Pro-life candidates in Galway West?

gimmebroadband

I am seeking info about which candidates are Pro-Life, that would seek to protect the life of the unborn human being, from the womb to the tomb. I have always been a FG supporter, however, if I cannot find a candidate in FG that would oppose abortion being introduced into this Country, I would willing to vote for one who does. I know for a fact that Eamon O'Cuiv is a Pro-lifer and I have never voted FF ever, but would definately consider it if it would help those helpless babies. OTOH, Labour's Gilmore would definately be all for it, so that rules out any Labour candidates for me. What are your thoughts on it!!

Also on my list is Broadband, see username!

Sponge Bob

Proliferism was done to death in the 1980s and 1990s by some frankly horrible people in Galway. Anybody who comes out as prolife in this election....where it is a complete non issue.....will find themselves fighting for my lowest preference on election day.

gimmebroadband

Sponge Bob wrote: »

Proliferism was done to death in the 1980s and 1990s by some frankly horrible people in Galway. Anybody who comes out as prolife in this election....where it is a complete non issue.....will find themselves fighting for my lowest preference on election day.

In my opininion, anyone who has little respect for the unborn would have less respect for those living in the world!

Sponge Bob

gimmebroadband wrote: »

In my opininion, anyone who has little respect for the unborn would have less respect for those living in the world!

Why dont you ask Ronan Mullen why he isnt running so. And ask him for broadband too while you are at it.

gimmebroadband

Sponge Bob wrote: »

Why dont you ask Ronan Mullen why he isnt running so. And ask him for broadband too while you are at it.

As an addendum to my previous post, the living as in, the poor, the old, the sick, the blind and infirm, the same people that got lambasted in the last budget! :mad:

encyclopedia

gimmebroadband wrote: »

As an addendum to my previous post, the living as in, the poor, the old, the sick, the blind and infirm, the same people that got lambasted in the last budget! :mad:

Why is Pro-Life such an issue, abortion is illegal here and there has been no talk of bringing it in. No major political party has had any mention of it. In a recent poll the majority of Irish people are against it anyways.

gimmebroadband

encyclopedia wrote: »

Why is Pro-Life such an issue, abortion is illegal here and there has been no talk of bringing it in. No major political party has had any mention of it. In a recent poll the majority of Irish people are against it anyways.

I read this week that Labour is uprooting it again, possibly to gain more votes!

Sponge Bob

gimmebroadband wrote: »

I read this week that Labour is uprooting it again

Typical pro life crap, wanting every candidate to wrap themselves in rosary beads. Prolifers should simply go back to showing bloody baby photos every saturday outside the Imperial Hotel like they did for about 20 years.

Go see ronan mullen about your broadband willya .

dilallio

gimmebroadband wrote: »

I am seeking info about which candidates are Pro-Life, that would seek to protect the life of the unborn human being, from the womb to the tomb.

Surely you mean ... from the erection to the resurrection!



/ Gets coat

encyclopedia

gimmebroadband wrote: »

I read this week that Labour is uprooting it again, possibly to gain more votes!

If it is true, I don't see how you think it will get more votes. I wouldn't imagine that people who are pro-choice really feel too strongly about it. It certainly wouldn't swing my vote. If anything it will do the opposite and reduce possible voters, pro-lifers like yourself in my experience would definately not vote for a pro-choice party.

Either way abortion will not become legal here as the people don't want it unless the mothers life is in danger.

gimmebroadband

Sponge Bob wrote: »

Typical pro life crap, wanting every candidate to wrap themselves in rosary beads. Prolifers should simply go back to showing bloody baby photos every saturday outside the Imperial Hotel like they did for about 20 years.

Go see ronan mullen about your broadband willya .

There is no need to be uncivil and unpolite, I just asked an honest question!

I would suggest you vent your anger at those who put this Country in the predicament we're in, those who obviously didn't wrap themselves in rosary beads!

Dan_Solo

gimmebroadband wrote: »

I am seeking info about which candidates are Pro-Life

If you find this please let us know. So I can vote against them.
Broadband? What kind of stuff are you downloading exactly?:D

Dan_Solo

Sponge Bob wrote: »

Prolifers should simply go back to showing bloody baby photos every saturday outside the Imperial Hotel like they did for about 20 years.

