Who do you plan to vote for?!

thetonynator

Time to gauge the voting tendencies of Kilkenny people!

Poll will contain all candidates, although the carlow candidates figures won't be accurate round here . . .

bennyob

None of the above..............FF, FG too similar. Dont trust SF, don't like G. The rest are a waste of votes."DISILLUSIONED"

up for anything

I'm disappointed. Is that it for independents? I thought there would be a lot more of them this time round.

ft9

John Paul for me again, hope he gets in this time

frankie2shoes

hard to decide......such an illustrious bunch!!!!
Am verring towards Ann Phelan. Am I right in thinking this is the first time labour have a candidate in a general election for carlow/kk?

thetonynator

up for anything wrote: »

I'm disappointed. Is that it for independents? I thought there would be a lot more of them this time round.

Official list isn't out yet, so there could be more closer to the time.

fabbydabby

thetonynator wrote: »

Time to gauge the voting tendencies of Kilkenny people!

Poll will contain all candidates, although the carlow candidates figures won't be accurate round here . . .

None of them will. This poll won't gauge the voting tendencies of the Carlow Kilkenny constituents, they'll gauge the voting tendencies of tech savvy, reasonably intelligent, predominantly male, predominantly irish, predominantly under 40's in the Kilkenny City area.

If you were to apply this poll to Jackie Healy Rae's constituency, you think he would top the poll? Like hell he would, put people seem to vote him in all the same.

Not to say it's not a worthwhile excercise, it's just that your sample population is massively skewed, and you should bear that in mind when drawing conclusions from statistical data gleaned from it.

Not AT ALL surprised to see FG storming ahead in this one. The reality might be very different. We got three FF last time, what's the bets on three FG this time?

brettmirl

My prediction is that we'll end up with 2 FF, 2 FG and 1 Lab.

I'd say Carlow/Kilkenny will buck the national trend and both Bobby Aylward and John McGuinness doing very well.

John Paul Phelan should make it this time, and perhaps Phil Hogan will be made Minister of something.

Ann Phelan should do it for Labour.

bennyob

frankie2shoes wrote: »

hard to decide......such an illustrious bunch!!!!
Am verring towards Ann Phelan. Am I right in thinking this is the first time labour have a candidate in a general election for carlow/kk?

No, Seamus Patterson was a Labour TD for a long time.

thetonynator

fabbydabby wrote: »

None of them will. This poll won't gauge the voting tendencies of the Carlow Kilkenny constituents, they'll gauge the voting tendencies of tech savvy, reasonably intelligent, predominantly male, predominantly irish, predominantly under 40's in the Kilkenny City area.

If you were to apply this poll to Jackie Healy Rae's constituency, you think he would top the poll? Like hell he would, put people seem to vote him in all the same.

Not to say it's not a worthwhile excercise, it's just that your sample population is massively skewed, and you should bear that in mind when drawing conclusions from statistical data gleaned from it.

Not AT ALL surprised to see FG storming ahead in this one. The reality might be very different. We got three FF last time, what's the bets on three FG this time?

I know it's not accurate at all, however it is useful to see what this group of people think, and also to compare Kilkenny to other regions which have boards polls as well.

road_high

One vote for Mary White. Why?

thetonynator

mfitzy wrote: »

One vote for Mary White. Why?

one vote too many . . maybe she has a boards account?

thetonynator

1st posters up today, phil hogan seems to have covered half the town in them. Every roundabout on the ring road seems to half him smiling down at you. . . He got all the good spots anyway!

fabbydabby

Maybe he just really likes roundabouts.

ft9

John Paul Phelan is doing well in the poll.

Probably a lot to do with the age group of people on here?

fabbydabby

Yeah he is alright. My thoughts exactly on the age group. I reckon he'll get in though. I would like to see him get in.

My predicitons:

JPP and PH for FG
JMcG for FF

are a shoo-in. I also reckon Mary White and Conor MacLiam are not at the races (5/1 and 20/1 respectively) and I don't think the shinners will sneak one in either though we could all be surprised on that one.

