Scope problem!!!

dev110

I was trying to zero my scope about 15 mins ago and I have ran out of adjustment in elevation and windage!!

Can anyone help??

Tackleberrywho

dev110 wrote: »

I was trying to zero my scope about 15 mins ago and I have ran out of adjustment in elevation and windage!!

Can anyone help??

Give me a Buzz, sort your scope out after dinner!

clivej

Did you get the Millet mounts 'cos they need to be set up carefully as to keeing them in the centre of the dovetail.

dev110

He only had second hand mounts but didn't charge me for them. I'm after turning the mounts. It might work??

Vegeta

dev110 wrote: »

I was trying to zero my scope about 15 mins ago and I have ran out of adjustment in elevation and windage!!

Can anyone help??

Your rifle has less elevation adjustments at the extremes of windage. So if you fix the windage problem it might sort you for elevation.

Elevation is easier to fix with shims and rails. Windage issues are a pain the balls so get that right first.

The first thing I will advise is determining are the action, bases and rings set up along the line of the bore.
Is the barrel square and true with the action?

Back to basics, re-center your scopes adjustments and take everything off the rifle.

Use a long straight edge like an engineering ruler (1 meter if you could get one) and center one end of the ruler along the top of the action. Check if the barrel follows the line of the rest ruler exactly. Well if it doesn't you have a large problem if the barrel is square and true to the action then it points to the mounts.

Do you have a laser bore sighter or know someone with one? This would save a lot of hassle if you did.

So lets assume the barrel and the action are fine. The next issue will be the mounts. Are your mounts windage adjustable? That can be used to remove the windage issues. If they are not you can try tightening from the opposite side you initially did. Switch them front to back. Twisting them 180 degrees, attaching the scope and bore sighting as you go to see which set-up works best.

clivej

Vegeta wrote: »

Your rifle has less elevation adjustments at the extremes of windage. So if you fix the windage problem it might sort you for elevation.

Elevation is easier to fix with shims and rails. Windage issues are a pain the balls so get that right first.

.

dev110

Thanks for all that I have the mounts turned 180 degrees and have it bore sighted at about 25m. I'm meeting up with Tack later so I will let ye know how things go

bunny shooter

dev110 wrote: »

........... I'm meeting up with Tack later .............

Why does this come to mind :P

http://static.tumblr.com/loed5yk/C3vlej8lc/blind-leading-the-blind1.jpg

Hope ya get it sorted lad

clivej

bunny shooter wrote: »

Why does this come to mind :P


Hope ya get it sorted lad

BS it's nice to be nice

bunny shooter

clivej wrote: »

BS it's nice to be nice

I am :eek: I said

bunny shooter wrote: »

.........Hope ya get it sorted lad

dev110

Mounts are useless. Kept loosening and then started touching barrel when fully tightened!!
Only solution is new mounts!!
I think I let the CZ side down as I now say that Tack is going to have a field day

clivej

dev110 wrote: »

Mounts are useless. Kept loosening and then started touching barrel when fully tightened!!
Only solution is new mounts!!
I think I let the CZ side down as I now say that Tack is going to have a field day

Not so you have the problem found and just need an easy solution with good mounts.

I know you where going with the picatinny rail and rings when you can get them in, so maybe a kind soul has a spare set of 16mm dovetail mounts for a 50mm objective to lend you for a short time.

Come on lads time to rally to the course.

dev110

clivej wrote: »

Not so you have the problem found and just need an easy solution with good mounts.

I know you where going with the picatinny rail and rings when you can get them in, so maybe a kind soul has a spare set of 16mm dovetail mounts for a 50mm objective to lend you for a short time.

Come on lads time to rally to the course.

I wouldn't surprised if I go in to Scully's in the morning and get a set of mounts because I really want to go hunting!!! I'm the very same as a child with a new toy.

bunny shooter

dev110 wrote: »

He only had second hand mounts but didn't charge me for them............

dev110 wrote: »

Mounts are useless.......

