New format .22lr shoot planned for MNSCI

dCorbus

I've already posted this over in the Target Shooting section, but just in case some of you lads strenuously avoid looking over there in the squeeky bum section;), have a look at this new format .22lr multi-distance multi-position competition being held down in Midlands on Saturday 19th February.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=70446944&postcount=3

It may be of interest and, dare I say it, it could be even be fun!

(By the way, this is the handywork of a couple of Boardies, namely myself, clivej, and bunnyshooter, so we expect to see a queue out the door at sign-up time!:rolleyes::D)

sfakiaman

Sounds like fun, I'll be there if at all possible, hope the weather improves. Will ordinary slings be allowed?

Congrats to you three for organising this.

dCorbus

Thanks.

Will ordinary slings be allowed?

Yes.

Ordinary two-point shoulder or carrying slings (i.e. the ones we use up and down fields and hills) can used.
ISSF, Target Rifle, Palma, and other fancy pants target slings cannot be used.

fourtycoats

Can you use a two point military sling?

Grizzly 45

Sounds good.Weather and time permitting I'll be there.

Vegeta

What's the deal with moderators on the rifle dC, are they allowed or not?

Fantastic Idea and I hope attendance is great. Will be in Wicklow myself that weekend but it sounds like good old fashioned fun

clivej

Guests of Members are allowed as long as they have their license and proper shooting insurance. I don't know of any limit of guests to members.

The targets and stages of fire are "User Friendly" but with the 'will I won't I' take the shot and loose the card score. It's ment to be a fun day out much like the fox shooting competitions a couple of years back.


Any 22lr can take part but it's limited to no fancy target shooting gear.

See you there.

clivej

The Inaugural 2011

MNSCI Technical .22lr Positional Competition

at

Midlands MNSCI, Blueball, Tullamore

Saturday 19th February 2011


The MNSCI are holding a new format competition shoot for .22lr rifles on Saturday 19th February.

The idea is to have a fun shoot and some enjoyably friendly-competition! The course-of-fire and targets etc have been designed to test shooters skills at various distances and in various shooting positions using .22lr 'sporter' or varmint type rifles. (Basically, a fun days competition for our plinking and bunny guns!)

The general format of the competition will be targets at 25, 50, 75, and 100m, with various sized targets shot in the prone, kneeling/sitting, and standing positions. So plenty of fun and variety there for all!

Basic rules:

- .22lr rifles only;
- Scopes or iron sights only;
- Both bolt action and semi-auto allowed;
- Any commercially available .22lr ammo allowed;
- No target aperture sights;
- No back bags, sand bags, rests, sticks, or ISSF type slings allowed;
- Bipods of Harris type are allowed or you may shoot off the elbows;
- No front rests (other than Harris type bipods)

There's a couple more bits and bobs, but nothing too scary. Basically, if you use it in the field, you can use it in this shoot. The main rule is: If it ain't fixed to the rifle, you can't use it. Simples!

MNSCI members will be informed directly about this shortly.

The shoot will open be for MNSCI Members and their Guests.

All shooters must be licenced to the rifle they want to use and all guests must provide proof of insurance when signing in. MNSCI Members may bring guests, but all guests must be vouched for at sign-in on the day.

The entry charges will be €10 each for MNSCI Members and €15 each for Members' Guests.


The course-of-fire will be:


Round 1:

• 25m 2 Shots Standing (Timed)
• 25m 2 Shots Kneeling/Sitting (Timed)
• 50m 5 Shots Prone (Timed)
• 75m 5 Shots Prone (Timed)
• 100m 5 Shots Prone (Timed)

Round 2:

• 50m 1-5 Shots Standing (Timed)
• 75m 1-5 Shots Prone (Timed)
• 100m 1-5 Shots Prone (Timed)

(Round 2 will be shot as a "know-your-limits" round: Any or all 5 of the target roundels in Round 2 may be shot to score. The shooter may shoot any number of shots to score, up to and including 5 shots on target. However, should the shooter miss any target roundel, the total score for that stage of the round will be zero. The trick is to "know your limits" and to know when to stop!)

bunny shooter

dCorbus wrote: »

.............(By the way, this is the handywork of a couple of Boardies, namely myself, clivej, and bunnyshooter, so we expect to see a queue out the door at sign-up time!:rolleyes::D)

sfakiaman wrote: »

...............Congrats to you three for organising this.

