Tractor on Motorway(before court)

Berty

If posted already please delete.

Tractor drivers gets a slap on the wrist.

http://www.limerickpost.ie/index.php/navigation-mainmenu-30/local-news/2750-tractor-drove-too-slow-on-motorway.html?ref=nf

Bollocks to that. Should have thrown the book at him. I have ALWAYS seen him on the Motorway and have reported him numerous times.

Technoprisoner

Berty wrote: »

If posted already please delete.

Tractor drivers gets a slap on the wrist.

http://www.limerickpost.ie/index.php/navigation-mainmenu-30/local-news/2750-tractor-drove-too-slow-on-motorway.html?ref=nf

Bollocks to that. Should have thrown the book at him. I have ALWAYS seen him on the Motorway and have reported him numerous times.

must have been a quite week in the news in limerick lol

jimmyw

Driving too slowly? I thought tractors are not suppose to be on the motorway AT ALL!!

doOh

yeap ... no tractors at all ... ;/ ive seen him couple times as well

Heroditas

This bit depresses me:

a judge said he had “seen many things before the court”, but that this was the first case of its kind he had seen.

How many times have we seen tractors on the motorway yet this is the first case of this kind that the judge has seen!

sdanseo

Strikes me the judge had no time for the law at all and was surprised he had to bother his hole dealing with it. Judge should be sacked for failing to deal with the matter, presuming all else was in order and Garda turned up. Leading by example and all that.

Berty

Next time I see the tractor, and he obviously WILL be back(knowing the courts couldn't care less) I will report him again and again and again.

I once saw Limerick County Council driving a JCB on the M7 and contacted them by e-mail to be told they didn't have a JCB so it couldn't have been them. Turns out it was a "Cat" but they were denying it through the pedantics of my claim of it being a JCB. Tossers.

shogunpower

turns out you didn't know the huge difference between a "CAT" and a jcb, tosser,:rolleyes::D

Berty

shogunpower wrote: »

turns out you didn't know the huge difference between a "CAT" and a jcb, tosser,:rolleyes::D

Is there? I was told there was a massive difference when I tried to point out the minor differences. Also doing 120kmhish and he was doing less than 50kmh

JCB



CAT

squod

A tractor pulling a low loader was said to be doing 70mph while escaping Guarda on the M1 close to Collen in todays paper. Obviously some tractor can move it when they want to.

testicle

Heroditas wrote: »

How many times have we seen tractors on the motorway yet this is the first case of this kind that the judge has seen!

Limerick hasn't had motorways for very long.

squod wrote: »

A tractor pulling a low loader was said to be doing 70mph while escaping Guarda on the M1 close to Collen in todays paper. Obviously some tractor can move it when they want to.

JCB Fastrac I assume. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JCB_Fastrac

Berty

squod wrote: »

A tractor pulling a low loader was said to be doing 70mph while escaping Guarda on the M1 close to Collen in todays paper. Obviously some tractor can move it when they want to.

When I spoke to Traffic Corps months back about somebody driving on the M7 in a Tractor, probably this guy, I was told

"As long as he can keep it above 50km/h on a consistent basis then its ok".

There is no way this guy could to be honest.

Those big ass new fandangly tractor units probably can but not this one. See the picture in the link though. Somebody had obviously bothered to take a picture of it while reporting it as well.

McConkey

Like ye say....once its over 50 kmph then they are not seen as causing a problem....most tractors would be capable of 30 mph I would imagine.

Notice he was charged with the offence of driving too slowly not of acutally being on the motorway itself so they would actually need proof that he was driving below 50 kmph then?

maidhc

McConkey wrote: »

Notice he was charged with the offence of driving too slowly not of acutally being on the motorway itself so they would actually need proof that he was driving below 50 kmph then?

Most likely.

Most tractors (i.e. low to mid spec from the past 15 years) have a 40km/h box, and cannot drive on a motorway. A lot of modern mid/high spec tractors from the past 5 years have 50km/h boxes and can drive legally on a motorway.

I assume the pic in the link is just a stock photo, but it looks like a 20 series John Deere, which could have either a 40k or 50k box depending on the model.

snowman707

McConkey wrote: »

Like ye say....once its over 50 kmph then they are not seen as causing a problem....most tractors would be capable of 30 mph I would imagine.

