Where is Enda ??

Fitzerb

Is Enda still alive or does he know that there is an election.

The handlers wont allow him near a TV station in case he puts his big foot into it.

FG are taking the Irish people for stupid.

if he has not got the "b*lls" to argue his point on TV then he aint the man to lead us to the promised land...... Christ the thought of Enda as Taoiseach......... Its really scary.

martic

If he is going to be our future leader he is probably away getting golfing lessons

Fitzerb

martic wrote: »

If he is going to be our future leader he is probably away getting golfing lessons

LOL. He would need the clubs cut to fit his size.... 3ft 5 inch

The Bull

He might be as well out of sight cause the Dublin media machine would be layin into him big time if he was all over the shop. The dubs just cant stomach the though of another culcie leader running the country. I have seen him on the six one news quite often. Anyway anything would be an improvment from this current shower, and dont get me started on JHR or ML and the Greens. get them all out and hire Donald Trump

supersean1999

Fitzerb wrote: »

LOL. He would need the clubs cut to fit his size.... 3ft 5 inch

you are obsessed, you just cant accept ff are screwed, will you just realise the man is not corrupt he is not a fraud, so that is prob the reason you dont like him, ps , your not funny . so stop trying :rolleyes:

Fitzerb

supersean1999 wrote: »

you are obsessed, you just cant accept ff are screwed, will you just realise the man is not corrupt he is not a fraud, so that is prob the reason you dont like him, ps , your not funny . so stop trying :rolleyes:

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Enda sure is no fraud. What you see if what you get.

"A Dope"

Dont forget to remind him of the date of election. he forgot it within 20 seconds of the announcement in the Dail.

paulaa

Anyone interested in politics would see him at least twice a week on Dail TV. He has given various interviews also. You're not paying attention

Liam Byrne

Fitzerb wrote: »

LOL. He would need the clubs cut to fit his size.... 3ft 5 inch

Didn't you previously start a thread objecting to people spouting lies in order to make people look bad?

And since Kenny obviously isn't 3 ft 5, isn't the above a little double-standards of you?

BTW, I would suggest avoiding going around making unfunny jokes about shorter people; I know one personally who's a million times better than I'll ever be.

Killer Pigeon

Fitzerb wrote: »

Is Enda still alive or does he know that there is an election.

The handlers wont allow him near a TV station in case he puts his big foot into it.

FG are taking the Irish people for stupid.

if he has not got the "b*lls" to argue his point on TV then he aint the man to lead us to the promised land...... Christ the thought of Enda as Taoiseach......... Its really scary.

I'm guessing Joan scared him off.

BlaasForRafa

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Didn't you previously start a thread objecting to people spouting lies in order to make people look bad?

And since Kenny obviously isn't 3 ft 5, isn't the above a little double-standards of you?

BTW, I would suggest avoiding going around making unfunny jokes about shorter people; I know one personally who's a million times better than I'll ever be.

Look, he's an FF troll, one of the glorious 8%. Considering the deceptions perpertrated by the FF party and their banker and developer cronies, this kind of thread is pretty pathetic stuff.

TheReverend

I really dont understand the hate for Enda, I wont be voting for FG but not because of him, but seriously, why the hate?

Fitzerb

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

Look, he's an FF troll, one of the glorious 8%. Considering the deceptions perpertrated by the FF party and their banker and developer cronies, this kind of thread is pretty pathetic stuff.

Thats not fair. Enda is not a troll

paulaa

Fitzerb wrote: »

Thats not fair. Enda is not a troll

LOL This childish nonsense coming from a supporter of a party whose candidates are now ashamed to put their party logo on their election posters

Fitzerb

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Didn't you previously start a thread objecting to people spouting lies in order to make people look bad?

And since Kenny obviously isn't 3 ft 5, isn't the above a little double-standards of you?

BTW, I would suggest avoiding going around making unfunny jokes about shorter people; I know one personally who's a million times better than I'll ever be.[/QUOTE

Do onto others as they onto you................ By the way I am always reluctant to report any post but lets not get personal here.

Just as you are entitled to have a dislike for FF I am entitled to have a dislike for others. Its called democracy.
Enda has now found out that spouting across the floor of the Dail is easy and playing to the angry masses is great. But look at the performance of FG on the Finance act. A blatant act of hypocrisy. FG "We dont agree with the bill, but to make sure we get into power and have the merc we will agree to "facilitate" the passing of the bill".
The next move from Enda when he has his Merc will be to blame FF on the cuts despite his opportunity now to kill the Finance bill.