At least they were free. Now you know why

clivej

dev110 wrote: »

He only had second hand mounts but didn't charge me for them. I'm after turning the mounts. It might work??

dev110 wrote: »

Mounts are useless. Kept loosening and then started touching barrel when fully tightened!!
Only solution is new mounts!!

bunny shooter wrote: »

At least they were free. Now you know why

Take 'em back and get your $$$$ back :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

In that case get the Warne 16mm CZ 527 mounts to see you over or to keep. They are the best of the rest.

dev110

bunny shooter wrote: »

At least they were free. Now you know why

clivej wrote: »

Take 'em back and get your $$$$ back :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

In that case get the Warne 16mm CZ 527 mounts to see you over or to keep. They are the best of the rest.

Well on the plus side I got 2 boxes of hornady v-max for free (He forgot to charge me for them ) and also a box of wolf which Tack now has . The bolt wouldn't even close with them.

I will try get them so clive. Just want to get bunny mash (if you know what I mean )

Tackleberrywho

The blind leading the blind today..........
There are none so Blind as those that can not see BS AND CJ:p

What I learned, Wolf ammo will cycle well and is quite consistent out to 100 or so yards as Dev can verify.

Remingtons are quicker load, even though they have no mag.
The action on a Remmy cycles .223 better than a CZ.
The Trigger on the CZ unless set, is awful.

Mounts were crap.
Burris scope is not half as clear as a nightforce on the same Power.

It's good to know if I ever fall on hard times I can use €10 ammo and still Mush Foxes/Rabbits with it.

clivej

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

The blind leading the blind today..........
There are none so Blind as those that can not see BS AND CJ:p

What I learned, Wolf ammo will cycle well and is quite consistent out to 100 or so yards as Dev can verify.

Remingtons are quicker load, even though they have no mag.
The action on a Remmy cycles .223 better than a CZ.
The Trigger on the CZ unless set, is awful.

Mounts were crap.
Burris scope is not half as clear as a nightforce on the same Power.

It's good to know if I ever fall on hard times I can use €10 ammo and still Mush Foxes/Rabbits with it.

• The CZ will cycle better with time after all its new now
• You can custom the CZ trigger to your own liking, creep and pull. What trigger have you on your rem tack???? Not a rem I think, custom job is it.
• So your rem can take sh!te wolf ammo, best check your chamber over for ware.
• Any price difference between the Burris and Nightforce??? thought so.

Messure like with like or DON'T messure at all.

Tackleberrywho

clivej wrote: »

• The CZ will cycle better with time after all its new now
• You can custom the CZ trigger to your own liking, creep and pull. What trigger have you on your rem tack???? Not a rem I think, custom job is it.
• So your rem can take sh!te wolf ammo, best check your chamber over for ware.
• Any price difference between the Burris and Nightforce??? thought so.

Messure like with like or DON'T messure at all.

CZ bad design mag, have to take off to fill, can't load in the rifle.
Even loading the mag is awkward, I have loaded many various types of Mags and teh CZ was teh most awkward.

You can tune a factory trigger too.
My chamber is fine CJ All Remington's will take Wolf, a factory for any young fella where ammo price is an issue.

I measured teh rifle like with like.
The VSSF II can be bought for almost the same price as the CZ KEvlar Varmint now.


The scopes were just a casual observation on clarity.;)
One would imagine that mounts for a CZ would be easy pic up

So I have based my experience on first hand events once again, and some choose to ignore, again

And just for the Record, Steyr Prohunter cycle Wolf no issues, Seems only to be CZ that have an issue (Strange since they are a former Commi state)

Vegeta

Imagine, Tack thinks the gear he has is better. I'm shocked

jap gt

Vegeta wrote: »

Imagine, Tack thinks the gear he has is better. I'm shocked

thats cause its all 'pimped' stuff

It wasn't me!

