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Mysterious Fish, Bird and animal deaths

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,733 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    uprising2 wrote: »
    I don't actually have a theory on it, maybe it's the start of a worldwide trend, maybe it's manmade, maybe it's natural, maybe it's divine.
    But one thing is for sure it's strange.

    Agree with this completely. A few of these cases on their own, probably a reasonable explanation. But all of these cases in a relatively short space of time.... very odd. No idea what's going on


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    It does seem odd. I imagine part of it is that information on this stuff is shared worldwide in a way that wouldn't have happened before due to the web, but it's not an entirely satisfactory explanation.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,182 ✭✭✭nyarlothothep


    Do you think its part of global de-population tests, georgia guidestones, new age in the Mayan Calendar and all that?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,869 ✭✭✭Mahatma coat


    Whoooooooooah, this **** is STILL happenin, must spend less time at the Farm:eek:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,750 ✭✭✭liah


    It seems fairly likely that it's something to do with the recent pole shifting; those animals seem to navigate via magnetism so if the poles get changed it could throw them off balance, not to mention animals tend to be more highly perceptive to natural happenings (say, big weather changes for example) so it could be some combination of the two. Animals are a lot more sensitive than we are when it comes to things like this, I don't think a natural explanation is that unreasonable.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,225 ✭✭✭Yitzhak Rabin


    liah wrote: »
    It seems fairly likely that it's something to do with the recent pole shifting; those animals seem to navigate via magnetism so if the poles get changed it could throw them off balance, not to mention animals tend to be more highly perceptive to natural happenings (say, big weather changes for example) so it could be some combination of the two. Animals are a lot more sensitive than we are when it comes to things like this, I don't think a natural explanation is that unreasonable.

    Wait, are you saying that the poles have shifted or that if they shifted that could be a reason?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,750 ✭✭✭liah


    yekahS wrote: »
    Wait, are you saying that the poles have shifted or that if they shifted that could be a reason?

    I could've sworn that they already did and/or are currently shifting, I remember reading a few articles on it maybe two weeks ago, give or take?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,225 ✭✭✭Yitzhak Rabin


    liah wrote: »
    I could've sworn that they already did and/or are currently shifting, I remember reading a few articles on it maybe two weeks ago, give or take?

    I had a quick search, and didn't come across anything, except a few fairly dubious sources.

    If you remember where you read it let us know :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,750 ✭✭✭liah




  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,225 ✭✭✭Yitzhak Rabin


    Cheers, I mistakenly thought you meant a magnetic reversal.

    The thing is that this is not something unusual and has been going on continuously for centuries, so I don't think that it can explain the sudden increase in mass animal deaths.

    From the article:
    The magnetic north pole is always slowly moving and is currently heading towards Russia from its current position in far northern Canada. The magnetic north pole moves by around 64 km (40 miles) a year because of changes within the Earth’s core (unlike the true north pole which moves very slowly due to tectonic plate movements). It has moved from extremes of around 10 degrees east in the late 16th century to 25 degrees west early in the 19th century, and is now at around 3 degrees west. The north and south magnetic poles can also switch places, and this last happened about 780,000 years ago

    ...

    Such changes are not that unusual, however, with Stansted Airport in London having to do the same thing in 2009, redesignating its 3,000 meter runway 23/05 as 22/04.

    So while the deaths may be related to the magnetic field, and almost certainly (imo) has a natural explanation, I don't think that the natural drift of the magnetic poles is the cause.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,822 ✭✭✭iPlop


    Yeah there has been a lot of chatter on the net about the new EAS (emergency Alert system) the americans are going to start testing with the public.It seems to have a lot of people spooked.I think it's just an upgrade of their current system which is 50 years old ,but some paranoid people think something is coming which is why they're doing this ,pole shifts etc..
    There's never been a test from top to bottom where it's issued by FEMA and it goes straight down to all the different levels of EAS to the American public," she said. "So this is a way for us to glean, okay, if there were an actual emergency and the federal government needed to activate the presidential EAS, making sure that it actually works the way it's designed to."

    link


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    liah wrote: »
    I could've sworn that they already did and/or are currently shifting, I remember reading a few articles on it maybe two weeks ago, give or take?
    I think they are constantly shifting slightly, but I'm subject to correction there.

    edit: ah, sources were posted - should have read the whole thread before posting...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,205 ✭✭✭espinolman


    Is it methane that is killing them !
    Methane was maybe released when the planet was vibrating .
    What is causing it ? Maybe this comet coming up under the earth . And its called comet elenin , the number eleven :eek: .