By the way just on jokes , Will Enda need a cushion in the back seat of the Merc to see out.

starbelgrade

I really don't understand the thinking behind the new Fine Gael website. They have removed all the information on their policies & replaced them with a video & two pages where you can leave "suggestions" for Fine Gael on how they can run the country & what they can do to earn voter support.

Well, here's an idea - let us know your policies & then we will decide whether or not we want to support them.

And the last thing I want is to download a FG election poster to my phone, Twitter or Facebook (esp. as I don't even have Twitter or Facebook).




:eek:

meditraitor

Enda's not as stupid as some make him out to be, he knows he has to keep a low profile to become taoisach, and as leader of FG thats really all he has ever wanted.

jmayo

Fitzerb wrote: »

Is Enda still alive or does he know that there is an election.

The handlers wont allow him near a TV station in case he puts his big foot into it.

FG are taking the Irish people for stupid.

if he has not got the "b*lls" to argue his point on TV then he aint the man to lead us to the promised land...... Christ the thought of Enda as Taoiseach......... Its really scary.

If FG are taking the Irish people for stupid, it might be because they see people like you who are willing to back the current incumbent muppets.

Yeah it must be scary since you won't have one of your men in slipping backhanders, jobs for the jobs, etc to the party faithful.

Morebypasses

Kenny is not up to the job. If he was he would be on TV/Radio every second hour. Could only happen in Ireland that we are about to choose him as leader of the state. And no amount of blaming FF for the past ten years will make electing that Muppet right. Surely there is someone better in FG.

ISAW

meditraitor wrote: »

Enda's not as stupid as some make him out to be, he knows he has to keep a low profile to become taoisach, and as leader of FG thats really all he has ever wanted.

Ironically you are stating that he wanted the leadership of FG in order to become Taoiseach. Yet what about the criticism of Cowan wanting to be FF leader so he could be Taoiseach? i really think the strategy of "we are not FF" is not good enough for the long term. I also believe that personality image and charisma should not be the prime requisite for leading but if Cowan lacked something he had it in spades compared to Enda and look at what the media did to Cowan. I think the media will have a circus following the general election and sadly for Enda they will focus on personality rather than policy. I agree that Enda must consciously be avoiding the spotlight but he will have to walk into it eventually and the media snipers will be waiting for when he is all lit up as a target.

ISAW

Morebypasses wrote: »

Kenny is not up to the job. If he was he would be on TV/Radio every second hour. Could only happen in Ireland that we are about to choose him as leader of the state. And no amount of blaming FF for the past ten years will make electing that Muppet right. Surely there is someone better in FG.

You will have to remember Bertie was almost never in the Media under pressure. Sure there were plenty of images of him having a pint with the lads or opening a school or whatever but hardly ever confronted by someone doorstepping him. Given that if and when it did happen Bertie handled it well and Enda probably does not have that ability.

Also Bertie had the good times so he didn't have to face what Enda will have to face.

But you are right as i have stated - "blame FF" is a limited short term strategy. FG can only use it up to the election. After that they can still point the finger but they will have to say what they are going to do and then actually do something. They obviously need a communicator who can get that across but that doesn't have to be the Taoiseach.

meditraitor

ISAW wrote: »

Ironically you are stating that he wanted the leadership of FG in order to become Taoiseach. Yet what about the criticism of Cowan wanting to be FF leader so he could be Taoiseach? i really think the strategy of "we are not FF" is not good enough for the long term. I also believe that personality image and charisma should not be the prime requisite for leading but if Cowan lacked something he had it in spades compared to Enda and look at what the media did to Cowan. I think the media will have a circus following the general election and sadly for Enda they will focus on personality rather than policy. I agree that Enda must consciously be avoiding the spotlight but he will have to walk into it eventually and the media snipers will be waiting for when he is all lit up as a target.

I was sort of thinking the same myself, once he pops his head above water he will start loosing votes for FG but the longer he can stay under the bigger the lead will be for FG and maybe, just mabe that will be enough.

Personally Im looking forward to the Leaders debates and strangely I think it could easily go both ways for Enda, on a good day he could pull it of.

dicknorris

When enda becomes taoiseach in a couple of weeks time, how long do you think he will get before the media/press have there knives out for him looking for blood :rolleyes:

martic

He's in his seat now so panic over . I for one can't for the love of myself understand why any body would want to be Taoiseach in the next Government surely its political suicide but I suppose someone has to be the lamb.

meditraitor

martic wrote: »

He's in his seat now so panic over . I for one can't for the love of myself understand why any body would want to be Taoiseach in the next Government surely its political suicide but I suppose someone has to be the lamb.

