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Zeitgeist: Moving Forward (by Peter Joseph)
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27-01-2011 5:51pm#1
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This sounds more like a movie than a documentary.
I thought the first one was interesting and thought-provoking (although quite specious); the second one was much worse and with more wild notions/accusations; reading the above posts I'm quite reticent to spend my precious bandwidth on it.
Cheers Sy. Anyone else lemme know how it stacks up
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welcome to Boards.ie HighandMighty
Your positive review was very vague and general, much like our generally negative reviews. I suppose if you're going to go against the general consensus you could be more specific. I personally downloaded and tried watching the 3rd one, twice, but just didn't care for it at all. I would like to know what points struck you enough to create an account and reply here though 0 -
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Thanks jaykhunter.jaykhunter wrote: »welcome to Boards.ie HighandMightyjohnny_ultimate wrote: »Sheeple, ROFL.
funny but serious at the same time. Quite a few here in Ireland (aswell as sheep!). For the confused.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheeple
I have not seen "lose change" myself so i cannot judge. What i can say is i dont watch tv everyday like alot of people, i intake what i want to intake, not what others want me to intake, and i mean that in the broadest of senses. I totally understand your dislike of the methods of the spammer, extremism is prevalent in many walks and they tarnish agreed.
Respect to your opinion though Johnny.;)0 -
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This was generally quite a good film, and should be an eye opener for people. The section about machines being in complete control of us is a bit hard to digest though. Sounded like a bit of a nightmare future
That said, I believe the reason that people continue to point out as many factual errors as they can and disregard the bigger picture painted just shows how terrified they really are of this house of cards delusional civilisation collapsing. So terrified in fact, they will rubbish the possibility of it happening entirely.
The Peak oil and the debt/money pyramid scheme issues are very real it seems. It's only when the sh1t really hits the fan will people listen.
maybe they needed better CGI?
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Hi all. :-)
My name is Dean i am a member of the Zeitgeist Movement Ireland. Iv been reading through this thread and i see a number of things id like to try clarify.The first of which is the validity of a claim made upon presumption /3rd party hearsay ...
For example here are some quotes by people in participation on this thread--->
All films/documentaries have critics on either side. For example. Lets take the god awful(pun intended)Christian propaganda film “Expelled: no intelligence allowed” which is a film that tries to make the case against evolution. Any rational minded person will be able to watch the film and point out the logical fallacies and bull**** data in the film straight away yet if you or i were to talk to a demographic (for example,the bible belt in the usa etc) you might find a large portion of people who loved the film and agreed with the subject matterMagicMarker
I was thinking of giving it a watch but now I know it's by the same guy who did the other one I'm not really so keen to give up 90 minutes of my life.
johnny_ultimate
I know this probably isn't about lizard people, but I'm going to assume it is.
Precious bandwidth saved [IMG]file:///C:/Users/none7/AppData/Local/Temp/msohtmlclip1/01/clip_image001.gif[/IMG]
jaykhunter
reading the above posts I'm quite reticent to spend my precious bandwidth on it.
johnny_ultimate
The reason we're dismissing this particular work is that it is a piece of crap. I haven't seen it, but that's because I'm not wasting my time with this rubbish.
Now lets take Carl Sagans series Cosmos..An excellent set of programs based upon the methodology of scientific inquiry,,,yet ,,you can still find critics on either side.
The point i am making is that biases exist in all areas of life,,if we are to weed out the valid from the fallacious, basing our advocations/opinions purely upon hearsay and opinions of others is rational suicide straight from kickoff.
Loose change has nothing at all to do either the Zeitgeist Movement /Zeitgeist Moving Forward or a Resourse based economy.You are making a false correlation with this link to Loose Changejohnny_ultimate
I can safely assume, having spent some time watching other garbage like Loose Change, that it is a factually suspect, poorly directed piece of crap
Im going to highlight the next it of text just so people don’t miss it since it is a common misconception(sometimes even amoungst members unfortunately!)
None of the first Zeitgeist film has anything to do with the Zeitgeist Movement /Zeitgeist Moving Forward or a Resource based economy....at all.That includes 911.
This is also a very common misunderstanding(again, sometimes even by members unfortunately)
I agree with you 100% johnny,,im sick of that term. It is often used by Conspiracy theorists against those who disagree with their position. Usually by people claiming “new world order” or some other unsubstantiated nonsense by “truthers” or “anti new world order” foolsjohnny_ultimate
Only thing worse than sheeple? People who call people sheeple.
