New format .22lr shoot planned for MNSCI

dCorbus

I've already posted this over in the Target Shooting section, but just in case some of you lads strenuously avoid looking over there in the squeeky bum section;), have a look at this new format .22lr multi-distance multi-position competition being held down in Midlands on Saturday 19th February.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=70446944&postcount=3

It may be of interest and, dare I say it, it could be even be fun!

(By the way, this is the handywork of a couple of Boardies, namely myself, clivej, and bunnyshooter, so we expect to see a queue out the door at sign-up time!:rolleyes::D)

sfakiaman

Sounds like fun, I'll be there if at all possible, hope the weather improves. Will ordinary slings be allowed?

Congrats to you three for organising this.

dCorbus

Thanks.

Will ordinary slings be allowed?

Yes.

Ordinary two-point shoulder or carrying slings (i.e. the ones we use up and down fields and hills) can used.
ISSF, Target Rifle, Palma, and other fancy pants target slings cannot be used.

fourtycoats

Can you use a two point military sling?

Grizzly 45

Sounds good.Weather and time permitting I'll be there.

Vegeta

What's the deal with moderators on the rifle dC, are they allowed or not?

Fantastic Idea and I hope attendance is great. Will be in Wicklow myself that weekend but it sounds like good old fashioned fun

clivej

Guests of Members are allowed as long as they have their license and proper shooting insurance. I don't know of any limit of guests to members.

The targets and stages of fire are "User Friendly" but with the 'will I won't I' take the shot and loose the card score. It's ment to be a fun day out much like the fox shooting competitions a couple of years back.


Any 22lr can take part but it's limited to no fancy target shooting gear.

See you there.

clivej

The Inaugural 2011

MNSCI Technical .22lr Positional Competition

at

Midlands MNSCI, Blueball, Tullamore

Saturday 19th February 2011


The MNSCI are holding a new format competition shoot for .22lr rifles on Saturday 19th February.

The idea is to have a fun shoot and some enjoyably friendly-competition! The course-of-fire and targets etc have been designed to test shooters skills at various distances and in various shooting positions using .22lr 'sporter' or varmint type rifles. (Basically, a fun days competition for our plinking and bunny guns!)

The general format of the competition will be targets at 25, 50, 75, and 100m, with various sized targets shot in the prone, kneeling/sitting, and standing positions. So plenty of fun and variety there for all!

Basic rules:

- .22lr rifles only;
- Scopes or iron sights only;
- Both bolt action and semi-auto allowed;
- Any commercially available .22lr ammo allowed;
- No target aperture sights;
- No back bags, sand bags, rests, sticks, or ISSF type slings allowed;
- Bipods of Harris type are allowed or you may shoot off the elbows;
- No front rests (other than Harris type bipods)

There's a couple more bits and bobs, but nothing too scary. Basically, if you use it in the field, you can use it in this shoot. The main rule is: If it ain't fixed to the rifle, you can't use it. Simples!

MNSCI members will be informed directly about this shortly.

The shoot will open be for MNSCI Members and their Guests.

All shooters must be licenced to the rifle they want to use and all guests must provide proof of insurance when signing in. MNSCI Members may bring guests, but all guests must be vouched for at sign-in on the day.

The entry charges will be €10 each for MNSCI Members and €15 each for Members' Guests.


The course-of-fire will be:


Round 1:

• 25m 2 Shots Standing (Timed)
• 25m 2 Shots Kneeling/Sitting (Timed)
• 50m 5 Shots Prone (Timed)
• 75m 5 Shots Prone (Timed)
• 100m 5 Shots Prone (Timed)

Round 2:

• 50m 1-5 Shots Standing (Timed)
• 75m 1-5 Shots Prone (Timed)
• 100m 1-5 Shots Prone (Timed)

(Round 2 will be shot as a "know-your-limits" round: Any or all 5 of the target roundels in Round 2 may be shot to score. The shooter may shoot any number of shots to score, up to and including 5 shots on target. However, should the shooter miss any target roundel, the total score for that stage of the round will be zero. The trick is to "know your limits" and to know when to stop!)

bunny shooter

dCorbus wrote: »

.............(By the way, this is the handywork of a couple of Boardies, namely myself, clivej, and bunnyshooter, so we expect to see a queue out the door at sign-up time!:rolleyes::D)

sfakiaman wrote: »

...............Congrats to you three for organising this.

For the record, I have been involved in the planning stages but afaik dCorbus has put in most of the work on this.

I hope to make the actual shoot but am not sure yet that I can

dCorbus

Thanks Lads,

Just to briefly answer a couple of questions which have been asked:

Can you use a two point military sling?