Political suicide, thats a mad idea! becoming taoisach is as good as it gets.... for a politician anyway, so not really political suicide.

martic

Let me explain, say Enda gets to become the next Taoiseach promising big changes economic stability,more jobs,less emigration,better health services education and all the usual promises of an incoming government and after a period in office there is no change to anything,the media goes mad, the people go mad then the back bencher and a few front bencher's start to question his ability and call a no confidence motion again,he gets relieved of his post and his political legacy is in tatters as being the leader who failed,in other words political suicide. I'm using Enda kenny as an example the same post can be used to who ever takes the title of Taoiseach in the new government.

Pete_Cavan

At least FG have a number of people who can do interviews. SF seem to only have Pierce Doherty and all he did last night was highlight what a farce his parties economics policy really is. At least FG and Labour have a few people who can hold their own in front of a camera. FF dont have much choice, it is just a case of whoever is left can do the interview.

I also think it is import to remember that we are voting for a government, not a Taoiseach, the party leader does not automatically become Taoiseach, as Biffo is demonstrating atm. How many people here voted for "Bertie's team", voting in incompetent, corrupt fools because Bertie was on the poster and look at the mess they made. The real tragidy of the Celtic Tiger and bubble bursting would be not learning from our mistakes.

Liam Byrne

Fitzerb wrote: »

Do onto others as they onto you................ By the way I am always reluctant to report any post but lets not get personal here.

I didn't get even remotely personal and have no intention of doing so.

I simply pointed out a glaring inconsistency and a sneery comment re someone's height that - if it were said about other physical attributes - would be worthy of Andy Gray.

But let's allow for that, considering what passes for political discourse in this country (John O'Donoghue's bull**** revenge speech coming to mind)

What difference WOULD it actually make if Kenny couldn't see out of the merc? Would it make him a worse Taoiseach than Ahern or Cowen?

What is the punchline of this "joke" ?

fliball123

I think Kenny's approach is a good one FG's mandate on what they are bringing to the table. They have been up front saying their needs to be cuts in the P.S which is blindly obvious to everyone but no other party will say it and why do interviews when the likes of Moan Buron for Labour is doing untold damage to their party. Did anyone see her on Vinny B...she was like a screaming banshee and I have never wanted to kick the head off someone so much...But being a gentleman I would never hit a lady...even if she is in drag

Pete_Cavan

martic wrote: »

Let me explain, say Enda gets to become the next Taoiseach promising big changes economic stability,more jobs,less emigration,better health services education and all the usual promises of an incoming government and after a period in office there is no change to anything,the media goes mad, the people go mad then the back bencher and a few front bencher's start to question his ability and call a no confidence motion again,he gets relieved of his post and his political legacy is in tatters as being the leader who failed,in other words political suicide. I'm using Enda kenny as an example the same post can be used to who ever takes the title of Taoiseach in the new government.

FG have put forward proposals on how they would achieve all this (Reinventing Government, NewEra, FreeCare) so it is not just a case of Enda doing whatever he feels like doing. As I alluded to in my earlier post, the reason we get crap governments is because we vote for candidates based on irrelevant issues (eg I dont like Enda so I wont vote for a FG candidate). If we vote based on policies and what the party intends to do in power than we would have stronger governments. Of course that would mean the electorate would have to take responsibility for who they elect which no one wants, much easier to say "Well if I hadda known they'd do that I wouldn't have voted for them". It is very easy to know what they will do, READ THEIR POLICIES!

ISAW

martic wrote: »

Let me explain, say Enda gets to become the next Taoiseach promising big changes economic stability,more jobs,less emigration,better health services education and all the usual promises of an incoming government and after a period in office there is no change to anything,the media goes mad, the people go mad then the back bencher and a few front bencher's start to question his ability and call a no confidence motion again,he gets relieved of his post and his political legacy is in tatters as being the leader who failed,in other words political suicide. I'm using Enda kenny as an example the same post can be used to who ever takes the title of Taoiseach in the new government.

