Now I have to Vote Fianna Fáil

Side Show Bob

With Enda is too windy to face Vincent Browne, and I don’t in any way condone what Vincent said in regard to Enda the Bottle and the revolver comment, however it was used only as a metaphor and Enda knows it.

Now we are faced with an election and the prospective Taoiseach is ****ting himself with the prospect of a 3 way leader’s debate hosted by one who he sees as a bully, yet he’s on his way to Europe to renegotiate the IMF EU deal.

Maybe Enda could also undo the Lisbon Treaty while he is there, this is all such nonsense, and we have prospectively a Taoiseach who prior to being elected is behaving like an ostrich whose head is firmly buried in the sand or elsewhere.

I for now am against my better judgement going to Vote FF and my reason for it is as follows,
1. We are going to have a new government lead by a Wussbag.
2. The main opposition to be Sinn Féin.
3. The Wussbag will renegotiate the IMF & EU Bailout.
4. The leader of the main opposition dosent know the VAT rate.
5. All of these people together will “provide more employment, sort out the banks and lead us to a better Ireeland”

We are in bigger sh!t than anyone anywhere could ever imagine

cc

you don't have to, vote labour

omahaid

Not to slag off your opinion or anything but I would vote for my cat before FF for the simple reason my cat hasn't proven it cannot run the country (and I believe my cat deserves the benefit of the doubt). Are the no independents to vote for?

bleg

You're not voting for a Taoiseach.

Zillah

Side Show Bob wrote: »

We are in bigger sh!t than anyone anywhere could ever imagine

This generation hasn't the slightest notion of a what a difficult life is. Such pretentious melodrama.

CoalBucket

omahaid wrote: »

Not to slag off your opinion or anything but I would vote for my cat before FF for the simple reason my cat hasn't proven it cannot run the country (and I believe my cat deserves the benefit of the doubt). Are the no independents to vote for?

Has your cat got a manifesto ?

Side Show Bob

cc wrote: »

you don't have to, vote labour

Didn’t think them worth a mention Last time around Pat Rabbite's economic policy was that “some extra money may be found in the bottom drawer” this time it’s “the cute girls on Grafton Street.

Their current leader however popular he is, is blowing only hot air, and changer his policy’s, and their spokeswoman on finance lost all of my respect on live tv just lately.

super_furry

Side Show Bob wrote: »

We are in bigger sh!t than anyone anywhere could ever imagine

So let's keep let the people who caused the mess sh!tting away on us!

Mark200

If Kenny isn't performing as Taoiseach, he'll be replaced by his party. Also, Fine Gaels policies will be largely the same regardless of who's in charge. Voting for another party just because the leader isn't charismatic enough is ridiculous.

freewheeler

Side Show Bob wrote: »

With Enda is too windy to face Vincent Browne, and I don’t in any way condone what Vincent said in regard to Enda the Bottle and the revolver comment, however it was used only as a metaphor and Enda knows it.

Now we are faced with an election and the prospective Taoiseach is ****ting himself with the prospect of a 3 way leader’s debate hosted by one who he sees as a bully, yet he’s on his way to Europe to renegotiate the IMF EU deal.

Maybe Enda could also undo the Lisbon Treaty while he is there, this is all such nonsense, and we have prospectively a Taoiseach who prior to being elected is behaving like an ostrich whose head is firmly buried in the sand or elsewhere.

I for now am against my better judgement going to Vote FF and my reason for it is as follows,
1. We are going to have a new government lead by a Wussbag.
2. The main opposition to be Sinn Féin.
3. The Wussbag will renegotiate the IMF & EU Bailout.
4. The leader of the main opposition dosent know the VAT rate.
5. All of these people together will “provide more employment, sort out the banks and lead us to a better Ireeland”

We are in bigger sh!t than anyone anywhere could ever imagine
Caused (for the most part) by those that you now propose to vote for? I fail to see the logic...

Dubh Geannain

You need to review your logic there Bob.

