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Dear God, the over-moderation.

  • 28-01-2011 1:25pm
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,057 ✭✭✭


    This thread will no doubt be closed or removed. I'm prepared for that. But I just have to say this: I am shocked at how stiflingly over-moderated this site is.

    I've been posting on Digital Spy for years. There, occasionally threads are closed and posts removed, but very rarely, and yet the site moves along swimmingly with no too many problems and works very well.

    So I expected something the same from boards.ie. But instead I cannot believe how much moderators interfere with threads here and the regularity with which they are closed. And a lot of the time, the moderator's own person view seem to come into the thread being closed or moved.

    And there just seem to be so many moderators, it's hard to move for them sometimes. Let things flow a bit, FFS.

    And sometimes useless, yet fun, threads get started. So what?

    If I get banned for this, fine, I just had to say this.

    Thoughts?
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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,234 ✭✭✭✭Lumen




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    This thread will no doubt be closed or removed. I'm prepared for that. But I just have to say this: I am shocked at how stiflingly over-moderated this site is.

    I've been posting on Digital Spy for years. There, occasionally threads are closed and posts removed, but very rarely, and yet the site moves along swimmingly with no too many problems and works very well.

    So I expected something the same from boards.ie. But instead I cannot believe how much moderators interfere with threads here and the regularity with which they are closed. And a lot of the time, the moderator's own person view seem to come into the thread being closed or moved.

    And there just seem to be so many moderators, it's hard to move for them sometimes. Let things flow a bit, FFS.

    And sometimes useless, yet fun, threads get started. So what?

    If I get banned for this, fine, I just had to say this.

    Thoughts?

    What brought this on....?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    If you are on about the thread that was moved id say it was because it became your thread. Only a few people were posting. I could be wrong.


  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 35,946 Mod ✭✭✭✭dr.bollocko


    Did digitalspy shut down or did you just get lost?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,258 ✭✭✭✭Rabies


    If I get banned for this, fine, I just had to say this.

    You wont get banned for giving your opinion. Only stupid people get banned.

    I've moved your thread to Feedback, its the most appropriate forum for this discussion.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    I hear that Digitalspy is ****. Full of kids and nonsense. Like youtube.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 720 ✭✭✭Fight_Night


    Yeah this site is too heavily moderated for there to be any epic threads but at least its not like 4chan.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 546 ✭✭✭clived2




    If I dont interfere, all I get is hassle and then people stop beleiving in me, and when I do, you accuse me of this? There is no pleasing you humans.


    God


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    Did digitalspy shut down or did you just get lost?

    Play nice :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,057 ✭✭✭TaraFoxglove


    Hi, a thread of mine was moved BUT I'd just like to point out that I have felt this way from the start.

    And no, Digital Spy is not full of kids. Far from it.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    Yeah this site is too heavily moderated for there to be any epic threads but at least its not like 4chan.


    how so?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    Hi, a thread of mine was moved BUT I'd just like to point out that I have felt this way from the start.

    And no, Digital Spy is not full of kids. Far from it.

    Did you ask the mod why it was moved ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,332 ✭✭✭Guill


    I hate when someone opens a post and the a mod shuts it down with a comment like: not this again or boring or thats enough of that, let the poster decide when enough is enough or whats boring. And if is has been done before by someone it probably hasn't been done by the OP.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,112 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tar.Aldarion


    hondasam wrote: »
    Did you ask the mod why it was moved ?

    No s/he asked me, the mod of the forum it was moved to, which made no sense :P


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,057 ✭✭✭TaraFoxglove


    hondasam wrote: »
    Did you ask the mod why it was moved ?

    I don't know exactly which mod moved it so I asked one the mods from the subforum it was moved to. It was a silly, pretty light-hearted thread I put in After Hours. Seriously, what is wrong with that? But it's not just about my thread. I can't believe how many are closed because the mod themselves doesn't deem the subject matter worthy.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    No s/he asked me, the mod of the forum it was moved to, which made no sense :P

    you seen the flirting and wanted in on the action :p


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,057 ✭✭✭TaraFoxglove


    No s/he asked me, the mod of the forum it was moved to, which made no sense :P

    That's because I have no idea who moved it!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,057 ✭✭✭TaraFoxglove


    Guill wrote: »
    I hate when someone opens a post and the a mod shuts it down with a comment like: not this again or boring or thats enough of that, let the poster decide when enough is enough or whats boring. And if is has been done before by someone it probably hasn't been done by the OP.

    +1. If people reply to a thread, then it's generating some interest. If the thread dies for lack of interest, then fine.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,332 ✭✭✭Guill


    In before the:

    All mods do this of their own free will.............if you have an issue with any.............. etc etc etc.


  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 35,946 Mod ✭✭✭✭dr.bollocko


    No s/he asked me, the mod of the forum it was moved to, which made no sense :P

    The original mover of the thread can be found by checking it in the ole moderator log at t' top o' the thread.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,183 ✭✭✭almighty1


    I have to say that the Rugby forum is the most overmodded place here.

    You cant even express an opinion on certain players from certain provinces and your warned or banned.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,057 ✭✭✭TaraFoxglove


    The original mover of the thread can be found by checking it in the ole moderator log at t' top o' the thread.

