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Could someone please explain the Sinn Fein / ULA "no cuts" solution?

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    #32
    ei.sdraob
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,376 ✭✭✭ei.sdraob


    LeixlipRed wrote: »
    You might want to have a google about George Orwell's political ideology. Begins with S and ends with ocialist ;)

    Uhm where did you get the idea that I don't know his background :confused:


    LeixlipRed wrote: »
    Everyone.

    Direct democracy or something else?


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    #33
    LeixlipRed
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    Because you're using those comments, which sounds to me like a criticism of the rise of capitalism, against the movement. Anyway, doesn't matter.

    Direct democracy, workers councils, right of instant recall, etc, etc,. None of this stuff is new.


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    #34
    jimmycrackcorm
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    LeixlipRed wrote: »
    Why should any working class person suffer for the mistakes of financial speculators? They shouldn't, it's morally wrong.

    Why should any working class person suffer from crime? It's also morally wrong but we have to deal with the situation as it is.

    The fact is that our society only functions with a working bank system so it is next to impossible to divorce the part that includes financial speculation gone awry.


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    #35
    rokossovsky
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    LeixlipRed wrote: »
    Ah, come on, I'm not that naive, the only way socialism would work is if there was a Europe wide revolution. Socialism cannot exist in isolation as we seen with the collapse of the original revolution in Russia in the early 20s. If the revolution had spread to Germany maybe Stalin wouldn't have been able to divert the course of the movement into something quite different than from what was intended. A revolution in Ireland in isolation would be pointless.

    Trotskyite wet dream - it'll never happen. And most socialist revolutions have ended miserably with the workers betrayed by party apparatchiks with their noses in the trough (just like the capitalist ones) and eventually voting with their feet and heading west. Were any posters here around for the events of 1989? World wide socialist revolution never happened in revolutionary epochs of 1840s, or 1920's - they wont happen now.


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    #36
    shadowninty
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    communism has too much issues to work, ESP in a developed country
    communism is a strong medicine, like chaemo that is often the only way for a country where the vast majority live in awful poverty, to become a country that is someway developed
    think of countries like Russia or China
    of course it stops working relatively quickly, leading to captilist reform (China) or implosion (USSR)
    perhaps some countries in Africa could do with communism, that might not be so bad a thing if it wasn't for the loss of life it would entail

    but there is no EU country that communism would be anyway good for


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    #37
    shadowninty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,654 ✭✭✭shadowninty


    LeixlipRed wrote: »
    Ah, come on, I'm not that naive, the only way socialism would work is if there was a Europe wide revolution. Socialism cannot exist in isolation as we seen with the collapse of the original revolution in Russia in the early 20s. If the revolution had spread to Germany maybe Stalin wouldn't have been able to divert the course of the movement into something quite different than from what was intended. A revolution in Ireland in isolation would be pointless.

    while I am far from a proponent of communism, this post sums up my thoughts


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