For the record, I have been involved in the planning stages but afaik dCorbus has put in most of the work on this.

I hope to make the actual shoot but am not sure yet that I can

dCorbus

Thanks Lads,

Just to briefly answer a couple of questions which have been asked:

Can you use a two point military sling?

If you mean a two-point military or tactical sling, the answer is No. If the sling is able to be attached at a single point to the shooter, e.g. at the bicep or elbow or chest (by way of a cuff or other means), then this is not allowed.

As I posted earlier: Ordinary two-point shoulder or carrying slings (i.e. the ones we use up and down fields and hills) can used. ISSF, Target Rifle, Palma, and other fancy pants target slings cannot be used.

If you are unclear as to what is or is not permitted to be used, PM me with a photo and we can make a decision. Thanks.

What's the deal with moderators on the rifle dC, are they allowed or not?

Sorry, forgot to mention that: Yes, moderators, suppressors, and muzzle brakes are all allowed.


A couple of lads have asked questions by PM, but I'll provide some more of the detailed rules and information here to avoid any confusion:

Who can enter:

• The competition is open to all members of MNSCI and their Guests, who hold a valid and current FAC for their .22LR rifle.
• There is no limit (within reason) of how many guests a member may invite to the competition. However, as the member must sign-in and vouch for their guests, it would be unwise and irresponsible for any member to sign-in a shooter who they do not know and or cannot vouch for. The member will be held responsible by the Range for the behaviour of the guest on the day - so please be sensible about this. Thanks.
• All competitors must be in possession of a valid and current Firearms Certificate for the rifle they wish to use.
• All Members Guests must present their FAC (for the relevant rifle) and Proof of Insurance at Registration. If you do not have both insurance and an FAC for the rifle you intend using, please do not just turn up on the off-chance this will be overlooked: it won't - you will not be allowed use the range nor shoot in the competition.
• All Guests must be vouched for and signed-in by a MNSCI member, who will vouch for that guest during the shoot and whilst their guest is on the range, and that member will be responsible for the guests behaviour whilst on the range (all in accordance with the MNSCI range rules).

Types of Rifle and Calibres Allowed:

• The competition is for 22LR Calibre Only
• No other calibres may be used. All rifles proposed to be used must be registered with the organisers at Registration on the day of the competition. (For the purposes of clarity and to avoid any potential disappointment: .22WMR, .17, .223, .220, etc. may NOT be used).
• Both .22lr Bolt Action and .22lr Semi Automatic Rifles may be used. All rifles will compete in the one class.
• In the interests of fairness, any competitor found shooting with a rifle of a calibre other than 22LR will be immediately disqualified and removed from the Firing Line.

Equipment & Gear Allowed:

ONLY the following items of equipment CAN be used (Any combination of this equipment list may be used):

• Bipod (Must be of standard detachable type, Harris-type or Similar),
• Scope (Any magnification scope may be used at the discretion of the competitor),
• Ironsights,
• Moderators/Suppressors,
• Muzzle Brakes,
• Shooting Mat,
• Standard 2-point Shoulder-sling,
• Knee-pads (In the Kneeling Position, these may be used for the comfort and safety of competitors)

For the purposes of clarity and to avoid any confusion, the following items of equipment (amongst others) CANNOT be used:

• No Kneeling Rolls
• No Front Shooting Rests of any kind (other than standard attachable bipods of Harris or similar type – Benchrest or F-Open type bipods/frontrests are not permitted)
• No Red-dot Scopes
• No “Laser” Scopes / Rangefinders
• No Target aperture-sights
• No rests, backbags, sandbags, backrests, sticks, slings (other than standard 2-point shoulder slings), shooting jackets, boots, or trousers (issf-type or other supporting clothing), or ANY other external support aids, other than those permitted above.

If you are unsure as to whether your equipment will comply with the competition rules, it is your responsibility to check with the organisers at registration and adjudication will be made prior to the commencement of competition shooting. The use of equipment other than that specified as permitted and registered with the organisers will result in immediate disqualification and the competitor may be asked to leave the firing line.


I hope that will answer a lot of the questions lads have.

