FF Michael Martin Heckled in Galway

dolphin city

Anybody see it on the news last night. He was heckled at the Spanish Arch yesterday. He looked really surprised that somebody should do such a thing. Seems like they are still living in cloud cukoo land - you can change the face, but not the mentality

More of this sort of thing please.

Sempai

Not as good as the ould bird giving Enda Kenny the fingers during his campaign. priceless!

_Whimsical_

I have to say fair play to the guy who spoke up,he wasn't abusive he just put his case across with the kind of emotion it deserved.

I heard a journalist on the radio who was with M. Martin yesterday and he said that the journalists were really amazed that he got such a "warm reception" in Galway. He said only that 1 person had any voice of dissent and that everyone else Martin offered handshakes to gave big smiles and "oh yes,I'll vote for you"s!

Obviously reduced pay, people losing their houses and having to leave to find work and rubbish infrastructure doesn't hurt so much in Galway. That or we're more camera shy than most.:)

First of all I have no political affiliation but what the hell is wrong with our people that FF got a bit of hassle from just one person on their time in Galway. Fair enough if people want to just ignore them and give their verdict on election day but to be subjected to these people brazenly walking through the streets of Galway shaking hands and laughing with whatever half wits were around who'd vote for them no matter what.

Anyone who gave FF a warm reception yesterday deserves every bit of financial misery that can be heaped upon them. We're on our knees yet some people want us to be kicked into the gutter as well. Fair enough some people might have respect for someone like Eamonn O'Cuiv who will get things done for his Connemara constituents but for people to shake hands and openly welcome a snake like Micheal Martin and the good for nothing hangers on following him around, the phrase 'you reap what you sow' comes to mind.

Fair play to the man who tackled him, what he was saying is a microcosm of what is going throughout this island yet still some people will continue to welcome them with open arms and blame the crisis on the media or Lehman Brothers or whatever other excuse they could lay their hands on.

Meanwhile we have the main perpetrator of our current situation Bertie Ahern brazenly walking around on his extortionate pension stating that his biggest regret was that his pet project didn't come to fruition.

Canvasser

Going out of your way to shout abuse at anyone brave enough to put themselves before the public is disgraceful behaviour and should be brought to the attention of the gardaí as assault.

snubbleste

Canvasser wrote: »

Going out of your way to shout abuse at anyone brave enough to put themselves before the public is disgraceful behaviour and should be brought to the attention of the gardaí as assault.

You don't have to canvass you know.

Leslie91

Canvasser wrote: »

Going out of your way to shout abuse at anyone brave enough to put themselves before the public is disgraceful behaviour and should be brought to the attention of the gardaí as assault.

Huh?. Ur taking the piss I hope. The least those effers should get is verbal abuse for what they and their pals from the Galway tent have done to the country.

Canvasser

Leslie91 wrote: »

Huh?. Ur taking the piss I hope. The least those effers should get is verbal abuse for what they and their pals from the Galway tent have done to the country.

it must be great to have a nice simplistic socilaist view of the world

shouting abuse at anyone is not acceptable in a civil society like ours loveen

CoalBucket

Canvasser wrote: »

Going out of your way to shout abuse at anyone brave enough to put themselves before the public is disgraceful behaviour and should be brought to the attention of the gardaí as assault.

Destroying the future of a country by reckless economic policies and bailing out corrupt banks should be brought to the attention of gardai.

Leslie91

Canvasser wrote: »

it must be great to have a nice simplistic socilaist view of the world

shouting abuse at anyone is not acceptable in a civil society like ours loveen

Note I said 'verbal abuse' not shouted abuse. I agree, 'shouting' is out of order but the people responsible for the misery Irish people are trying to live with right now are 100% fair game when it comes to being abused on the hustings.

Where does socialism come into it?. It's alright for the mega rich to get richer and the blind/old/young and sick to suffer as a result. That ain't no civil society pal.

Canvasser

CoalBucket wrote: »

Destroying the future of a country by reckless economic policies and bailing out corrupt banks should be brought to the attention of gardai.

