She is one of the better breeding cows we have at present.

Bizzum

Ped Charolais heifer by NWK, with her first calf, a heifer calf by the Blonde Bull Landais. This calf is now a second calver and has bred two super calves to the LIM Jaguar, Not sure will we breed from her first calf, she has a lot of muscle!

Bizzum

Navarin heifer calf out of the BAX cow above.
We didn't breed off this heifer, we felt she was to muscular!
It was a close call though.
Dunno were we right or wrong?

johnpawl

Bizzum wrote: »

Navarin heifer calf out of the BAX cow above.
We didn't breed off this heifer, we felt she was to muscular!
It was a close call though.
Dunno were we right or wrong?

Any chance atall of getting a pic of that sirex heifer calf??:):)And maybe the mother if she's close by:D

Bizzum

johnpawl wrote: »

Any chance atall of getting a pic of that sirex heifer calf??:):)And maybe the mother if she's close by:D

No problem.
Give me a couple of days!

aidanki

Bizzum wrote: »

Ped Charolais heifer by NWK, with her first calf, a heifer calf by the Blonde Bull Landais. This calf is now a second calver and has bred two super calves to the LIM Jaguar, Not sure will we breed from her first calf, she has a lot of muscle!

some cow there

johnpawl

Bizzum wrote: »

No problem.
Give me a couple of days!

Sound, Thanks alot, be very interested to see.

pakalasa

Ya Bizzum, liked the look of the Ped Char Cow.
Thought the last navarin heifer was a bit too tight in the gut alright for breeding. Nice looking cattle though.
Must get out the camera and soap/blowdryer.:D

Bizzum

Same Charolais cow as a second calver. Come to think of it she is up against calving, I might get another pic of her soon, she really matured into a nice cow this year.

Quality is relative. I seen pics of cattle on here a while back and I thought they made mine look shabby!

pakalasa

Bizzum wrote: »

Same Charolais cow as a second calver. Come to think of it she is up against calving, I might get another pic of her soon, she really matured into a nice cow this year.

Quality is relative. I seen pics of cattle on here a while back and I thought they made mine look shabby!

That's the kind of cow, I'd like to be breeding. Good deep body, good top-line and enough muscle on the back end without causing calving problems. The muscle is spread down deep along the back legs too and not rounded tight at the top, if you know what I mean?

leg wax

maybe could we make this a sticky thread so its always at the top of the farming so we can always add to it and it would be a great help to everyone in seeing new crosses and the like , mods what do you think they have a picture section on the english site.

Bizzum

pakalasa wrote: »

That's the kind of cow, I'd like to be breeding. Good deep body, good top-line and enough muscle on the back end without causing calving problems. The muscle is spread down deep along the back legs too and not rounded tight at the top, if you know what I mean?

You hit the nail on the head there! You very nearly defined what a beef cow should be.
I might add thet this cow springs up a lovely elder, her dam was a good milker, for a Charolais!

Bizzum

leg wax wrote: »

maybe could we make this a sticky thread so its always at the top of the farming so we can always add to it and it would be a great help to everyone in seeing new crosses and the like , mods what do you think they have a picture section on the english site.

Great idea. Maybe the mods could put a proper thread title on it too:)

Bizzum

johnpawl wrote: »

Any chance atall of getting a pic of that sirex heifer calf??:):)And maybe the mother if she's close by:D

Here You go. Poor quality pics, it's difficult to get good ones in a crowded shed.
Sirex calf out of Newry (sim) heifer.

RobinBanks

Here is a pic of my blonde incalf heifer taken during the summer. I have more pics on my computer at home of other cows that I will post ASAP.

johnpawl

Bizzum wrote: »

Here You go. Poor quality pics, it's difficult to get good ones in a crowded shed.
Sirex calf out of Newry (sim) heifer.

Class heifer you have there to be fair. I'll chance sirex alright this year I reckon. Thanks alot for that.....

vanderbadger

RobinBanks wrote: »

Here is a pic of my blonde incalf heifer taken during the summer. I have more pics on my computer at home of other cows that I will post ASAP.[/QUOTE
nice heifer there

pakalasa

FHZ - Belgian Blue heifer from a yellow charolais. 3 weeks old now. Dont know the cow's exact breeding, but I'd say a lot of Limousin there too.
Probably my best cow. She calves earlier and earlier every year. Nearly culled after her though after her first year, as she had very little milk.

vanderbadger

pakalasa wrote: »

FHZ - Belgian Blue heifer from a yellow charolais. 3 weeks old now. Dont know the cow's exact breeding, but I'd say a lot of Limousin there too.
Probably my best cow. She calves earlier and earlier every year. Nearly culled after her though after her first year, as she had very little milk.

fine calf there Pak

Bizzum

pakalasa wrote: »

FHZ - Belgian Blue heifer from a yellow charolais. 3 weeks old now. Dont know the cow's exact breeding, but I'd say a lot of Limousin there too.
Probably my best cow. She calves earlier and earlier every year. Nearly culled after her though after her first year, as she had very little milk.