If you mean a two-point military or tactical sling, the answer is No. If the sling is able to be attached at a single point to the shooter, e.g. at the bicep or elbow or chest (by way of a cuff or other means), then this is not allowed.

As I posted earlier: Ordinary two-point shoulder or carrying slings (i.e. the ones we use up and down fields and hills) can used. ISSF, Target Rifle, Palma, and other fancy pants target slings cannot be used.

If you are unclear as to what is or is not permitted to be used, PM me with a photo and we can make a decision. Thanks.

What's the deal with moderators on the rifle dC, are they allowed or not?

Sorry, forgot to mention that: Yes, moderators, suppressors, and muzzle brakes are all allowed.


A couple of lads have asked questions by PM, but I'll provide some more of the detailed rules and information here to avoid any confusion:

Who can enter:

• The competition is open to all members of MNSCI and their Guests, who hold a valid and current FAC for their .22LR rifle.
• There is no limit (within reason) of how many guests a member may invite to the competition. However, as the member must sign-in and vouch for their guests, it would be unwise and irresponsible for any member to sign-in a shooter who they do not know and or cannot vouch for. The member will be held responsible by the Range for the behaviour of the guest on the day - so please be sensible about this. Thanks.
• All competitors must be in possession of a valid and current Firearms Certificate for the rifle they wish to use.
• All Members Guests must present their FAC (for the relevant rifle) and Proof of Insurance at Registration. If you do not have both insurance and an FAC for the rifle you intend using, please do not just turn up on the off-chance this will be overlooked: it won't - you will not be allowed use the range nor shoot in the competition.
• All Guests must be vouched for and signed-in by a MNSCI member, who will vouch for that guest during the shoot and whilst their guest is on the range, and that member will be responsible for the guests behaviour whilst on the range (all in accordance with the MNSCI range rules).

Types of Rifle and Calibres Allowed:

• The competition is for 22LR Calibre Only
• No other calibres may be used. All rifles proposed to be used must be registered with the organisers at Registration on the day of the competition. (For the purposes of clarity and to avoid any potential disappointment: .22WMR, .17, .223, .220, etc. may NOT be used).
• Both .22lr Bolt Action and .22lr Semi Automatic Rifles may be used. All rifles will compete in the one class.
• In the interests of fairness, any competitor found shooting with a rifle of a calibre other than 22LR will be immediately disqualified and removed from the Firing Line.

Equipment & Gear Allowed:

ONLY the following items of equipment CAN be used (Any combination of this equipment list may be used):

• Bipod (Must be of standard detachable type, Harris-type or Similar),
• Scope (Any magnification scope may be used at the discretion of the competitor),
• Ironsights,
• Moderators/Suppressors,
• Muzzle Brakes,
• Shooting Mat,
• Standard 2-point Shoulder-sling,
• Knee-pads (In the Kneeling Position, these may be used for the comfort and safety of competitors)

For the purposes of clarity and to avoid any confusion, the following items of equipment (amongst others) CANNOT be used:

• No Kneeling Rolls
• No Front Shooting Rests of any kind (other than standard attachable bipods of Harris or similar type – Benchrest or F-Open type bipods/frontrests are not permitted)
• No Red-dot Scopes
• No “Laser” Scopes / Rangefinders
• No Target aperture-sights
• No rests, backbags, sandbags, backrests, sticks, slings (other than standard 2-point shoulder slings), shooting jackets, boots, or trousers (issf-type or other supporting clothing), or ANY other external support aids, other than those permitted above.

If you are unsure as to whether your equipment will comply with the competition rules, it is your responsibility to check with the organisers at registration and adjudication will be made prior to the commencement of competition shooting. The use of equipment other than that specified as permitted and registered with the organisers will result in immediate disqualification and the competitor may be asked to leave the firing line.


I hope that will answer a lot of the questions lads have.

We're trying to keep this as simple as possible. And therefore we are keeping the equipment and rifle options as simple as possible.

Thanks

dC

bunny shooter

Can't make this one...................gutted :mad:

Best of luck hope it goes well.

I'll make next one

MACT1RE

It seems like this is a competition designed to get the rabbit men in from the fields for some fun at the range and it’s a good idea but what’s the reasoning behind limiting it to just .22lr instead of all Rimfire rifles? An awful lot of lads have moved from the .22lr to the .22wmr and .17hmr for small animal hunting. In terms of using hunting rifles for target work, there is very little difference among the rimfire rounds. You seem to be excluding a lot of potential interest for very little reason.

bunny shooter

MACT1RE wrote: »

........An awful lot of lads have moved from the .22lr to the .22wmr and .17hmr for small animal hunting..

