wife pulled over for wife speeding in the north, taken to the police station

bluemac · 06-02-2011 3:22pm #1

Looking for some advice,
The wife (??) was pulled over for speeding just now!! she was on the A1 in a 60 doing 76. she was in no rush to come home, she doesn't speed at all not that type of person, so it would have been a mistake (prob as its a new car to her), (no excuse). She is Irish and lives in the south she has a UK licence, so they have taken her into the station for the past hour. She has to go to court in newry... any one had experience of this and what to expect. I assume she didnt get 4 points and an on the spot fine as she had no UK address.

All seems a bit of a waste of the courts time would take in the licence and get the points and the fine she was in the wrong.

what will the courts do? I assume take the licence and a fine

mickdw · 06-02-2011 3:26pm

Sounds mad to me.

bluemac · 06-02-2011 3:28pm

I assume she comes home and will go to the courts in a few weeks/ months not today..

cursai · 06-02-2011 3:29pm

She might have been doing more than speeding! Got charged with dangerous driving and brought straight to a court which happened to be on the same day!
They might have thought of the possibility that she abscond as she is from the south.

GTE · 06-02-2011 3:30pm

Maybe a fine but the stretches of the A1 that are 60 really can hardly take 65 comfortably. Hell the 70 parts of it can hardly that speed limit in places.

I'd imagine the police feel that as well so will try their best to stamp down on it.

I would think a fine would be all they could do. I'm not too sure about the legalities but just wanted to say the police are probably really tying to clamp down on speeding in those areas at least. The A1 is the worst main road I have driven on.

bluemac · 06-02-2011 3:30pm

Cursai...I doubt it on the A1... so what happened to you?

TheZ · 06-02-2011 3:31pm

Happened a friend of mine. They will look for a couple of hundred quid before they release her. That gets refunded less any fine after court date.

If she has no cash on her you may need to drive up there with the money.

bluemac · 06-02-2011 3:33pm

guess id better get the kids dressed and make there tea then..

the purple tin · 06-02-2011 3:34pm

bluemac wrote: »

Looking for some advice,
The wife (37) was pulled over for speeding just now!! she was on the A1 in a 60 doing 76. she was in no rush to come home, she doesn't speed at all not that type of person, so it would have been a mistake (prob as its a new car to her), (no excuse). She is Irish and lives in the south she has a UK licence, so they have taken her into the station for the past hour. She has to go to court in newry... any one had experience of this and what to expect. I assume she didnt get 4 points and an on the spot fine as she had no UK address.

All seems a bit of a waste of the courts time would take in the licence and get the points and the fine she was in the wrong.

what will the courts do? I assume take the licence and a fine

Now you've done it.

bluemac · 06-02-2011 3:39pm

I take it she will also get points on her UK licence.

bluemac · 06-02-2011 4:04pm

1 hour in the station, Formally Arrested, Photos taken, £60 fine, and court in march.

Police said they are on the a1 at this point all the time it was a down hill section, 2 lanes, she was on the inside lane.

Thanks for the post will let you know what happens,

doOh · 06-02-2011 4:16pm

LOL i would sue them :P

CiniO · 06-02-2011 4:17pm

bluemac wrote: »

1 hour in the station, Formally Arrested, Photos taken, £60 fine, and court in march.

Police said they are on the a1 at this point all the time it was a down hill section, 2 lanes, she was on the inside lane.

Thanks for the post will let you know what happens,

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

For speeding by 16MPH she was Formally Arrested? And the case goes to court. Seems to be inbelievable.

Gary ITR · 06-02-2011 4:19pm

bluemac wrote: »

1 hour in the station, Formally Arrested, Photos taken, £60 fine, and court in march.

Police said they are on the a1 at this point all the time it was a down hill section, 2 lanes, she was on the inside lane.

Thanks for the post will let you know what happens,

Why was she arrested? What was the reason given? Why is she going to court if she has already been issued with a fixed penalty? Is there something you're not telling us?

Marlow · 06-02-2011 4:29pm

bluemac wrote: »

1 hour in the station, Formally Arrested, Photos taken, £60 fine, and court in march.

Police said they are on the a1 at this point all the time it was a down hill section, 2 lanes, she was on the inside lane.

Thanks for the post will let you know what happens,

Same happened to me yesterday. 83 mph in a 60 mph on the A1 southbound coming into a valley (probably in the same spot). Usually I mind my speed especially up north, but was a bit over-enthusiastic to get home yesterday.