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuiytccnLV8&feature=feedu


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    espinolman wrote: »
    What is causing it ? Maybe this comet coming up under the earth . And its called comet elenin , the number eleven :eek: .
    Why would a comet cause methane release? The earth probably experiences greater gravitational stresses from my shoe than it does from a comet out in space.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,205 ✭✭✭espinolman


    Why would a comet cause methane release? The earth probably experiences greater gravitational stresses from my shoe than it does from a comet out in space.

    A planet is like a magnet , it has a north and south pole , there is a comet coming in to the solar system and its passing under the south pole of the earth , the theory is that it will lock onto earth like a magnet and shake the earth and maybe it already has started , i hear its the 15th of march .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,405 ✭✭✭gizmo


    espinolman wrote: »
    A planet is like a magnet , it has a north and south pole , there is a comet coming in to the solar system and its passing under the south pole of the earth , the theory is that it will lock onto earth like a magnet and shake the earth and maybe it already has started , i hear its the 15th of march .
    The Ides of March, how suitably apt. :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    espinolman wrote: »
    A planet is like a magnet , it has a north and south pole , there is a comet coming in to the solar system and its passing under the south pole of the earth , the theory is that it will lock onto earth like a magnet and shake the earth and maybe it already has started , i hear its the 15th of march .
    I think we'd all have noticed if the earth was shaking! They would probably mention it on the news too. I think the comet/methane theory is rather lacking in evidence. Bear in mind that the moon is a lot larger than the comet and is a lot closer - and it moves the oceans around the planet every day. I don't think a distant comet is going to have any affect at all.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,822 ✭✭✭iPlop


    I think we'd all have noticed if the earth was shaking! They would probably mention it on the news too. I think the comet/methane theory is rather lacking in evidence. Bear in mind that the moon is a lot larger than the comet and is a lot closer - and it moves the oceans around the planet every day. I don't think a distant comet is going to have any affect at all.

    I blame youtube it's their fault!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 252 ✭✭alanajane


    Anyone any thoughts on the seemingly mysterious deaths of the two race horses at Newbury??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,749 ✭✭✭tony 2 tone


    alanajane wrote: »
    Anyone any thoughts on the seemingly mysterious deaths of the two race horses at Newbury??

    Electrocution? Faulty wire buried in the ground supposedly. Seemingly those two horses had steel shoes, while two others that that only got mildly shocked had aluminium shoes.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭uprising2


    2005
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    2008

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    2009
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    2010
    148457.jpg
    2010 map is here http://bit.ly/g9iNLA
    2009 map is here http://bit.ly/f3LEJP
    2008 map is here http://bit.ly/hInhx8
    2007 map is here http://bit.ly/gcnYcO
    2006 map is here http://bit.ly/fhXal3
    2005 map is here http://bit.ly/h2ftk9

    According to these maps of Mass Animal Death, there seems to be a BIG increase in the past couple of years, if you click the first link to 2011 then click on the indicator it gives a brief summary and links.
    Then I came across this:
    First it was mass animal deaths and now mass animal groupings?
    Some fins up! 100,000 sharks mass off Florida's beaches

    'Super pack' of 400 wolves terrorise remote Russian town after killing 30 horses in just four days

    Strange to say the least and seemingly getting stranger.
    Overeating and indigestion blamed for 1,000 turtle doves falling dead in Italy with strange blue stain on their beaks


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭uprising2


    Just to add,

    Animal kills run rampant
    So far, 2011 has been a bad year for Mother Nature.
    It started with thousands of red wing blackbirds falling mysteriously from the sky on the first day of the new year in the small town of Beebe, Arkansas.
    People have been quick to start their own conspiracies, despite the government assuring us that nothing is wrong. UFO’s, chemicals and poisons, and, even an apocalyptic prophecy, have been discussed by the American people as the answer to these mysterious occurrences.
    http://my.hsj.org/Schools/Newspaper/tabid/100/view/frontpage/schoolid/2960/articleid/413739/newspaperid/3041/Animal_kills_run_rampant.aspx


    The Norwegian broadcasting Cooperation (NRK) reports of large amounts of dead fish found in Kjerringfjorden at Stjernøya in northern parts of Norway. At the moment, no ne can say where the fish originally comes from. And even more odd – no one can say for sure what kind of fish it is.
    mystisk-fisk2.jpg?w=604&h=340