This leaves two seats to go with Deering (FG), Phelan & Hurley (Lab) and Aylward (FF) fighting for them. What you reckon?


Phelan is not well known around these parts and neither is Deering, but Aylward is known for belonging to a party that orchestrated the systematic disintegration of our entire economy so it's hard to know.

A lot of stupid people are allowed to vote.

thetonynator

fabbydabby wrote: »

Yeah he is alright. My thoughts exactly on the age group. I reckon he'll get in though. I would like to see him get in.

My predicitons:

JPP and PH for FG
JMcG for FF

are a shoo-in. I also reckon Mary White and Conor MacLiam are not at the races (5/1 and 20/1 respectively) and I don't think the shinners will sneak one in either though we could all be surprised on that one.

This leaves two seats to go with Deering (FG), Phelan & Hurley (Lab) and Aylward (FF) fighting for them. What you reckon?


Phelan is not well known around these parts and neither is Deering, but Aylward is known for belonging to a party that orchestrated the systematic disintegration of our entire economy so it's hard to know.

A lot of stupid people are allowed to vote.

JPP has great odds at 1/2 to get the seat, compared to hogan's 1/40.

I wouldn't call mcguinness a shoo in, i'd say that he will be fighting with aylward for one. Labours will definately take one, sinn fein won't i'd say as their transfers won't work out with people giving both 1 and 2 to someone in their own county.

ft9

I reckon John Paul and Phil hogan will get in after that I just don't know, there is certainly a chance of a few surprises.

I just hope that the people who are voting FF all their lives as a habit or tradition can break the mould this time around, I think thats a major factor here ''brand loyalty'', and I reckon this might result in Aylward getting in, although they are not looking too good on the opinion polls.

Badgermonkey

bennyob wrote: »

None of the above..............FF, FG too similar. Dont trust SF, don't like G. The rest are a waste of votes."DISILLUSIONED"

+1

There is a lot of dead wood on that list and regardless of political hue, the impression remains that self interest, then party interest take precedence.

I won't vote FF, never have./ Cute hoorism, politics of local fiefdoms

FG is replacing like with like / time we got past civil war politics

Lab won't renegotiate Croke Park which is lunacy

Greens should have bolted a lot sooner

SF eh, no thanks.

If anyone here feels like running I'll vote for you, promise.:D

Scallion 'ater

Badgermonkey wrote: »

+1


Lab won't renegotiate Croke Park which is lunacy

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Croke park is the only real chance of public sector reform. To try to do so with out union agreement would be lunacy - i.e. thousands of nurses and teachers on the streets. We've enough problems with our international reputation without that. Besides the deal is in fact delivering real reforms (albeit slowly) which will bring real savings. I say leave it be for another couple of years and tot up up the savings then before throwing this historic opportunity away.

As for the outcome of the election here I see FF vote holding up well in KK but collapsing in Carlow. Deering will take a seat in Carlow which ithink will see 3 FG and 2 FF returned. Labour candidates are poor. I thought Fucheon was appalling on Vincent Brown last night - hadn't a clue and couldn't string three words together.

Badgermonkey

Scallion 'ater wrote: »

Badgermonkey wrote: »

+1


Lab won't renegotiate Croke Park which is lunacy

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Croke park is the only real chance of public sector reform. To try to do so with out union agreement would be lunacy - i.e. thousands of nurses and teachers on the streets. We've enough problems with our international reputation without that. Besides the deal is in fact delivering real reforms (albeit slowly) which will bring real savings. I say leave it be for another couple of years and tot up up the savings then before throwing this historic opportunity away.

I see what you're saying and I'd respectfully disagree. Were nurses,teachers and other public sector workers to chose to strike, they may find the public support they've always relied upon would fail to materialise.

As the debt burden seems unsustainable and the possibility of default increases, I would think to leave it for another couple of years would be foolhardy.