We're trying to keep this as simple as possible. And therefore we are keeping the equipment and rifle options as simple as possible.

Thanks

dC

bunny shooter

Can't make this one...................gutted :mad:

Best of luck hope it goes well.

I'll make next one

MACT1RE

It seems like this is a competition designed to get the rabbit men in from the fields for some fun at the range and it’s a good idea but what’s the reasoning behind limiting it to just .22lr instead of all Rimfire rifles? An awful lot of lads have moved from the .22lr to the .22wmr and .17hmr for small animal hunting. In terms of using hunting rifles for target work, there is very little difference among the rimfire rounds. You seem to be excluding a lot of potential interest for very little reason.

bunny shooter

MACT1RE wrote: »

........An awful lot of lads have moved from the .22lr to the .22wmr and .17hmr for small animal hunting..

More fool them :P All you need for bunny shooting is a .22lr if you're good enough :P And for the record 90% + of the lads I know who shoot bunnies use .22lr

The "fox" competitions ended up the same way and this is why I personally pulled out of them :rolleyes:

So why don't you/they organise a competition for your/their calibre/s?

MACT1RE

bunny shooter wrote: »

More fool them :P All you need for bunny shooting is a .22lr if you're good enough :P And for the record 90% + of the lads I know who shoot bunnies use .22lr

The "fox" competitions ended up the same way and this is why I personally pulled out of them :rolleyes:

So why don't you/they organise a competition for your/their calibre/s?

That doesn’t answer the question, if your going to the effort of organising a small game hunting rifle style competition, based around field situations, why exclude the other rimfire rounds? It’s just a question. If you’ve decided to exclude them, you must have thought about it and have a reason.
For the record, I have a .22lr myself.
Best of luck with the comp.

bunny shooter

Simple answer to your question ................ the three of us have a .22lr and the ammo is cheap

Now you answer mine...................

So why don't you/they organise a competition for your/their calibre/s? Oh ya! you have a .22lr............so why are you worried about other calibres?

MACT1RE

bunny shooter wrote: »

Simple answer to your question ................ the three of us have a .22lr and the ammo is cheap

Now you answer mine...................

So why don't you/they organise a competition for your/their calibre/s? Oh ya! you have a .22lr............so why are you worried about other calibres?

You know what bunny, forget I asked, cause if you can’t even see the reason for the question then the answer is irrelevant.

Fair play to the three of ye for organising the comp, I hope it goes well for ye.

clivej

MACT1RE wrote: »

It seems like this is a competition designed to get the rabbit men in from the fields for some fun at the range and it’s a good idea but what’s the reasoning behind limiting it to just .22lr instead of all Rimfire rifles? An awful lot of lads have moved from the .22lr to the .22wmr and .17hmr for small animal hunting. In terms of using hunting rifles for target work, there is very little difference among the rimfire rounds. You seem to be excluding a lot of potential interest for very little reason.

I actually can't give you an answer to that question.
It started out as trying to get a comp. together for the low powered rifles and as we only has 22lr's then that what the comp. was designed around.
I think because the drop of a .17 between 25 and 100 was so little, 'cos it's flat shooting, the degree of skill was not the same as the 22lr shooters where the drop is like a brick.

bunny shooter

clivej wrote: »

...............I think because the drop of a .17 between 25 and 100 was so little, 'cos it's flat shooting, the degree of skill was not the same as the 22lr shooters where the drop is like a brick.

That too :P

MACT1RE wrote: »

You know what bunny, forget I asked,.......

OK so

MACT1RE

clivej wrote: »

I actually can't give you an answer to that question.
It started out as trying to get a comp. together for the low powered rifles and as we only has 22lr's then that what the comp. was designed around.
I think because the drop of a .17 between 25 and 100 was so little, 'cos it's flat shooting, the degree of skill was not the same as the 22lr shooters where the drop is like a brick.

I see where you’re coming from Clive. If part of the comp is to quickly change between different distances or even estimate distance then a .17hmr would have an advantage over a 22lr. But in terms of pure accuracy at a known distance I’d say a good 22lr with subs should have the edge, especially over a 22wmr. I just think you might get more interest and attendance if it was open to all Rimfire rounds as they are a nicely balanced category and most lads would have some type of Rimfire.
What type of target are ye using?