I think we should try to extradite some of that Lehmans Brothers crowd to face the music along with some of the anglo-irish boys. bloody bankers :mad:

reckless economic policies??!! take a look at what the blueshirts and red commies were proposing in their 2007 election manifestos! they wanted to slash taxes and increase spending by way more than the current government. and there was no choice other than to bail out the banks - but of course you probably wanted all the atm's failing in the morning....

Canvasser

Leslie91 wrote: »

Note I said 'verbal abuse' not shouted abuse. I agree, 'shouting' is out of order but the people responsible for the misery Irish people are trying to live with right now are 100% fair game when it comes to being abused on the hustings.

Where does socialism come into it?. It's alright for the mega rich to get richer and the blind/old/young and sick to suffer as a result. That ain't no civil society pal.

misery? look at egypt if ya want real misery. god irish people love complaining.

snubbleste

I'm beginning to understand why you are not getting a good reception on the doorsteps.

skelliser

Canvasser wrote: »

I think we should try to extradite some of that Lehmans Brothers crowd to face the music along with some of the anglo-irish boys. bloody bankers :mad:

reckless economic policies??!! take a look at what the blueshirts and red commies were proposing in their 2007 election manifestos! they wanted to slash taxes and increase spending by way more than the current government. and there was no choice other than to bail out the banks - but of course you probably wanted all the atm's failing in the morning....

Lehmans brothers! blueshirts! red commies!!
lol!!

Have you any ability to think for yourself or do you believe everything your Fianna Fail masters tell you!!
The facts are we don't live in an alternative universe, FG and LAB didnt get into power in 2007 so this line about "look what they would have done!" is complete
BS. FF were returned and made a complete **** of the place.
Their banking policy alone has made sure this country is ruined for at least 10 years.

The facts are Martin is 100% complicit in the state of the country. He voted with the gov. on every single decision they made. He has been in cabinet for 14 years, what has he achieved?
absolutely **** all!! all he has learned is to duck and dive responsibility and talk endless waffle.
Martin is just another Bertie, all style, zero substance and zero credibility.

Fogra

Canvasser wrote: »

misery? look at egypt if ya want real misery. god irish people love complaining.

Thankfully people with your sort of attitude are in a very small minority in this country.

Leslie91

Canvasser wrote: »

misery? look at egypt if ya want real misery. god irish people love complaining.

If only the Irish had as much balls as the ordinary egyptian we'd have had this Govt out months ago.

Anyhows to use your phrase earlier.

Egypt = not a civil society, autocracy in power
Ireland = supposedly a civil society, incompetent/self serving arseholes in power.

skelliser

Canvasser wrote: »

misery? look at egypt if ya want real misery. god irish people love complaining.

Good to see the Fianna Fail condescending attitude to Irish people is alive and well!

CoalBucket

Canvasser wrote: »

I think we should try to extradite some of that Lehmans Brothers crowd to face the music along with some of the anglo-irish boys. bloody bankers :mad:

reckless economic policies??!! take a look at what the blueshirts and red commies were proposing in their 2007 election manifestos! they wanted to slash taxes and increase spending by way more than the current government. and there was no choice other than to bail out the banks - but of course you probably wanted all the atm's failing in the morning....

The global economic downturn obviously has an effect on a small island nation. Magnifying it by creating a property bubble and reckless spending in order to buy elections in 2002 and 2007 was FFs responsibility.

What other parties were suggesting in their manifestos is moot. Is FFs defence of their policies is "they would've done it too" ? It's pathetic.

Guaranteeing deposits was essential for the citizens of this fine nation. Guaranteeing gambles by bondholders, there is no reason whatsoever that the Irish taxpayer should pay for the risk of investors.

By the way your desciption of FG and Labour as "blueshirts and red commies", is this an example of the respect of political parties that you espose in your posts above ?

brianthebard

Canvasser wrote: »

I think we should try to extradite some of that Lehmans Brothers crowd to face the music along with some of the anglo-irish boys. bloody bankers :mad:

reckless economic policies??!! take a look at what the blueshirts and red commies were proposing in their 2007 election manifestos! they wanted to slash taxes and increase spending by way more than the current government. and there was no choice other than to bail out the banks - but of course you probably wanted all the atm's failing in the morning....