If we are to return to the EU/IMF to seek a revision of terms then I'd think it fair public sector workers accept the situation calls for the initial agreement to be revisited.

frankie2shoes

As a long time labour voter, I see their refusal to review/amend the croke park agreement as very worrying and will damage them in the forthcoming election.....

Raze_them_all

Badgermonkey wrote: »

Scallion 'ater wrote: »

I see what you're saying and I'd respectfully disagree. Were nurses,teachers and other public sector workers to chose to strike, they may find the public support they've always relied upon would fail to materialise.

As the debt burden seems unsustainable and the possibility of default increases, I would think to leave it for another couple of years would be foolhardy.

If we are to return to the EU/IMF to seek a revision of terms then I'd think it fair public sector workers accept the situation calls for the initial agreement to be revisited.

The greatest thing the outgoing government did. Convince the puclic the PS workers are at fault. My old lads wages are down at least 20% in the last two years with further talks more coming. also isn there talk of not paying student nurses now?? If that goes through i suspect the health system will be even worse.

jimthemental

Looks like Phelan will do well. Has anyone noticed how small the Fianna Fail logo is on the posters?

thetonynator

jimthemental wrote: »

Looks like Phelan will do well. Has anyone noticed how small the Fianna Fail logo is on the posters?

I don't think it's even on mcguinness' posters, although it does say vote 2 aylward and vote 3 murnane-o'connor.

fabbydabby

It is on them alright, I stopped beside one to check.

Top left corner, off white on white, low contrast.

cocoshovel

"Ah shur, you can't expect to get it for nothing!"

-Bobby Aylward when I question him on Student college fee's.

He hadn't a single clue about anything!

thetonynator

I'm sure the boards.ie/vote poll will be much more accurate than this one now! Considering it has already 100 votes, compared to the 52 here . .

fabbydabby

JPP @2/1 FTW!

zinx

Scallion 'ater wrote: »

Badgermonkey wrote: »

+ I thought Fucheon was appalling on Vincent Brown last night - hadn't a clue and couldn't string three words together.

100% agree.
She came across as a right sour yoke.Add an ugly face and limited intelligence to that.

Also she represents a political wing that has "strong links" to a terrorist organisation,that in the past blew children to bits.

Horrible people and anyone that votes for them are scum.

ft9

fabbydabby wrote: »

JPP @2/1 FTW!

Where do you get this price Fabby? I'll be havin some of that!

4/9 is all I can find on him

thetonynator

ft9 wrote: »

Where do you get this price Fabby? I'll be havin some of that!

4/9 is all I can find on him

I think he was mixed up, he wasn't at 2/1, he was at 1/2 (which was very good) but the odds have since been shortened.

thetonynator

fabbydabby wrote: »

It is on them alright, I stopped beside one to check.

Top left corner, off white on white, low contrast.

Had a look today, yeah i found it, where you said, took me a minute though! could he actually have made in any more inconspicuous?!

Badgermonkey

zinx wrote: »

She came across as a right sour yoke.Add an ugly face and limited intelligence to that.

Horrible people and anyone that votes for them are scum.

Attacking a candidate based on your judgement of their physical attractiveness is not too clever tbh.

I have no time for Sinn Fein, though those who support them are as entitled to do so as you are to back the candidate of your choosing.

fabbydabby

Sorry ft9, the tonynator is correct, I got them mixed up when I wrote it here and the odds have since been shortened (which is a good sign innit?).

20 quid on JPP at 1/2 wins a tenner plus your 20 back..

zinx

Badgermonkey wrote: »

Attacking a candidate based on your judgement of their physical attractiveness is not too clever tbh.

I have no time for Sinn Fein, though those who support them are as entitled to do so as you are to back the candidate of your choosing.