MACT1RE

bunny shooter wrote: »

That too :P



OK so

Good man Bunny, got the edit in before I could respond.

MACT1RE

I'm all for this type of competition by the way and my questions are on the level in case it came across otherwise. I think this sort of comp is a great way to give lads, who might not normally enter any formal comp, a taste of what it’s like.
Unfortunately I won't make it myself as I'm in the middle of changing my bolt action for a semi.

bunny shooter

MACT1RE wrote: »

Good man Bunny, got the edit in before I could respond.

Gotta be fast to catch this bunny

clivej

MACT1RE wrote: »

I see where you’re coming from Clive. If part of the comp is to quickly change between different distances or even estimate distance then a .17hmr would have an advantage over a 22lr. But in terms of pure accuracy at a known distance I’d say a good 22lr with subs should have the edge, especially over a 22wmr. I just think you might get more interest and attendance if it was open to all Rimfire rounds as they are a nicely balanced category and most lads would have some type of Rimfire.
What type of target are ye using?

MACT1RE wrote: »

I'm all for this type of competition by the way and my questions are on the level in case it came across otherwise. I think this sort of comp is a great way to give lads, who might not normally enter any formal comp, a taste of what it’s like.
Unfortunately I won't make it myself as I'm in the middle of changing my bolt action for a semi.

Targets will be put up soon. But it's gona be fun/skill.
If it all goes well another will be run off in the summer.

Pity your changing but it should only take a week to get a sub. license so we may see you there yet

dCorbus

It seems like this is a competition designed to get the rabbit men in from the fields for some fun at the range and it’s a good idea but what’s the reasoning behind limiting it to just .22lr instead of all Rimfire rifles? An awful lot of lads have moved from the .22lr to the .22wmr and .17hmr for small animal hunting. In terms of using hunting rifles for target work, there is very little difference among the rimfire rounds. You seem to be excluding a lot of potential interest for very little reason.

+1 on the explanations given above by bunnyshooter and clivej.

A couple of points which I'd like to clarify myself:

It seems like this is a competition designed to get the rabbit men in from the fields for some fun at the range

It's a competition designed to try to get as many shooters as possible onto a level playing field and have some fun whilst shooting a varied and challenging (but not too difficult) variety of targets.

It hasn't been specifically designed for the rabbit men! They of course were firmly in the forefront of our minds when working this out, but we also had to take into consideration the plinkers, informal target shooters, target shooters, etc etc. Basically, try and create a new format (from relative scratch, albeit "borrowing" ideas from all over the place) which the maximum number of shooters could take part in on a level playing field.

For this reason, it has been designed for .22lr as this is the most common, cheapest, and least specialised calibre for short to medium ranges. It is also why we are discouraging the use of target rifles and would prefer "sporters" and "varmints" - by all means use a .22lr target rifle, but good luck to you holding that up with no fancy-pants target equipment. I could stick a scope on and use my Anschutz target rifle - but I'm not going to because that is not the spirit of what we're trying to do, nor do I want to put my back out trying to use it kneeling or standing!

So come one, come all - It's a level playing field - and it's a .22lr playing field.

The main reason Why? Coz we decided it would be!:p:D

what’s the reasoning behind limiting it to just .22lr instead of all Rimfire rifles?

For example, should we also should run a competition for all centrefire rifles?

How about my .308 versus bunnyshooters .303 versus joe blogg's .22 Hornet versus someone elses 6mmBR versus etc. etc. etc.......Now you see why we have to level the pitch?

All rifles calibres have their own characteristics and since we are trying to keep this simple, we are not differentiating rifles into different classes or calibres or weights or whatever. To allow lads to use different calibres would not be a level playing field and therefore was decided to limit it to .22lr (the most common calibre TBH) right at the beginning.

An awful lot of lads have moved from the .22lr to the .22wmr and .17hmr for small animal hunting.

Yes, but an awful lot more lads still have .22lr's.
We can't please everyone all of the time - but we're not really trying to do that either.

And this format has been worked out with the interests of many shooters in mind, not just the lads hunting small animals, but to appeal to the wider church of shooters.:)

What type of target are ye using?

A specially designed one: honed, tried and tested in the field by specialists!:rolleyes::rolleyes::D

I'll post up a sample one for all to see shortly.