More fool them :P All you need for bunny shooting is a .22lr if you're good enough :P And for the record 90% + of the lads I know who shoot bunnies use .22lr

The "fox" competitions ended up the same way and this is why I personally pulled out of them :rolleyes:

So why don't you/they organise a competition for your/their calibre/s?

MACT1RE

bunny shooter wrote: »

More fool them :P All you need for bunny shooting is a .22lr if you're good enough :P And for the record 90% + of the lads I know who shoot bunnies use .22lr

The "fox" competitions ended up the same way and this is why I personally pulled out of them :rolleyes:

So why don't you/they organise a competition for your/their calibre/s?

That doesn’t answer the question, if your going to the effort of organising a small game hunting rifle style competition, based around field situations, why exclude the other rimfire rounds? It’s just a question. If you’ve decided to exclude them, you must have thought about it and have a reason.
For the record, I have a .22lr myself.
Best of luck with the comp.

bunny shooter

Simple answer to your question ................ the three of us have a .22lr and the ammo is cheap

Now you answer mine...................

So why don't you/they organise a competition for your/their calibre/s? Oh ya! you have a .22lr............so why are you worried about other calibres?

MACT1RE

bunny shooter wrote: »

Simple answer to your question ................ the three of us have a .22lr and the ammo is cheap

Now you answer mine...................

So why don't you/they organise a competition for your/their calibre/s? Oh ya! you have a .22lr............so why are you worried about other calibres?

You know what bunny, forget I asked, cause if you can’t even see the reason for the question then the answer is irrelevant.

Fair play to the three of ye for organising the comp, I hope it goes well for ye.

clivej

MACT1RE wrote: »

It seems like this is a competition designed to get the rabbit men in from the fields for some fun at the range and it’s a good idea but what’s the reasoning behind limiting it to just .22lr instead of all Rimfire rifles? An awful lot of lads have moved from the .22lr to the .22wmr and .17hmr for small animal hunting. In terms of using hunting rifles for target work, there is very little difference among the rimfire rounds. You seem to be excluding a lot of potential interest for very little reason.

I actually can't give you an answer to that question.
It started out as trying to get a comp. together for the low powered rifles and as we only has 22lr's then that what the comp. was designed around.
I think because the drop of a .17 between 25 and 100 was so little, 'cos it's flat shooting, the degree of skill was not the same as the 22lr shooters where the drop is like a brick.

bunny shooter

clivej wrote: »

...............I think because the drop of a .17 between 25 and 100 was so little, 'cos it's flat shooting, the degree of skill was not the same as the 22lr shooters where the drop is like a brick.

That too :P

MACT1RE wrote: »

You know what bunny, forget I asked,.......

OK so

MACT1RE

clivej wrote: »

I actually can't give you an answer to that question.
It started out as trying to get a comp. together for the low powered rifles and as we only has 22lr's then that what the comp. was designed around.
I think because the drop of a .17 between 25 and 100 was so little, 'cos it's flat shooting, the degree of skill was not the same as the 22lr shooters where the drop is like a brick.

I see where you’re coming from Clive. If part of the comp is to quickly change between different distances or even estimate distance then a .17hmr would have an advantage over a 22lr. But in terms of pure accuracy at a known distance I’d say a good 22lr with subs should have the edge, especially over a 22wmr. I just think you might get more interest and attendance if it was open to all Rimfire rounds as they are a nicely balanced category and most lads would have some type of Rimfire.
What type of target are ye using?

MACT1RE

bunny shooter wrote: »

That too :P



OK so

Good man Bunny, got the edit in before I could respond.

MACT1RE

I'm all for this type of competition by the way and my questions are on the level in case it came across otherwise. I think this sort of comp is a great way to give lads, who might not normally enter any formal comp, a taste of what it’s like.
Unfortunately I won't make it myself as I'm in the middle of changing my bolt action for a semi.

bunny shooter

MACT1RE wrote: »

Good man Bunny, got the edit in before I could respond.

Gotta be fast to catch this bunny

clivej

MACT1RE wrote: »

I see where you’re coming from Clive. If part of the comp is to quickly change between different distances or even estimate distance then a .17hmr would have an advantage over a 22lr. But in terms of pure accuracy at a known distance I’d say a good 22lr with subs should have the edge, especially over a 22wmr. I just think you might get more interest and attendance if it was open to all Rimfire rounds as they are a nicely balanced category and most lads would have some type of Rimfire.
What type of target are ye using?

