A tax we could all agree on??

Greaney

I've been thinking about this for some time. Perhaps it's because I'm a Mum who had to sit in A&E for twelve hours with my son after he was assaulted for no reason, maybe because I'm shocked at getting threatened in a taxi rank at my age by a lad of about 19 just cos he was trying to pick fights with random young fella's and nearly hit me!!.... but....

Why not have, 'You were a drunken lout and wasted tax payers money, tax'???

Basicly, you pay a fine of say, about €300 (index linked of course, but about a weeks basic wage), if you've gotten so drunk you've ended up costing the tax payer. This would be because....

a) You had to be taken to task by the police because you were so drunk you were a danger to yerself or others.
b) Any time anyone says in court that they did ANYTHING due to drink, immediate fine.
c) You end up in A&E due to drinking too much (to the point putting yerself in danger)
d) You land another person in A&E due to being hammered (you assaulted them).

Basically, it's like a parking ticket, just issue thousands of them!!!. It is estimated that something like 80% of A&E admissions are due to drink.!! I've never read the figures for public order offences but I'm sure that's huge too.

Anyway, that'd be added automatically to any other fines/scentences you get in court as a matter of course. Sure it'd practically pay for the police force:rolleyes:

easyeason3

So you're talking about being fined for being drunk in a public place & causing trouble?
We could call it drunk & disorderly, throw them in the cells for the night & land them with a fine in the morning.

hondasam

The gardai do issue On The Spot Fines for public order offences.

I know one we could all agree on, the "non existent tax"

orourkeda

Dey took ur tax.

sollar

Its a good enough idea but what happens if your kinda drunk and got assaulted by someone on a night out and had to go to A & E. It would be pretty crap if you got your nose broken by a scumbag and then had to pay 300 to A & E for smelling of drink.

Something needs to be done though. I'd hate to have to go to A & E on a weekend night.

orourkeda

Greaney wrote: »

I've been thinking about this for some time. Perhaps it's because I'm a Mum who had to sit in A&E for twelve hours with my son after he was assaulted for no reason, maybe because I'm shocked at getting threatened in a taxi rank at my age by a lad of about 19 just cos he was trying to pick fights with random young fella's and nearly hit me!!.... but....

Why not have, 'You were a drunken lout and wasted tax payers money, tax'???

Basicly, you pay a fine of say, about €300 (index linked of course, but about a weeks basic wage), if you've gotten so drunk you've ended up costing the tax payer. This would be because....

a) You had to be taken to task by the police because you were so drunk you were a danger to yerself or others.
b) Any time anyone says in court that they did ANYTHING due to drink, immediate fine.
c) You end up in A&E due to drinking too much (to the point putting yerself in danger)
d) You land another person in A&E due to being hammered (you assaulted them).

Basically, it's like a parking ticket, just issue thousands of them!!!. It is estimated that something like 80% of A&E admissions are due to drink.!! I've never read the figures for public order offences but I'm sure that's huge too.

Anyway, that'd be added automatically to any other fines/scentences you get in court as a matter of course. Sure it'd practically pay for the police force:rolleyes:

The you'd have to do it for junkies too.

Kasabian

OP are you a member of the Green Party, their answer to everthing is also tax.

Ronin247

Being drunk is now an acceptable defence because the bleeding hearts and the pc brigade have jumped on board."Its not his fault he is a drunken lout it is society that caused him to become a drunk"

As it is paedophiles and drug dealers get suspended sentences so I cannot really see them enforcing a drunken assh*le rule.

Stinicker

A tax on politicians salaries of 99%, if we reformed the political system so it was ran a bit like a charity whereby people give to it and not benefit then it might get rid of half the Fianna Fail suckies who have sucked the state dry.

admiralofthefleet

a 1c tax on farts. we all do it, yes even ladies

superfish

I think we should just tell them they get off with it once but repeat offenders get a huge willy tattooed on their forehead it might stop it all together

mikemac

I've been to an A&E and it was full of junkies but of course they have medical cards and I do not.

So €300 to the HSE if you've drink taken but taxpayers support if you've abused yourself with drugs and have a medical card?

orourkeda

Isn't enough tax on alcohol taken each year

doopa

I'd like to see public order/civil fines like Drunk and Disorderly worked out as a percentage of your wage. They do it in switzerland for speeding fines for example. Suppose the question is would it result in more tax/income raised for Drunk and Disorderly etc.

easyeason3

admiralofthefleet wrote: »

a 1c tax on farts. we all do it, yes even ladies

WITHDRAW!!!!!

I'm a lady, a real one not Little Britains idea of a lady, & I can tell you I don't fart. Ever.

squod

Kasabian wrote: »

OP are you a member of the Green Party, their answer to everthing is also tax.