Again..your opinion here is fallacious 3rd party heresay. Please back up this claim that Zeitgeist:Moving Forward is based upon conspiracy theory. You can start to do this by watching the film and then analysing the content with honest scepticism.johnny_ultimate
I am well aware of the way the world works, and it's not perfect. I also understand how film works, and going by the people making these unwieldy, emotionally manipulative conspiracy theory docs that's something I have over them.
If you wish to stress this like you say,,please first demonstrate your understanding to what the zeitgeist movement actually advocates and then we can go from there. I ask this of you for the following reasonàjohnny_ultimate
I should stress that what people in Zeitgeist believe in is far from the truth too
Its all too often that people waste time projecting their demonstrably incorrect misunderstanding about a resource based economy without actually understanding the system being proposed. This leads to strawman argument after strawman argument and just wastes everybodys time in a lengthy back and forth discussion discussing fallacious arguments/false projections and misunderstandings instead of real skeptical discussion of the economic system being discussed.johnny_ultimate
everytime Zeitgeist comes up it's the same old crap - this thread was started by a (now deleted) poster who was simply spamming links to the rubbish. Rubbing it in people's face while insulting those who disagree with it is one form of arguing, but it isn't a very good one.
I agree, spamming should not be tolerated and you guys did right to delete the OP.Im not sure if the OP was a member of the movement of not,,unfortunetly there are people trying to discuss this material who have no idea what they are actually advocating. It is usually people who have watched the films and think they understand a resource based economy. I hope in time ,as understanding grows,that people will stop behaving like this.johnny_ultimate
No I'm not going to watch Moving Forward, and you can argue that negates my opinion.
It doesn’t just negate your opinion ,,,it also throws your rational credibility into question for making such a baseless statementjohnny_ultimate
But I'm also not going to watch Big Momma's House 3, and I am equally confident that that is absolute rubbish.
This is a false analogy.Surely you must see how ridiculous this argument is..it is similar to the “Hitler had a head,,,you have a head,,i don’t like Hitler,,therefore i don’t like you “ argument.
How can you claim they have “rightly” called out the failures and faults of a film(zeitgeist moving forward) if you have not actually seen the film?johnny_ultimate
Believe what you want, but don't come here criticising people's abilities to criticise just because they have rightly called out the failures and faults of what many believe to be a poorly made film.johnny_ultimate
If you want to argue about the theories present in the documentary, there's a conspiracy theory forum on here too.
Again,,please demonstrate ,specifically, the conspiracy theory present within Zeitgeist moving forwardjohnny_ultimate
just because they have called this - correctly IMO - a piece of crap.
Seriously Johnny,lets be honest here, you cannot claim intellectual honestly and hold an opinion about the information in the film to which you have demonstrated (so far) you know absolutely nothing aboutShulgin
The section about machines being in complete control of us is a bit hard to digest though. Sounded like a bit of a nightmare future [IMG]file:///C:/Users/none7/AppData/Local/Temp/msohtmlclip1/01/clip_image002.gif[/IMG]
Hi shulgin.
I would recommend a look at the watchlist in the link below to clear up any concerns you may have.Nobody is saying “machines” will control us but i do understand why one might jump to that assumption. Im particular have a look at the “orientation guide” “where are we going” “where are we now” “social pathology” lectures. These talks go into far more detail about the workings of a resource based economy and will clear up your concerns far better than me typing page after page of text on here! J
http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.ie/component/kunena/7-the-zeitgeist-movement/5548-understanding-the-zeitgeist-movementSyferus
and that those same facts are intermixed in with tin-hat level paranoia and mis-truths.
Hi Syferus
You make the claim of tin hat paranoia and mistruths..In order for this claim to be taken as valid please demonstrate firstly your understanding of what is being proposed and then please point out the “tin-hat level paranoia and mis-truths” you claim.
Hi PhonyScottPhony Scott
My issue with documentaries such as this is that they need to be accredited. This, as far as I can tell, hasn’t by anyone serious in the know and until I see that happening I’ll be avoiding this documentary like the proverbial plague. If this was, say, a John Pilger or a Michael Moore documentary, I would watch it, even if I disagree with some of their views. At least Pilger and Moore has been accredited in some way for years.
I see you also have a strong public opinion about a film you have not actually watched.