Because I don't have a UK license/UK address, am a resident in the republic and there is no jurisdiction for the NI police, where I live, that's the procedure.

So they stop you, arrest you, they will bring you past an ATM if you don't have cash on you. The bail is 80 GBP. You will be given a court date. On the day of the court you get your 80 GBP back, but will have to pay the fine (also in my case most likely 60 GBP as was explained to me) and that's that.

Bit of a pain in the neck, but that seems to be the way they do it up there.

At least the police were very friendly and good to explain the steps. No abuse from them in any way, form or shape.

/M

Mr Benevolent · 06-02-2011 4:33pm

CiniO wrote: »

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

For speeding by 16MPH she was Formally Arrested? And the case goes to court. Seems to be inbelievable.

In other words she was 27% over the speed limit. That's illegal, no question.

CiniO · 06-02-2011 4:34pm

Marlow wrote: »

Same happened to me yesterday. 83 mph in a 60 mph on the A1 southbound coming into a valley (probably in the same spot). Usually I mind my speed especially up north, but was a bit over-enthusiastic to get home yesterday.

Because I don't have a UK license/UK address, am a resident in the republic and there is no jurisdiction for the NI police, where I live, that's the procedure.

So they stop you, arrest you, they will bring you past an ATM if you don't have cash on you. The bail is 80 GBP. You will be given a court date. On the day of the court you get your 80 GBP back, but will have to pay the fine (also in my case most likely 60 GBP as was explained to me) and that's that.

Bit of a pain in the neck, but that seems to be the way they do it up there.

At least the police were very friendly and good to explain the steps. No abuse from them in any way, form or shape.

/M

What if someone will not appear in the court?
Let's say it's someone not from Ireland, but from Spain who was just on holidays.
Do you think that such a person will go intentinally to NI to appear in the court for some minor speeding?

AFAIK in most EU countries, if you get stopped for any minor traffic offences, you have to pay on the spot fine if you are not resident in that country.
Seems it's not working like that in NI.

GTE · 06-02-2011 4:36pm

Confab wrote: »

In other words she was 27% over the speed limit. That's illegal, no question.

And on a stretch of the A1 where traffic crossing the road like on the Mullingar Bypass if anyone knows it. I do hate that road!

Marlow · 06-02-2011 4:36pm

CiniO wrote: »

What if someone will appear in the court?
Let's say it's someone not from Ireland, but from Spain who was just on holidays.
Do you think that such a person will go intentinally to NI to appear in the court for some minor speeding?

I've been told by a friend later that day, that you actually can ask the police, if they are happy enough to represent you in court. That is, if you want to take that chance.

Essentially, you committed an offence, this means, you have to go to court. Doesn't matter, where you are from. And as they can't take cash on the spot with the way their system works, they'll arrest you and let you out on bail. You can always get a lawyer to represent you, but that'll cost you even more.

/M

jimmycrackcorm · 06-02-2011 4:37pm

Onkle wrote: »

Why was she arrested? What was the reason given? Why is she going to court if she has already been issued with a fixed penalty? Is there something you're not telling us?

It's normal enough because it's a different jurisdiction. Also if your Roi motor tax is out of date by even one day then they will impound your car until it's paid.

The only unfairness is that the Gardai don't treat northern drivers the same.

Tar.Aldarion · 06-02-2011 4:38pm

lmao at changing her age to ??. Now that is fear :pac:

GTE · 06-02-2011 4:40pm

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

lmao at changing her age to ??. Now that is fear :pac:

Well she is 21 anyway

CiniO · 06-02-2011 4:47pm

Confab wrote: »

In other words she was 27% over the speed limit. That's illegal, no question.

It's illegal, but it's not a crime.
There's no reason for arrest.

Marlow · 06-02-2011 4:50pm

CiniO wrote: »

It's illegal, but it's not a crime.
There's no reason for arrest.

Well, the arrest is, because the fine can not be imposed immidiatly as in most other countries. Most countries will charge you with the fine there and then, colllect money of you there and then or impound your car, until you pay there and then.

In NI (not sure, if in all of the UK), that's not the case. They arrest you instead, take you to the station, take your data and let you go on bail. But if you aren't a UK resident, they will arrest, if you speed and get stopped by the police, while UK residents get the fine in the post.

It was news to me, too, as I've never been stopped in NI before, but that's how it has been explained to me by the police.

