Hygeine Hysteria

RussellTuring

Just saw this ad on TV. These ads make it look like there are bacteria out there with a personal agenda of killing your kids and emptying your pension fund. There are some parents who try to protect their kids from every kind of microbe and end up leaving them with immune systems that have never had a chance to build up proper defences. My question is, are these companies causing the fear, or are they just exploiting something that's already there?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcgpdI_2cko


Also, so what if they are dirty? You're going to wash your hands anyway!

endurodave

the mind boggles, but hey people will but anything once you call it a revolution

The companies both create and exploit the fear. There is strong epidemiological evidence to suggest a link between over sanitisation of a child's environment and the development of allergys later in life. It's known as the "hygeine hypothesis".

RussellTuring

Deleted User wrote: »

The companies both create and exploit the fear. There is strong epidemiological evidence to suggest a link between over sanitisation of a child's environment and the development of allergys later in life. It's known as the "hygeine hypothesis".

I know of it. That's one of the reasons I have such a problem with parents being so over-protective. Kids are supposed to get dirty.

Turtyturd

The companies exploit parents biggest fear, the thought of something happening the their kids.

My OH and I clash over stuff like this all the time...she is from the school of thought that 'everything has germs and is a risk to our son and if he sneezes I am bringing him to the doctor'. I am more of a ' in primary school 5 of us contributed 10p each for another kid to eat a piece of white dog sh*t and a piece of brown dog sh*t and he is fine' type of guy...I like to think we find a nice middle ground.

That thing is possibly the most retarded thing I've ever seen. Yes, there are bacteria all over a soap pump (and everywhere else too) but you're going to be washing your hands immediately after touching it!

They really need to stop peddling this ridiculous notion that all bacteria are evil and out to get you. There are more bacteria living in your mouth than all people that have ever lived combined.

jackie1974

I do think people have went way overboard with disinfecting and yea that is probably because of scaremongering. Anti bacterial soap, anti bacterial, wipes, anti bacterial sprays etc.. We can't live in a disinfected bubble, the world is full of germs that have always been around. As long as we're not living in a germ ridden dive our bodies will build up immunity to the germs it's regularly exposed to. I'm on a few parenting forums with alot of American mothers that take the disinfecting to whole new levels. I mean you can disinfect your own house but everywhere else is outside of your control, what are you going to do wrap your child in cotton wool? And whats the point in ridding your house of every concievable germ then putting the kid in the garden where it's going to suck on the edge of the slide your dog has been sitting against. Just doesn't make sense to me.

RussellTuring

One of the funniest is that which informs of bacteria that can live in lava (which is not entirely true). Yeah. And they'd die in your bloody kitchen!

gcgirl

Being over clean can really damage a Childs immune system they should be exposed to muck or what ever, that's what happened Henry the 8th son his immune system was **** because since he was a baby his whole house was scrubbed he died in his teenage yrs.

epgc3fyqirnbsx

We're breeding a generation of weaklings

Why is it that if you put a 1 year old on the ground it will grab everything around it and shove it in its mouth? It's to familiarise its nody and immune system with the natural enviroment
Parents are now depriving them of these vital experiences and as a result they are weak and liable to a lot more sickness going through school


wrecks my feckin head

Wibbs

Tommy Tart Girl wrote: »

We're breeding a generation of weaklings

Why is it that if you put a 1 year old on the ground it will grab everything around it and shove it in its mouth? It's to familiarise its nody and immune system with the natural enviroment
Parents are now depriving them of these vital experiences and as a result they are weak and liable to a lot more sickness going through school


wrecks my feckin head

Yep and a good reason why every second person has an inhaler and a list of things they can't eat, touch, see or hear about or they'll go into shock man, shoooock. Tis redic. Its not the people themselves, it was their parents(and grandparents for the real young hereabouts) who bought into the old "oooh its got bacteria you know. KILLLLL them!!!!" and you can well understand it as they were being bombarded with it.

I avoided it completely by accident. My dad was way older than my mam, so while she was doing the "ohh throw on the dettol" my dad was throwing me head first into cowpats and insisting I ate the slice of toast that just landed on the floor. Butter side down. Hence Ive had an antibiotic once in my life and no allergies that I know of. I do feel a tad queasy when I eat soya, but thats not allergy, that's cos it tastes like shíte(to me).

cassid

That add is a bit OTT, just a new product they want to sell and are using fear to sell it.

