Should Ireland reclaim its gas like Bolivia and Russia ?

lucozader

ray burke gave it away for free

4zn76tysfajdxp

But it's not gas, we're in meltdown. No having the craic for us.

Seaneh

Yes we should.

Will we?

No, we won't, because the people who run the country have no interest in doing whats best for the country and just want to do what is best for themselves.

pragmatic1

Yes we should take it back. Ray Burke should be killed.

mikom

lucozader wrote: »

Should ireland reclaim it's gas like bolivia and russia ?

He who smelt it, dealt it.

hawk222

:cool:

Finnegan Most Zombie wrote: »

But it's not gas, we're in meltdown. No having the craic for us.

yea like ur style :D but y should we not Norway taxes the oil companies 78`per cent on it's reserves and has no prabz re; investment or mush els come on IRELAND MAKE A STAND

Seaneh

Speak English for feck sake!

Hank_Jones

lucozader wrote: »

ray burke gave it away for free

Now, now, he surely didn't give it away for free.

He was most likely well compensated.

Einhard

hawk222 wrote: »

:cool:
yea like ur style :D but y should we not Norway taxes the oil companies 78`per cent on it's reserves and has no prabz re; investment or mush els come on IRELAND MAKE A STAND

Because Norway has vast amounts of proven gas and oil supplies. Ireland doesn't. It's hugely expensive to drill test bores and the like, and very few of them ever result in a commercially vaible find. So, in order to make it worthwhile for companies to take such a financial risk, we have to offer more favourable rates than Norway.

Alternatively, we could spend billions of taxpayers money on experimental drills that might never be recouped through finds. I find it strange how people seem to think that Ireland is some form of Atlantic Saudi Arabia.

stoneill

Ray Burke gave this away??

http://www.indymedia.ie/article/82750
A recently published government report shows potential reserves of 130 billion barrels of oil and 50 trillion cubic feet of gas.

Jasus - may his mickey drop off at an inopportune moment.

Einhard

stoneill wrote: »

Ray Burke gave this away??

http://www.indymedia.ie/article/82750
A recently published government report shows potential reserves of 130 billion barrels of oil and 50 trillion cubic feet of gas.

Jasus - may his mickey drop off at an inopportune moment.

This response to the Indymedia article should be forwarded to all those who harp on about Ireland's "vast", easily exploited oil and gas reserves:

Now that the SWP has revealed that vast reserves of oil and gas are just waiting to be plucked from beneath the sea bed off our west coast, why wait for Shell and all the other capitalist exploiters to steal our patrimony?

Seeing all this wealth is such a sure thing, why doesn't the SWP itself hire a drilling rig, and after paying itself the usual average industrial wage for its efforts on behalf of the Irish people, distribute the balance of this fabulous treasure trove of natural resources among the populace?

(And don't let the fact that only one in twenty wells drilled off our west coast has shown hyrdocarbons, and one in thirty has produced a commercial find - Sure, the SWP is good for the money, and it won't need to ask the Irish people to pay up front for the cost of drilling the dry wells.

Unless the Irish left is prepared to meet the REALITIES of economic life with real answers rather than utopian claptrap it will continue to lose the war of ideas. Ignoring or censoring the hard questions will only convince ordinary people that a vote for the left is a vote for the brain-dead.

Now guys and gals of the left - how do you both get the oil out of the ground and also insulate the population of a small nation from the cost risks attendant on surveying and drilling for oil?

I couldn't help but titter.

mconigol

Some people really have no clue how difficult and costly it actually is to extract oil or gas from the ground :rolleyes:

We simply don't have enough accessible reserves to make it anywhere near viable to do this on our own.

We can't even build our own roads ffs! Let alone explore/exploit/process and distribute our own tiny supplies!

Retail Hell

lucozader wrote: »

ray burke gave it away for free

Was Pee Flynn not involved as well???

galwayrush

Einhard wrote: »

Because Norway has vast amounts of proven gas and oil supplies. Ireland doesn't. It's hugely expensive to drill test bores and the like, and very few of them ever result in a commercially vaible find. So, in order to make it worthwhile for companies to take such a financial risk, we have to offer more favourable rates than Norway.

Alternatively, we could spend billions of taxpayers money on experimental drills that might never be recouped through finds. I find it strange how people seem to think that Ireland is some form of Atlantic Saudi Arabia.

I'm sure the money wasted in supporting Anglo Irish Bank would have a potential better return spent on drilling for oil and gas. even if we found nothing, it would have paid a lot of wages rather than sinking it into the black hole that is Anglo. .:rolleyes:

Any case, even if we could support a highly expensive exploration company, our powers that be would find some way of ****ing it up.

mconigol

galwayrush wrote: »

I'm sure the money wasted in supporting Anglo Irish Bank would have a potential better return spent on drilling for oil and gas. even if we found nothing, it would have paid a lot of wages .:rolleyes:

probably not actually...