Didn't take you long to show your true colours.

mrrepublic

skelliser wrote: »

Good to see the Fianna Fail condescending attitude to Irish people is alive and well!

FF are thenly Party with the ability to sort out the problems which are a result of an international recession.
just look at the front bench the current opposition have to offer.

apoeiguq3094y

Borders no.2 wrote: »

First of all I have no political affiliation but what the hell is wrong with our people that FF got a bit of hassle from just one person on their time in Galway. Fair enough if people want to just ignore them and give their verdict on election day but to be subjected to these people brazenly walking through the streets of Galway shaking hands and laughing with whatever half wits were around who'd vote for them no matter what.

Anyone who gave FF a warm reception yesterday deserves every bit of financial misery that can be heaped upon them. We're on our knees yet some people want us to be kicked into the gutter as well. Fair enough some people might have respect for someone like Eamonn O'Cuiv who will get things done for his Connemara constituents but for people to shake hands and openly welcome a snake like Micheal Martin and the good for nothing hangers on following him around, the phrase 'you reap what you sow' comes to mind.

Fair play to the man who tackled him, what he was saying is a microcosm of what is going throughout this island yet still some people will continue to welcome them with open arms and blame the crisis on the media or Lehman Brothers or whatever other excuse they could lay their hands on.

Meanwhile we have the main perpetrator of our current situation Bertie Ahern brazenly walking around on his extortionate pension stating that his biggest regret was that his pet project didn't come to fruition.

I'm getting really sick of people blaming FF for everything and openly attacking people who chose to support them. FF are the only party that have made tough decisions. FG & Labour couldn't decide what to have for lunch. During the "give-away budgets" FG and Labour were calling for even more spending, and I don't recall any private members bill on the financial regulator on Labour's or FG's dail business.

The entire country (politicians of all colours and everyone else) chose to believe that dream would never end. People bought houses and cars they couldn't afford. Its not the governments job to wrap you in cotton wool.

I'm proud to support FF.. a party that has been in power for more than half the time it has been in existence, a party that freed us from our oath to the queen, a party that has brought free education, social support for those who need it, and a modern road infrastructure that we can be proud of.

You talk of Bertie Ahern as as perpetrator. History will remember that Ahern brought us something that seemed forever out of reach - peace in Northern Ireland. 15 years ago, if you told someone that Ian Paisley and Gerry Adams would share power in a democratic government you would have been laughed off the face of the planet. Eaten bread is soon forgotten. Remember that the next time you take the motorway to dublin.

At least Micheál Martin is out on the streets and in the media, facing the people and standing behind his decisions. Where is Enda Kenny? He won't have a debate and he wouldn't even talk to the media at his own press conference yesterday. His OWN press conference. If FF have been a bad government then FG have been a disgraceful opposition.

FF still have the support of a large amount of the population, people who choose to see Micheál Martin as the only credible option as a leader. So have some respect for others.

( and for the record I'm not some developer or anything. I'm a graduate student who has made his way through the FREE Irish education system with support from grants and state funded scholarships)

Sponge Bob

Canvasser wrote: »

it must be great to have a nice simplistic socilaist view of the world

Now Brian Walsh has signed up with Boards it was only a matter of time before Ollie Crowe did so as well. Musha Howya Ollie, howz it goin horse !!! :cool:

brianthebard

apoeiguq3094y wrote: »

( and for the record I'm not some developer or anything. I'm a graduate student who has made his way through the FREE Irish education system with support from grants and state funded scholarships)

That was put in place by a Labour - Fine Gael coalition.

mikom

Quite a trollercoaster of thread we've got here.

Leslie91

apoeiguq3094y wrote: »

I'm getting really sick of people blaming FF for everything and openly attacking people who chose to support them. FF are the only party that have made tough decisions. FG & Labour couldn't decide what to have for lunch. During the "give-away budgets" FG and Labour were calling for even more spending, and I don't recall any private members bill on the financial regulator on Labour's or FG's dail business.

The entire country (politicians of all colours and everyone else) chose to believe that dream would never end. People bought houses and cars they couldn't afford. Its not the governments job to wrap you in cotton wool.

I'm proud to support FF.. a party that has been in power for more than half the time it has been in existence, a party that freed us from our oath to the queen, a party that has brought free education, social support for those who need it, and a modern road infrastructure that we can be proud of.

