All Ireland Senior Finals

MBC

Weigh Inn this morning..........some cracking contests in store.

Any predictions lads/lasies???

walshb

Looking forward to the best nights boxing you will ever get. Always a treat...

Not all that up on who is who and who is at what weight.

I guess Barnes, Nevin, Joyce, that Athy LW?, O'Neill, Egan etc, JJJ?

duagre

anyone know ticket prices for each night, if there is a season ticket available and at what cost, and all that other good stuff.

Jayob10

Looking forward to seeing the young guns testing Kenny Egan this year, young Joe Ward is stepping up to senior level and want to see him have a crack at Kenny. huge talent for 17 years of age.

coronaextra

Looking forward to this!

Heres a link to the enteries (found on the bottom of the page)

http://www.iaba.ie/latest-iaba-news/2011/2/10/elite-senior-championships-entries-update-men.html

When will the finals be held?

walshb

What happened to the ex fly champ from Baldoyle? Name escapes me? Won a few titles a few years on the trot? Conor ???? Ahern it was....

Johner

A Joe Ward - Egan final would be great!

JacksonHeightsOwn

has the draw been made yet?

interesting to see who Eric Donovan is drawn against, he had a right barn burner in his senior final last year, against one of the Joyces, i cant remember which brother, but a cracking fight,

is the quarters tonight, or semis?

alanceltic

walshb wrote: »

What happened to the ex fly champ from Baldoyle? Name escapes me? Won a few titles a few years on the trot? Conor ???? Ahern it was....

yeah a nice fighter but he hasnt been in the mix in a while, i remember watching him losing his title one year (cant remembe to who) and the younger kid just wanted it sooo much more, be interesting to see how committed he is this yea.

I would actually love to see McCarthy knock Egan off his perch, he needs to have his fitness in check as he has been out on his feet the last 2 years when he had the tools to beat him but not the stamina.

Looking forward to seeing Sutcliffe, always gives it a great go and is so exciting to watch (a dead cert to go pro after the olympic year)

walshb

Alan, I am alomost certain that it was Declan Geraghty that beat Ahern a few years back. I also think he lost to Ruairi Dalton.

As for McCarthy, no, don't like him. Doesn't seem to want it enough. At least that is what I saw the last two finals. And, what a sore loser too. Last year when interviewed he didn't have any kind words for Kenny. Big sour puss on him...

duagre

according to the Draw sheet anyway, Tommy is fighting at HW this year.

Big Ears

duagre wrote: »

according to the Draw sheet anyway, Tommy is fighting at HW this year.

and he's drawn the reigning champion(Con Sheehan) in the prelims aswell. McCarthy is a skilful fighter but Sheehan will be far too big and far too strong for him imo.

walshb

I don't see how Sheehan will be far too big. It's not SH; there is a limit on this weight. Tommy is a big lad, prbably a natural move up in weight. He's quite tall too....

Big Ears

walshb wrote: »

I don't see how Sheehan will be far too big. It's not SH; there is a limit on this weight. Tommy is a big lad, prbably a natural move up in weight. He's quite tall too....

It is a natural move up in weight as McCarthy had outgrown Light-Heavyweight, but there's a big difference between 81 Kg and 91 Kg, and Con is a pretty big boy at Heavyweight. Sheehan could easily have a stone or more of natural weight on him, which imo is a big difference especially when McCarthy had struggled with the strength and aggression of fighters at 81 Kg at times.

megadodge

Will all the men's finals be on the same night this year?

Last year's were diluted with novice women fights and split into two nights and for the first time ever (I've been to an awful lot of finals nights) I thought "if that's the story next year I might give it a miss".

A full men's finals nights is without doubt the very best value-for-money any boxing fan could ask for.

alanceltic

Think it was shane cox from gorey but i cud be wrong

walshb wrote: »

Alan, I am alomost certain that it was Declan Geraghty that beat Ahern a few years back. I also think he lost to Ruairi Dalton.

As for McCarthy, no, don't like him. Doesn't seem to want it enough. At least that is what I saw the last two finals. And, what a sore loser too. Last year when interviewed he didn't have any kind words for Kenny. Big sour puss on him...