Yeah, everybody got sick to the back teeth of those goons. Guys, ahem, I knew used to get great craic out of antagonising them...:)

gimmebroadband

I'm a 50 year old female 3D artist, and I sell my work on-line. Unfortunately I don't have high-speed internet in my area, and have to use a dongle which only works intermittantly!

gimmebroadband

Dan_Solo wrote: »

Yeah, everybody got sick to the back teeth of those goons. Guys, ahem, I knew used to get great craic out of antagonising them...:)

I'm not one of those canvassers you love to provoke, I'm just a simple wife and mother with morals!

sceptre

Split from the main Galway West thread for reasons of practicality - it's highly likely to derail the other thread.

/mod

mikemac

It's pretty simple

Ring up each candidate and ask them.
Some are going to dodge the question

If it's an issue important to you it's as valid as anybody elses question

P. Breathnach

gimmebroadband wrote: »

I'm not one of those canvassers you love to provoke, I'm just a simple wife and mother with morals!

I hope that you do not mean that those whose views differ from yours are not moral people.

cassi

Considering the state the country is in right now, whether a candidate is pro life or pro choice is really not what should be swaying voters. There are way bigger issues that need to be sorted first!

dashboard_hula

Slightly off-topic, but I googled Ronan Mullen, and I've never seen a Wikipedia page so obviously written by its subject. I must go and look at some other political figures pages to see if I'm imagining things.

PeakOutput

Dan_Solo wrote: »

Where did I say that? Youth Attack and Opus Dei etc were certainly out to "provoke" a reaction themselves, so what's good for the goose...
Everybody on earth is a "moral" person, it's simply a matter of what they consider to be "moral". Pointless question.

he wasnt quoting you

PeakOutput

Dan_Solo wrote: »

Well he should stop asking irrelevant questions which have absolutely no connection to what I have posted then if he can't quote me, shouldn't he? Why doesn't he ask everybody else here if they think pro-lifers are "moral people" if he thinks it's just a random query?

he was quoting the op who said she was just a simple wife with morals. this implies that someone who isnt pro life does not have morals, its a pretty valid question. and ust because it has nothing to do with what you said dosnt mean it is irrelevant to the thread

Dan_Solo

Crossed wires. Apologies. Moving the thread has put me in a spin obviously...

gimmebroadband

So you think the killing of the unborn is moral then!!!! I have emailed all candiates running in Galway West and I received a reply, I can say that most of them agree with me, and some didn't reply - yet! I will no longer subscribe to this 'thread!

Cheers

Dan_Solo

gimmebroadband wrote: »

So you think the killing of the unborn is moral then!!!!

Er, that would be the pro-choice position. You were aware of that, yes?

NSNO

Abortion is illegal in Ireland except in cases in which the life of the mother is in danger.

This is enshrined in the Constitution and requires the passing of a constitutional amendment by referendum to overturn.

This means that no candidate in this election can, after being elected by your vote, change the status quo.

To the OP, this means you can safely vote for any candidate that you feel will work best for the country without fear of betraying your values. You will never agree fully with a candidate's views, but as the right to life of the unborn is protected by the Constitution you have nothing to fear from any candidate.

Dan_Solo

PeakOutput wrote: »

he was quoting the op who said she was just a simple wife with morals. this implies that someone who isnt pro life does not have morals, its a pretty valid question. and ust because it has nothing to do with what you said dosnt mean it is irrelevant to the thread

Accepted, but part of my posts did address this. All people have "morals". Asking if people are "moral" is utterly pointless.

cassi

gimmebroadband wrote: »

So you think the killing of the unborn is moral then!!!! I have emailed all candiates running in Galway West and I received a reply, I can say that most of them agree with me, and some didn't reply - yet! I will no longer subscribe to this 'thread!

Cheers

Not all Pro choicers are pro abortion!

Dan_Solo

gimmebroadband wrote: »

So you think the killing of the unborn is moral then!!!! I have emailed all candiates running in Galway West and I received a reply, I can say that most of them agree with me, and some didn't reply - yet! I will no longer subscribe to this 'thread!

Cheers

Free country. Free to leave for short visits to UK clinics now too thankfully.

Dan_Solo

cassi wrote: »

Not all Pro choicers are pro abortion!

Yeah, but that's the usual tactic of pro-lifers. Or should we call them anti-woman or pro-poverty to follow suit?

NSNO

cassi wrote: »

Not all Pro choicers are pro abortion!