    I blame the man with an ear ring too!:p
    Zoo blames mystery man for animal deaths

    Although the zoo has offered a culprit for the recent deaths, a man “with dark hair and an earring,” the true culprit remains a mystery, and animal activists have started to point the finger of blame towards the zoo, and the general feeling about town is that the zoo is treating its animals negligently; only a few weeks ago a bison died and two yaks fell ill.
    http://www.kiev-life.com/news/news/20-Zoo_blames_mystery_man_for_animal_deaths

    Bed time!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 476 ✭✭Carra23


    Surprised nobody has mentioned the BP oil spill , is that a possible reason ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,750 ✭✭✭liah


    Carra23 wrote: »
    Surprised nobody has mentioned the BP oil spill , is that a possible reason ?

    There may be a correlation there between the fish and water-faring birds but what about the rest?

    Keeping in mind that correlation doesn't always equal causation.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭uprising2


    Carra23 wrote: »
    Surprised nobody has mentioned the BP oil spill , is that a possible reason ?

    The very first post, by me:
    "It's all so sudden aswell, I suppose most the fish killed off the coast of USA can be blamed on BP and the chemical dispersants used, but it doesn't account for most of it."


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78 ✭✭Paul.M92


    OK imagine the earth is a 24 hour clock. And we are only at the 10 minute mark. Think of this, super-civilisations bigger than Dublin no New York. Imagine the earths oxygen levels dropping as the carbon monoxide rises to kill off mamals:eek:. The animals die, the native species worry, councils are called, papers signed. Then, the high levels of CO2 rises and it causes the earths crust to break and magma to come rushing out! Everything is swallowed up. Women, children, cities animals and memories. All gone, washed out, irrecognisable. All traces of DNA gone. This is what happening and we should be ready. What do you guys think of my theory???:confused::confused::confused::confused:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭uprising2


    Paul.M92 wrote: »
    OK imagine the earth is a 24 hour clock. And we are only at the 10 minute mark. Think of this, super-civilisations bigger than Dublin no New York. Imagine the earths oxygen levels dropping as the carbon monoxide rises to kill off mamals:eek:. The animals die, the native species worry, councils are called, papers signed. Then, the high levels of CO2 rises and it causes the earths crust to break and magma to come rushing out! Everything is swallowed up. Women, children, cities animals and memories. All gone, washed out, irrecognisable. All traces of DNA gone. This is what happening and we should be ready. What do you guys think of my theory???:confused::confused::confused::confused:


    Q: What do you guys think of my theory???
    A: It's original.;)


    Super civilisations BIGGER than Dublin:eek:, that I don't believe.
    Everything is swallowed up. Women, children, cities animals and memories. All gone, washed out, irrecognisable. All traces of DNA gone. This is what happening and we should be ready.

    Right we're at the 10 minute mark on the 24hr clock, I'll be gone and so will my great grandchildren by the 12 minute mark, so I better make a magma proof time capsule with instructions "Do not open until 23:59", then once opened, it explodes and kills them and they dont have to suffer or be washed away by magma.

    Really you should have started a new thread about this theory, because firstly it has absolutely nothing to do with mysterious animal deaths occuring now, and by reading it, I'd imagine it's just popped into your head as you were writing it, and the more you think of it the more you'll need to change and alter it, and you'll keep coming to this thread to update it.


  • Posts: 6,025 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Carra23 wrote: »
    Surprised nobody has mentioned the BP oil spill , is that a possible reason ?

    I agree with you. That had to have had a devastating effect.

    Saw this today, dead baby dolphins washing up along Gulf Coast.

    http://current.com/news/93014392_baby-dolphins-are-washing-up-dead-along-the-gulf.htm


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭uprising2


    Millions of dead anchovies swamp L.A.-area marina

    LOS ANGELES | Tue Mar 8, 2011 1:50pm EST

    LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Millions of anchovies washed up dead early on Tuesday in the harbor area of Redondo Beach, California, just south of Los Angeles, puzzling authorities and triggering a cleanup effort.
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/08/us-fish-dieoff-idUSTRE7275EZ20110308?feedType=RSS&feedName=domesticNews
    Fish%20Die%20Off_Norm(2).jpg
    March 8: Dead fish float in the King Harbor area of Redondo Beach, south of Los Angeles. An estimated million fish turned up dead on Tuesday, puzzling authorities and triggering a cleanup effort.
    "All indications are it's a naturally occurring event," said Andrew Hughan, a California Fish and Game spokesman at the scene.
    Hughan said water samples showed no oils or chemicals that could have contributed to the deaths. He said some of the fish were being shipped to a Fish and Game laboratory for study but the cause was likely to be uncomplicated.
    The fish appeared to have come into the marina during the night and probably couldn't find their way out, he said.
    "The simplest explanation is the fish got lost. ... They get confused easily," he said


    'Millions' of dead fish surface in Redondo Beach marina.
    This BBC reporter recons it was caused by high winds outside the harbour??
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-12683360

    20110308_104234_fishphoto08a_500.jpg


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,869 ✭✭✭Mahatma coat


    Bugger, beaten to it, Very Feckin odd tho init.