    Thank you.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Guill wrote: »
    I hate when someone opens a post and the a mod shuts it down with a comment like: not this again or boring or thats enough of that, let the poster decide when enough is enough or whats boring. And if is has been done before by someone it probably hasn't been done by the OP.

    This is because 'n00b' and 'lurk moar' is considered somewhat passe.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,057 ✭✭✭TaraFoxglove


    almighty1 wrote: »
    I have to say that the Rugby forum is the most overmodded place here.

    You cant even express an opinion on certain players from certain provinces and your warned or banned.

    See, that's not cool, that's the mods own personal views seeping in, which happens too much on here from what I can see.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,112 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tar.Aldarion


    The original mover of the thread can be found by checking it in the ole moderator log at t' top o' the thread.

    That's only available to moderators and I was never asked!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    +1. If people reply to a thread, then it's generating some interest. If the thread dies for lack of interest, then fine.


    check the number of people who posted on it, you have 29 posts out of 86. you contributed most of the thread.

    It is fine where it is now.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,057 ✭✭✭TaraFoxglove


    And now the thread has been moved to somewhere where it won't get lots of responses. :rolleyes: Sigh.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,057 ✭✭✭TaraFoxglove


    hondasam wrote: »
    check the number of people who posted on it, you have 29 posts out of 86. you contributed most of the thread.

    It is fine where it is now.

    So that's still two thirds not contributed by me.

    And I repeat, this is not just about my moved thread.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    And now the thread has been moved to somewhere where it won't get lots of responses. :rolleyes: Sigh.


    NO don't think that it could get lots more responses. If left in AH it would have died anyway. :)


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,112 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tar.Aldarion


    And now the thread has been moved to somewhere where it won't get lots of responses. :rolleyes: Sigh.

    You are not allowed post a thread in AH to get more responses, a lot of the time people complain that their thread is moved for this very reason. Oh well nobody will post in it now, or I meant this thread to be in after hours and not here, close it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    So that's still two thirds not contributed by me.

    And I repeat, this is not just about my moved thread.

    the rest were mostly single posts, it became a thread with just you and one /two other people.

    There is PM for that.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,057 ✭✭✭TaraFoxglove


    Well, seemingly people are happy with the over-moderation. Good luck to them, I guess.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,057 ✭✭✭TaraFoxglove


    You are not allowed

    I see that phrase a lot on this site...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    It would seem you are the only one that has a problem with the mods.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,057 ✭✭✭TaraFoxglove


    hondasam wrote: »
    It would seem you are the only one that has a problem with the mods.

    Actually, if you read the thread, a couple of people agreed with me.

    Like I said, if people are happy with the stifling nature of the site, good luck to them, I guess.


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,112 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tar.Aldarion


    I see that phrase a lot on this site...

    Oh you are allowed post quite a bit here, with over 1,000,000 posts every 2 months. 99% of people will be happy. The rest have that digital yoke or wherever they want. As a site grows it can't have that lax an attitude to threads or everything is a mess.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,057 ✭✭✭TaraFoxglove


    Oh you are allowed post quite a bit here

    That's mighty generous of the mods to allow that. Imagine!


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,112 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tar.Aldarion


    toodles


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,339 ✭✭✭✭LoLth


    @OP:

    If you want to find out why a thread was moved/locked etc just PM any of the mods (politely!) and I'm sure that, if they didnt take the action themselves they'll ask their co-mod responsible to respond. Just be patient when waiting for a response, its very unlikely to be instant.

    as for being banned for having the opinion that there is over moderation. ehh, we're not *that* bad :) You are perfectly entitled to cirticise/disagree as long as you do so in a constructive manner. pretty much as you did in this thread. Its the posters that come on demanding and "shouting" and cursing everyone out of it that get the short end of the stick.

    As for your point about over moderation: I can see where you are getting this impression from. We are quite heavily moderated compared to some othe ronline forums. Some posters like this as it means the forum is as welcoming as posible for all users and not just the thick skinned or naturally loud ones :) . Most posters never even notice. they just post and read and never have any dealings with a moderator at all. If we were to ask mods not to mod, I can be almost certian that we would get complainst of X user posted Y thing, or Boards has gone downhill etc etc. We try to ensure that the rules are designed to allow posters to post constructively and that they will find boards a useful resource where they can find the information they want without having to wade through too much irrelevance.

    not all forums do this and thats their decision. if it works for them, great. The left for dead forums for example... I posted there about a year ago looking to discuss a game balance issue. after a page of "l2p" (learn to play) , "n00b" and some quite vitriolic and personal insults I gave up reading. It seems, to me, that unless you are a complete fanboi (L4D is bestest evar!) or a complete hater (this game is crap because it just is. there is no hope of it ever being good) you dont get any valid responses. To me, this is because of a lack of moderation and I havent bothered going back there since (note this was one example from a multiple of attempted discussions both by myself and by others on the forum). There are some good, informative posts there but the signal to noise ratio is just waaaay too low imho. I dont want to trawl through 10 pages of slagging just to see if someone happened to respond to a legitimate question. There are some posters (obviously) who love that atmosphere. I dont, I post here on boards.ie. Ultimately, its up to you to decide if boards is the place for you. if you think the moderation is OTT then (politely) point it out to the mod or co-mod or category mod of the relevant forum. You're not just entitled to, I'd actively encourage you to. if you feel you cant deal with moderators or dotn have the inclination to perhaps change your own expectations to meet those of the relevant boards sub community, then we wont take it amiss if you leave for more suitable shores :)

    One thing you wont ever get banned for is leaving constructive , thought out and well presented feedback , be it positive or negative.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    Given there are Currently Active Users of 4917 it is not surprising that you have one of two unhappy with things posting here.