In my limited experience, the CZ triggers, when adjusted, are far, far better than any Remington factory trigger, which just oozes its way to the break point. Magazine design might be a factor were I under enormous pressure to stop whatever's coming for me, but in a typical hunting rifle, not so much. Its primary function is not to fall out of the rifle. As to the chamber which doesn't tolerate sloppily made cheapo ammo? That sounds like a big plus to me! Jaysus Tack, your post practically reads like an ad for CZ!

clivej

It wasn't me! wrote: »

In my limited experience, the CZ triggers, when adjusted, are far, far better than any Remington factory trigger, which just oozes its way to the break point. Magazine design might be a factor were I under enormous pressure to stop whatever's coming for me, but in a typical hunting rifle, not so much. Its primary function is not to fall out of the rifle. As to the chamber which doesn't tolerate sloppily made cheapo ammo? That sounds like a big plus to me! Jaysus Tack, your post practically reads like an ad for CZ!

and so the sh!te hits the blanket............... ye ha....ride em cowboy!!!!!!!!!! :D:D

Tackleberrywho

clivej wrote: »

and so the sh!te hits the blanket............... ye ha....ride em cowboy!!!!!!!!!! :D:D

I'll start again
The Bolt was sh*te cycling
The Mag was shi*e to remove/install
Loading the mag was shi*e
One could not load a round in the chamber if the mag was in, as teh Mag design was sh*te

If I never owned a CZ it would be a day too soon:D:p

SpringerF

Monsieur l'Tack, je déteste ce que vous écrivez, mais je donnerai ma vie pour que vous puissiez continuer à écrire.

It wasn't me!

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

I'll start again
The Bolt was sh*te cycling
The Mag was shi*e to remove/install
Loading the mag was shi*e
One could not load a round in the chamber if the mag was in, as teh Mag design was sh*te

If I never owned a CZ it would be a day too soon:D:p

Yes, but a CZ bolt gets better as it gets used. A Remington stays as shíte as the day it left the factory, or degrades. Now, I've nothing against a well smithed Remington bolt, personally, but the factory ones tend to be like dragging bricks over sandpaper, as do their triggers.

virminhunter

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

I'll start again
The Bolt was sh*te cycling
The Mag was shi*e to remove/install
Loading the mag was shi*e
One could not load a round in the chamber if the mag was in, as teh Mag design was sh*te

If I never owned a CZ it would be a day too soon:D:p

remington= sh*te rifle.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4AqMl1A4aQ

The Big Fella

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

I'll start again
The Bolt was sh*te cycling
The Mag was shi*e to remove/install
Loading the mag was shi*e
One could not load a round in the chamber if the mag was in, as teh Mag design was sh*te

If I never owned a CZ it would be a day too soon:D:p

Dont blame the cz for poor hand eye coordination is probly why you werent able to place a round in the chamber by hand, its easy I do it all the time. The cz has a way nicer action than any action a remmy could have.

Tackleberrywho

SpringerF wrote: »

Monsieur l'Tack, je déteste ce que vous écrivez, mais je donnerai ma vie pour que vous puissiez continuer à écrire.

Mon dieu, le suiveur de CZ sont un groupe regrette

Tackleberrywho

It wasn't me! wrote: »

Yes, but a CZ bolt gets better as it gets used. A Remington stays as shíte as the day it left the factory, or degrades. Now, I've nothing against a well smithed Remington bolt, personally, but the factory ones tend to be like dragging bricks over sandpaper, as do their triggers.

Even the OP had to admit that the action on my rifle was as slick as a roller bearing

I had a Remington factory Trigger on a crisp 3lbs
I just wanted my baby to go down to 2, and I like a flatter trigger.

I wonder why Competition shooters don't use CZ actions in there comp rifles ??:p

SpringerF

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

Mon dieu, le suiveur de CZ sont un groupe regrette

salute

It wasn't me!