Brigante

walshb wrote: »

What happened to the ex fly champ from Baldoyle? Name escapes me? Won a few titles a few years on the trot? Conor ???? Ahern it was....

Hes training white collar boxers over in the stadium afew times a week at the moment! Dunno if hes still fighting though.. Its a pity he wasnt bigger he really had a great style for the pros

walshb

Conor was a great little scrapper. Full of fight, could box and slug. Very versatile fighter. And very enjoyable to watch.

djkeogh

Why is it so hard to get information on these nights. The IABA and the Stadium websites themselves are poor enough for the info.

Hopefully someone here can clarify for me. Are these on for the next 2 Fridays coming (18th & 25th). If so will the 25th be the best night to go? I'm looking to bring my dad along as he's voiced an interest.

walshb

djkeogh wrote: »

Why is it so hard to get information on these nights. The IABA and the Stadium websites themselves are poor enough for the info.

Hopefully someone here can clarify for me. Are these on for the next 2 Fridays coming (18th & 25th). If so will the 25th be the best night to go? I'm looking to bring my dad along as he's voiced an interest.

Yes, semis are on this Friday, and finals are on the 25th....

Finals night is tops. Always has been...But, semis night will also be tops...

BTW, I see Con Sheehan beat McCarthy at heavy, 5-0, on Saturday night

Jayob10

walshb wrote: »

Yes, semis are on this Friday, and finals are on the 25th....

Finals night is tops. Always has been...But, semis night will also be tops...

BTW, I see Con Sheehan beat McCarthy at heavy, 5-0, on Saturday night

Is there anywhere that has results posted online aswell as the draw etc...?

Out of the country at the minute but back for finals night

Big Ears

walshb wrote: »

BTW, I see Con Sheehan beat McCarthy at heavy, 5-0, on Saturday night

Course he did, sure the size difference was too much for McCarthy

Jayob10 wrote: »

Is there anywhere that has results posted online aswell as the draw etc...?

Out of the country at the minute but back for finals night

http://http://www.iaba.ie/iaba-latest-results/

Well that shows the results so far.

http://http://www.iaba.ie/draw-card/

and there's the draw card(just scroll down).

Jayob10

Big Ears wrote: »

Course he did, sure the size difference was too much for McCarthy



http://http://www.iaba.ie/iaba-latest-results/

Well that shows the results so far.

http://http://www.iaba.ie/draw-card/

and there's the draw card(just scroll down).

brilliant stuff, cheers for that

Some big names gone. Am I right in assuming that failure to win a national championships puts an end to Olympic hopes?

We have some serious strength in depth

Big Ears

Jayob10 wrote: »

brilliant stuff, cheers for that

Some big names gone. Am I right in assuming that failure to win a national championships puts an end to Olympic hopes?

We have some serious strength in depth

Not quite, sometimes box offs can be ordered(quite often actually), to decide who gets to go. With the number of upsets occuring this year I think box offs at most weight classes will be a certainty.

With some of our fighters being involved in the World Series of Boxing there is an opportunity to qualify through that. Although John Joe Nevin is the only one with a genuine chance and with him losing his last fight(I've heard it was a robbery but haven't watched it yet), even that seems unlikely.

But with the quality of amateur fighters we have in various weight classes I could see a few boys wanting to turn over to the pros if they don't make the Olympics. Although with potentially no RTÉ dates for pro boxing this year, the amount of professional promotions in this country and demand for pro fighters may go down.

walshb

I welcome box offs, keeps the fighters hungry and focused, and ensures that any close or dodgy decisions can have another crack.

rocco.

Brigante wrote: »

Hes training white collar boxers over in the stadium afew times a week at the moment! Dunno if hes still fighting though.. Its a pity he wasnt bigger he really had a great style for the pros

have ya got any info on his training mate! looking to do abit down the stadium with him!

JacksonHeightsOwn

Anybody know the price of entry into these events lads?