Notice he was charged with the offence of driving too slowly not of acutally being on the motorway itself so they would actually need proof that he was driving below 50 kmph then?

one of our lads was pulled on the M7 last year and the pr1ck of a g**** of accused him of driving too slow, he politely told the officer he was clocking 52kph which got the response , "you couldn't have been this yoke isn't capable"

they then told him to drive a head and they would follow him , he was clocking 53kph on the dash computer when the patrol car passed him and disappeared

there are however rules due to come limiting tractors to 40kph which would make them illegal on motorways , won't worry us however, after 30 years we have pulled the plug and my son is setting business in the North

just sick and tired of trying to work by the rule book down here any more

Berty, keep reporting, and maybe while your'e at it report the criminal activity on your own door step in your home town, i heard it's not safe to live there anymore since a certain element moved in from the city

101sean

I thought there was a proposed change to the law restricting all tractors to 40kph, thus effectively banning them from motorways?

Will upset contractors who use tractors instead of proper low loaders :rolleyes:

Berty

maidhc wrote: »

I assume the pic in the link is just a stock photo, but it looks like a 20 series John Deere, which could have either a 40k or 50k box depending on the model.

Nope, actual stretch of the road from the Newport Road Roundabout to the Tipperary flyover. Some zoom on the camera to be fair though.

I was taking the exit one day when the tractor moved from the hard shoulder into the left lane so he wouldnt cut across the chevrons. Instead I had to swerve into the overtaking lane nearly causing a car to go into the central reservation. I then had to accelerate back to get in front of the tractor and trailer to actually take the exit. That's when I first called it in.

Berty

snowman707 wrote: »

Berty, keep reporting, and maybe while your'e at it report the criminal activity on your own door step in your home town, i heard it's not safe to live there anymore since a certain element moved in from the city

Mitch Buchannon

I'd imagine there would be no problem for this tractor doing 120kph. :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lmE17Dg23w

Juniorhurler

Berty wrote: »

When I spoke to Traffic Corps months back about somebody driving on the M7 in a Tractor, probably this guy, I was told

"As long as he can keep it above 50km/h on a consistent basis then its ok".

There is no way this guy could to be honest.

Those big ass new fandangly tractor units probably can but not this one. See the picture in the link though. Somebody had obviously bothered to take a picture of it while reporting it as well.

Thats a modern John Deere in the picture. No problems with that doing 50kph. There are tractors out there that will do more too.

Berty

Juniorhurler wrote: »

Thats a modern John Deere in the picture. No problems with that doing 50kph. There are tractors out there that will do more too.

I doubt the tractor can do 50km/h pulling that track machine on the trailer. If anything, if you could argue that it "could" do 50km/h that it is "failure to make progress".

Testament1

Berty wrote: »

I doubt the tractor can do 50km/h pulling that track machine on the trailer. If anything, if you could argue that it "could" do 50km/h that it is "failure to make progress".

Have you ever driven a 20 series John Deere? Unless you have a constant uphill pull then there should be no bother with keeping it at 50km/h (presuming it is a 50k model, hard to tell from a photo). Our 6920 has no bother keeping to her top speed on level going with a track machine on a low loader.

Testament1

101sean wrote: »

I thought there was a proposed change to the law restricting all tractors to 40kph, thus effectively banning them from motorways?

Will upset contractors who use tractors instead of proper low loaders :rolleyes:

What do you mean "proper" low loaders? Are you saying that something like this isnt a "proper" low loader?

galwaytt

Berty wrote: »

Is there? I was told there was a massive difference when I tried to point out the minor differences. Also doing 120kmhish and he was doing less than 50kmh

JCB



CAT

....this reply is useless without pics of the alleged....................tosser

galwaytt

from www.rotr.ie

Indeed, the rule is that vehicles not capable of driving at 50km/h are barred from motorways.