You talk of Bertie Ahern as as perpetrator. History will remember that Ahern brought us something that seemed forever out of reach - peace in Northern Ireland. 15 years ago, if you told someone that Ian Paisley and Gerry Adams would share power in a democratic government you would have been laughed off the face of the planet. Eaten bread is soon forgotten. Remember that the next time you take the motorway to dublin.

At least Micheál Martin is out on the streets and in the media, facing the people and standing behind his decisions. Where is Enda Kenny? He won't have a debate and he wouldn't even talk to the media at his own press conference yesterday. His OWN press conference. If FF have been a bad government then FG have been a disgraceful opposition.

FF still have the support of a large amount of the population, people who choose to see Micheál Martin as the only credible option as a leader. So have some respect for others.

( and for the record I'm not some developer or anything. I'm a graduate student who has made his way through the FREE Irish education system with support from grants and state funded scholarships)

Take the 'r' out of that word. The dog on the streets know the Northern Bank robbery was the pay off. Jaysus. Yes great to have peace but to cover up the fact that it was paid for makes me wanna puke. Ahern is nothing but a cowboy cancer, who learned from the Master, Charlie.

apoeiguq3094y

Seen as this is the Galway forum - to bring things back in that direction - Frank Fahey gave people an opportunity to voice their opinion and anger.

Now I'm not Franks biggest fan, he's not a true representation of the core FF ideals, but at least he stood and faced the music. Where are the other parties? are they standing behind all their decisions? no.. they are hiding under the radar, hoping that the national anger will carry them past the election before anyone realises they don't know the first thing about running a country or forming realistic economic policies.

flutered

sponge bob please tell us more about them new boardsies, i always view new members with entrenched views as spoofers and phishers, until proven otherwise.

brianthebard

Leslie91 wrote: »

Take the 'r' out of that word. The dog on the streets know the Northern Bank robbery was the pay off. Jaysus. Yes great to have peace but to cover up the fact that it was paid for makes me wanna puke. Ahern is nothing but a cowboy cancer, who learned from the Master, Charlie.

lol this is not the conspiracy theory forum.

almighty1

apoeiguq3094y wrote: »

I'm getting really sick of people blaming FF for everything and openly attacking people who chose to support them. FF are the only party that have made tough decisions. FG & Labour couldn't decide what to have for lunch. During the "give-away budgets" FG and Labour were calling for even more spending, and I don't recall any private members bill on the financial regulator on Labour's or FG's dail business.

The entire country (politicians of all colours and everyone else) chose to believe that dream would never end. People bought houses and cars they couldn't afford. Its not the governments job to wrap you in cotton wool.

I'm proud to support FF.. a party that has been in power for more than half the time it has been in existence, a party that freed us from our oath to the queen, a party that has brought free education, social support for those who need it, and a modern road infrastructure that we can be proud of.

You talk of Bertie Ahern as as perpetrator. History will remember that Ahern brought us something that seemed forever out of reach - peace in Northern Ireland. 15 years ago, if you told someone that Ian Paisley and Gerry Adams would share power in a democratic government you would have been laughed off the face of the planet. Eaten bread is soon forgotten. Remember that the next time you take the motorway to dublin.

At least Micheál Martin is out on the streets and in the media, facing the people and standing behind his decisions. Where is Enda Kenny? He won't have a debate and he wouldn't even talk to the media at his own press conference yesterday. His OWN press conference. If FF have been a bad government then FG have been a disgraceful opposition.

FF still have the support of a large amount of the population, people who choose to see Micheál Martin as the only credible option as a leader. So have some respect for others.

( and for the record I'm not some developer or anything. I'm a graduate student who has made his way through the FREE Irish education system with support from grants and state funded scholarships)

Excellent post, I couldnt agree more with the above. I'd cant wait to see here in 18-24 months time when people will be crying out for a change of government

biko

Canvasser banned a day

galwayrush

mrrepublic wrote: »

FF are thenly Party with the ability to sort out the problems which are a result of an international recession.
just look at the front bench the current opposition have to offer.