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

Even the OP had to admit that the action on my rifle was as slick as a roller bearing

I had a Remington factory Trigger on a crisp 3lbs
I just wanted my baby to go down to 2, and I like a flatter trigger.

I wonder why Competition shooters don't use CZ actions in there comp rifles ??:p

Get yourself a left-handed Sako action and build a custom on it. Then you'll know what slick is. As to the latter part? Ask yourself what the rifles were designed for, then ask why a Remington isn't a dangerous game gun and you'll come to much the same conclusion.

dev110

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

I'll start again
The Bolt was sh*te cycling
The Mag was shi*e to remove/install
Loading the mag was shi*e
One could not load a round in the chamber if the mag was in, as teh Mag design was sh*te

If I never owned a CZ it would be a day too soon:D:p

I have to admit to mag design is pretty bad but it's fine for hunting as one general uses 1 or 2 bullets per animal but the reason Tack does like it is because he needs about 7 :p:p:D:D:D

It wasn't me! wrote: »

Yes, but a CZ bolt gets better as it gets used. A Remington stays as shíte as the day it left the factory, or degrades. Now, I've nothing against a well smithed Remington bolt, personally, but the factory ones tend to be like dragging bricks over sandpaper, as do their triggers.

The bolt is abit rough now but I say it will get better. Things get better with age

The Big Fella wrote: »

Dont blame the cz for poor hand eye coordination is probly why you werent able to place a round in the chamber by hand, its easy I do it all the time. The cz has a way nicer action than any action a remmy could have.

Tack I was throwing rounds in the chamber with ease . Too many I would say but they all worked fine

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

Even the OP had to admit that the action on my rifle was as slick as a roller bearing

I had a Remington factory Trigger on a crisp 3lbs
I just wanted my baby to go down to 2, and I like a flatter trigger.

I wonder why Competition shooters don't use CZ actions in there comp rifles ??:p

The action on Tacks rifle is nice and his 'pimped' trigger is nice also.

virminhunter

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

I wonder why Competition shooters don't use CZ actions in there comp rifles ??:p

if they had to choose between a factory remington action and a factory cz action I have a feeling they'd go with the cz action, I could be wrong I'm not lettin on to be an expert, John Greene told me recently on the phone cz's have a great action, remington actions have to be trued don't they?

Tackleberrywho

It wasn't me! wrote: »

Get yourself a left-handed Sako action and build a custom on it. Then you'll know what slick is. As to the latter part? Ask yourself what the rifles were designed for, then ask why a Remington isn't a dangerous game gun and you'll come to much the same conclusion.

Remington 700 .375H&H

I suppose they do not need a Buffalo rifle as there are almost no Buffalo left:rolleyes:

It wasn't me!

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

Remington 700 .375H&H

I suppose they do not need a Buffalo rifle as there are almost no Buffalo left:rolleyes:

Yep, looks a cracking big game gun there alright, fast to the shoulder, controlled round feed, good iron sights, nice recoil controlling solid stock, points and handles fast and well, definitely a candidate there alright. :rolleyes: Oh, and it has a muzzle brake which you wouldn't be allowed use in the first place. Fantastic choice there. The cartridge does not make the rifle a dangerous game gun. As to your comment about buffalo populations? Where exactly do you drag this tripe from?

Tackleberrywho

It wasn't me! wrote: »

Yep, looks a cracking big game gun there alright, fast to the shoulder, controlled round feed, good iron sights, nice recoil controlling solid stock, points and handles fast and well, definitely a candidate there alright. :rolleyes: Oh, and it has a muzzle brake which you wouldn't be allowed use in the first place. Fantastic choice there. The cartridge does not make the rifle a dangerous game gun. As to your comment about buffalo populations? Where exactly do you drag this tripe from?

American Rifles are designed for the American market

Moose, Elk, Grizzly Bear etc

Back in the day their Dangerous Game was Buffalo, they have none now.