Coriolanus

galwayrush wrote: »

I'm sure the money wasted in supporting Anglo Irish Bank would have a potential better return spent on drilling for oil and gas. even if we found nothing, it would have paid a lot of wages rather than sinking it into the black hole that is Anglo. .:rolleyes:

Any case, even if we could support a highly expensive exploration company, our powers that be would find some way of ****ing it up.

not Irish wages. Most of the jobs would hqve to go to experienced foreigners. While there are oil workers in Ireland the pool is too small.

galwayrush

mconigol wrote: »

probably not actually...

Anglo's return will always be a massive minus. :rolleyes: The oil / gas has a chance, abet a slim one.

galwayrush

Nevore wrote: »

not Irish wages. Most of the jobs would hqve to go to experienced foreigners. While there are oil workers in Ireland the pool is too small.

That's what i meant by finding ways to **** it up, if we managed to get it up and running..;)

mconigol

galwayrush wrote: »

Anglo's return will always be a massive minus. :rolleyes: The oil / gas has a chance, abet a slim one.

Yeah the return from anglo itself will probably be nothing (maybe not, I don't have a clue to be honest) but you're discounting the effect of saving the banks on the economy as a whole. That return would be vastly greater than what our oil and gas would give.

galwayrush

mconigol wrote: »

Yeah the return from anglo itself will probably be nothing (maybe not, I don't have a clue to be honest) but you're discounting the effect of saving the banks on the economy as a whole. That return would be vastly greater than what our oil and gas would give.

I see the importance of saving BOI and AIB, but not Anglo, the zombie one that is taking the most.

MagicSean

Rabble rabble rabble.

The Irish government will get between 10% and 25% (changes depending on how profitable the year was) of yearly profits from the Corrib gas line. This has been estimated at about €1.7 billion. Not only that but the massive increase in gas supply should lower gas prices for consumers.

Without Shell how do you propose we get the gas from the sea to pipeline? Shell have the expertise. They have spent all the money exploring for the gas and setting up for extracting and refining it.

nosey rosie

Only Ireland would rip itself off from its own gas deposits :P :eek:

Badgermonkey

stoneill wrote: »

Ray Burke gave this away??

http://www.indymedia.ie/article/82750
A recently published government report shows potential reserves of 130 billion barrels of oil and 50 trillion cubic feet of gas.

Jasus - may his mickey drop off at an inopportune moment.

Quoting Indymedia eh? :eek:

I'd put more faith in Ray Burke tbh.

cock robin

If there is so much oil & natural gas off the wesht coast why the fcuk are we not doing something about it.

RichieC

We should certainly renegotiate the agreement.

whoopdedoo

lucozader wrote: »

ray burke gave it away for free

Charlie haughey, Albert Reynolds, Bertie ahern, Frank fahey and ray burke all lined their pockets first!!

yes we should take back our oil and fcuk shell!! they'd take 40% profits and be glad of it too

Einhard

galwayrush wrote: »

I'm sure the money wasted in supporting Anglo Irish Bank would have a potential better return spent on drilling for oil and gas. even if we found nothing, it would have paid a lot of wages rather than sinking it into the black hole that is Anglo. .:rolleyes:

Any case, even if we could support a highly expensive exploration company, our powers that be would find some way of ****ing it up.

Will you stop with the ubiquitous use of those stupid rolly eyes, or at least learn to use them properly. I never claimed that the Anglo money was money well spent, so how the hell could you be rolling your eyes at me on that score? What on earth does Anglo even have to do oil exploration in the Atlantic? It's a complete non-sequitur. Or, every time someone criticises something as a waste of money, are you going to compare it to Anglo, and then decide that, because it's not as big a waste as that fiasco, then it's not a waste at all?? Pretty dumb way to run a country methinks.

Einhard

whoopdedoo wrote: »

Charlie haughey, Albert Reynolds, Bertie ahern, Frank fahey and ray burke all lined their pockets first!!

Where's the proof of this? Seriously, I'm fed up of people claiming that the Shell deal is a bad one, and then claiming as proof that politics took bungs to sign it, and yet providing absolutely no evidence for this. It's a case of saying, Trust me, I'm right and you're wrong. But I have no evidence to back up the claims on which my argmeny hinges.

yes we should take back our oil and fcuk shell!! they'd take 40% profits and be glad of it too

They would, would they? And you know this how? Privy to internal Shell communications? Friends with the CEO perhaps? Or just spouting uninformed claptrap?

Kasabian

k_mac wrote: »

Rabble rabble rabble.