Correct and I withdraw the remark I made over her physical repulsiveness.
She is still a plank though and if that's the best the shinners can offer then best of luck to them:D

insight_man

I don't agree. kathleen did well considering the others were all jumping in as usual. Comments on her looks etc just shows how politically illiterate you are. Shame on you.

zinx

insight_man wrote: »

I don't agree. kathleen did well considering the others were all jumping in as usual. Comments on her looks etc just shows how politically illiterate you are. Shame on you.

For you to say how well she did says it all for me.

Speaking of shame-Did she issue any apologies on behalf of the IRA?

For all the men,women and children murdered/tortured?

In our name?

But of course the shinners have no association to the IRA, so why should they?:rolleyes:

It will be a dark day for our state the day we let that crowd have a sniff of power.

Asphyxia

I have an idea but I'm not entirely sure. My father is mad for me to vote for SF :rolleyes: Ugh! Decisions :mad:

thetonynator

Pocketfizz wrote: »

I have an idea but I'm not entirely sure. My father is mad for me to vote for SF :rolleyes: Ugh! Decisions :mad:

Not trying to swing your vote or anything, but judging by their lack of ideas, and general sweeping statements about ''burning the bondholders'', but having no idea what to do when they tell the IMF to feck off, i wouldn't personally think that voting for them tis the best idea. but this not being the politics forum, i shouldnt be going on about it!

insight_man

zinx wrote: »

For you to say how well she did says it all for me.

Speaking of shame-Did she issue any apologies on behalf of the IRA?

For all the men,women and children murdered/tortured?

In our name?

But of course the shinners have no association to the IRA, so why should they?:rolleyes:

It will be a dark day for our state the day we let that crowd have a sniff of power.

Looks like I touched a nerve zinx. I didn't say how well she did I said she did well considering...If all people ever do is look back then how can anyone ever move forward. The future of our country is at stake and on the 25th people have the chance to decide what that might look like. For me anyway everyone paying the price except bankers, developers and croked politicians ie those whose endless greed caused this collapse, is not good enough. There is a better way.

zinx

insight_man wrote: »

Looks like I touched a nerve zinx. I didn't say how well she did I said she did well considering...If all people ever do is look back then how can anyone ever move forward. The future of our country is at stake and on the 25th people have the chance to decide what that might look like. For me anyway everyone paying the price except bankers, developers and croked politicians ie those whose endless greed caused this collapse, is not good enough. There is a better way.

Say that to the parents of Tim Parry (aged 12) and Jonathan Ball (aged 3) who were blown to bits in Warrington in 1993 by the IRA,who left a bomb in a litter box.
And whose parents were told years later "of the regret " by the leader of Sinn Fein felt over the murder of those little innocent kids.

Omagh?

Manchester?

All murdered in our name.

And you are on here talking about "everyone paying the price" and "not looking back" and telling me "shame on you"????

Are you seriously for real?

Also "the future of our country is at stake and on the 25th everyone will have a chance.." Well that's certainly true and I for one, don't want Sinn Fein representing me or my family.
Give me a rogue any day over them.

insight_man

zinx wrote: »

Say that to the parents of Tim Parry (aged 12) and Jonathan Ball (aged 3) who were blown to bits in Warrington in 1993 by the IRA,who left a bomb in a litter box.
And whose parents were told years later "of the regret " by the leader of Sinn Fein felt over the murder of those little innocent kids.

Omagh?

Manchester?

All murdered in our name.

And you are on here talking about "everyone paying the price" and "not looking back" and telling me "shame on you"????

Are you seriously for real?

Also "the future of our country is at stake and on the 25th everyone will have a chance.." Well that's certainly true and I for one, don't want Sinn Fein representing me or my family.
Give me a rogue any day over them.

Entitled to your view. So is everyone else thats why Boards is used by so many people.

DerryRed

zinx wrote: »

Say that to the parents of Tim Parry (aged 12) and Jonathan Ball (aged 3) who were blown to bits in Warrington in 1993 by the IRA,who left a bomb in a litter box.
And whose parents were told years later "of the regret " by the leader of Sinn Fein felt over the murder of those little innocent kids.