Too true.

orourkeda

f*ck this i'm going to the pub

Son Of A Vidic

admiralofthefleet wrote: »

a 1c tax on farts. we all do it, yes even ladies

I could not afford that ffs.

How about a 0% tax on everything for the next fiscal year, moving forward and front loaded into 2012. According to the best information that was available, to me at the time.

cruiser178

hondasam wrote: »

The gardai do issue On The Spot Fines for public order offences.

The glorified tax collectors gardai could lay off on all the unnecessary road traffic fines,it would also free up a lot of the courts time.

Kasabian

Mobile executions would be another answer.

If you attend A+E because of a drink related matter you are taken out ot the back of a truck, shot in the head and the invoice for the A+E vist, the bullet and the disposal of your body is sent to your next of kin. They have 30 days to pay up and if they don't the truck is sent round to collect..

superfish

easyeason3 wrote: »

WITHDRAW!!!!!

I'm a lady, a real one not Little Britains idea of a lady, & I can tell you I don't fart. Ever.

if thats true your not getting enough protein in your diet, hold them in too long and one day you may explode

Badgermonkey

Tax on loutish, inconsiderate, violent behaviour?

Increase VAT on slashooks

Victor Meldrew

I think Switzerland index links speeding fines to your income. We could learn from that.

for the Drunk and disorderly fine, I'd say, a weeks wages (or benefits) or a day's community service , if you can't afford the fine.

hondasam

cruiser178 wrote: »

The glorified tax collectors gardai could lay off on all the unnecessary road traffic fines,it would also free up a lot of the courts time.

I'm sorry but I don't get the point you are making.

NeedaNewName

easyeason3 wrote: »

WITHDRAW!!!!!

.

Can someone kindly link me to this whole "WITHDRAW" things originalities?

Mucho Gracias in advance'eos

veryangryman

Ladies trouser tax

This tax is lessened by the wearing of skirts. The shorter the skirt, the lesser the tax

Our nation is saved people! And even if not, there will be alot more legs to cheer us poor honest working folk up

Victor Meldrew

NeedaNewName wrote: »

Can someone kindly link me to this whole "WITHDRAW" things originalities?

Mucho Gracias in advance'eos

Late Late show last week....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOb4s3ETUQc

easyeason3

veryangryman wrote: »

Ladies trouser tax

This tax is lessened by the wearing of skirts. The shorter the skirt, the lesser the tax

Our nation is saved people! And even if not, there will be alot more legs to cheer us poor honest working folk up

Two words for you: Mary Harney.

Greaney

doopa wrote: »

I'd like to see public order/civil fines like Drunk and Disorderly worked out as a percentage of your wage. They do it in switzerland for speeding fines for example. Suppose the question is would it result in more tax/income raised for Drunk and Disorderly etc.

Thanks for that answer!!

Although I've had a good laugh at some of the answers I thought the idea wasn't too dreadful actually. I thought since honest law abiding folk were hurting in the pocket just for working.. what about shifting some cost to the one's who drink themselves so drunk they cost the taxpayer?

Terry

How about a vote losing increase on PAYE?

Nobody wants it, but it is quite clearly the best answer.

Cue the whining about the public sector and wah wah wah wah wah.
STFU, suck it up and realise that you live in a country that looks after the sick and unemployed.

superfish

veryangryman wrote: »

Ladies trouser tax

This tax is lessened by the wearing of skirts. The shorter the skirt, the lesser the tax

Our nation is saved people! And even if not, there will be alot more legs to cheer us poor honest working folk up

ireland has quite a high rate of obesity do you really want to see these kfc addicted ladies wit all that ass hanging out :eek:

Greaney

sollar wrote: »

Its a good enough idea but what happens if your kinda drunk and got assaulted by someone on a night out and had to go to A & E. It would be pretty crap if you got your nose broken by a scumbag and then had to pay 300 to A & E for smelling of drink.

Something needs to be done though. I'd hate to have to go to A & E on a weekend night.

I thought of that... if you're the victim of an assault you wouldn't be fined because you did not cause your A&E visit, another did.

As for drunk and disorderly, A&E can't issue those fines at present. What if they also, could charge you?. (Goodness!! I'm really thinking this one out:().

I guess it could cover junkies too.

Storminateacup

You pay enough tax in the price of drink, enough to cover any cost to the "tax payer" in fact, think of the revenue the governement gets from the drunks on the weekend? No harm in them claimin it back ie. stomach pumping now and then.

Screaminmidget

How about a Tax on ****e threads on the internet????

Greaney

feelingstressed wrote: »

I've been to an A&E and it was full of junkies but of course they have medical cards and I do not.

So €300 to the HSE if you've drink taken but taxpayers support if you've abused yourself with drugs and have a medical card?

