Stopped for no tax

Jesus Shaves

Was stopped for having no tax last week and the guard said there would be a fine to pay in the post office
Are they not supposed to give you some documentation at the time?
he never gave me anything
just wrote some things down in his notepad

MagicSean

No they arent.

MinnyMinor

darokane wrote: »

Was stopped for having no tax last week and the guard said there would be a fine to pay in the post office
Are they not supposed to give you some documentation at the time?
he never gave me anything
just wrote some things down in his notepad

why not have tax like all of us something special about you?

kbell

MinnyMinor wrote: »

why not have tax like all of us something special about you?

Your high horse is taxed is it?:rolleyes:

Op, you'll receive a fixed penalty notice in the post soon enough.

MinnyMinor

kbell wrote: »

Your high horse is taxed is it?:rolleyes:

Op, you'll receive a fixed penalty notice in the post soon enough.

is your or are you special too:rolleyes:

kbell

No high horse here, the op asked a valid question and i offered a valid coherent answer.

MinnyMinor

kbell wrote: »

No high horse here, the op asked a valid question and i offered a valid coherent answer.

none here either i made a valid point

Jesus Shaves

MinnyMinor wrote: »

why not have tax like all of us something special about you?

like all of us?
Something special about you to speak for every motorist in Ireland?
I'm sure even a simpleton can understand that we all have different personal circumstances and in this recessionary times that we live in feeding my kids and clothing them takes preference in my life at the moment
I still need a way to transport them to and from school/nurseries etc.

Now anymore wonderful remarks?

Jesus Shaves

MinnyMinor wrote: »

none here either i made a valid point

Valid? no!
You assumed that everyone has motor tax

Paulw

You're actually fortunate. Depending on how long the vehicle had out of date tax, the Gardai had the power to impound your vehicle.

McCrack

MinnyMinor wrote: »

none here either i made a valid point

You didn't contribute anything.

OP asked a Q and you jumped in criticising his/her actions bordering on trolling which wasn't the point of this thread at all.

Yes the OP should have had tax on a vehicle in a public place, majority of the adult population know that.

Jesus Shaves

Paulw wrote: »

You're actually fortunate. Depending on how long the vehicle had out of date tax, the Gardai had the power to impound your vehicle.

I know he said that, lesson learnt

detective

OP unfortunately the Gardai don't have to provide you with anything. This is unfortunate for both you and the Gardai. It is a major fault with the current FCPS system that motorists, Gardai and Judges hate!

A few years ago a few civil servants and high ranking Gardai decided that there was no need for a chain of evidence and opted out of handing the motorist a fine and also opted out of the only other alternative - providing the motorist with a fine via registered post.

For some it means getting away with penalty points if you're willing to purge yourself by saying you never got the fine via ordinary post but when it comes to tax there is no avoidance.

Jesus Shaves

detective wrote: »

OP unfortunately the Gardai don't have to provide you with anything. This is unfortunate for both you and the Gardai. It is a major fault with the current FCPS system that motorists, Gardai and Judges hate!

A few years ago a few civil servants and high ranking Gardai decided that there was no need for a chain of evidence and opted out of handing the motorist a fine and also opted out of the only other alternative - providing the motorist with a fine via registered post.

For some it means getting away with penalty points if you're willing to purge yourself by saying you never got the fine via ordinary post but when it comes to tax there is no avoidance.

thanks for the informative reply
I have absolutely no problem paying the fine, just thought it was a little strange that i wasnt giving any doumentation at the time

Hooch

detective wrote: »

A few years ago a few civil servants and high ranking Gardai decided that there was no need for a chain of evidence and opted out of handing the motorist a fine and also opted out of the only other alternative - providing the motorist with a fine via registered post.

Watch this space.....it may be changing soon (fingers crossed)

Our man in Havana

nice guy always wrote: »

Watch this space.....it may be changing soon (fingers crossed)

About time it did.

detective

nice guy always wrote: »

Watch this space.....it may be changing soon (fingers crossed)

Delighted to hear it... always felt sorry for the Corps in that anyone can legally get off with the work they do... it's a disgrace of a system.

Please let me know, PM or public post, about the new changes that will come into effect.

Jesus Shaves

detective wrote: »

Delighted to hear it... always felt sorry for the Corps in that anyone can legally get off with the work they do... it's a disgrace of a system.

Please let me know, PM or public post, about the new changes that will come into effect.

interesting, have just thought of a nice legal way to get out of it
cheers

Bosco boy

darokane wrote: »

interesting, have just thought of a nice legal way to get out of it
cheers

I bet no one has ever tried your idea before!!!

Jesus Shaves

Bosco boy wrote: »

I bet no one has ever tried your idea before!!!