Omagh?

Manchester?

All murdered in our name.

And you are on here talking about "everyone paying the price" and "not looking back" and telling me "shame on you"????

Are you seriously for real?

Also "the future of our country is at stake and on the 25th everyone will have a chance.." Well that's certainly true and I for one, don't want Sinn Fein representing me or my family.
Give me a rogue any day over them.

History is littered with examples of organisations and individuals who turned away from violence, and joined the mainstream political process. The most notable being The ANC led by Nelson Mandela.

Sinn Fein have been in government in the North for quite a few years now, the majority of them in partnership with the DUP, something that would have been unthinkable during the height of The Troubles.

If the people of The North have been prepared to move on, perhaps the people of The Republic should also move on, and consider Sinn Fein as a viable alternative to the shower that have got us into the mess that we are currently in.

Captain Havoc

I don't think the IRA thing really comes into it. People won't be voting for Sinn Féin because they're too left wing. How as ever, judging by the boards.ie vote, they've number one in a few constituencies, Pearse Doherty is one man I wouldn't be betting against anyway.

catbear

I don't know why SF are singled out as the destructive ones, how many millions has Ireland lost due to the economic policies of the two centrist parties since the foundation of the state.

SF has been exposed to British politics where mps who cheat on their expenses go to jail. It would be a good thing if SF were to bring some of that ethic into joke that is Irish politics.

BTW, the state was fought for and there was blood.

The big black mark against SF was their vote in favor of the blank check for the banks. It was crazy to bailout a flawed sector without any means to impose new terms; the bailed out bankers would never had got their bonuses if terms and conditions had been set.

They're just a different shade of incompetence.

DerryRed

Captain Havoc wrote: »

I don't think the IRA thing really comes into it. People won't be voting for Sinn Féin because they're too left wing. How as ever, judging by the boards.ie vote, they've number one in a few constituencies, Pearse Doherty is one man I wouldn't be betting against anyway.

I'd agree with you that they are left wing, and this would put some people off. However the right wing haven't led us to such a good place at present. Maybe it's time for something different. I can't see it happening in this election, but maybe a few years of another right wing led government will wake people up to voting for real change next time.

Regarding the IRA thing, i'd love to say that it's not an issue, but from the conversations i'm having both online and offline it's still citied as a huge reason why people won't vote for Sinn Fein. Maybe it's one of those things that will take more time.

Captain Havoc

catbear wrote: »

They're just a different shade of incompetence.

That's the biggest issue around this election, there really isn't any party leader that I can say, yes this is absolutely the person who will lead this country to a better period.

DerryRed

Captain Havoc wrote: »

That's the biggest issue around this election, there really isn't any party leader that I can say, yes this is absolutely the person who will lead this country to a better period.

To be honest I just can't understand why Sinn Fein have brought down Adams. Every time I've heard Pearse Doherty speak I've been well impressed. I think they should have put him up as the front man for Sinn Fein. Maybe this is a general election too early, but he is definitely one to watch.

insight_man

DerryRed wrote: »

To be honest I just can't understand why Sinn Fein have brought down Adams. Every time I've heard Pearse Doherty speak I've been well impressed. I think they should have put him up as the front man for Sinn Fein. Maybe this is a general election too early, but he is definitely one to watch.

I agree about Doherty being very impressive but Adams have led the way for years away from violence towards peace. That took some nerve, political brevery and skill. I think he will make an excellent TD and in time Docherty will most likely take over the leasership of SF.

SF measure things in decades not one election to the next. Thats one big difference from the other career parties. A strong SF presence in the Dail will put extreem preasure on the other 3 right wing parties ie FF,FG and Lab.

Lab are making a big mistake hitching their wagon to FG. Gilmore should be going for Taoiseach with SF and left independents if the numbers stack up after the election.

Ok own up which one of you guys is selling it?

http://www.donedeal.ie/for-sale/collectibles/1792586