Rater fatalistic. For all their faults I can't see anything really wrong in the FF economic strategy as agreed with the EU and IMF. i think FG have the same baisc economic plan. Sure they can fiddle with the mechanism but the cuts plus tax targets will be the same. Labout will try to tax more and cut less and IMO this will stifle growth. FG will do basically what FF were going to do. Given two thirds of the burden came in the budget they have five years to bring in the other third. I cant believe the economy will be that bad. In fact the economy is healthy but needs restructuring e.g. fire ...ahem "lay off" some currently unaccountable people. It is only the debt burden is the problem. It can't get any worse. If it is they can blame the last lot anyway. If it isn't they cantake all the credit for bringing in the FF/IMF plan. Custhy! But the will still have to actually implement cuts and tax increases which they didn't mention before getting elected. Labour in particular.

ISAW

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

FG have put forward proposals on how they would achieve all this ... It is very easy to know what they will do, READ THEIR POLICIES!

Which policies say how much they will cut and which say how much they will increase tax?
And WHERE are the policies?

listermint

ISAW wrote: »

Which policies say how much they will cut and which say how much they will increase tax?
And WHERE are the policies?

He obviously seen them before they took them down from the website and started asking the regular joe soap for hints and tips on running a government....

Oasis_Dublin

Fitzerb wrote: »

Is Enda still alive or does he know that there is an election.

The handlers wont allow him near a TV station in case he puts his big foot into it.

FG are taking the Irish people for stupid.

if he has not got the "b*lls" to argue his point on TV then he aint the man to lead us to the promised land...... Christ the thought of Enda as Taoiseach......... Its really scary.

He's in the same place as Gilmore.

Oasis_Dublin

listermint wrote: »

He obviously seen them before they took them down from the website and started asking the regular joe soap for hints and tips on running a government....

I agree, curse those damn blueshirts, attempting to get the people involved in politics. That's not what democracy is about, its about... oh no wait, that's exactly what democracy is about!:rolleyes:

Pete_Cavan

ISAW wrote: »

Which policies say how much they will cut and which say how much they will increase tax?
And WHERE are the policies?

http://research.finegael.org/

paulaa

Morebypasses wrote: »

Kenny is not up to the job. If he was he would be on TV/Radio every second hour. Could only happen in Ireland that we are about to choose him as leader of the state. And no amount of blaming FF for the past ten years will make electing that Muppet right. Surely there is someone better in FG.

Like Cowen was for the last few years :rolleyes:

It's only when it came to party business that he came out of his bunker

paulaa

martic wrote: »

Let me explain, say Enda gets to become the next Taoiseach promising big changes economic stability,more jobs,less emigration,better health services education and all the usual promises of an incoming government and after a period in office there is no change to anything,the media goes mad, the people go mad then the back bencher and a few front bencher's start to question his ability and call a no confidence motion again,he gets relieved of his post and his political legacy is in tatters as being the leader who failed,in other words political suicide. I'm using Enda kenny as an example the same post can be used to who ever takes the title of Taoiseach in the new government.

The thing is Kenny and FG are not making promises they know they can't keep. We got so used to FF promising us all kind of goodies and basically buying votes that we expect ALL parties to be the same.

petroltimer

i think Kenny could be a very good leader, don't forget as PM he basically is a manager, its up to his cabinet to do the jobs leaving enda to to be a statesman, first job is march 17 in Washington to show america and the world that Ireland no longer has a buffoon in charge.:)

The Volt

This was in the Guardian today.

Old news I know but bad timing for Enda

meditraitor

Voltwad wrote: »

This was in the Guardian today.

Old news I know but bad timing for Enda

I think he is a bit of a twat and FG are not exactly my cup of tea but this is plan idiotic. He told that joke 10 years ago........

The Volt

meditraitor wrote: »

I think he is a bit of a twat and FG are not exactly my cup of tea but this is plan idiotic. He told that joke 10 years ago........

A leader of a major political party should never make such remarks. Couple this with Varadkar's pledge to pay immigrants to leave Ireland. Fine Gael bear all the hallmarks of a Tory party

ISAW

listermint wrote: »

He obviously seen them before they took them down from the website and started asking the regular joe soap for hints and tips on running a government....