I bet you're that sarcastic friend that annoys the hell out of all your "friends"

tommy21

While we're on the subject, do you still have a month in lieu to pay -e.g. if you want to renew for 3 months, and your tax expired this January, do you have until end of February to pay up (but it means it will still only run for the original three months)?

Bosco boy

darokane wrote: »

I bet you're that sarcastic friend that annoys the hell out of all your "friends"

that's me!

Jesus Shaves

Oh what a joy it must be to have you around

Yawns

I don't believe you ever had a month. If your tax expires at the end of January you are supposed to have it renewed asap. Most gardai are nice and will ignore it if it has just been out of tax with say 10 days, most people think they have a grace period because of this. If your tax runs out for a month you can pay in arrears.

If it ends in January and you go along at end of feb and get it tax for the 3 months, you are paying the tax for the month of january alright but if you get stopped near the end of feb without valid tax then you can get in trouble about it.

Bosco boy

darokane wrote: »

Oh what a joy it must be to have you around

Well you see we all have a sense of humour, you should try it some time!

poppy81

you have 10 days grace on car tax so you can be without car tax for 10 days from last day your covered and if caught the guards will tell you to get sorted and show proof at local garda station within a time frame. seemingly if your tax has expired for 3 months or more the guards can seize your car there and then so count yourself lucky and pay your tax!
it is a pain in the ass tho considering we already get rode on the price of cars, petrol, insurance etc givin the state of most of our roads but a necessary evil non-the-less.

Our man in Havana

There is no grace period and never has been.

Yawns

Also it's 2 months not 3 anymore.

234

poppy81 wrote: »

you have 10 days grace on car tax so you can be without car tax for 10 days from last day your covered and if caught the guards will tell you to get sorted and show proof at local garda station within a time frame.

poppy81 wrote: »

you have 10 days grace on car tax so you can be without car tax for 10 days from last day your covered and if caught the guards will tell you to get sorted and show proof at local garda station within a time frame. seemingly if your tax has expired for 3 months or more the guards can seize your car there

Can anybody point to legislation, statutory instruments, regulations, etc. to back this up?

poppy81

apologies i have been mis-informed how embarrassing! guess i will be paying my car tax on time from now on. Damn you hearsay!

MinnyMinor

nice guy always wrote: »

Watch this space.....it may be changing soon (fingers crossed)

good hope all the people leeching off society get fined.

tommy21

234 wrote: »

Can anybody point to legislation, statutory instruments, regulations, etc. to back this up?

Just saw on my own renewal form there "this form may be used to apply for a new tax disc provided that blah blah blah (iv) application is made prior to or during February 2011" - doesn't say whether you are covered legally though without it during Feb.

thebullkf

darokane wrote: »

thanks for the informative reply
I have absolutely no problem paying the fine, just thought it was a little strange that i wasnt giving any doumentation at the time

what are you driving??

surely 3 months tax is cheaper than the fine?

darokane wrote: »

like all of us?
Something special about you to speak for every motorist in Ireland?
I'm sure even a simpleton can understand that we all have different personal circumstances and in this recessionary times that we live in feeding my kids and clothing them takes preference in my life at the moment
I still need a way to transport them to and from school/nurseries etc.

Now anymore wonderful remarks?

if you had priorities right,you'd've taxed your car,worst case scenario the cars taken off you-how're yougonna bring 'em to school/nurseries?

darokane wrote: »

I bet you're that sarcastic friend that annoys the hell out of all your "friends"

darokane wrote: »

Oh what a joy it must be to have you around

only 9 posts and you've endeared yourself i see...

Jesus Shaves

MinnyMinor wrote: »

good hope all the people leeching off society get fined.

you are such a muppet!
holier than thou are we?

Jesus Shaves

thebullkf wrote: »

what are you driving??

surely 3 months tax is cheaper than the fine?





if you had priorities right,you'd've taxed your car,worst case scenario the cars taken off you-how're yougonna bring 'em to school/nurseries?







only 9 posts and you've endeared yourself i see...

ive given as good as i've got in this thread
people trying to act intelligent with "smart" answers
i drive a 2 litre car, tax for year 600+, fine - 60
im clever enough to beat the system
tax for 3 months 140, dont tax for a year maybe get a 60 quid fine

hmmmmmm, i pay a lot of taxes and motor tax in my opinion is not worth paying seeing as the roads are so bad and this government dont deserve my taxes

My priorities are more than right

Bosco boy

Don't worry the rest of us who pay motor tax will carry the burden!

Jesus Shaves

Bosco boy wrote: »

Don't worry the rest of us who pay motor tax will carry the burden!