The Europeans designed Dangerous Game Rifles as they needed them while they were squabbling over the continent.......

landkeeper

groan oh groan oh where is that face palm picture
a dangerous game rifle is meant for close quarter confrontational **** with something very big and nasty tack like an elephant or lion leopard or such
not a dopey plains buffalo

Tackleberrywho

landkeeper wrote: »

groan oh groan oh where is that face palm picture
a dangerous game rifle is meant for close quarter confrontational **** with something very big and nasty tack like an elephant or lion leopard or such
not a dopey plains buffalo

Hence the reason the Yank's don't make them

Because the Only Lions in there are in the Bronx Zoo, or belonged to private collectors.

A mate of mine hunts in New Mexico all the time with a Bow and a .44mag!

Different stokes for different folks.

However


This Tangent is waaaaaaaaaaaay off Topic.

Thankfully the OP knows that I will have him grouping well by next week or the week after (as soon as he gets his hands on some mounts)

Sorry Dev
My posts get a lot of Hate mail;)

dev110

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

This Tangent is waaaaaaaaaaaay off Topic.

Thankfully the OP knows that I will have him grouping well by next week or the week after (as soon as he gets his hands on some mounts)

Sorry Dev
My posts get a lot of Hate mail;)

I don't mind at all. I'm loving this!! Tomorrow I will have mounts!!

It wasn't me!

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

Hence the reason the Yank's don't make them

Because the Only Lions in there are in the Bronx Zoo, or belonged to private collectors.

A mate of mine hunts in New Mexico all the time with a Bow and a .44mag!

Different stokes for different folks.

However


This Tangent is waaaaaaaaaaaay off Topic.

Thankfully the OP knows that I will have him grouping well by next week or the week after (as soon as he gets his hands on some mounts)

Sorry Dev
My posts get a lot of Hate mail;)

Except they're the biggest safari market in the world and several companies make dangerous game rifles. For the love of all that is remotely reasonable, at least do your homework.

Tackleberrywho

It wasn't me! wrote: »

Except they're the biggest safari market in the world and several companies make dangerous game rifles. For the love of all that is remotely reasonable, at least do your homework.

Homework?

You obviuosly were never in new mexico where there are private Ranches that you can shoot Exotic animals

The yanks could not be arsed flying half way around the world to shoot game, they just import it through DHL

Have a look at the African Plains exibit in Cabellas. All shot in USA :eek:

It wasn't me!

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

Homework?

You obviuosly were never in new mexico where there are private Ranches that you can shoot Exotic animals on

The yanks could not be arsed flying half way around teh world to shoot game, they just import it through DHL

Have a look at the African Plains exibit in Cabellas. All shot in USA :eek:

Yep, you're absolutely right. No Americans travel to Africa for their safaris at all. And they certainly don't have a domestic industry building rifles for the job. Yep, superstar.

Tackleberrywho

dev110 wrote: »

I don't mind at all. I'm loving this!! Tomorrow I will have mounts!!

I'm around Tomorrow if you get them!
And we have a ballistic Calc now ;)

dev110

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

I'm around Tomorrow if you get them!
And we have a ballistic Calc now ;)

I probably won't have time for much tomorrow but I'll try my best!!

homerhop

out of curiosity Dev what scope have you got?

dev110

homerhop wrote: »

out of curiosity Dev what scope have you got?

It's a Burris Fullfield 6.5-20x50

homerhop

how do you find it, mounts aside?

dev110

homerhop wrote: »

how do you find it, mounts aside?

I have to say I like it. It is alot clearer than a hawke I had on my .22lr. Haven't done any hunting with it yet so it will be interesting to see how it preforms!

bunny shooter

SpringerF wrote: »

salute

It's called Google translate

Tackleberrywho

bunny shooter wrote: »

It's called Google translate

On Hons French for the leaving cert;)

Dev

Did you get mounts today?