I'm all for this type of competition by the way and my questions are on the level in case it came across otherwise.

Fair enough, Thanks.

I think this sort of comp is a great way to give lads, who might not normally enter any formal comp, a taste of what it’s like.

Exactly!:)

And level off that playing field too!;)


Thanks,

dC

clivej

I tried shooting standing free hand @50m today. Just to say I won't be putting in much of a challenge to anyone.

To say I shot minute of barn door would be kind :o

It wasn't me!

Having had a word with dC earlier, I may actually be making this. Will be good to put a few more faces to names. Shall have to practise with the sporting rifle now...

Bananaman

I assume a Buckmark would be fine for this?

B'Man

clivej

Bananaman wrote: »

I assume a Buckmark would be fine for this?

B'Man

If it's 22lr then come on down:)

Mr.Flibble

clivej wrote: »

If it's 22lr then come on down:)

I don't think they come in anything else.


What do you have against pump and, more particularly, lever action rifles?

clivej

Mr.Flibble wrote: »

I don't think they come in anything else.


What do you have against pump and, more particularly, lever action rifles?

I can't see a problem with either if they are 22lr. Will talk with DC in the morning about them. I'd like to see a pump there shooting.

bunny shooter

clivej wrote: »

I can't see a problem with either if they are 22lr.......

+1

dCorbus

Bananaman wrote: »

I assume a Buckmark would be fine for this?

You assume correctly!
The Buckmark rifle (not the pistol), in .22lr, may be used in this competition.

Mr.Flibble wrote: »

What do you have against pump and, more particularly, lever action rifles?

First off: We don't have anything against pump or lever action rifles, for the record.:p
Life's far too short to hold such personal grudges against various rifle actions - in fact, I've been wondering why anyone would hold such a grudge - a personal preference perhaps, but such strong feelings as may be considered a grudge? good lord, perish the thought!:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::D

But seriously, to answer your question, the Provisional Competition Rules & Disciplinary Adhoc Interim Sub-Committee of the National TTTLRPCRSSA have convened an adhoc extraordinary session, and having considered in detail all relevant submissions**, are of the opinion that and can confirm that: Any .22lr action (other than breech- or muzzle-loading, I suppose) is fine for this competition.

TBH I didn't realise that a pump-action .22 rifle action existed - but it turns out it does! (Every day is a school-day around here!:D)

Hope that's of some help and clears up the confusion.

Any more questions: Ask away!:)

**i.e. dCorbus & Clivej had a chat over a coffee and bunnyshooter already posted his opinion on this.

Sparks

dCorbus wrote: »

Any .22lr action (other than breech- or muzzle-loading, I suppose) is fine for this competition.

You anti-muzzle-loading bastards.

clivej

Sparks wrote: »

You anti-muzzle-loading bastards.

.....................Where's the report button...................

I take exception your remark about my good friend dCorbus

dCorbus

Sparks wrote: »

You anti-muzzle-loading bastards.

And while I'm at it: Belt-fed .22's aren't allowed either!:p

And it's B'Stard, I'll have you know!!!!

clivej wrote: »

I take exception your remark about my good friend dCorbus

Oh, thanks an effin' million, clivej! You never heard of "cabinet collective responsibility", eh mate?:p

:D:rolleyes:

dCorbus

clivej wrote: »

Targets will be put up soon. But it's gona be fun/skill.

As my learned colleague, Mr. Clivej, mentioned previously, here's an example of the kind of target we'll be using!:



See! We told you all it's not going to be too hard.;):D


Following a chat myself and clivej had on Monday, we have made a couple of very minor alterations to the course-of-fire, to ensure that things are not too difficult:

• Round 1 (Stages 1 & 2) at 25m in the Standing and then Sitting/Kneeling positions will be shot onto the same enlarged target. Each stage will still consist of 2 rounds timed, but the target size has been increased (as it was proving waaaaayyyyy to hard to hit!).
• Round 2 (Stage 1) at 50m in the Standing position will consist of 5 shots onto one target and will not now be done as a "know-your-limits" stage (again, this was proving nigh on impossible to hit).

We've made these changes to ensure that most shooters will at the very least hit a target! and as the object of the exercise is to have a bit of fun, we didn't think making the targets impossible to hit would help make the day enjoyable and would just p1ss lads off no end!