I'll commend you on one point , in that you're looking at the party from a national perspective and basing your judgement on their leader and not local parish pump issues. But this isn't X-Factor and one man does not make a Government.

Would you care to point out some endearing qualities about Micheál Martin though so we get a bit of balance here.

I'll start: 10+ years in Cabinet, he's leader of Fianna Fáil, set up the HSE, recently turned apologist, he now says we need reform :rolleyes:

Aishae

the thing that would worry me about FF getting back into power - is it would say that all the crap they did was acceptable. which would give them free reign to do worse.
the Taoiseach doesnt have to be the leader or the party - though traditonally he often is.

As stated before, look at the policies. You are not voting in a taoiseach. You are voting in a government. This is not the US elections we are talking about :cool:

You have lots of choices:
Vote for FG as their policies are what you like about the party.
Vote for FF as they're not led by E.N.D.A*
Vote for Lab if you like their policies.


If you see this election run as a popularity contest between leaders, imo, you (and anyone else who thinks this way) should have their right to vote revoked. You should look into the policies of the parties and vote accordingly

dabestman1

Side Show Bob wrote: »

With Enda is too windy to face Vincent Browne, and I don’t in any way condone what Vincent said in regard to Enda the Bottle and the revolver comment, however it was used only as a metaphor and Enda knows it.

Now we are faced with an election and the prospective Taoiseach is ****ting himself with the prospect of a 3 way leader’s debate hosted by one who he sees as a bully, yet he’s on his way to Europe to renegotiate the IMF EU deal.

Maybe Enda could also undo the Lisbon Treaty while he is there, this is all such nonsense, and we have prospectively a Taoiseach who prior to being elected is behaving like an ostrich whose head is firmly buried in the sand or elsewhere.

I for now am against my better judgement going to Vote FF and my reason for it is as follows,
1. We are going to have a new government lead by a Wussbag.
2. The main opposition to be Sinn Féin.
3. The Wussbag will renegotiate the IMF & EU Bailout.
4. The leader of the main opposition dosent know the VAT rate.
5. All of these people together will “provide more employment, sort out the banks and lead us to a better Ireeland”

We are in bigger sh!t than anyone anywhere could ever imagine

we live in a land of idiots and IMO u should be sectioned if u vote for that shower of f'rs.

jdooley28

If FF get back in its actually Vincent Browne's fault. Due to his comments Enda Kenny won't take part in the debate and looks really bad and his show made so many people aware of what a whingeing, moaning, complaining twat Joan Burton is. So thats labour and FG ruled out all because of Vincent:)

CoalBucket

Side Show Bob wrote: »

Didn’t think them worth a mention Last time around Pat Rabbite's economic policy was that “some extra money may be found in the bottom drawer” this time it’s “the cute girls on Grafton Street.

Their current leader however popular he is, is blowing only hot air, and changer his policy’s, and their spokeswoman on finance lost all of my respect on live tv just lately.

Wow your view on TV performanes play a large part in your decision on who to vote for.

This isn't "I'm a celebrity" or the "x factor".

Why don't you read up on the parties policies. Which ever one comes closest to what you believe in vote for them. Not soundbites on the news or some remark on Vincent Browne.

omahaid

CoalBucket wrote: »

Has your cat got a manifesto ?

14-18 hours sleep a day for everyone!

ednwireland

and voting for charisma (bertie) got us where exactly ?

honestly i cant watch the debates and make my mind up on policies

CoalBucket

omahaid wrote: »

14-18 hours sleep a day for everyone!

I like his manifesto let's put it to the testo

Liam Byrne

Side Show Bob wrote: »

Didn’t think them worth a mention Last time around Pat Rabbite's economic policy was that “some extra money may be found in the bottom drawer”

That policy worked for the former leader of the crowd you're contemplating voting for, at least in his personal finances, and that party voted confidence in him.

Side Show Bob wrote: »

Their current leader however popular he is, is blowing only hot air, and changer his policy’s,

......much like Martin's claims of a "new" FF and bringing O'Dea back in, then ?