So, in the absence of a regulation to the contrary, a vehicle that is capable of 50km/h, is not actually required to drive at 50km/h on the motorway, which is why the judge had no choice but to dismiss the charge.....

slimjimmc

jimmyw wrote: »

Driving too slowly? I thought tractors are not suppose to be on the motorway AT ALL!!

doOh wrote: »

yeap ... no tractors at all ... ;/ ive seen him couple times as well

Unfortunately there's no law preventing a tractor driving on a motor if it is capable of driving safely (i.e. stable on the road) at a speed over 50km/h. Also note there is no law which requires it to actually drive at 50km/h or more. It could legally do 40km/h, just like a car or truck or motor cycle could legally do.
It's something that needs to be addressed.
[edit]Galwaytt's post above is spot on[/edit]

Berty wrote: »

I doubt the tractor can do 50km/h pulling that track machine on the trailer. If anything, if you could argue that it "could" do 50km/h that it is "failure to make progress".

but "failure to make progress" is not a road traffic offence, just a demerit in your driving test. You can be done for hindering/obstructing traffic but since it's a motorway with an overtaking lane it would be extremely difficult to prove traffic was hindered or obstructed.

mickdw

Berty wrote: »

Is there? I was told there was a massive difference when I tried to point out the minor differences. Also doing 120kmhish and he was doing less than 50kmh

JCB



CAT

To be fair they are pretty hard to mix up. If someone posted here and mixed up a focus with an astra for example, we would find it pretty hard to understand.

sdanseo

Mitch Buchannon wrote: »

I'd imagine there would be no problem for this tractor doing 120kph. :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lmE17Dg23w

Bloody appaling driving. He should be hung out to dry for that.

maidhc

mickdw wrote: »

To be fair they are pretty hard to mix up. If someone posted here and mixed up a focus with an astra for example, we would find it pretty hard to understand.

more like mixing up a BMW 316i and a Mercedes S-Class!

996tt

Think the guards need to cop on and look at the bigger issue, my issue with tractors on the motorway is as follows:

-Most are hauling goods for hire which should mean that they have to use normal road diesel not Agri diesel(nearly half price), take a guess what most of them use,
-Most tractor tyres are are not designed for motorway work (ie constant high speed with a heavy trailer),
-Are they insured properly, normal farm insurance does not cover transport for hire,
-Tractors dont have to do any kind of road worthy test,
-Tractors avail of very cheap agri road tax,
-Tractors can be driven by a 16yo, considering that most tractors on the motorway are hauling goods up to 20tonnes, is this not dangerous? compare the strict licensing process for a truck driver which would carry a similar load, how can we expect a child to be able to control 20tonnes if something goes wrong,
-Trailers are shocking, trailers carrying 20tonnes should be tested like truck trailers, they are not. They should have air brakes, proper lights, proper tyres,
-Hauliers have to adhere to driving hours, expensive insurance, hire qualified drivers, pay for road diesel, pay expensive road tax, pay an annual operators licence, tractors do not are taking work from a safe regulated industry to a dangerous unregulated industry.

Basically tractors receive huge concessions because of what they are designed for, thats farming(and the genuine farmers deserve these concessions) not driving up and down motorways holding people up.

While its not illegal you can say the same thing about a car doing 51kph. In my mind its the same thing, a really dangerous selfish thing to do because you are putting peoples lives at risk.

opinion guy

Mitch Buchannon wrote: »

I'd imagine there would be no problem for this tractor doing 120kph. :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lmE17Dg23w

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

That thing is a death machine!
Imagine if he crashed - the weight of the hunk of metal he is on would fubar who ever he hit and he would literally be launched into orbit himself!!!!

Anan1

mickdw wrote: »

To be fair they are pretty hard to mix up. If someone posted here and mixed up a focus with an astra for example, we would find it pretty hard to understand.

maidhc wrote: »

more like mixing up a BMW 316i and a Mercedes S-Class!