I can hazard a guess that it'll be €30 at least

Bencon

It was 15 euro in to quarter finals last week. I'd say it will be same for semis but could go uo for finals. Will probably go into semis tomorrow. I see on IABA website that Molloy, JJJ and Donovan were all beaten tonight. Egan won.

sleapy235

A lot of the High Performance squad boxers have been knocked out in the early stages of these championships and a lot of others have struggled. So far Gary Molloy, Ryan Lindberg, Eric Donovan, Ray Moylette, Willie McLaughlin, John Joe Joyce and Tommy McCarthy have all made their exits, while Darren O'Neill only scraped through 4-3 tonight, John Joe Nevin also struggled in the first round. Is this a sign that the High Performance programme isn't motoring as well as it was or is there just a hige depth of talent in the country? Considering that these guys are getting between 12,000 and 40,000 (Joyce and Donovan) euro a year as well as massive training benefits as members of the HP team, why are they performing so poorly?
Also, the fact that a number of national titles may be won by fighters with little international experience may impact heavily on our chances of qualifying fighters for the Olympics I would imagine.

colly10

sleapy235 wrote: »

A lot of the High Performance squad boxers have been knocked out in the early stages of these championships and a lot of others have struggled. So far Gary Molloy, Ryan Lindberg, Eric Donovan, Ray Moylette, Willie McLaughlin, John Joe Joyce and Tommy McCarthy have all made their exits, while Darren O'Neill only scraped through 4-3 tonight, John Joe Nevin also struggled in the first round. Is this a sign that the High Performance programme isn't motoring as well as it was or is there just a hige depth of talent in the country? Considering that these guys are getting between 12,000 and 40,000 (Joyce and Donovan) euro a year as well as massive training benefits as members of the HP team, why are they performing so poorly?
Also, the fact that a number of national titles may be won by fighters with little international experience may impact heavily on our chances of qualifying fighters for the Olympics I would imagine.

Ah I think if a guy is good enough to win the championship and also wins the box off then he's definitely good enough to represent the country, the best guys are the guys currently winning.
Has Donovan managed to win more than one title, lost the box off's last year as well, the count back went the right way anyway. This is JJJ's first year at 69 as well, think he only moved up to get away from Sutcliffe as well.

Nevin may not have got the points on the board early on but it was a classy performance and he totally dominated the fight, it's like watching something out of the matrix when he fights at times, he was very impressive.

Egan looked very good as well tonight, I wasn't expecting anything like the performance he put in

Bencon

Think its a sign of strength in depth. Look at how Northern Ireland Boxers did at Commonwealth games this year, Barnes, Gallagher and O'Kane all won gold while McCarthy and Ward got silvers.

Gallagher was easily beaten by McLoughlin in Ulster final a few weeks ago and then both of them were beaten in first round of Irish Seniors.
O'Kane didnt take part in Irish seniors but he was well beaten in semis last year by Quigley who was then beat by O'Neill.
Sheehan beat McCarthy well last week and tonight beat Ward 13-0.

It will be interesting to see if the IABA do the right thing and send this years National champions to the Olympic qualifiers or if they will order box offs to try and save the likes of Joyce and Donovan after investing so much time and money in them,

colly10

Bencon wrote: »

or if they will order box offs to try and save the likes of Joyce and Donovan after investing so much time and money in them,

No doubt they will, JJJ probably isn't the top man at 69 though and isn't at 64, not convinced by Donovan either. They can hold the box off's but the top guys will win

sleapy235

colly10 wrote: »

Ah I think if a guy is good enough to win the championship and also wins the box off then he's definitely good enough to represent the country, the best guys are the guys currently winning.
Has Donovan managed to win more than one title, lost the box off's last year as well, the count back went the right way anyway. This is JJJ's first year at 69 as well, think he only moved up to get away from Sutcliffe as well.

Nevin may not have got the points on the board early on but it was a classy performance and he totally dominated the fight, it's like watching something out of the matrix when he fights at times, he was very impressive.