Side Show Bob wrote: »

and their spokeswoman on finance lost all of my respect on live tv just lately

Lost your respect ?

Have you seen what the Finance guy in the crowd you're saying you'll vote for has done ?

Does he still have your respect ? :eek:

jacool

Side Show Bob wrote: »

With Enda is too windy to face Vincent Browne, and I don’t in any way condone what Vincent said in regard to Enda the Bottle and the revolver comment, however it was used only as a metaphor and Enda knows it.
So you believe anyone can say anything, no matter how controversial, and potentially upsetting, and then just apologise and it all goes away? I still remember when Bertie also mocked suicide as well. That wasn't clever either. You either condone 100% and its not on. You can't them come back and say "however". That's not how to condone.

Regarding debates - Enda is in favour of a 5 leader debate, but you don't mention that here.

Finally, if you think that "Micheál Martin flavour Fianna Fáil lite" is the only thing you can vote for, just remember MM voted for the Anglo bailout and each failed policy of the last 13 years. If there are lots of people like you, and FF get back in, then there are lots of sensible people like me who will have to leave this country in our droves as they drag us even further down in the mire. The last 13 years, unlucky for some, have only shown us how they were self-serving and not thinking of the country at all. He's full of talk now because he knows he won't have to deliver. Promising change and re-structuring when he had 13 years to deliver. Too little, too late and too many lies and bad decisions in the past.

Fouloleron

Ill put simply to all people going to vote FF.

A healthy Government is one which changes. If one particular party stays in power to long, it leads to stagnation in thinking and how it acts at the very least. (which we have just seen happen)

I will vote for anyone but Fianna Fail (don't worry I will do my research before hand) as to me, they are to stagnant and out of touch to be out government.

So there you go, at the very base, this government needs time out of office to grow as a party.

Sir Oxman

Since this gaffe by FG and Kenny today I've been critical of him too. It has done him no favours at all and has distracted from the actual real issues which face the country.
But as others have pointed out, this isn't the X Factor it's the policies we all need to be basing our vote on.
No doubt this has damaged him and for that he deserves to get a hammering for a couple of days, as he will I'm sure.

If you agree with FG policy, don't be swayed not to vote for them by the leader's tv performances or arguments over the format and presenters.

If you genuinely think FF have the best policies to give Ireland a chance, go ahead and vote for them but FFS base it on more than Kenny's hairdo or lack of charisma or a row over tv debates.

For the record, I think he should not have come out with such a pathetic excuse today but it has not persuaded me to change my voting intentions.
I will vote on policy and to give Ireland the best chance to get out of this mess.

Pete_Cavan

gambiaman wrote: »

Since this gaffe by FG and Kenny today I've been critical of him too. It has done him no favours at all and has distracted from the actual real issues which face the country.
But as others have pointed out, this isn't the X Factor it's the policies we all need to be basing our vote on.

Exactly. Also with Noonan, Bruton, Reilly, Coveney, Varadkar, FG have a number of people who know what they are talking about. Enda may not be the most impressive Taoiseach but he will certainly have the best ministers backing him up.

Sir Oxman

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

Exactly. Also with Noonan, Bruton, Reilly, Coveney, Varadkar, FG have a number of people who know what they are talking about. Enda may not be the most impressive Taoiseach but he will certainly have the best ministers backing him up.

Well, except for Coveney! But yeah, their front bench is the best line-up in my opinion and if they don't get the numbers, there's a few good Labour frontbenchers too.

bmaxi

Papa Smut wrote: »

As stated before, look at the policies. You are not voting in a taoiseach. You are voting in a government. This is not the US elections we are talking about :cool:

You have lots of choices:
Vote for FG as their policies are what you like about the party.
Vote for FF as they're not led by E.N.D.A*
Vote for Lab if you like their policies.