MACT1RE wrote: »

I'm all for this type of competition by the way and my questions are on the level in case it came across otherwise. I think this sort of comp is a great way to give lads, who might not normally enter any formal comp, a taste of what it’s like.
Unfortunately I won't make it myself as I'm in the middle of changing my bolt action for a semi.

Targets will be put up soon. But it's gona be fun/skill.
If it all goes well another will be run off in the summer.

Pity your changing but it should only take a week to get a sub. license so we may see you there yet

dCorbus

It seems like this is a competition designed to get the rabbit men in from the fields for some fun at the range and it’s a good idea but what’s the reasoning behind limiting it to just .22lr instead of all Rimfire rifles? An awful lot of lads have moved from the .22lr to the .22wmr and .17hmr for small animal hunting. In terms of using hunting rifles for target work, there is very little difference among the rimfire rounds. You seem to be excluding a lot of potential interest for very little reason.

+1 on the explanations given above by bunnyshooter and clivej.

A couple of points which I'd like to clarify myself:

It seems like this is a competition designed to get the rabbit men in from the fields for some fun at the range

It's a competition designed to try to get as many shooters as possible onto a level playing field and have some fun whilst shooting a varied and challenging (but not too difficult) variety of targets.

It hasn't been specifically designed for the rabbit men! They of course were firmly in the forefront of our minds when working this out, but we also had to take into consideration the plinkers, informal target shooters, target shooters, etc etc. Basically, try and create a new format (from relative scratch, albeit "borrowing" ideas from all over the place) which the maximum number of shooters could take part in on a level playing field.

For this reason, it has been designed for .22lr as this is the most common, cheapest, and least specialised calibre for short to medium ranges. It is also why we are discouraging the use of target rifles and would prefer "sporters" and "varmints" - by all means use a .22lr target rifle, but good luck to you holding that up with no fancy-pants target equipment. I could stick a scope on and use my Anschutz target rifle - but I'm not going to because that is not the spirit of what we're trying to do, nor do I want to put my back out trying to use it kneeling or standing!

So come one, come all - It's a level playing field - and it's a .22lr playing field.

The main reason Why? Coz we decided it would be!:p:D

what’s the reasoning behind limiting it to just .22lr instead of all Rimfire rifles?

For example, should we also should run a competition for all centrefire rifles?

How about my .308 versus bunnyshooters .303 versus joe blogg's .22 Hornet versus someone elses 6mmBR versus etc. etc. etc.......Now you see why we have to level the pitch?

All rifles calibres have their own characteristics and since we are trying to keep this simple, we are not differentiating rifles into different classes or calibres or weights or whatever. To allow lads to use different calibres would not be a level playing field and therefore was decided to limit it to .22lr (the most common calibre TBH) right at the beginning.

An awful lot of lads have moved from the .22lr to the .22wmr and .17hmr for small animal hunting.

Yes, but an awful lot more lads still have .22lr's.
We can't please everyone all of the time - but we're not really trying to do that either.

And this format has been worked out with the interests of many shooters in mind, not just the lads hunting small animals, but to appeal to the wider church of shooters.:)

What type of target are ye using?

A specially designed one: honed, tried and tested in the field by specialists!:rolleyes::rolleyes::D

I'll post up a sample one for all to see shortly.

I'm all for this type of competition by the way and my questions are on the level in case it came across otherwise.

Fair enough, Thanks.

I think this sort of comp is a great way to give lads, who might not normally enter any formal comp, a taste of what it’s like.

Exactly!:)

And level off that playing field too!;)


Thanks,

dC

clivej

I tried shooting standing free hand @50m today. Just to say I won't be putting in much of a challenge to anyone.

To say I shot minute of barn door would be kind :o

It wasn't me!

Having had a word with dC earlier, I may actually be making this. Will be good to put a few more faces to names. Shall have to practise with the sporting rifle now...

Bananaman

I assume a Buckmark would be fine for this?

B'Man

clivej

Bananaman wrote: »

I assume a Buckmark would be fine for this?

B'Man

If it's 22lr then come on down:)

Mr.Flibble

clivej wrote: »

If it's 22lr then come on down:)

I don't think they come in anything else.


What do you have against pump and, more particularly, lever action rifles?

clivej

Mr.Flibble wrote: »

I don't think they come in anything else.


What do you have against pump and, more particularly, lever action rifles?

I can't see a problem with either if they are 22lr. Will talk with DC in the morning about them. I'd like to see a pump there shooting.

bunny shooter

clivej wrote: »

I can't see a problem with either if they are 22lr.......

+1