  • Posts: 6,025 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I posted on this story yesterday, Weird as F***.

    trying to say wind may be the cause?

    Methane, more like.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,857 ✭✭✭✭Dave!


    Jake1 wrote: »
    I posted on this story yesterday, Weird as F***.

    trying to say wind may be the cause?

    Methane, more like.
    What do you mean? Sounds like a reasonable explanation. There was a storm off the coast with strong winds, as well as a school of migrating whales, which forced the fish to seek shelter. The huge numbers struggled to escape, exhausted the oxygen, and so suffocated.

    It is acknowledged that it's rare and unusual, though.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭uprising2


    Dave! wrote: »
    What do you mean? Sounds like a reasonable explanation. There was a storm off the coast with strong winds, as well as a school of migrating whales, which forced the fish to seek shelter. The huge numbers struggled to escape, exhausted the oxygen, and so suffocated.

    It is acknowledged that it's rare and unusual, though.

    Is it only anchovies that need to shelter from winds and whales?, why wasn't there an assortment of dead fish?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    uprising2 wrote: »
    Is it only anchovies that need to shelter from winds and whales?, why wasn't there an assortment of dead fish?
    Perhaps there are vastly larger numbers of anchovies in those waters than other fish, and the dead whales are easy to spot, as they are...whales.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,857 ✭✭✭✭Dave!


    Dunno -- fish travel in schools, so other fish might have been disinclined to try and petentrate a group of a million anchovies? And just because that particular school sought refuge in that area doesn't mean that others will follow them or something -- maybe the other schools found some rocks to hide behind?

    I'm no fish expert, but it sounds superficially reasonable to me.


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  • Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    over a hundred beached Whales in New Zealand 48 hours before the Christchurch earthquake.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    over a hundred beached Whales in New Zealand 48 hours before the Christchurch earthquake.
    So are you leaning towards natural causes on this one? Although of course we are missing a causal link between the mass-beaching and the earthquake.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,225 ✭✭✭Yitzhak Rabin


    A load of swans are dying or dead in the grand canal in Dublin. Probably a pollutant I'd say, as there are a load of dead fish too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    I read about that. They're claiming that swans are very suseptible to bacteria, so what ever killed the fish, quickly got to them. Bizarre.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,869 ✭✭✭Mahatma coat


    So what got the Fish, specifically??


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,941 ✭✭✭caseyann


    They said a toxin caused them to swim into the harbour.

    But the discovery of domoic acid in dead fish — reported Friday by USC biologists — could help explain why millions of sardines swam into the harbor in the first place.http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-dead-fish-20110312,0,5066789.story?track=rss

    Still think its very weird,why so many animals sea and air are dropping dead.:confused:

    Domoic acid is often found in the stomachs of fish that have been feeding on plankton on the ocean's surface during toxic algae blooms. The toxin has been linked to neurological disorders, illnesses and deaths of seabirds, sea lions, sea otters and whales. When it accumulates in edible fish and shellfish, it can sicken humans.
    So all of a sudden they are all dying because of this,i would believe it if we werent seeing mass deaths of them along with Earthquakes and tsunami's and volcanic eruptions.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,857 ✭✭✭✭Dave!


    I've seen it claimed here before, but never looked into it -- does anyone have actual studies/figures/statistics that show that mass deaths have increased this year on previous years?

    I'm genuinely curious, because for all I know this could just be a case of the media suddenly taking an interest in these things, and so reporting them when they haven't given them much attention before.

    Regardless of whether there's been an increase or not, I don't see any 'conspiracy' here, so I'm just curious really.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,869 ✭✭✭Mahatma coat


    something like this Dave?????