Powerful calf.
Has the dam since come into her milk as a mature cow?
I find that many of the continental cows really only mature on their 3rd calf!

Bizzum

RobinBanks wrote: »

Here is a pic of my blonde incalf heifer taken during the summer. I have more pics on my computer at home of other cows that I will post ASAP.

Lovely looking heifer.
Is she pure Ba? and if so would we know her sire? Is he in AI?
She must be up against calving by now?

So many questions!

pakalasa

Bizzum wrote: »

Powerful calf.
Has the dam since come into her milk as a mature cow?
I find that many of the continental cows really only mature on their 3rd calf!

Ya, the first year, her calf would go and drink other cows. She had so little milk. Fine in the years after that, in fairness. I've taken two Simm heifers from her. One by Hillcrest King (HKG) and the other by Seepa Tee Jay (IS4). They are lovely and quiet aswell and they should have plenty of milk. We'll see.

cows123

this is my heifer. she calved in december to a limousin and is bulled again to azl.

vanderbadger

cows123 wrote: »

this is my heifer. she calved in december to a limousin and is bulled again to azl.

some great cattle on show, this is a good thread
how did she go calving, she is a fairly muscly looking

Bizzum

pakalasa wrote: »

I've taken two Simm heifers from her. One by Hillcrest King (HKG) and the other by Seepa Tee Jay (IS4). They are lovely and quiet aswell and they should have plenty of milk. We'll see.

These should be top of the range cows all going well. Are either in calf yet?

Bizzum

cows123 wrote: »

this is my heifer. she calved in december to a limousin and is bulled again to azl.

Super heifer. I'd love to see a pic of her now with her 2 mth old calf at foot? She did hang around coming bulling either. You could have 2 calves in under a year!

vanderbadger

2 bbq calves from first time calvers
the 2nd one is the bull calf from simm heifer that went well over her time, i posted before about it

Bizzum

vanderbadger wrote: »

2 bbq calves from first time calvers
the 2nd one is the bull calf from simm heifer that went well over her time, i posted before about it

Lovely pair of calves.
You would be looking forward to seeing them out, after a couple of months of milk and grass!

cows123

2 outstanding calves. Show quality deffinitely!

pakalasa

Van,
2 fine looking calves there!
Were both heifers simmentals? Do you know the breeding?
Any thoughts on where you might sell them. Would you try and aim for the sprecial BB sales in Ennis mart?

vanderbadger

pakalasa wrote: »

Van,
2 fine looking calves there!
Were both heifers simmentals? Do you know the breeding?
Any thoughts on where you might sell them. Would you try and aim for the sprecial BB sales in Ennis mart?

well the heifer calf is out of an all white ch heifer from a cf52 bull wehad here previously, she seems to have plenty of milk for calf, i would have to look up her mother but she wouldnt have any special breeding, the auld fella gave up milking when i was very young and just kept on freisans, i suppose alot of the cows over the years came fromthat background as we never bought much in. the bull calf is from the simm heifer who mother is a big purebred cow from BALLYDUFF JEWELLER? dont know much about the simms interestingly i never knew she (the mother of the heifer that calved) was a purebred till i joined icbf, the auld fella bought her a few years ago in ennis without knowing, anyway she was in calf with this heifer( mother of calf) when bought so i have no sire details except to say she is simm and her mother is purebred so she is surley purebred as well? I suppose i should try and breed her mother to a simm bull but dont really have the interest. as for selling them i havent really thought of it, im only at it a couple of years and the auld fella had been keeping on weanlings, last year was the first year i sold a few weanlings and this year i will be trying to sell more on, the blues will deffo be going anyway. interestly i have another blue calf, when he was born he had a lovely shape , he is a big strong calf now but has lost his shape altogether and is very plain, eating loads of meal but dont think he will turn into much

_walsh_

two lovely heifers alright! might make breeding heifers for shows but not as calfs ( not putting them down or anything):rolleyes: but super cattle to breed from!! i must post some photos myself. (we breed show cattle).:P