My youngest ( 11) would do a better job than FF could do, judging by their pathetic record. FF did get a chance to try and deal with the problems they created by getting into power last election, what did they do? THEY SOMEHOW MANAGED TO MAKE THINGS WORSE.

apoeiguq3094y

Leslie91 wrote: »

Take the 'r' out of that word. The dog on the streets know the Northern Bank robbery was the pay off. Jaysus. Yes great to have peace but to cover up the fact that it was paid for makes me wanna puke. Ahern is nothing but a cowboy cancer, who learned from the Master, Charlie.

Well I don't spend my time talking to the dogs on the street. The PSNI investigated the Northern bank robbery. Last time I checked, we didn't have control over that organisation.

If you want to know the really sickening cost of the peace process, its not any bank robbery. It's the release of criminals who used nationalism as an excuse to murder innocent people.

This country is so concerned with money, and the endless pursuit of financial wealth, that we ignore the truly important issues. The people who fought and died for this country would be sickened to see where our greed has brought us.

mrrepublic

galwayrush wrote: »

My youngest ( 11) would do a better job than FF could do, judging by their pathetic record. FF did get a chance to try and deal with the problems they created by getting into power last election, what did they do? THEY SOMEHOW MANAGED TO MAKE THINGS WORSE.

Glad to know that your 11 year old has more intelligance than you. By the time he is 18 he should be clever enough to support FF.

cheesemaker

Good to see delusion is alive and well in the West.

Take a bow

skelliser

apoeiguq3094y wrote: »

You talk of Bertie Ahern as as perpetrator. History will remember that Ahern brought us something that seemed forever out of reach - peace in Northern Ireland. 15 years ago, if you told someone that Ian Paisley and Gerry Adams would share power in a democratic government you would have been laughed off the face of the planet. Eaten bread is soon forgotten. Remember that the next time you take the motorway to dublin.

One of the greatest myths ever produced by the FF propaganda machine.

The peace process was largely down to the work of John Hume, a man who worked tirelessly for over 40 years to bring about peace. He was the guy who finally got Adams and trimble to sit down.
Also might i add a man of honour and respect. None of which can be said of Berite, he didnt even have a bank account and do this day cannot get a tax clearance cert!!
So give me a break with your revisionism of history.

And what has the motorway got to do with it ffs!!

I dont know which is worse, the condescending attitude of the brits our the attitude of FF. We got rid of them only to be replaced with a shower of corrupt crony gombeens.

Well down on this evenings troll fest btw!
Im sure ye have won many voters over with your nice and helpful attitudes!

Times must be desperate when Fianna Fail have to resort to agruing on the internet instead of being men and
taking your medicine at the doorstep!

almighty1

galwayrush wrote: »

My youngest ( 11) would do a better job than FF could do, judging by their pathetic record. FF did get a chance to try and deal with the problems they created by getting into power last election, what did they do? THEY SOMEHOW MANAGED TO MAKE THINGS WORSE.

Please elaborate. Id love to know how your 11 year old would cut our deficit % of GDP

emptybladder

biko wrote: »

Canvasser banned a day

Boooooooo! Although how funny would it be if Ollie called to a boardsie's door tonight and they slammed the door in his face "You were told you're banned". :pac:

P.S. Not commenting on modding, I was simply saying 'boo-urns'

galwayrush

mrrepublic wrote: »

Glad to know that your 11 year old has more intelligance than you. By the time he is 18 he should be clever enough to support FF.

:pac::pac::pac:
She is being brought up the same way i was, to think for myself.:cool:
A trait sadly lacking in anyone who blindly follows any political party, esp one who has caused so much damage,

apoeiguq3094y

skelliser wrote: »

One of the greatest myths ever produced by the FF propaganda machine.

The peace process was largely down to the work of John Hume, a man who worked tirelessly for over 40 years to bring about peace. He was the guy who finally got Adams and trimble to sit down.
Also might i add a man of honour and respect. None of which can be said of Berite, he didnt even have a bank account and do this day cannot get a tax clearance cert!!
So give me a break with your revisionism of history.