You claim this documentary needs to be accredited. Here are the list of interviewees in Zeitgeist Moving Forwardà
- --Dr. Robert Sapolsky(professor of Biological Sciences, and Professor of Neurology and Neurological Sciences and, by courtesy, Neurosurgery, at Stanford University,
- --Dr. Gábor Máté,( physician who specializes in the study and treatment of addiction)
- --Richard Wilkinson(Professor Emeritus of social epidemiology at the University of Nottingham, having retired in 2008. He is also Honorary Professor at University College London.)
- --Dr. James Gilligan(psychiatrist/director of mental health for the Massachusetts prison system and President of the International Association for Forensic Psychotherapy),
- --- Dr. John McMurtry(moral philosopher and ethicist who works at the University of Guelph in Ontario, Canada),
- -- Michael Ruppert(investigator and Journalist).Even though i don’t disagree with his points in the film i would have left him out to be honest but that’s just my opinion
- --Max Keiser(former broker and options trader/financial analyst)
- -- Dr. Behrokh Khoshnevis(professor of Industrial & Systems Engineering and is the Director of Manufacturing Engineering Graduate Program at the University of Southern California)
- --Dr. Adrian Bowyer(British engineer and mathematician, currently an academic at the University of Bath.)
- --Dr. Colin J. Campbell (PhD Oxford, petroleum geologist)
- --Jeremy J. Gilbert.( Petroleum Engineer)
I think it is important at this stage to also point out that accreditation is not the be all and end all. It is the validity of the information that should determine the acceptance or rejection of the points made in the film.
To demonstrate my point here..lets take a film i mentioned earlier on in this post “Expelled: no intelligence allowed” . There are actually people with phds who agree with the content of this film! For example Dr. Georgia Purdom (Ph.D. in molecular genetics Ohio State University) Does the fact that she agrees with the content of the film make it accurate or inaccurate? Not at all..
The same applies to Carl Sagans excellent series “Cosmos”..is it factually accurate because Carl Sagan was a astronomer, astrophysicist, cosmologist? ...again no..is was accurate based upon the available information at the time.
Like wise with Zeitgeist Moving forward. The people themselves do not automatically imply accuracy of information. It is the information that needs to be considered above all else rather than blind dismissal and false projections
Hi Anonoboy,,which of the zeitgeist films are you referring to? Peter Joseph has admitted to a complete turnaround in thinking after making the first film. Before the second film(Zeitgeist Addendum) there was no zeitgeist movement either nor was there plans to be. At that time Peter Josephs worldview was ass backwards as he admits himself. In other words he created Zeitgeist 1 before he ever even heard of a Resource Based Economy/The Venus Project.AnonoBoy
If a documentary that's supposed to be exposing 'lies' and getting 'sheeple' to wake up is itself lying and stating things as 'fact' which have nothing to back them up and are easily proven wrong then it makes one wonder how reliable it is as a documentary.
Also, just from a technical point of view, it's put together really really poorly.Deleted User
Zeitgeist is the ramblings of a possibly mentally unstable mind, it's full of fabrications, half-truths and blatant lies. To classify it as a documentary is plain wrong, much like the work of Michael Moore
Hi Darko
You have made some claims here that i would like you to verify.As this thread is about Zeitgeist moving forward can you specifically point out the “ramblings of a possibly mentally unstable mind” “fabrications, half-truths and blatant lies” in detail as so we can discuss these claims as rational adults
You have made a claim here that the film is being dishonest to serve some kind of conspiratorial agenda on behalf of the director. Please bring forward you best evidence to confirm this.Deleted User
it's fiction which manipulate some truths in order to serve the directors agenda.
If anybody would like to know more information they are free to visit the forums on the Zeitgeist Ireland chapter website.Honest skepticism is welcomed and encouraged.
That does not include opinions like "I have not watched the material but my opinion is...."
Here are some helpful links for those who may be genuinely interested/skeptical - the peter joseph radio addresses(literally dozens of hours of Peter answering questions about the details of a resource based economy)
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/peter-joseph
and here is the link to the recommended watchlist again
http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.ie/component/kunena/7-the-zeitgeist-movement/5548-understanding-the-zeitgeist-movement0 -
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Sad Professor wrote: »I'm seriously considering moving this thread to Conspiracy Theories. I think the film's advocates would be much more at home there as well.
Skeptics Corner surely 0 -
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