If you see this election run as a popularity contest between leaders, imo, you (and anyone else who thinks this way) should have their right to vote revoked. You should look into the policies of the parties and vote accordingly

That doesn't wash. Presumably those people who chose Kenny as leader would have seen him as someone who could argue the position on their policies, not wimp out at the first prospect of a serious grilling.
This is not about personalities, it's about having the courage of your convictions, if Kenny had that he wouldn't give a toss who was chairing the debate.

oldyouth

bleg wrote: »

You're not voting for a Taoiseach.

Nail on the head post. Nobody voted for Cowen as Taoiseach, so vote for the party that you think can sort this ****e out.

I heard a comment today from an auld boy. 'sure they can't make the same mistakes again, so why not give them another chance'.

Anyone up for that?

PomBear

Side Show Bob wrote: »

I for now am against my better judgement going to Vote FF and my reason for it is as follows,
1. We are going to have a new government lead by a Wussbag.

You don't for a leader, vote for a party to be leading party

Side Show Bob wrote: »

2. The main opposition to be Sinn Féin.

Opposition to the opposition, oh dear....

Also FF are in no position to say their policy is better than SF's, far from it.

Side Show Bob wrote: »

3. The Wussbag will renegotiate the IMF & EU Bailout.

1. Someone has to
2. He might not take it on himself

Side Show Bob wrote: »

4. The leader of the main opposition dosent know the VAT rate.

The TDs in FF don't know economics or anything for that matter. full stop.

Side Show Bob wrote: »

5. All of these people together will “provide more employment, sort out the banks and lead us to a better Ireeland”

FF certainly won't, i'm not an FG supporter but that's kinda what a Government should do when a recession happens

Side Show Bob wrote: »

We are in bigger sh!t than anyone anywhere could ever imagine

Because of FF! and ironically their economic illiteracy.

Killer Pigeon

It's a vicious cycle.

rodento

Dubh Geannain wrote: »

You need to review your logic there Bob.

I'll commend you on one point , in that you're looking at the party from a national perspective and basing your judgement on their leader and not local parish pump issues. But this isn't X-Factor and one man does not make a Government.

Would you care to point out some endearing qualities about Micheál Martin though so we get a bit of balance here.

I'll start: 10+ years in Cabinet, he's leader of Fianna Fáil, set up the HSE, recently turned apologist, he now says we need reform :rolleyes:

To true, the leader isn't the party but by christ man, he could be our head of state and that is just a plain embarrassment:(

Liam Byrne

rodento wrote: »

To true, the leader isn't the party but by christ man, he could be our head of state and that is just a plain embarrassment:(

He's still far, far less of an embarrassment than the two most recent heads of state!

Sir Oxman

rodento wrote: »

To true, the leader isn't the party but by christ man, he could be our head of state and that is just a plain embarrassment:(

Nah, that'll probably be Norris.

ChippingSodbury

Gosh I'm depressed about this election. I was going to vote FG but they seem to be making an absolute mess of organising their campaign: if they can't run a small project like that, what chance have we of them running the country well?
Every party was saying that this election was going to be so important for the country and that they weren't going to delve into auction politics: the campaign is only three days old and already they are promising all sorts of things, most of which I presume is being done to be popular rather than guide the country in the right direction. e.g. FG talking about special tax relief for certain sectors in negative equity etc.
Also, I don't think FF are to blame for all of our woes: I'm afraid we, the people of Ireland, are all in some way responsible, whether it was buying houses at inflated prices, asking constantly for more in term of salary, spending like there was no tomorrow etc. etc. etc. The other frightening thing is that the opposition was calling for more spending on this that and the other for the last 10 years also: these are the guys in most part who will be governing us from next month onwards. There was nobody (or very, very few) who were calling for a stop to the construction boom because it created employment for thousands directly involved in construction, it created employment for tens of thousands indirectly. Who in their right mind would have said stop??
So who should I vote for now? I would agree with the general tack that FF are offering but they have spent too much time in power and we need a change: punishment for wrong-doing is also necessary. FG, I thought, were espousing many of the same ideas but seem to be starting to meander a bit. If they go into coalition with Labour, I honestly think we are heading for a long, long time in the economic wilderness because I don't think Labour will allow introduction of the cuts in spending that we really need: Eamonn Gilmore blows an awful lot of hot air and seems to be telling the people what they want to hear rather than giving us policies that will make us grow once again. I was kind of hoping for a FG majority but the idea seems to be getting less and less likely every day.

rodento

Liam Byrne wrote: »

He's still far, far less of an embarrassment than the two most recent heads of state!