I don't think anyone is pro-abortion. Actually, I'd go as far to say as anyone who is pro-abortion is not quite right in the head.

Morag

encyclopedia wrote: »

Why is Pro-Life such an issue, abortion is illegal here and there has been no talk of bringing it in. No major political party has had any mention of it. In a recent poll the majority of Irish people are against it anyways.

Abortion is legal under certain medical critea it just has not be legislated for and until that is done, abortions can not be carried out. Successive governments and oppositions have taken the cowards way out and ignored much needed legislation in the more controversial but important areas as this.

The Waltzing Consumer

It is somewhat ironic that when you hear pro-life groups talk, you suddenly feel a lot more empathic to pro-choice. I would vote for any politician who would outlaw the tactics of pro-lifers.

Walking down past a family planning clinic last week and a bunch of pro-life idiots protesting outside because the clinic tries to give unbiased objective advice to men and women. :rolleyes:

Plus, is there any particular reason why, when it is such a great county, that Galway seems to produce a lot of extreme religious nutjobs?

dsmythy

Good to see tolerance of people's religious beliefs is still held in high regard on boards.ie

The Waltzing Consumer

dsmythy wrote: »

Good to see tolerance of people's religious beliefs is still held in high regard on boards.ie

It is 100% obvious that Jesus, if he existed, would not associate himself with a bunch of f**ing idiots who manipulate his teachings to try and justify their own actions. As they say, the devil can cite scripture for his purpose and this is what these guys do

dsmythy

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

It is 100% obvious that Jesus, if he existed, would not associate himself with a bunch of f**ing idiots who manipulate his teachings to try and justify their own actions. As they say, the devil can cite scripture for his purpose and this is what these guys do

The lady here was just wondering who has pro-life views in her constituency. Presumably it's a major pointer of the candidate's worldview for her and whether she shares them as to cast her vote. She got a couple of helpful replies in amongst the dirt thrown at least anyway.

The Waltzing Consumer

dsmythy wrote: »

The lady here was just wondering who has pro-life views in her constituency. Presumably it's a major pointer of the candidate's worldview for her and whether she shares them as to cast her vote. She got a couple of helpful replies in amongst the dirt thrown at least anyway.

Nonsense. It was an obvious and pathetic attempt to smear political groups from someone who you can bet is an active pro-lifer. We have very strict abortion laws and whilst I disagree, I respect the majority of people who want the laws to remain that way. This "oh she was just curious about candidates in her constituency" is bull. She knows well.

PomBear

Sinn Féin's policy AFAIK are pro life incase the mothers health is in risk. Hope that helps....

dsmythy

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

Nonsense. It was an obvious and pathetic attempt to smear political groups from someone who you can bet is an active pro-lifer. We have very strict abortion laws and whilst I disagree, I respect the majority of people who want the laws to remain that way. This "oh she was just curious about candidates in her constituency" is bull. She knows well.

How is she smearing Labour? (I presume it's them you're talking about since she mentioned them).

Morag

dsmythy wrote: »

Good to see tolerance of people's religious beliefs is still held in high regard on boards.ie

You are the one making religious assumptions, there are plenty of pro life atheists.

pluie

PomBear wrote: »

Sinn Féin's policy AFAIK are pro life incase the mothers health is in risk. Hope that helps....

I'm very much pro-choice, but I never understood this whole "I'm against abortion, but you can abort if the mother is at risk" attitude. Surely abortion is abortion, regardless of the consequences? If people are as pro-life as they say they are, then it all seems a bit hypocritical to me.

dsmythy

Sharrow wrote: »

You are the one making religious assumptions, there are plenty of pro life atheists.

They are less likely to have it so high on their list of qualities in candidates sought though. Point taken anyway.

Dan_Solo

dsmythy wrote: »

Good to see tolerance of people's religious beliefs is still held in high regard on boards.ie

It is, I agree. Why, have you seen any intolerance of religion here somewhere you'd like to show to us?

cassi

dsmythy wrote: »

Good to see tolerance of people's religious beliefs is still held in high regard on boards.ie

I don't believe anyone here attacked her religious beliefs! In fact I don't think religion was ever brought into the discussion.


I think there much more pressing issues to be dealt with first as regards this election than pro life issues, such as job creation, the increasing emmigration numbers, national dept, health care thats all before even mentioning the cess pit that is the banks.