I'm sure a lot of us would make right eejits of ourselves over on Tractors, but this is Motors.;)

Kilmac1

Im sorry but if any of you are farmers you will know that if he drove through town people will complain and cars would probs be damaged etc. so make your ****ing mind up the motorway is mostly clear and hes on the shoulder now unless you drive in the left hand or the hard shoulder your whole journey i dnt see your problem also i think youve to much time on your hands. how about you spend a day without using something that hasnt came from a farm or farmer or been built by a digger? id say it would be a bit hard. what do you think now stop complaining. cause most of the stuff you use or have are produced by hard working farmers have a bit of respect and next time a guard stops you (a farmer) ask him were the leather for his shoes came from

barney 20v

sure most guards are farmers sons! come on like!
farmers are second only to travelers in the constant abuse of the public roads and the rules that govern them.
A law onto themselves, and don't get me started about the muck they pull out and leave all over the rural roads..the county councils nationwide have had to rethink the way they leave the roads during /after road improvements etc but they turn a blind eye to the state the agri sector leaves the roads....

Kilmac1

well put it this way to you barney do you eat beef? and drink milk?

barney 20v

well i'll put it this way my dear man.. i am a father of two young kids and i have to drive on the roads after they pull out there muck an clay onto the public road.... most farmers around here ignore the law about leaving the road in an unsafe condition.... just because they produce food does not mean they are exempt from the law!

Kilmac1

im not saying they (we) are but their is no time to spend time clean up after because we have to earn a living and also contractors dont have time to stop and clean them because most of them are paid by hour or acreage and cant afford to stop. but if we stop to clean the roads you would still complain because of it.

barney 20v

Kilmac1 wrote: »

im not saying they (we) are but their is no time to spend time clean up after because we have to earn a living and also contractors dont have time to stop and clean them because most of them are paid by hour or acreage and cant afford to stop. but if we stop to clean the roads you would still complain because of it.

I also have to earn a living.... BUT! i have to comply with the law of the land while doing so...... you/"they" do not have the time to clean the PUBLIC road because you/"they" have poor working conditions/rates of pay? ? ? come on now,
So lets get this straight, the general public are placed in danger daily by you and your type even though the law forbids you/them to leave the road in an unsafe manner but it is OK because you " dont have time to stop and clean them"
but sure ye rear cattle so your exempt from the law!! great life ye farmers have!

Kilmac1

the councils put everyone driving in danger because of potholes dont they? auck sure will throw a shole a gravel in it itll be grand...... why dont you ask they goverment that wee pay all this money to, to clean the roads? instead of them sitting on their arses?

barney 20v

or why don't the people who make the roads unsafe ie you and the rest of the farmers clean the roads.. you do know you are legally obliged to leave the road in a safe condition? ?
Ignorance to the law is no excuse, like i mentioned before farmers and agri contractors get away with murder day in day out and unfortunately its only a matter of time imho before a major accident is caused by this carry on..
It took the terrible tragic accident in Meath to get the councils to cop on to the unsafe manner they were leaving the roads in, will it take something similar before the farmers cop on they are putting lives at risk?
your attitude seems to match most of farmers i know in my locality to be honest.

Crasp

I'm not taking sides here at all.




But on a motorbike, the mud/**** that comes out from fields and continues for a half a mile down the road is as bad as ice. I mean there is no grip on that surface. Especially in the wet.


It's not just farmers, you get the same mud at construction sites.

And potholes neglected by the council are also a very serious hazard on a bike.



It's just to inform farmers that the mud is a serious hazard. you wouldn't notice it in a car, and it would be easy to think "ah, it'll be fine" but really there is no stopping a bike on that mud, you'll be off and under the wheel of a lorry before you know it.

Kilmac1

we do realise that it is a danger but it takes time and money to do it and i heard the insurance companies take the same view on cleaning the roads as gritting so.....

MunsterCycling

Kilmac1 wrote: »

the councils put everyone driving in danger because of potholes dont they? auck sure will throw a shole a gravel in it itll be grand...... why dont you ask they goverment that wee pay all this money to, to clean the roads? instead of them sitting on their arses?

Because Farmers are the ones who leave it covered in muck and they are obliged to ensure the roadway is left is a safe condition after they use it.

Berty

Tractors and Motorways. Lets say the tractor is not taking the next exit. It must cut across the offramp and the chevrons and then back across the next onramp.