Egan looked very good as well tonight, I wasn't expecting anything like the performance he put in

Of course they're good enough to represent their country, I'm not denying that, if they beat the best guys in Ireland they deserve their shot, no doubt about it. My concern would be that a lack of international and major tournament experience might tell against them when it comes to the World Championships.
JJJ won the title at 69 last year, defeated McLaughlin in an excellent final, very controversial decision though. He has been less than convincing the last couple of years considering he could and should have won an Olympic medal in 2008, and went on to win European bronze that year.
Nevin is an awesome boxer when in form, but can be inconsistent, only scraped it in last years final against Thorpe but beat him easily tonight. As for Kenny, as much respect and admiration as I have for him, I think it would be better for Irish boxing if Joe Ward won the national title, I reckon he has a better chance of medalling in London.

megadodge

I think it's a sign of the tremendous strength in depth of Irish amateur boxing that there's virtually nobody who's a 'cert' in the championships anymore.

If you look at all the medals won by Irish boxers in every championship over the last 4 years that would seem to back me up.

It's this competition at national level that makes the Irish so formidable abroad now. In a way it's like a lesser version of Cuba a number of years ago, when Olympic/World champs were more likely to be beaten in the Cuban national championships than anywhere else!

Anyway, back to my earlier question - does anybody know if there is just one finals night this year with all the senior titles up for grabs or will it be like last year??

Anybody?

Bencon

Finals are all on next Friday 25th, RTE have coverage, not sure if they will show all the finals live or if it will be deferred coverage of some.

keane=cock

any bookies takin bets on the finals

walshb

colly10 wrote: »

Has Donovan managed to win more than one title, lost the box off's last year as well, the count back went the right way anyway. This is JJJ's first year at 69 as well, think he only moved up to get away from Sutcliffe as well.

Nevin may not have got the points on the board early on but it was a classy performance and he totally dominated the fight, it's like watching something out of the matrix when he fights at times, he was very impressive.

Egan looked very good as well tonight, I wasn't expecting anything like the performance he put in

colly, this is JJJ second year at 69 Kgs. He beat Willie McLauglin in last years final in a fight I thought he lost. Donovan as far s I can recall has 5 Senior titles to his credit. I think it's three at feather and two at 60.

Make no mistake, NONE of our champs are dominating. Almost Every fight from prelim to final is well contested. So, no, the top dogs losing doesn't worry me or make me belive anything other than the competition being ultra tough.

Jayob10

Really looking forward to seeing Joe Ward and Kenny Egan at the weekend.

I expect Kenny to have to much for him this year but its intriguing all the same

Jayob10

sleapy235 wrote: »

Of course they're good enough to represent their country, I'm not denying that, if they beat the best guys in Ireland they deserve their shot, no doubt about it. My concern would be that a lack of international and major tournament experience might tell against them when it comes to the World Championships.
JJJ won the title at 69 last year, defeated McLaughlin in an excellent final, very controversial decision though. He has been less than convincing the last couple of years considering he could and should have won an Olympic medal in 2008, and went on to win European bronze that year.
Nevin is an awesome boxer when in form, but can be inconsistent, only scraped it in last years final against Thorpe but beat him easily tonight. As for Kenny, as much respect and admiration as I have for him, I think it would be better for Irish boxing if Joe Ward won the national title, I reckon he has a better chance of medalling in London.

I'm a huge fan of Joe Ward, think he will be a serious prospect, but with all due respect I think you are jumping the gun a small bit with that statement. He has had one fight in the senior national championships and is untested at senior level relatively speaking at national level never mind senior international level. Its a big big step up.

Give him time and he will go on to big things I reckon. His match up with Kenny at the weekend will be very interesting although right now I expect Kenny to beat him quite comfortably to be honest, but he will get better and better.

sleapy235

Jayob10 wrote: »

I'm a huge fan of Joe Ward, think he will be a serious prospect, but with all due respect I think you are jumping the gun a small bit with that statement. He has had one fight in the senior national championships and is untested at senior level relatively speaking at national level never mind senior international level. Its a big big step up.

Give him time and he will go on to big things I reckon. His match up with Kenny at the weekend will be very interesting although right now I expect Kenny to beat him quite comfortably to be honest, but he will get better and better.