Have you read any factual reports or books on the peace process. Back when Sinn Fein was still a bad word Martin Mansergh (currently a FF TD, but back then working at the Dept of the Taoiseach) was secretly meeting with the IRA in an effort to bring them in from the cold and get them to talk at a table. He did this despite the fact that numerous specific threats were made against his life. Fianna Fail have worked tirelessly for peace in the North. John Hume deserves huge credit for the work he has done. He is truly a national hero. At the same time some recognition must go to the Irish government that had the vision and the commitment to get the Good Friday agreement passed both in the North and here in the republic, while still keeping the unionists and british happy.

FF bashing has become the national pastime, maybe we can have a county based championship this year for it.

Can we please get back on thread and talk roughly in the area of FF in galway.

mrrepublic

galwayrush wrote: »

:pac::pac::pac:
She is being brought up the same way i was, to think for myself.:cool:
A trait sadly lacking in anyone who blindly follows any political party, esp one who has caused so much damage,

The fact that you claim to have a unique ability to think for yourself, which was handed down by previous generations of your family (I presume from both sides) should not lead you to think that your opinion is always correct. After all Hitler tought for himself and also tought that he was always correct.

apoeiguq3094y

mrrepublic wrote: »

The fact that you claim to have a unique ability to think for yourself, which was handed down by previous generations of your family (I presume from both sides) should not lead you to think that your opinion is always correct. After all Hitler tought for himself and also tought that he was always correct.

Ah now here..... there's no need to go for the Hitler references. Stalin & Hitler had mustaches.. should we go arresting anyone with a tash? what about Tom Selleck??

galwayrush

mrrepublic wrote: »

The fact that you claim to have a unique ability to think for yourself, which was handed down by previous generations of your family (I presume from both sides) should not lead you to think that your opinion is always correct. After all Hitler tought for himself and also tought that he was always correct.

Are you saying FF were correct in the way they destroyed this country for generations to come? Were they right to lied about the IMF coming in for so long? Were they right to bail their friends out with Nama. Is it right that we have to pay for a toxic private company like Anglo Irish? perhaps you think so, but i don't.;)

TerrorFirmer

The biggest joke is how deluded people are as to what will actually happen with change in government. After the cries of "BURN/KILL/HANG/HECKLE THEM ALL" have subdued, what do FG and LAB really have to offer? Once the holes dug..... it needs to be filled, no matter who's in charge of filling it in. The economy isn't going to magically recover overnight. Tough decisions were made to try and tackle the damage done, and tough decisions will have to be made long after FF is gone. I'm not one to support FF and won't be this coming election but I've little faith in FG either and someone people genuinely seem to believe that everything will, somehow, be grand once FF are gone.

Enda Kenny....jesus, FG need him replaced almost more than FF did Cowen. One of the reasons many people still support FF is the very fact that FG are such a poor opposition, thanks in no small part to Kenny lacklustre leadership. He does not inspire confidence, though to be honest, at the moment, political canvassing mostly seems to revolve around rabble rousing and reitering the failures of FF over the past decade more than anything else. Trying to watch a debate some time ago and it was basically Lenihan talking sense and outling fiscal policies to refloat the economy, while the rest of them played the blame game. It takes the borderline collapse of the national economy for them to gain any credibility, and even at that, it's an uneasy one for most people.

My problem come voting day is not whether to vote for FF, but who the hell to vote for at all.

mrrepublic

galwayrush wrote: »

Are you saying FF were correct in the way they destroyed this country for generations to come? Were they right to lied about the IMF coming in for so long? Were they right to bail their friends out with Nama. Is it right that we have to pay for a toxic private company like Anglo Irish? perhaps you think so, but i don't.;)

anti FF, anti trade unions, anti all proposals to rectify econimic situation, anti establishment. pro false election promises, pro finance bill, pro U.S.C.. pro, pro bank guarantee, pro Alan Dukes Anglo Irish bank. Glad to see how well the opposition can think for themselvs.

galwayrush

mrrepublic wrote: »

anti FF, anti trade unions, anti all proposals to rectify econimic situation, anti establishment. pro false election promises, pro finance bill, pro U.S.C.. pro, pro bank guarantee, pro Alan Dukes Anglo Irish bank. Glad to see how well the opposition can think for themselvs.