Bizzum

vanderbadger wrote: »

interestly i have another blue calf, when he was born he had a lovely shape , he is a big strong calf now but has lost his shape altogether and is very plain, eating loads of meal but dont think he will turn into much

Is he out of a Sim by any chance?
Had a blue bull calf couple of years ago like this, out of a big Simx cow, poor milker, Breeds late type cattle. Arrived a shapey calf, went plain for most of his career, but when he came of age he finished extremely well, U grade and heavy carcase weight.
I think its hard to put on muscle and bone, on a little milk. But it could come yet!

vanderbadger

Bizzum wrote: »

Is he out of a Sim by any chance?
Had a blue bull calf couple of years ago like this, out of a big Simx cow, poor milker, Breeds late type cattle. Arrived a shapey calf, went plain for most of his career, but when he came of age he finished extremely well, U grade and heavy carcase weight.
I think its hard to put on muscle and bone, on a little milk. But it could come yet!

the mother is a blue colored cow but i think she is some type of shorthorn cross, very good on milk, very low heavy cow..

Bizzum

vanderbadger wrote: »

the mother is a blue colored cow but i think she is some type of shorthorn cross, very good on milk, very low heavy cow..

There go's my theory out the window so!

planet.melvin

heres some of our pb bb heifers

vanderbadger

planet.melvin wrote: »

heres some of our pb bb heifers

very nice melvin, are they hard calved?

planet.melvin

there all pbr. its all sections. we flush the blues and implant them into LMX recepient heifers. we then induce them at around 280 days and take them all on the one day.

pakalasa

planet.melvin wrote: »

there all pbr. its all sections. we flush the blues and implant them into LMX recepient heifers. we then induce them at around 280 days and take them all on the one day.

Would the LMX heifers not calve them on their own, even at 3 years?
Do ye rear them on the heifers then?

planet.melvin

pakalasa wrote: »

Would the LMX heifers not calve them on their own, even at 3 years?
Do ye rear them on the heifers then?

No you'd only end up losing calfs and tearing heifers open. these calve weigh up to 60 kg at birth. the heifers then rear them as their own

Bizzum

Interesting that there. It's a high input enterprise. Very specialised. Is there any of the PB BB's that calve normally?

redzerologhlen

Heres my ideal type of replacement, Shes a weanling I bought last november but I reckon she has the makings of a fine cow someday:)

pakalasa

redzerologhlen wrote: »

Heres my ideal type of replacement, Shes a weanling I bought last november but I reckon she has the makings of a fine cow someday:)

Nice heifer. If she has enough milk and doesn't turn psycho, she should make a lovely cow alright.
I see you're in the heart of the Burren. Do you out-winter them?

redzerologhlen

Sure do, as soon as the calves are weaned the cows are off to the winterage. Its a lot cheaper then building a slatted shed, making a load of silage and paying to spread the slurry after. We start to feed the cows nuts and minerals about six weeks before they calve, I know you wouldnt dream of doing this if you were feeding cattle inside but its kinda neccecary around here or they would melt when they calve and it doesnt make the calf massive either, Its more of a maintenence diet for the cow and almost all our cows calve unassisted:D

pakalasa

I'd take a winterage in the Burren anyday over a fancy slatted shed.
Of course, great place to store cattle too as the limestone is great for growing frame.

redzerologhlen

It is but most farmers have changed to suckling now and selling as weanlings. Not too many bullocks around here for the winter any more. It has its pros and cons too, Cattle are a lot healthier outside and its a low cost system but you can only buy in burren cattle or they will get redwater or mourne as its called around here which makes it difficult to try and source quality replacements and its difficult to have cows calving before march which means you will have some light weanlings the following october.

Bodacious

redzerologhlen wrote: »

Sure do, as soon as the calves are weaned the cows are off to the winterage. Its a lot cheaper then building a slatted shed, making a load of silage and paying to spread the slurry after. We start to feed the cows nuts and minerals about six weeks before they calve, I know you wouldnt dream of doing this if you were feeding cattle inside but its kinda neccecary around here or they would melt when they calve and it doesnt make the calf massive either, Its more of a maintenence diet for the cow and almost all our cows calve unassisted:D

Thats great to have them out without cutting the place up. are you in that Burren scheme where dept of wildlife want cattle to graze down vegetation in winter like they used to bring back the native flora? Do they provide the ration or stipulate the content in that scheme.. i know feeding roughage is a no no to encourage them to consume more vegetation?