As taoiseach he will be a national liability and could do more damage to the country than Anglo Irish bank. And in case your wondering I'm not totally anti FG, I think they could do well with richard at the helm, but Enda as leader of this country,its just beyond a joke.

Just take the last few days, the fiasco over the debates, the FG election launch and the find enda kenny campaign.

Won't even mention what happenned today

bleg

I really don't care how charismatic he is. We all know shy people who are absolutely excellent at their jobs.

Side Show Bob

ChippingSodbury wrote: »

Gosh I'm depressed about this election. I was going to vote FG but they seem to be making an absolute mess of organising their campaign: if they can't run a small project like that, what chance have we of them running the country well?
Every party was saying that this election was going to be so important for the country and that they weren't going to delve into auction politics: the campaign is only three days old and already they are promising all sorts of things, most of which I presume is being done to be popular rather than guide the country in the right direction. e.g. FG talking about special tax relief for certain sectors in negative equity etc.
Also, I don't think FF are to blame for all of our woes: I'm afraid we, the people of Ireland, are all in some way responsible, whether it was buying houses at inflated prices, asking constantly for more in term of salary, spending like there was no tomorrow etc. etc. etc. The other frightening thing is that the opposition was calling for more spending on this that and the other for the last 10 years also: these are the guys in most part who will be governing us from next month onwards. There was nobody (or very, very few) who were calling for a stop to the construction boom because it created employment for thousands directly involved in construction, it created employment for tens of thousands indirectly. Who in their right mind would have said stop??
So who should I vote for now? I would agree with the general tack that FF are offering but they have spent too much time in power and we need a change: punishment for wrong-doing is also necessary. FG, I thought, were espousing many of the same ideas but seem to be starting to meander a bit. If they go into coalition with Labour, I honestly think we are heading for a long, long time in the economic wilderness because I don't think Labour will allow introduction of the cuts in spending that we really need: Eamonn Gilmore blows an awful lot of hot air and seems to be telling the people what they want to hear rather than giving us policies that will make us grow once again. I was kind of hoping for a FG majority but the idea seems to be getting less and less likely every day.

I remember correctly during the run up to the last election FG wanted to increase public spending. Enda wanted "abolish Stamp Duty" as the country didn't need it

rodento

bleg wrote: »

I really don't care how charismatic he is. We all know shy people who are absolutely excellent at their jobs.

Not when the job is taoiseach

bleg

Appearing slick might matter to you but doesn't really appeal to me.

lendmeyourear

Side Show Bob wrote: »

With Enda is too windy to face Vincent Browne, and I don’t in any way condone what Vincent said in regard to Enda the Bottle and the revolver comment, however it was used only as a metaphor and Enda knows it.

Now we are faced with an election and the prospective Taoiseach is ****ting himself with the prospect of a 3 way leader’s debate hosted by one who he sees as a bully, yet he’s on his way to Europe to renegotiate the IMF EU deal.

Maybe Enda could also undo the Lisbon Treaty while he is there, this is all such nonsense, and we have prospectively a Taoiseach who prior to being elected is behaving like an ostrich whose head is firmly buried in the sand or elsewhere.