One other minor clarification to the rules: Bipods may only be used when shooting in the Prone position (so if you were thinking of using the bipod to support off your belt while standing or kneeling, hard luck - we've copped that trick and it's not allowed!).;)

clivej

dCorbus wrote: »

One other minor clarification to the rules: Bipods may only be used when shooting in the Prone position (so if you were thinking of using the bipod to support off your belt while standing or kneeling, hard luck - we've copped that trick and it's not allowed!).;)

That's me knackered so. :eek:

patsat

Great work lads and best of luck with it! I've no .22 so wont be taking part in this but would like to make a bit of a suggestion......

Would it be an idea to have people call what target they aiming for before shooting? i.e. If I was to take a standing shot from 50 m at the large target with the 10 and 5 point rings, but pulled the shot and my shot luckily ended up on one of the smaller targets in the 20 point ring?
In the above shot although I would have been off my intended target I could be rewarded for a lucky shot that i did not mean?

If this was to happen some shooters could feel hard done by! So If I was to say I was shooting for the large target(10 and 5 point rings) and hit one of the smaller targets I would not get rewarded for the shot....

Just a suggestion and best of luck, Hopefully someone from boards wins it!

clivej

patsat wrote: »

Great work lads and best of luck with it! I've no .22 so wont be taking part in this but would like to make a bit of a suggestion......

Would it be an idea to have people call what target they aiming for before shooting? i.e. If I was to take a standing shot from 50 m at the large target with the 10 and 5 point rings, but pulled the shot and my shot luckily ended up on one of the smaller targets in the 20 point ring?
In the above shot although I would have been off my intended target I could be rewarded for a lucky shot that i did not mean?

If this was to happen some shooters could feel hard done by! So If I was to say I was shooting for the large target(10 and 5 point rings) and hit one of the smaller targets I would not get rewarded for the shot....

Just a suggestion and best of luck, Hopefully someone from boards wins it!

The idea is to have 5 shots one at each ring (max 5 rounds in the mag at any one time). With 10 people on the firing line at the same time it's not possible to call the shot.
If you make a kucky hit fair play 'cos that's the only way I could win (with lady luck sitting on my shoulder).

dCorbus

patsat wrote: »

Great work lads and best of luck with it

Thanks patsat. Much appreciated!:)

patsat wrote: »

Would it be an idea to have people call what target they aiming for before shooting? i.e. If I was to take a standing shot from 50 m at the large target with the 10 and 5 point rings, but pulled the shot and my shot luckily ended up on one of the smaller targets in the 20 point ring?
In the above shot although I would have been off my intended target I could be rewarded for a lucky shot that i did not mean?

That's a good idea and we may very well work your suggestion into the format for the next time around.

As clivej has already mentioned above, it would be very difficult with up to 16 shooters on the firing-line at one time to work out a "calling your shots" system that would function (without everyone shouting and/or using 8 - 16 RO's!), but it's an interesting idea, and I'll put on my thinking cap to see if we can incorporate it in someway in the future.

TBH I've re-designed the standing and kneeling targets now to cover this possibility and it's now one target for all 5 shots. The Standing element has been removed from the "know-your-limits" section and will now be shot simply as 5 shots-to-score.

FYI I'll post up an example of the standing target shortly, so you can all see what I'm talking about.

patsat wrote: »

If this was to happen some shooters could feel hard done by! So If I was to say I was shooting for the large target(10 and 5 point rings) and hit one of the smaller targets I would not get rewarded for the shot....

TBH No doubt, someone is going to feel hard done by anyway!:rolleyes::D
But seeing as we'll all be using the same targets, same marking system, have the same time to shoot, and the rifles are all limited to .22lr, it's about as level a playing-field as we can get it.

patsat wrote: »

Hopefully someone from boards wins it

The best shot will win on the day no doubt - but who that may, only time will tell! (And yes, a bit of luck on the day will probably come into it!:))

I wouldn't be at all surprised if it was a boardsie who wins it, but knowing a good number of the lads who have said they'll be shooting in the competition, it'll be some crack and the competition will be mighty fierce. There's bragging rights and kudos up for grabs with this one!:D

fourtycoats

Can you give us some idea of size/scale for this target? Also. will this target type be used at all distances for all positions so that the possible scores for one shot are 0 or 5 or 10?

dCorbus

fourtycoats wrote: »

Can you give us some idea of size/scale for this target?