The hard shoulder is NOT a driving lane.
The Chevrons CANNOT be crossed.
The tractor is NOT allowed on the Motorway(below km/h ability)
Stay on the N roads and R roads. The Motorways were not built for your ease of travel.

vetstu

Berty wrote: »

The tractor is NOT allowed on the Motorway(below km/h ability)

You're wrong!. Modern tractors can have 50k boxes in them. There is no law saying you can't do below 50 on a motorway, just that the vehicle must be capable of doing it.

demag

Kilmac1 wrote: »

Im sorry but if any of you are farmers you will know that if he drove through town people will complain and cars would probs be damaged etc. so make your ****ing mind up the motorway is mostly clear and hes on the shoulder now unless you drive in the left hand or the hard shoulder your whole journey i dnt see your problem also i think youve to much time on your hands. how about you spend a day without using something that hasnt came from a farm or farmer or been built by a digger? id say it would be a bit hard. what do you think now stop complaining. cause most of the stuff you use or have are produced by hard working farmers have a bit of respect and next time a guard stops you (a farmer) ask him were the leather for his shoes came from

What do you mean "cars would probs be damaged etc"? 40 foot trucks can manage through most towns, either you're a bad driver or you've got a dangerous load either way stay off the road.
You have to earn respect.
I really really hope you come across the wrong guard some time and try that line about the leather in his shoes sometime.

If you want to do road or plant haulage ( not just farm goods ), get a hauliers licence, insurance, white diesel, a professional driver and tie your fukin loads properly, I've often seen 2 ratchet straps to hold a 15+ tonne digger, might as well use my ball hairs to tie it down. The sooner the better these clowns are taken off the roads the better.
Personally I think you have to be a little bit retarded to drive a tractor on a motorway with the fact that you are doing less than half the speed of most vehicles around you, usually with no lights on the trailer(though this seems to be getting better) or have the rear spotlights turned on making sure to blind anybody behind you.

Satanta

demag wrote: »

or have the rear spotlights turned on making sure to blind anybody behind you.

ohhh hate that. flipping hate it

demag

demag wrote: »

I've often seen 2 ratchet straps to hold a 15+ tonne digger, might as well use my ball hairs to tie it down.

I never bothered tying down excavators atall to be honest (ones over 10 or 12 tonne anyway), they are not going to move an inch on a lowloader. Two straps would hold a teleporter solid even on the winding back roads I used to be driving the tractor on day in day out, as fast as I could and with hard braking etc

It may go against the popular opinion but I dont really have a problem with a tractor on a motorway. If it has a 50k box and is well lit its not like you cannot see it ahead of you on motorways so it doesnt cause a problem unless you are not even half watching where your going.

Its also much better than holding up traffic on the other roads which is also helpful from a drivers perspective as you are not under pressure to be pulling in and trying to get back up to speed with a heavy load etc.

Kilmac1

Aye ano they can uncle has 20 45footers and he hate making them go through towns cause you get pricks who just pull up any****ing where and leave the car.
and dameg im a very good driver.
you ever drove a 45 ft triaxle truck through town or down a small country lane?

used it a few times and worked out fine

Juniorhurler

barney 20v wrote: »

sure most guards are farmers sons! come on like!
farmers are second only to travelers in the constant abuse of the public roads and the rules that govern them.
A law onto themselves, and don't get me started about the muck they pull out and leave all over the rural roads..the county councils nationwide have had to rethink the way they leave the roads during /after road improvements etc but they turn a blind eye to the state the agri sector leaves the roads....

Wexico? I presume you are a dub living in Wexford so. I am a farmer from Wexford and resent this stereotyping. If I came on here saying all dubs were the cause of all of our anti social behaviour in North Wexford you would be outraged, so please don't stereotype.

By the way when I dirty a road I drive back along it with a tanker of clean water and wash the road. I do this when I am finished. This means the road may be dirty for a day but will be cleaned as I cannot do my work and clean the road at the same time.

demag

Kilmac1 wrote: »

Aye ano they can uncle has 20 45footers and he hate making them go through towns cause you get pricks who just pull up any****ing where and leave the car.
and dameg im a very good driver.
you ever drove a 45 ft triaxle truck through town or down a small country lane?

used it a few times and worked out fine

Haven't driven a truck much but have driven a Terex TC2800 for a good while, 3m wide, 18m long, 8 axles and rear steering, never hit anything.