Happily there are archives of the internet

Here is the 2007 manifesto:
http://web.archive.org/web/20071122044748/www.finegael.ie/news/documents/FG_Manifesto_07.pdf

TAX REFORM FOR ECONOMIC AND SOCIAL PROGRESS
A More Progressive and Family Friendly Income Tax Code
• We will cut the standard rate of tax by 2% from 20% to 18%.
• We will index personal credits and bands to earnings.
• We will increase the home carers credit to the level of the PAYE credit.
• We will increase by a further €5,000 the point where one-income married couples hit the top rate of tax.
A Fairer Stamp Duty Regime
• We will abolish stamp duty for first time buyers up to €450,000.
• We will restructure the stamp duty system for others buyers as follows:
• No stamp duty up to €100,000.
• On the next €350,000 a 5% rate will apply.
• On the balance a 9% rate will apply.
A Supportive Environment for Employment and Exports
• We will not change the current rates of Corporation Tax.
• We will not change the current rates of Capital Gains Tax.
• We will make sure that charges by state bodies are capped at the rate of inflation.

meditraitor

Voltwad wrote: »

A leader of a major political party should never make such remarks. Couple this with Varadkar's pledge to pay immigrants to leave Ireland. Fine Gael bear all the hallmarks of a Tory party

Why not? it was a joke which was more simple than racist. I do agree with the FG / Tory comparison though.

Teclo

I'm sure there's some sweating already in Blueshirtland over the debate v Micheál Martin. Enda isn't getting better with age and experience...

meditraitor

Teclo wrote: »

I'm sure there's some sweating already in Blueshirtland over the debate v Micheál Martin. Enda isn't getting better with age and experience...

My mother could wipe the floor with Micheal Martin, FG should be delighted.

ISAW

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

http://research.finegael.org/

Thanks for that.

Here is how humphrey appelby hoodwinks FG

Page 15 of the FG Document "reinventing government"
Section H : Politics Taking the Lead
FG say

We will set a salary cap of €200,000 across politics and the public sector.
• The pay reductions for the 650 most senior public servants recommended by
the Review Body on Higher Remuneration in 2009 – will be implemented.

horray

now look at the actual higher pay review
http://www.reviewbody.gov.ie/Documents/Report%2044.pdf

Page 5 - Recommendations
let us take the example of a Secretary general
the page has university heads and other top civil servants

Secretary General, Level I 300,358
cut to 255,304
a reduction of 45,054 (-15%)

Looks good . But loot at what they were actually getting in 2004

http://finance.irlgov.ie/viewdoc.asp?DocID=2713

Circular 33/2004 - Appendix 1A

Revised pay with effect from 1 December 2004 for General Service Grades.

SECRETARY GENERAL

€168,686

Now
1. They will be getting more than 55,000 above the 200,000 limit that FG promise but
2. Even after a 15 per cent pay cut they will still be getting 83,000 more than they were getting in 2004

Yet the rest of us are told the spending is being reduced!

Killer Pigeon

I don't like this new hip and groovy, Obama imitating, down with the cool cats persona that Enda and the Blueshirts are putting on. It's so false. And where the hell are their policies? :P

BostonB

Seems to me like FG stopped bothering now they think they are going to walk in. They've had a low profile for ages. Last 10yrs or so.

femur61

If the televised debates go ahead what will Enda do since he seems to have become so camera shy.

Retail Hell

Fitzerb wrote: »

Is Enda still alive or does he know that there is an election.

The handlers wont allow him near a TV station in case he puts his big foot into it.

FG are taking the Irish people for stupid.

if he has not got the "b*lls" to argue his point on TV then he aint the man to lead us to the promised land...... Christ the thought of Enda as Taoiseach......... Its really scary.

Foot In Mouth Disease, they are so afraid he'll put his foot in his mouth.

lightspeed

ISAW wrote: »

Ironically you are stating that he wanted the leadership of FG in order to become Taoiseach. Yet what about the criticism of Cowan wanting to be FF leader so he could be Taoiseach? i really think the strategy of "we are not FF" is not good enough for the long term. I also believe that personality image and charisma should not be the prime requisite for leading but if Cowan lacked something he had it in spades compared to Enda and look at what the media did to Cowan. I think the media will have a circus following the general election and sadly for Enda they will focus on personality rather than policy. I agree that Enda must consciously be avoiding the spotlight but he will have to walk into it eventually and the media snipers will be waiting for when he is all lit up as a target.

Right if we are going to blame the media for brian cowens fall from grace can we either outline what lies they told or make all media state controlled like a military dictatorship otherwise u have to come to terms that the media just reported the facts and hes responsible for his own actions and the partys terrible performance in government. iF a politician is qualified for the position or has nothing to hide why should they ever dodge the media? It was the medias fault when brian cowen lied about the IMF deal just days before it went ahead, it wasnt the medias fault when they mishandled the budgets throught the past few years, It seemd everybody supports free speech when the spoken words agree with theri argument and a bias opinion is an irrelavant opinion.