Hi fourtycoats, do you mean what size is the standing target? or the one i've posted above?

fourtycoats wrote: »

Also. will this target type be used at all distances for all positions

No. There is a different target size for distances. The size increases relative to the distance, but "relatively" the target size is the same, if you know what i mean.

fourtycoats wrote: »

so that the possible scores for one shot are 0 or 5 or 10?

sorry, not sure what you mean here?

Thanks.

dC

fourtycoats

Sorry if my question was not clear:
OK I understand that the targets are scaled for distance then my question becomes what is the diameter of the large target(10 and 5 rings) for the 50 meter target with an assumption that the 25 M target is half this size and the 100M target is twice this size with the 75M target being 1.5 X the 50 M size?
As regards the scores, all the target rings shown have only an inner and outer scoring ring hence there are only 3 possible scores for each shot, inner, outer and miss(plus any doubling for an X etc)

clivej

I would like to give my thanks to Sean Harding, Stakelums Rod and Gun - Thurles, for the donation of a good prize in this competition.

It wasn't me!

clivej wrote: »

I would like to give my thanks to Sean Harding, Stakelums Rod and Gun - Thurles, for the donation of a good prize in this competition.

Ah Jaysus clive, you're just keeping us in suspense for cruelty now!

dCorbus

clivej wrote: »

I would like to give my thanks to Sean Harding, Stakelums Rod and Gun - Thurles, for the donation of a good prize in this competition.

+1 on Sean's generous donation on behalf of Stakelums in Thurles: Much appreciated!:)

dCorbus

fourtycoats wrote: »

Sorry if my question was not clear

No worries:)

fourtycoats wrote: »

what is the diameter of the large target(10 and 5 rings) for the 50 meter target

The largest target roundel (the 5 & 10 points rings) at 50m is 10cm (ca. 4 inches) in diameter.

with an assumption that the 25 M target is half this size and the 100M target is twice this size with the 75M target being 1.5 X the 50 M size?

One should never assume!;):D

TBH the answer is no, the targets for the 75m and 100m are not simply scaled up pro-rata to the increased distances.

Also, the 25m standing/seating/kneeling target is of a totally different design and is a 24cm (just under 9.5inches) diameter single-target roundel with scoring-rings.

As for the 50m Standing target.....

All will be revealed on the day!;)

As I do hope you can all appreciate, it would unfair of me to post all the details and images of the targets up here on Boards. Not all gentlemen and lady shooting-sportspersons planning to turn up on the day will have got a chance to see these and it would be inappropriate of me to give Boards.ie members full-sight of the targets, when not all competitors will be given this pre-competition information. I trust that all will appreciate why I cannot give out much more information regarding the targets as this would be grossly unfair to others. Sorry.

But rest assured, TBH none of the targets will be too difficult - Tricky, yes: but impossible, no! We've tried out a couple of target designs to see which ones are challenging yet not excessively difficult and have test-fired on these with a couple of rifles and shooters (of different skill levels and talents) to see what target sizes will allow lads to enjoy themselves, score reasonably well, and have a good bit of friendly-competition. So, take a chance! Seize the day! And throw caution to the wind! (plus some other rousing platitudinal sloganeering:rolleyes:). It's meant to be a bit of crack and fun - It's not the final's of any European Championships! And failure to win will cause no reduction in ones personal standing in the community.;);):D

fourtycoats wrote: »

As regards the scores, all the target rings shown have only an inner and outer scoring ring hence there are only 3 possible scores for each shot, inner, outer and miss(plus any doubling for an X etc)

Correct - except for the standing/kneeling/sitting targets and the "know-your-limits" targets, which are another ball-game entirely.;):D

Grizzly 45

Sounds good..What time Sat??@ Midlands?:)

sfakiaman

Just recieved a text from MNSCI stating that this shoot is strictly for members of MNSCI only. Registration 10am first detail 11am.

dCorbus

Lads & Ladies,

I'm really sorry about the late notice about this, but there has been a change of plan in relation to this shoot next Saturday.