Sponge Bob

Not forgetting starvation and associated infertility and long term brain damage either !!

Morag

Yes/no if you are looking at it purely from an economic point of view and with the currently population boom, past immigration and the current baby boom and the expense of lone parents who have children before they start to work and then don't work for a considerable length of time, one way of helping curb the population is to make abortion a more fesable option for those who can't not travel. Esp as Ireland has the highest birthrate and fertility rate in the EU at present.

The availability of the morning after pill over the counter will also have an impact on the population and it's not such a mad notion when you consider FF economic plans includes for the hope emigration of thousands of people.

Mind you there are those who may follow that rational on to say that the death penalty would be an economic policy also as it would free up places and recourse which are funnelled into the 'justice' system and the prisons.

dsmythy

Sponge Bob wrote: »

Typical pro life crap, wanting every candidate to wrap themselves in rosary beads.

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

Plus, is there any particular reason why, when it is such a great county, that Galway seems to produce a lot of extreme religious nutjobs?

Dan_Solo wrote: »

It is, I agree. Why, have you seen any intolerance of religion here somewhere you'd like to show to us?

Plenty of antipathy to the pro-life people in general too. There may be atheist pro-life people but when people are ridiculing pro-life views you know they often mean religious ones.

RedDawn

gimmebroadband, it doesn't matter if the candidates are pro-life or pro-choice. You have the opportunity to say yes to the economic policies that you prefer via this election, but still say no to abortion.

Why?
A referendum is needed in order to change the state's position on abortion in any significant way.

Frankly, not voting for someone because they're pro-choice despite this fact is severe political irresponsibility. This is the most important election in the history of the state post-British withdrawal from the 26 counties. It will shape our political and economic history for the next 25 years, if not longer.

Your opinion on abortion is important, but allow me to make this clear:
It is irrelevent for the purposes of this election.

click_here!!!

I have absolutely no religious beliefs, but don't really see why you could harm unborn children. It's not too much of a statement to make.

In my opinion, no matter which candidate you vote for, most of them are somewhat pro-life. In any case, it's more of a constitutional matter than a politician's one: if politicians wanted to dismantle anti-abortion laws they couldn't without a constitutional referendum.

So now all you have to do is ask the politicians about your broadband!:)

Morag

RedDawn wrote: »

gimmebroadband, it doesn't matter if the candidates are pro-life or pro-choice. You have the opportunity to say yes to the economic policies that you prefer via this election, but still say no to abortion.

Why?
A referendum is needed in order to change the state's position on abortion in any significant way.

Frankly, not voting for someone because they're pro-choice despite this fact is severe political irresponsibility. This is the most important election in the history of the state post-British withdrawal from the 26 counties. It will shape our political and economic history for the next 25 years, if not longer.

Your opinion on abortion is important, but allow me to make this clear:
It is irrelevent for the purposes of this election.

I disagree there is gathering pressure for the next government to legislate for the abortions which are all ready legal in this country( which the EU courts pointed out should have been done years ago) and that will go directly to the creation of polices and proceedures so that abortions which are currently legal can be carried out for the first time in Ireland and the HSE will no longer has to send/refer women/couples who legally can have an abortion in this country out of the country.

Those who are elected to the Dáil may have to take part in the process to ratify the bills to create the legislation to allow this to happen.

RedDawn

Sharrow wrote: »

I disagree there is gathering pressure for the next government to legislate for the abortions which are all ready legal in this country( which the EU courts pointed out should have been done years ago) and that will go directly to the creation of polices and proceedures so that abortions which are currently legal can be carried out for the first time in Ireland and the HSE will no longer has to send/refer women/couples who legally can have an abortion in this country out of the country.

Those who are elected to the Dáil may have to take part in the process to ratify the bills to create the legislation to allow this to happen.

The laws of the European Union are below those of the Constitution in the event of conflict, but that's not the point.

The Courts in the EU were interpreting current Irish law, that abortion is legal in a narrow set of circumstances. Abortion on demand is not what the European Union has ordered us to legislate for, and to imply so is just plain wrong.

The Dáil has exactly zero capability to legislate beyond current Constitutional law. Your vote for politicians has very little effect on abortion law, whereas it has massive power in determining our economic future.

I'm sorry, but voting for people on the basis a side issue when people are being kicked out of their houses, the youth are leaving and the bankers remain on top is criminal.