Its true that he's untested at senior level but he handled Joyce, a 2008 World Youth medalist very easily in his first senior fight, only conceded points by virtue of a public warning. Also no other Irish boxer has achieved what he has achieved underage, and almost all of his victories in the World Youth and Junior championships were by landslide margins. He is a serious talent, and will be 18 in London which is by no means too young for an Olympic boxer, look at Amir Khan for example.
Of course Kenny will be favourite on Friday, he's an Olympic silver medalist and multiple European medalist, has bags of experience and I have huge admiration for the man. I just think that by the time London comes around he may find it hard to get amongst the medals whilst Ward will be continously improving between now and then. My main worry for Ward is that he hits so hard, it leaves him open to hand injuries. Anyway, I'm really looking forward to this fight on Friday, should be a cracker, as should the rest of the fights, especially Nevin v. McCullagh and Conlon v. Phelan and Sutcliffe v. Hickey. Should be a great nights boxing.

Anyone know how much the tickets are for this ?

jayroyal

I seen the joe ward fight and have to say he was only in first gear , i think kenny will have too much for him on friday but come the box-offs with this fight behind him i really do think he'll beat kenny then. Hell i can't wait sucliffe by ko , by way the scoring is that bad down the stadium sucko last fight was 0-0 when it got stopped and he dropped the guy twice :eek:.

walshb

jayroyal wrote: »

by way the scoring is that bad down the stadium sucko last fight was 0-0 when it got stopped and he dropped the guy twice :eek:.

Wow....It really pisses me off. I think IF a ref gives a count or recognises a legit knock down and gives a count, then the fighter scoring the KD or count should automatically receive 2 points. It's a disgrace that a fighter can drop an opponent or force a count and receive nothing.

Johner

I see Sutcliffe has stopped his 1/4 and semi final opponents! He is going to do very well in the pro's!

walshb

Johner wrote: »

I see Sutcliffe has stopped his 1/4 and semi final opponents! He is going to do very well in the pro's!

He'd want to get a move on then....

Johner

What age is he?

walshb

Still young, maybe 23 or 24 now....

alanceltic

I have been saying it for 2 years now that Sutcliffe is the future of pro boxing. He is just so exciting to watch and thats in the amateurs!!! I rekon he has the ability to be a bid draw when he turns pro ....IF he is handled correctly..

The amateur game really doesnt do his skills justice and he likes nothing more than to suck it up in a toe to toe scrap and dish it right back.

jayroyal

He is only 21 lads so still very young, i'd say he'll hook up with jamie kav after the Olympics. Luke Keller said on eastside he's the hardest puncher he's been in with and he's 75kgs.

jmil90

Tickets for the finals are €30 €40 and €50.

Finals begin at 7.45 with the full list of bouts here;

RED CORNER BLUE CORNER
1. 49kg Evan Metcalfe (Crumlin) V Paddy Barnes (Holy Family GG)
2. 52kg Michael Conlan (St John Bosco) V Christopher Phelan (Ryston)
3. 56kg John Joe Nevin (Cavan) V Tyrone McCullagh (Holy Family GG)
4. 60kg Katie Taylor (Bray) W/O
5. 60kg Michael McDonagh (St Marys Dublin) V David Oliver Joyce (St Michaels Athy)
6. 64kg Ross Hickey (Grangecon/Army) V Philip Sutcliffe (Crumlin)
7. 69kg Karl Brabazon (St Saviours OBA) V Adam Nolan (Bray)
8. 75kg Patricia Roddy (Bray) V Sinead Kavangh (Drimnagh)
9. 75kg Darren O Neill (Paulstown) V Jason Quigley (Finn Valley)
10. 81kg Kenneth Egan (Neilstown) V Joe Ward (Moate)
11. 91kg Con Sheehan (Clonmel) V Patrick Corcoran (Olympic)
12. 91+ Cathal McMonagle (Holy Trinity) V Kenneth Okungbowa (Athlone)

walshb

Tickets still available, 087 2511772 is a contact number for getting tickets
for the finals