I don't have any cult like political leanings.
FF had a chance to steer the economy away from disaster , they were warned about the property bubble and the economy overheating, apparently anyone who tried to tell them to dampen things was suppost to commit suicide. FF ignored the warning signs, they got another chance to try and do the right thing, but they continued on the spiral which led to the IMF having to come in. I am merely anti greed and anti gross stupitidy.

skelliser

Tell me how many corners has Lenihan told us we have turned?
How many times will Frank Fahey tells is that "now is the time to buy!"?
How many nobel prize winners in economics do we need to tell us that FF have/made the wrong decisions?
How many more crooks like Haughy, Burke, Lawlor, Ahern, Callely and so on do we need before we can call a spade a spade?!

biko

mrrepublic, don't post in this thread any more.
This thread is on the verge to be closed. If anyone wants to discuss general party politics you may do so in Politics forum.
Read the OP again, that's what we're discussing here.

Canvasser

Canvasser wrote: »

it must be great to have a nice simplistic socilaist view of the world

shouting abuse at anyone is not acceptable in a civil society like ours loveen

I thought your party were the socialists, at least thats the waffle Bertie came out with to try and boost your party ratings a few years back.

StupidLikeAFox

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

Tough decisions were made to try and tackle the damage done, and tough decisions will have to be made long after FF is gone.

Im just gonna jump in on this one. I'd like to know what tough decisions were actually made.

On the bank bailout, Labour suggested temporarily nationalising the banks, sorting them out and selling them back to the market within 2-4 years. This was a tried and tested way of doing it, as had been done in Sweden in the nineties. It would have been costly at the time compared to what FF were proposing.

Fianna Fails plan was announced as the "cheapest bailout in history", 4bn i think. As it transpired, they ended up pumping money into the banks, which merely prolonged their demise, the end result of which was nationalisation of Anglo and AIB years later, after billions had been wasted already. This was not a tough decision, it was a populist one.

Then, they commissioned the Bord Snip report, which was a menu of cuts which could be taken, a menu of "hard decisions". Following this they pretty much forgot about it, making few hard decisions. Have a read of this as proof http://www.sbpost.ie/newsfeatures/no-saving-grace-51321.html

What FF do is LIE to the public about how things arent as bad as they seem, until eventually they are forced to act. They make necessary decisions when its way too late.

SARAH ANNE

As someone who has not voted for years,in galway, can any one tell me in an honest and direct way why i should vote FF.

I intend to vote this time around, I am an ordinary working person sick listening to people talk on and on about nothing.

Id love to hear Mr. Healy Rae and Mr. Lowry speak and explain himself, kinda find them sorta attractive in a certain light, ya a dark one!

As far as i can see we are bankrupt the damage is done, and the election will boil down to who fixes the local parish pump, gets little Johnny into the civilservice,fixes the potholes etc, although i think there is no more money left in the kitty to buy all these votes.

So Is it FF or Bust? or is there a real alternative out there in GALWAY,or should we give FF the mandate to govern us in the bad times as well as the good.

Canvasser

Canvasser wrote: »

I think we should try to extradite some of that Lehmans Brothers crowd to face the music along with some of the anglo-irish boys. bloody bankers :mad:

reckless economic policies??!! take a look at what the blueshirts and red commies were proposing in their 2007 election manifestos! they wanted to slash taxes and increase spending by way more than the current government. and there was no choice other than to bail out the banks - but of course you probably wanted all the atm's failing in the morning....

This is what FF supporters are blatently ignoring. It was the decision of the government to appoint Patrick Neary as so called "financial regulator". Like any businesses banks will do what they can to generate more business whether its financially prudent or not, the job of the state appointed Mr. Neary was to keep an eye on developments in the banks to ensure that unsustainable lending wasn't occuring on a grand stage.

There was no other choice than to bail out the banks.:rolleyes: Perhaps thats the case with the major banks but when major consultants such as Merill Lynch are used, paid approx. 4-5 million for a few days work and recommend that a blanket guarantee shouldn't be given, you would expect our Minister for Finance who has no qualifications in that field to heed their advice. However, the FF party ignored that tax payer funded advice and since then its the likes of Anglo and Nationwide banks which aren't of any "systemic importance" to the economy who are dragging us down.