I have been informed by the Range, unfortunately, that due to circumstances outside of our control, that this inaugural shoot will have to be held as a members-only event.

Due to the complications of organising this initial shoot in the new format and the ranges' own regulations and requirements, it has not now proved possible for us to bring along guests (despite what I had previously announced). I'm really sorry about this. We had hoped to be able to arrange some way for guests to attend, but have been advised that this is unfortunately not now an option for next Saturdays shoot.

It is hoped, however, that any future shoots in this format (assuming all goes well on Saturday) will be open to guests and visitors - and, despite this late change-of-plan, I personally do hope that we'll all be able to shoot (members and guests) at the next event of this type.

For those MNSCI members wishing to shoot next Saturday (19th Feb.), registration will open in the clubhouse at 10am and the first detail will commence at 11am.

I look forward to seeing a good number of shooters there on the day - and again, I apologize for this unfortunate late change-of-plan.

dC:o

dCorbus

The Inaugural 2011

MNSCI Technical .22lr Positional Competition

at

Midlands MNSCI, Blueball, Tullamore




Saturday 19th February 2011

• Registration: 10am
• First Detail: 11am

The MNSCI are holding a new format competition shoot for .22lr rifles on Saturday 19th February.

The idea is to have a fun shoot and some enjoyably friendly-competition! The course-of-fire and targets etc have been designed to test shooters skills at various distances and in various shooting positions using .22lr 'sporter' or varmint type rifles. (Basically, a fun days competition for our plinking and bunny guns!)

The general format of the competition will be targets at 25, 50, 75, and 100m, with various sized targets shot in the prone, kneeling/sitting, and standing positions. So plenty of fun and variety there for all!

Basic rules:

- .22lr rifles only;
- Scopes or iron sights only;
- Both bolt action and semi-auto allowed;
- Any commercially available .22lr ammo allowed;
- No target aperture sights;
- No back bags, sand bags, rests, sticks, or ISSF type slings allowed;
- Bipods of Harris type are allowed or you may shoot off the elbows;
- No front rests (other than Harris type bipods)

There's a couple more bits and bobs, but nothing too scary. Basically, if you use it in the field, you can use it in this shoot. The main rule is: If it ain't fixed to the rifle, you can't use it. Simples!

The shoot is open to all MNSCI Members.

All shooters must be licenced to the rifle they want to use.

The entry charges will be €10 each for MNSCI Members.

The course-of-fire will be:



Round 1:

• 25m 2 Shots Standing (Timed)
• 25m 2 Shots Kneeling/Sitting (Timed)
• 50m 5 Shots Prone (Timed)
• 75m 5 Shots Prone (Timed)
• 100m 5 Shots Prone (Timed)

Round 2:

• 50m 1-5 Shots Standing (Timed)
• 75m 1-5 Shots Prone (Timed)
• 100m 1-5 Shots Prone (Timed)

(The 75m and 100m Stages of Round 2 will be shot as a "know-your-limits" round: Any or all 5 of the target roundels in Round 2 may be shot to score. The shooter may shoot any number of shots to score, up to and including 5 shots on target. However, should the shooter miss any target roundel, the total score for that stage of the round will be zero. The trick is to "know your limits" and to know when to stop!)

Depending on numbers on the day, it is hoped that all shooters will have the opportunity to shoot both Round 1 & Round 2 twice. The scores for all rounds will then be aggregated to give an overall score.



Scoring:

• All shots will be scored using the outward-gauging method.
• Each target roundel will have a centre dot aiming point of approx. 5mm (0.19in) diameter. If this centre dot is obliterated (i.e. a perfect 10x) then the shot on that target will be scored double for that target roundel.
• Your shot must be clearly inside the ring to score.
• If your shot is inside the ring, but clips the circle, you still score.
• If you shot is outside the ring, but clips the circle from the outside, you don't score.

If you've any questions or wish to pre-register, either email the MNSCI on jpcraven@eircom.net or feel free to PM dCorbus here more details.
(For some more information and discussion on this new format competition, have a look at this thread on the main Shooting forum: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056168641)


As this is a brand new format, we expect some crack on the day. And hopefully if enough shooters turn up, we'll have some enjoyable competition and a good days fun on the range.

Look forward to seeing you all there!

dC