    Personally I am unhappy that one of the sections I post in doesn't have more severe moderating to keep the trolls and muppets at bay. But I also recognise that I cannot have everything my own way.

    I think the formula works well here and is a compromise.

    Also remember that unlike US based sites this one has to confirm to the antiquated Irish laws on liable so is moderated with that in mind as well.

    If you put a little time into seeing how this site works then you will get more out of it. If you want it to change to your way of doing things you will be onto a loser considering it works well for a very large number of users.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,057 ✭✭✭TaraFoxglove


    There are far too many mods though, and I'm not sure I entirely agree that it always has to be constructive. Is every conversation you have in life completely constructive? Or are some just fun and light-hearted? And I do believe mods let their own feelings seep into their decisions too much.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,866 ✭✭✭Adam


    the site is the way it is, and has developed in to what it is over the last decade and some change. if you feel a particular case of moderation was unfair, report it. if you just don't like the way the site is, don't expect us to up and change everything for you.

    the vast majority enjoy the site. it can't please everyone. and obviously can't be better than digitalspy...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,057 ✭✭✭TaraFoxglove


    Adam wrote: »
    if you just don't like the way the site is, don't expect us to up and change everything for you.

    Now, did I say that? ;)

    And I bet there are many site members not happy with it, but feel they can't change it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    There are far too many mods though, and I'm not sure I entirely agree that it always has to be constructive. Is every conversation you have in life completely constructive? Or are some just fun and light-hearted? And I do believe mods let their own feelings seep into their decisions too much.

    Firstly I believe there are now over 400 forums on boards, hell there are forums for subjects that I didn't even know were subjects! Every forum has at least one or more mods so just because someone has a tag moderator on their profile doesn't automatically mean they are the moderator of the forum you are posting on. For example in AH there are 8 mods which is about right considering it is the busiest of the forums on boards (500+ users at the moment).

    I don't think that conversations in AH have to be constructive. Any chance you can link to the original thread that was moved? (apologies if I missed it!).

    Again as someone said if you feel that a mod is abusing their position and their decisions are being influenced unfairly by their beliefs report them? The main guys on this site are reasonable and if it is clear to them that something is amiss they do and have taken action.

    (just for clarity I am a former mod here!).


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,866 ✭✭✭Adam


    Now, did I say that? ;)

    And I bet there are many site members not happy with it, but feel they can't change it.
    did i say you said that?

    i don't understand your problem fully. you say the site is over-moderated, yet we have no examples of where you see this to be the case. so either it's not over-moderated, or it's just not moderated as lightly as other sites you frequent?

    i'm surprised you've had any run ins with mods tbh, you seem to understand how it all works well enough.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,057 ✭✭✭TaraFoxglove


    gandalf wrote: »

    I don't think that conversations in AH have to be constructive. Any chance you can link to the original thread that was moved? (apologies if I missed it!).

    Yes, here you go.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056162004

    It's a totally silly thread, but it's not a trolling thread. And it was moved to a completely random place. And I was miffed that the title was changed. That's seriously overstepping it, in my view. And someone here pointed out that I gave most of the responses. Well, I posted it pretty late!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    Now, did I say that? ;)

    And I bet there are many site members not happy with it, but feel they can't change it.

    I don't think this is fair tbh, none of us have to post in any forum we are not happy with. If people were so unhappy the would not be on here.

    You have had this one bad experience and you are trying to convince the rest of us that all the mods are unfair.

    we all have a bad day and things happen. move on.:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    Hmmm looks like a AH thread to me. Did the mod in question post in the thread saying why they moved it? (there are some things even I can't fathom doing and one is raking through a thread about that former MU monkeys latest squeeze!).


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,057 ✭✭✭TaraFoxglove


    hondasam wrote: »
    I don't think this is fair tbh, none of us have to post in any forum we are not happy with. If people were so unhappy the would not be on here.

    You have had this one bad experience and you are trying to convince the rest of us that all the mods are unfair.

    we all have a bad day and things happen. move on.:)

    I'm putting my view across, there is nothing wrong with that. Not saying anyone has to agree. Just saying some *might* agree.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,057 ✭✭✭TaraFoxglove


    gandalf wrote: »
    Hmmm looks like a AH thread to me. Did the mod in question post in the thread saying why they moved it? (there are some things even I can't fathom doing and one is raking through a thread about that former MU monkeys latest squeeze!).

    No, nothing. Thread moved, title changed, no post to say why. I have seen much more more pointless threads, to be honest.


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