    From Page 2 of this thread
    uprising2 wrote: »
    2005
    6034073
    2006
    148452.jpg
    2007
    148453.jpg
    2008

    148454.jpg
    2009
    148456.jpg
    2010
    148457.jpg
    2010 map is here http://bit.ly/g9iNLA
    2009 map is here http://bit.ly/f3LEJP
    2008 map is here http://bit.ly/hInhx8
    2007 map is here http://bit.ly/gcnYcO
    2006 map is here http://bit.ly/fhXal3
    2005 map is here http://bit.ly/h2ftk9

    According to these maps of Mass Animal Death, there seems to be a BIG increase in the past couple of years, if you click the first link to 2011 then click on the indicator it gives a brief summary and links.
    Then I came across this:
    First it was mass animal deaths and now mass animal groupings?
    Some fins up! 100,000 sharks mass off Florida's beaches

    'Super pack' of 400 wolves terrorise remote Russian town after killing 30 horses in just four days

    Strange to say the least and seemingly getting stranger.
    Overeating and indigestion blamed for 1,000 turtle doves falling dead in Italy with strange blue stain on their beaks


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,857 ✭✭✭✭Dave!


    It does show an increase in the last couple of years alright, but those reports only give a pretty small sample, so we can't really extrapolate too much from that. The reports only go back to 1995, a window of about 15 years. Not very wide in the grand scheme of things! There could be peaks in the number of mass deaths every 20 years or somethin, but we can't tell from that data.

    It does show however that mass deaths in the thousands happen on a regular basis, which we knew of course.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭uprising2


    There back!

    Hundreds of dead starfish wash up on Talybont beach
    Several hundred dead starfish have been found washed up on a north Wales beach.
    It comes following the discovery at Talybont, between Harlech and Barmouth in Gwynedd.
    Council maritime officer Barry Davies said it is common for starfish to be washed ashore during spring tides but it was not clear why they had migrated so far up the shoreline.
    Barmouth harbour committee chairman said an inquiry is needed.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-west-wales-12845262


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,857 ✭✭✭✭Dave!


    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2012/0420/breaking1.html
    Hundreds of dolphins found dead

    Scientists and Peruvian officials are investigating the mass death of hundreds of dolphins along the South American country’s coast.

    A total of 877 dolphin carcasses have been counted recently along the shore in the northern regions of Piura and Lambayeque, deputy environment minister Gabriel Quijandria said.

    Officials have been studying possible factors in the dolphins’ deaths including a virus or seismic oil exploration that has recently been carried out off northern Peru.

    An analysis of the beached dolphins’ internal organs hasn’t found the sort of symptoms that experts have seen in other cases when dolphins have been affected by seismic tests, Mr Quijandria said in a radio interview. He said experts are studying whether the animals could have succumbed to a virus.

    “So far, it’s the most probable hypothesis, and it isn’t the first time it’s happened. There have been cases in Peru, in Mexico, the United States,” Mr Quijandria said.

    He said the seismic tests produce underwater noise that can harm dolphins. But he also said that in Peru it is the first time such dolphin deaths have coincided with seismic work and that the dolphins began dying before the tests started.

    Carlos Yaipen, who leads the non-governmental organisation Orca, said the beached dolphins began appearing in January.

    Dolphins have had broken bones in their ears and some of their organs have been collapsed, suggesting that shock waves generated by the seismic tests could have killed them, Mr Yaipen said.

    However, Patricia Majluf, the government’s deputy fisheries minister, said that based on the available evidence officials have not been able to pin down any relationship to oil exploration.

    Government officials have said scientists are carrying out further studies that they expect to finish in about two weeks.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 104 ✭✭outtagetme


    yekahS wrote: »
    Wait, are you saying that the poles have shifted or that if they shifted that could be a reason?

    They've all shifted back to Poland. No jobs in Ireland.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 104 ✭✭outtagetme


    Dave! wrote: »

    I read somewhere also that submarines testing their sonar capabilities can totally fcuk up whales and dolphins.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 353 ✭✭Daffodil.d


    First time post here but this is interesting. Dave mentioned earlier in the thread maybe it follows a 20 year thing. Maybe its connected to solar activity. I don't know enough about it but larger amounts of radiation hitting areas where the ozone layer is thinner? The whales were explained. pilot whales have always beached themselves. apparently its a flaw in their design. The follow a "pilot" which often leads them to end up beached.
    As regards to the virus suggestions I think it's probably the main explanation. The animal kingdom must have fought different types of viruss through the ages much like humans goin through flu pandemics.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,771 ✭✭✭Dude111


    I would say most likely HAARP experiments :(


    VERY,VERY SAD :(


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