You still pay if you've a medical card. Fines can be docked from your social welfare;)

Dj Stiggie

I was hospitalised by a bouncer who assaulted me on the first night I moved to Barcelona. My wallet was stolen along with my European Health Insurance Card. I woke up, dazed, confused and lost. I couldn't speak Spanish. The nice doctor couldn't speak English and I couldn't speak Spanish. When I got my report translated it said that I was knocked out due to a knock on the head, but didn't say what caused it. It was a bouncer who hit me.

The doctor let me go, there was no question of payment.

If that was to happen to a foreigner in Dublin they'd be charged €300 under your scheme.

Come to think of it, what would happen to someone like that in Dublin now, who woke up in hospital with no money or ID?

Greaney

I don't know if you've been in A&E much (I have a fair bit:() but folk who are in there due to being drunk/hammered can have sick all over them. They usually have bloodshot eyes and are incoherent. Some roar a lot and sing n' stuff, some need to sleep it off.

The nurses and doctors are very experienced. I know a few and I met one I knew (I teach her daughter) on the night my son was assaulted. They know the difference between an innocent lad who's been jumped on and a hammered trouble maker by a mile. Seriously, a lad with a few drinks on him who's been jumped on is quiet subdued.

superfish

Dj Stiggie wrote: »

I was hospitalised by a bouncer who assaulted me on the first night I moved to Barcelona. My wallet was stolen along with my European Health Insurance Card. I woke up, dazed, confused and lost. I couldn't speak Spanish.

could you speak spanish before he beat you up ?

Debthree

I'm really sorry to hear about your son. I hope he makes a full recovery. Being assaulted is a horrifying experience.

orourkeda

The hairy fanny tax

orourkeda

Storminateacup wrote: »

You pay enough tax in the price of drink, enough to cover any cost to the "tax payer" in fact, think of the revenue the governement gets from the drunks on the weekend? No harm in them claimin it back ie. stomach pumping now and then.

Indeed. Alcoholics are tax payers too.

mikemac

Greaney wrote: »

You still pay if you've a medical card. Fines can be docked from your social welfare;)

I can hear Fr Sean Healy screaming about the poorest and most vulnerable in our society already

cruiser178

hondasam wrote: »

I'm sorry but I don't get the point you are making.

Maybe its just a personal experence hondasam but ive seen to many summonses for,no tax,no tax displayed,no licence,when said person isn't carring licence with them,no insurance if somebody is a day late producing(everything is done by computer,few clicks of a button,they know it your insured/licence or not)no nct,no nct dispalyed,as i said glorified tax collectors.just my opinion

Dangerous Man

Thumb tax.

Hurricane-Dean

feelingstressed wrote: »

I've been to an A&E and it was full of junkies but of course they have medical cards and I do not.

So €300 to the HSE if you've drink taken but taxpayers support if you've abused yourself with drugs and have a medical card?

I have a medical card, but due to my parents separation and my mam works part time, does that make me a junkie??

wmpdd3

Hurricane-Dean wrote: »

I have a medical card, but due to my parents separation and my mam works part time, does that make me a junkie??

no your a junkie if you have to have your illigal drug of choice within 20mins of waking

Yakult

A tax on Cannabis!!

Of course If it was made legal and they set up cafe's etc.

I'd agree to that!

ilovesleep

A tax on FFs pockets would be great.

Fallschirmjager

we could try something really weird like not taxing people and giving it to politicians who skim, a civil service who skim, a health system that skims...and i dont know...let you keep your hard earned money and PAY for services you need when you need it.

just imagine 15 billion each year in the hands of 4 million people paying for healthcare they use...and a healthcare system that is built on what you need rather then what 15 layers of govt thinks you need and who use it as a wedge issue to get votes....

just sayin...


we could try that...


by the way...libertarian all the way....forget taxes...i think we can see the effect of those...how did that tax on all housing the govt took for the last years work out for you...??

LETHAL LADY

Greaney wrote: »

I thought of that... if you're the victim of an assault you wouldn't be fined because you did not cause your A&E visit, another did.

As for drunk and disorderly, A&E can't issue those fines at present. What if they also, could charge you?. (Goodness!! I'm really thinking this one out:().

I guess it could cover junkies too.

Sorry to hear about your son my brother spent 3 days in hospital due to an unprovoked assault but as for A&E issuing fines I would hope that the fines would be issued after menace has left hospital as A&E would be 10 times worse a place to visit if the admin were handing out fines to drunken idiots. As for general thuggery on the streets the problem in most places is lack of places to lock up these w**kers for example where I live in a town of about 8000 people there is 1 cell in the local garda station which obviously limits arrests that can be made in any one night. Perhaps we should build county jails to fit every idiot that acts up and upon release they pay massive fine I would hope smething like that would cop most people on.