The Irish government will get between 10% and 25% (changes depending on how profitable the year was) of yearly profits from the Corrib gas line. This has been estimated at about €1.7 billion. Not only that but the massive increase in gas supply should lower gas prices for consumers.

Without Shell how do you propose we get the gas from the sea to pipeline? Shell have the expertise. They have spent all the money exploring for the gas and setting up for extracting and refining it.

A sh1t load of straws joined together.

karma_

Einhard wrote: »

Where's the proof of this? Seriously, I'm fed up of people claiming that the Shell deal is a bad one, and then claiming as proof that politics took bungs to sign it, and yet providing absolutely no evidence for this. It's a case of saying, Trust me, I'm right and you're wrong. But I have no evidence to back up the claims on which my argmeny hinges.



They would, would they? And you know this how? Privy to internal Shell communications? Friends with the CEO perhaps? Or just spouting uninformed claptrap?

The Shell deal is a bad one.

Jeboa Safari

galwayrush wrote: »

I'm sure the money wasted in supporting Anglo Irish Bank would have a potential better return spent on drilling for oil and gas. even if we found nothing, it would have paid a lot of wages rather than sinking it into the black hole that is Anglo. .:rolleyes:

Any case, even if we could support a highly expensive exploration company, our powers that be would find some way of ****ing it up.

Thats a ridiculous comparison. There are hundreds of better things we could spend the Anglo money on rather than wasting it drilling holes into the sea.. What has Anglo got to do with it?

Guy:Incognito

karma_ wrote: »

The Shell deal is a bad one.

Well thats me convinced.

karma_

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Well thats me convinced.

Excellent.

hawk222

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Well thats me convinced.

well the shell deal's not the only bad deal that ffgreed sleapt walked us in to late'st estamet's r irsh oil gas worth more than 7oo billion- dollors i say shell out ireland in wakie wakie :D:D

MagicSean

hawk222 wrote: »

well the shell deal's not the only bad deal that ffgreed sleapt walked us in to late'st estamet's r irsh oil gas worth more than 7oo billion- dollors i say shell out ireland in wakie wakie :D:D

Money that could be spent on education. I particularly liked the word sleapt.

TeddyTedson

*farts*

...leaves

hawk222

k_mac wrote: »

Money that could be spent on education. I particularly liked the word sleapt.

yea then we cud teech dem ffer's:P how to count

charlemont

Of course we should..

Guy:Incognito

hawk222 wrote: »

yea then we cud teech dem ffer's:P how to count

Maybe we could. You? Not so much.

hawk222

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Maybe we could. You? Not so much.

it's not about me they sold us all out

johnmcdnl

how much does it cost to bore a hole to test for oil or gas??

what happens if Ireland day one had to bore and bore and bore and find nothing - Ray Burke would have been a prick for wasting so much money on such a ludicrous idea :rolleyes:

How could we justify looking for the oil outselves - and now that somone else found it how do you intend for us to claim it back??

if we claimed it back it'd be no different that communism and would break our law in some way shape or form.. And do you honestly think Shell would let it go that easily...

hawk222

johnmcdnl wrote: »

how much does it cost to bore a hole to test for oil or gas??

what happens if Ireland day one had to bore and bore and bore and find nothing - Ray Burke would have been a prick for wasting so much money on such a ludicrous idea :rolleyes:

How could we justify looking for the oil outselves - and now that somone else found it how do you intend for us to claim it back??

if we claimed it back it'd be no different that communism and would break our law in some way shape or form.. And do you honestly think Shell would let it go that easily...

communism... break our law in [some way ] can i have wat he's havin wer hav ya been .. wakie wakie:eek:

worded

A countries recourses dont belong to foreign corporations.

Time to reclaim

Sheeps

is hawk222 a real poster or is this some kind of joke?

The_Minister

worded wrote: »

A countries recourses dont belong to foreign corporations.

Time to reclaim

Unless that country does a deal with those companies in order to get them to build the necessary infrastructure....

Einhard

Sheeps wrote: »

is hawk222 a real poster or is this some kind of joke?

I laughed.

hawk222

Seaneh wrote: »

Speak English for feck sake!

when did feck be come an english:rolleyes: word

mconigol

worded wrote: »

A countries recourses dont belong to foreign corporations.

Time to reclaim

Unless you sell it to them for money?!

Does Tesco still own this delicious piece of toast I'm having for breakfast...coz that'd suck

Aka Ishur

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Verb

tallaghtmick

stick a pipe in jim corrs mouth coz the stuff he comes out with is "gas"........ok i accept my ban for that

panda100

k_mac wrote: »

Not only that but the massive increase in gas supply should lower gas prices for consumers.

Hmm well thats just made up. Ireland's licensing laws gives us no security of supply for this gas. Shell can do what ever they like with it and their business is profits, not selling cheaply to consumers.