I for now am against my better judgement going to Vote FF and my reason for it is as follows,
1. We are going to have a new government lead by a Wussbag.
2. The main opposition to be Sinn Féin.
3. The Wussbag will renegotiate the IMF & EU Bailout.
4. The leader of the main opposition dosent know the VAT rate.
5. All of these people together will “provide more employment, sort out the banks and lead us to a better Ireeland”

We are in bigger sh!t than anyone anywhere could ever imagine

My thinking exactly.....

the dead weights have almost left FF,
Noonan - I will never forgive him for what he did to Bridget McCole
Joan Burton is the biggest whiner I have ever heard, when she comes on I switch off...
Labour are scary
Agree that poor Enda is a wussie, nice man though...
Sin Fein...would not let them next or near our economy
Greens, never ever...

so that leaves FF, and I am beginning to feel better about them as I listen to the BS of what the others are going to achieve...

lendmeyourear

jdooley28 wrote: »

If FF get back in its actually Vincent Browne's fault. Due to his comments Enda Kenny won't take part in the debate and looks really bad and his show made so many people aware of what a whingeing, moaning, complaining twat Joan Burton is. So thats labour and FG ruled out all because of Vincent:)

I applaud Vincent B for showing Joan Burton in her full colours.

lendmeyourear

ChippingSodbury wrote: »

Gosh I'm depressed about this election. I was going to vote FG but they seem to be making an absolute mess of organising their campaign: if they can't run a small project like that, what chance have we of them running the country well?
Every party was saying that this election was going to be so important for the country and that they weren't going to delve into auction politics: the campaign is only three days old and already they are promising all sorts of things, most of which I presume is being done to be popular rather than guide the country in the right direction. e.g. FG talking about special tax relief for certain sectors in negative equity etc.
Also, I don't think FF are to blame for all of our woes: I'm afraid we, the people of Ireland, are all in some way responsible, whether it was buying houses at inflated prices, asking constantly for more in term of salary, spending like there was no tomorrow etc. etc. etc. The other frightening thing is that the opposition was calling for more spending on this that and the other for the last 10 years also: these are the guys in most part who will be governing us from next month onwards. There was nobody (or very, very few) who were calling for a stop to the construction boom because it created employment for thousands directly involved in construction, it created employment for tens of thousands indirectly. Who in their right mind would have said stop??
So who should I vote for now? I would agree with the general tack that FF are offering but they have spent too much time in power and we need a change: punishment for wrong-doing is also necessary. FG, I thought, were espousing many of the same ideas but seem to be starting to meander a bit. If they go into coalition with Labour, I honestly think we are heading for a long, long time in the economic wilderness because I don't think Labour will allow introduction of the cuts in spending that we really need: Eamonn Gilmore blows an awful lot of hot air and seems to be telling the people what they want to hear rather than giving us policies that will make us grow once again. I was kind of hoping for a FG majority but the idea seems to be getting less and less likely every day.

I so wanted a change of Government but when I listened to what the incumbents were saying, I began to feel much safer with the devil I knew. Pity Mr.B.Lenehan did not get command....

Teddy455

lendmeyourear wrote: »

My thinking exactly.....

the dead weights have almost left FF,
Noonan - I will never forgive him for what he did to Bridget McCole
Joan Burton is the biggest whiner I have ever heard, when she comes on I switch off...
Labour are scary
Agree that poor Enda is a wussie, nice man though...
Sin Fein...would not let them next or near our economy
Greens, never ever...

so that leaves FF, and I am beginning to feel better about them as I listen to the BS of what the others are going to achieve...

You must be joking giving out about the others will do without thinking what fianna fail has done in the first place PUT IN THE WORST SITUATION WE HAVE EVER BEEN IN. and you think they will fix this after creating this BS themselves.

Think again at the bigger picture FF created this mess and the wont get us out us this!

Liam Byrne

lendmeyourear wrote: »

My thinking exactly.....

the dead weights have almost left FF,

What about all the ones left who voted with their dire policies for the last 5 years, and the fact that their "new" leader is happy to install a perjurer in his key positions ?

crebel81

lendmeyourear wrote: »

My thinking exactly.....

the dead weights have almost left FF,
Noonan - I will never forgive him for what he did to Bridget McCole
Joan Burton is the biggest whiner I have ever heard, when she comes on I switch off...
Labour are scary
Agree that poor Enda is a wussie, nice man though...
Sin Fein...would not let them next or near our economy
Greens, never ever...

so that leaves FF, and I am beginning to feel better about them as I listen to the BS of what the others are going to achieve...