You dont have to pay any burden you uneducated fool, the roads will still be the same etc. etc.

anyway dont worry about it yourself

Hooch

darokane wrote: »

You dont have to pay any burden you uneducated fool, the roads will still be the same etc. etc.

anyway dont worry about it yourself

Your going to get on so well here on boards.ie

Jesus Shaves

nice guy always wrote: »

Your going to get on so well here on boards.ie

no i reckon i'll be banned for having a more intellectual answer than most people who just troll, well done on the observation though
i applaud you

MagicSean

darokane wrote: »

no i reckon i'll be banned for having a more intellectual answer than most people who just troll, well done on the observation though
i applaud you

I reckon the insults are more likely to bring on a ban, even if they are intellectual ones.

slimjimmc

234 wrote: »

Can anybody point to legislation, statutory instruments, regulations, etc. to back this up?

Can't because it doesn't exist. There is no grace period which allows you drive without motor tax, in fact the law says it's an offence to do so.

tommy21 wrote: »

Just saw on my own renewal form there "this form may be used to apply for a new tax disc provided that blah blah blah (iv) application is made prior to or during February 2011" - doesn't say whether you are covered legally though without it during Feb.

All that means is that you have until the end of the month to pay without incurring arrears. For example, if you pay for 3 months tax in Feb you're charged the normal rate and taxed until 30th April. If you pay in March you'll have to pay for 3months from the 1st March and pay arrears @112% for Feb.
At no stage are you allowed to use the car without tax so if you were stopped sometime in Feb before you renewed you could be liable for the fine.

You can avoid arrears if you did not use the car at any time and make a legal declaration to that effect in the presence of and witnessed by a Garda.

source

darokane wrote: »

ive given as good as i've got in this thread
people trying to act intelligent with "smart" answers
i drive a 2 litre car, tax for year 600+, fine - 60
im clever enough to beat the system
tax for 3 months 140, dont tax for a year maybe get a 60 quid fine

hmmmmmm, i pay a lot of taxes and motor tax in my opinion is not worth paying seeing as the roads are so bad and this government dont deserve my taxes

My priorities are more than right

Don't tax the car, and it's out over 2 months, then you're car will go on a little holiday to an impound lot. Where to get it back you will have to pay the €140 to get it taxed, so you can legally drive on the public roads after you've paid the €125 towing charge, and €35 for each day the car is stored in the impound lot. All this has to be paid to get it released back to you. Then you'll have to pay the €60 fixed charge penalty. So even if you stump up straight away it'll cost you €325 at least. Your plan is not as clever as you may think.

If it goes to court and goes against you then you run the risk of the fine increasing significantly.

Bosco boy

By the way if you go into a Garda station and declare the car was off the road for the period during which you were stopped you run the risk of being prosecuted for making a false declaration, I wouldn't go there if I were you! You bright idea might not be so bright after all!

Jesus Shaves

foinse wrote: »

Don't tax the car, and it's out over 2 months, then you're car will go on a little holiday to an impound lot. Where to get it back you will have to pay the €140 to get it taxed, so you can legally drive on the public roads after you've paid the €125 towing charge, and €35 for each day the car is stored in the impound lot. All this has to be paid to get it released back to you. Then you'll have to pay the €60 fixed charge penalty. So even if you stump up straight away it'll cost you €325 at least. Your plan is not as clever as you may think.

If it goes to court and goes against you then you run the risk of the fine increasing significantly.

still cheaper than the yearly tax

Jesus Shaves

Bosco boy wrote: »

By the way if you go into a Garda station and declare the car was off the road for the period during which you were stopped you run the risk of being prosecuted for making a false declaration, I wouldn't go there if I were you! You bright idea might not be so bright after all!

i'm not stupid, i know this wont work, the insurance cert gave it away,
there is one surefire and legal way around this
i'm surprised no one has mentioned it

Jesus Shaves

Nice little debate going on here actually
Some very interesting facts and some very interesting thoughts being brought up

Bosco boy

Pay your motor tax when it's due like the rest of us.

Hooch

Bosco boy wrote: »

Pay your motor tax when it's due like the rest of us.

Jesus Shaves

nice guy always wrote: »

i'm not feeding him, i'm stopping him from trolling at other toll bridges

Bunny Buster

darokane wrote: »

i'm not stupid, i know this wont work, the insurance cert gave it away,
there is one surefire and legal way around this
i'm surprised no one has mentioned it

Three things....

1: Your punctuation is terrible!

2: Share your " surefire and legal way around this ", :rolleyes: because I want to know how I could have avoided paying over €500 tax today and every other year that I have been paying it!!

3: On the up side, all of this money you are " saving " will come in very handy when you have to hire a solicitor to defend the imminent RTA charges that will be brought against you, as a result of your sheer ignorance!!!

source

darokane wrote: »

i'm not stupid, i know this wont work, the insurance cert gave it away,
there is one surefire and legal way around this
i'm surprised no one has mentioned it

Please enlighten us as to this magical legal way of avoiding tax, so we may debate the legality of your scheme.