/M

CiniO · 06-02-2011 4:58pm

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

It's normal enough because it's a different jurisdiction. Also if your Roi motor tax is out of date by even one day then they will impound your car until it's paid.

The only unfairness is that the Gardai don't treat northern drivers the same.

Hmm. What NI Police has to do with ROI motor tax.
Motor tax is a Irish Revenue thing, and to be honest NI Police should have nothing to do with it.

CiniO · 06-02-2011 4:59pm

Marlow wrote: »

Well, the arrest is, because the fine can not be imposed immidiatly as in most other countries. Most countries will charge you with the fine there and then, colllect money of you there and then or impound your car, until you pay there and then.

In NI (not sure, if in all of the UK), that's not the case. They arrest you instead, take you to the station, take your data and let you go on bail. But if you aren't a UK resident, they will arrest, if you speed and get stopped by the police, while UK residents get the fine in the post.

It was news to me, too, as I've never been stopped in NI before, but that's how it has been explained to me by the police.

/M

Fair enough, but it make plenty of extra paperwork and hassle for everyone involved. If this are the rules there, they should change it just to save money and time. (Policeman work costs money).

Our man in Havana · 06-02-2011 5:02pm

CiniO wrote: »

Hmm. What NI Police has to do with ROI motor tax.
Motor tax is a Irish Revenue thing, and to be honest NI Police should have nothing to do with it.

Correct, they have nothing to do with enforcing Irish tax.

Some countries have compulsory road tax for visiting vehicles but the UK is not one of those countries.

Marlow · 06-02-2011 5:02pm

CiniO wrote: »

Hmm. What NI Police has to do with ROI motor tax.
Motor tax is a Irish Revenue thing, and to be honest NI Police should have nothing to do with it.

This has been in the news last year, I think. NI and ROI are now enforcing missing motor tax payments across the border. The same is for driving bans and penalty points. If you are from the south and have a speeding offence up north, the points will be transferred to the south and vice versa.

It's an agreement, that was done between the UK/NI government and the lads in Dublin.

/M

Our man in Havana · 06-02-2011 5:04pm

Marlow wrote: »

This has been in the news last year, I think. NI and ROI are now enforcing missing motor tax payments across the border. The same is for driving bans and penalty points. If you are from the south and have a speeding offence up north, the points will be transferred to the south and vice versa.

It's an agreement, that was done between the UK/NI government and the lads in Dublin.

/M

Not true. Points cannot be transferred from either side of the border.

Only driving bans are recognised on both sides. Irish Motor Tax is none of the PSNIs concern.

Marlow · 06-02-2011 5:08pm

Our man in Havana wrote: »

Not true. Points cannot be transferred from either side of the border.

Only driving bans are recognised on both sides. Irish Motor Tax is none of the PSNIs concern.

Well, they certainly make it their concern and that since end 2009: http://www.letterkennypost.com/2009/11/26/youre-nabbed/

/M

dnme · 06-02-2011 5:21pm

maybe there's more to the story, who knows

Our man in Havana · 06-02-2011 5:25pm

Marlow wrote: »

Well, they certainly make it their concern and that since end 2009: http://www.letterkennypost.com/2009/11/26/youre-nabbed/

/M

They are operating Ultra vires.

CiniO · 06-02-2011 5:27pm

Marlow wrote: »

Well, they certainly make it their concern and that since end 2009: http://www.letterkennypost.com/2009/11/26/youre-nabbed/

/M

The question here is, if they are doing it legally.

From practice I know that anywhere in Europe no one is going to ask Irish motorist for valid motor tax. Only NI or UK might be questionable.
But I actually doubt if they are doing it legally, if they are.

Wolfe Tone · 06-02-2011 5:29pm

Ask her what age the PSNI men where and their attitude... in there may lay the answer.

Our man in Havana · 06-02-2011 5:33pm

CiniO wrote: »

The question here is, if they are doing it legally.

From practice I know that anywhere in Europe no one is going to ask Irish motorist for valid motor tax. Only NI or UK might be questionable.
But I actually doubt if they are doing it legally, if they are.

I agree.

If I drive to France or Germany no one cares if you have Irish tax. If I drive into Austria or Hungary I have to stop and buy a local tax disc and display that on my window. The Austrian police have no interest in anything other than their tax sticker.

Marlow · 06-02-2011 5:42pm

Our man in Havana wrote: »

I agree.

If I drive to France or Germany no one cares if you have Irish tax. If I drive into Austria or Hungary I have to stop and buy a local tax disc and display that on my window. The Austrian police have no interest in anything other than their tax sticker.