And what have FF achieved?? Just look at the country...ghost estates, bail outs, unemployment, emigration, IMF, HSE etc

The list is endless.

As one poster said earlier, letting these clowns into government again is like saying "walk all over us why dont you".

You must be deluded!!

2 stroke

I'm plan to cast my first preference vote only, and I think others should considering doing the same. I see it as a way of voteing and yet registering a protest vote. Consider the shockwave of no transfers from the poll toppers/majority of politicians loosing their deposits.

Sir Oxman

lendmeyourear wrote: »

My thinking exactly.....

the dead weights have almost left FF,
Noonan - I will never forgive him for what he did to Bridget McCole
Joan Burton is the biggest whiner I have ever heard, when she comes on I switch off...
Labour are scary
Agree that poor Enda is a wussie, nice man though...
Sin Fein...would not let them next or near our economy
Greens, never ever...

so that leaves FF, and I am beginning to feel better about them as I listen to the BS of what the others are going to achieve...

It was just two months ago that FF brought the calamity and humliation of the IMF to our shores - in any normal country that would be enough for electoral wipeout.
In Ireland, we have people, after a row over a tv debate no less, saying they will go back to the same organisation that has us up **** creek!

Good luck with that one.

PomBear

They're all coming out now!

I-Shot-Jr

Omahaid's cat vote no. 1

Magi11

jdooley28 wrote: »

If FF get back in its actually Vincent Browne's fault. Due to his comments Enda Kenny won't take part in the debate and looks really bad and his show made so many people aware of what a whingeing, moaning, complaining twat Joan Burton is. So thats labour and FG ruled out all because of Vincent:)

You people seem to think that TV shows and debates are important. They will just be a collection of soundbites already heard about 10 times since the campaign started if they are heard at all over the constant interrupting. The debates are a creation of TV to sell advertising. No new plan or idea will emerge from them, not if we had 2 for every day left in this tiresome event, would anything original be said. Heres a quick summary; FF are in trouble due to mismanaging the economy and that for the first time in 40 years they couldn't buy the election with a give away budget to the idiots (that's us by the way).FG have the best policies with the least charismatic leader (a trait you would think we would have tired of, considering how much trouble that got us into recently, but don't forget we're idiots). Labour have the most charismatic leader but they've been short on specifics for about 2 years. If anyone thinks that giving FF another chance is a good idea, just remember how long the people of Donegal South West had to wait for their by election. Even trying to argue their case in the courts and wasting more of our money doing so. Its the kind of thing you should read about in a third world dictatorship. And all to cling to power by their grubby fingernails because clinging to power is in the FF DNA. It's what attracted all these TD's (hoping and worryingly succeeding in some cases that we will forget the past and ignore the future) to the party in the first place. Nice couldn't be renegotiated, it was. Lisbon couldn't be renegotiated, it was. Guess what? The EU deal can be renegotiated but FF have to claim it can't because the next question is why didn't you? Brian Lenihan isn't sorry for the mess he made of things, yet Micheal Martin would have him back as Min of Finance.

Liam Byrne

rodento wrote: »

As taoiseach he will be a national liability and could do more damage to the country than Anglo Irish bank.

Two words. Ahern & Cowen.

Anglo Irish Bank did its damage because of the above, with the full support of their party. A party which included their current leader.

Now that's what I'd call a national liability.

johnmcdnl

Gerry Adams wouldn't be ****ting it if the big European bullies tried to take him on

but when you tell me he's a terrorist I'll say you could vote Labour because why is everyone so set in stone that FG are going to lead the next dail..

if enough people vote labour well then labour would be running the dail and it'd be eamon gilmore going out to europe to represent us - which is better than fecking FF..

how could you consider even voting FF - haven't you realised by now that it was FF that put us here for all that is good don't vote FF