The issue here is simple. Most continental european countries don't even know how the tax is paid in countries like for example Ireland.

Denmark and Germany have a central computerized register with their own vehicles. No way of checking it on the car, but looking it up. France and Poland pay their motortax over the fuel.

However in the case of the UK, they operate a similar system to here and are well aware, which factors are required for an irish car to be road legal. If a car from the republic is not road legal in the republic, then it's not road legal in any other european county (or anywhere else in the world for that matter). Thus you are not allowed to visit those countries either. That's the basis they are doing it on and it's their right.

/M

Our man in Havana · 06-02-2011 5:49pm

Can you quote the law so?

Atomic Pineapple · 06-02-2011 5:54pm

dnme wrote: »

maybe there's more to the story, who knows

There's not, this has been happening for ages now, its not a new thing.

bluemac · 06-02-2011 5:55pm

Nothing im not telling you.. she just made a mistake thought it was 120KMH on that stretch. The reason is she was arrested was she has no UK address.

I bet it was the same spot.. the Police were very nice.. no issue with them at all..

let me know how you get on in court please.

Break all ties · 06-02-2011 6:05pm

Marlow wrote: »

The issue here is simple. Most continental european countries don't even know how the tax is paid in countries like for example Ireland.

Denmark and Germany have a central computerized register with their own vehicles. No way of checking it on the car, but looking it up. France and Poland pay their motortax over the fuel.

However in the case of the UK, they operate a similar system to here and are well aware, which factors are required for an irish car to be road legal. If a car from the republic is not road legal in the republic, then it's not road legal in any other european county (or anywhere else in the world for that matter). Thus you are not allowed to visit those countries either. That's the basis they are doing it on and it's their right.

/M

I will disagree with you there.
I have my Irish car here in Bulgaria. All I have to pay here is my Bulgarian road tax and insurance. The police are not one bit concerned about Irish tax or NCT or other such bull. So long as it is insured and taxed in Bulgaria they do not care.

Our man in Havana wrote: »

Can you quote the law so?

I too would be interested in seeing what legal basis they can demand Irish tax in the UK.

bluemac · 06-02-2011 6:06pm

bbk wrote: »

Well she is ?? anyway

yea thanks for that...

Our man in Havana · 06-02-2011 6:10pm

stealthyspeeder · 06-02-2011 6:30pm

bluemac wrote: »

The reason is she was arrested was she has no UK address.

How does she have a valid UK driving license then?

bluemac · 06-02-2011 6:31pm

we lived in the uk and moved back here a few years ago.

Marlow · 06-02-2011 6:32pm

You don't have to change an EU license until it expires or you loose it. Same reason I still have my danish license.

/M

Our man in Havana · 06-02-2011 6:34pm

Marlow wrote: »

You don't have to change an EU license until it expires or you loose it. Same reason I still have my danish license.

/M

Correct.

Stinicker · 06-02-2011 6:35pm

If this happened close to the border what would happen if you just floored it and made a beeline straight into the Republic? Would An Garda Siochana have to take time from their tea and biscuits and actually do a bit of work or would the PSNI cross the border in pursuit?

Matt Simis · 06-02-2011 6:41pm

Stinicker wrote: »

If this happened close to the border what would happen if you just floored it and made a beeline straight into the Republic? Would An Garda Siochana have to take time from their tea and biscuits and actually do a bit of work or would the PSNI cross the border in pursuit?

This is now approaching that other thread that was locked. Racing from the PSNI (marked car assumed) of all people across the border may allow them to invoke some shared Anti-Terrorism agreements with the Gardai. Or maybe not, but I dont think thats such a great idea for a minor offence.

Our man in Havana · 06-02-2011 6:42pm

The PSNI cannot cross into the republic for a mere traffic offence.

billyboy01 · 06-02-2011 6:58pm

I wish the Gardai would patrol and impound NI drivers cars that speed on our roads especially the M1! If there boyos are making money from us, its only fair that we boost our revenues with fines from UK speeders!

stealthyspeeder · 06-02-2011 7:02pm

billyboy01 wrote: »

I wish the Gardai would patrol and impound NI drivers cars that speed on our roads especially the M1! If there boyos are making money from us, its only fair that we boost our revenues with fines from UK speeders!

sssssshhhhhh settle down there.

wife pulled over for wife speeding in the north, taken to the police station

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