RussellTuring wrote: »

Just saw this ad on TV. These ads make it look like there are bacteria out there with a personal agenda of killing your kids and emptying your pension fund. There are some parents who try to protect their kids from every kind of microbe and end up leaving them with immune systems that have never had a chance to build up proper defences. My question is, are these companies causing the fear, or are they just exploiting something that's already there?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcgpdI_2cko


Also, so what if they are dirty? You're going to wash your hands anyway!

sligopark

why not check out the likes of chiropractic and the spanish flu and then decide

MadameGascar

Everyone that I know who didn't have a pet as a child is now allergic to animals, and all my friends who have grown up in households where the mothers have been obsessed with 'hygiene' are also unnecessarily obsessed with this. Even more, they pick up illness easier (eg. more likely to get infections).

I can't help but laugh at people who carry around disinfectant, and then they look at me like I'm crazy!

I have a very strong immune system from all those years of being flung into the slurry pits as a child.

A bit of dirt is good for ya. :pac:

RussellTuring

sligopark wrote: »

why not check out the likes of chiropractic and the spanish flu and then decide

Elaborate please...

sligopark

RussellTuring wrote: »

Elaborate please...

google my friend - its not science and please c0cks section

jackie1974

I disinfect after using raw meat, thats it, all other germs allowed. I just use vinegar in warm water for most cleaning. Did you know also that kids picking their nose and eating their gatherings is supposed to strenghten the immune system according to a swiss lung specialist, apparently small amounts of bacteria and viruses get trapped in nasal mucous and by putting them back into the body it gets a chance to build up immunity. Yuck I draw the line there though :pac:

RussellTuring

sligopark wrote: »

google my friend - its not science and please c0cks section

That made no sense.

sligopark

RussellTuring wrote: »

That made no sense.

http://www.google.ie/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=chiropractic+spanish+flu+&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=

RussellTuring

Oh so you're saying chiropractic can cure the Spanish 'Flu? I politely asked you to explain what you meant since I didn't get what you said first time. Would it have been so hard to just say that? And I find it strange that people actually believe in this quackery.

Birdie086

Deleted User wrote: »

That thing is possibly the most retarded thing I've ever seen. Yes, there are bacteria all over a soap pump (and everywhere else too) but you're going to be washing your hands immediately after touching it!


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Tried to expain this to my partner the other day but they didnt get it

timewilltell

I was raised in a household in which there was a house dog. He never did me any harm anyways...and I'm sure we could be lead to believe he would be an evil bacteria carrier!

I find nowadays kids are WAAY too 'mammmied'. My cousin washes her 5 year old daughter every day... don't get me wrong I know they get dirty.. but hey presto the child now has dry scalp and skin.

sligopark

RussellTuring wrote: »

Oh so you're saying chiropractic can cure the Spanish 'Flu? I politely asked you to explain what you meant since I didn't get what you said first time. Would it have been so hard to just say that? And I find it strange that people actually believe in this quackery.

I didn't say it cured anything more than wiping your hands I was inviting you to read it before denouncing it anymore quack quack than wiping your hands - but your mind is mdae up so head to science or conspiracy - or read a link - quack quack

Wibbs

Given that spanish flu kicked off in 1918, that's some claim alright. Funny thing is, if a real bad fcuked up flu virus does come a calling, the best thing to be is not some vigorous gym bunny, macrobiotic superman/woman. That's what flus like that kill stone dead. For the most part, it's not the virus, it's your immune system response to it that'll kill you.

When spanish flu hit, there were isolated villages that were left alone for the duration and who was left when the world reconnected? The very old and the very young and the normally unhealthy. The one's with marginal immune systems basically. So if there's ever a swine/monkey/avian/martian/saurian flu pandemic, ease off the gym, drink and smoke, eat crap and be old.

RussellTuring

sligopark wrote: »

I didn't say it cured anything more than wiping your hands I was inviting you to read it before denouncing it anymore quack quack than wiping your hands - but your mind is mdae up so head to science or conspiracy - or read a link - quack quack

I really don't know why you brought up chiropractic in a thread on the methods of advertising disinfectants and parents' attitudes towards hygiene. I have read up on chiropractic and it's pseudoscientific nonsense. The websites in the Google search obviously have a pro-chiropractic agenda (the first few anyway) and think that the whole medical establishment has a grudge against them. What's that you were saying about conspiracy?

sligopark

RussellTuring wrote: »

I really don't know why you brought up chiropractic in a thread on the methods of advertising disinfectants and parents' attitudes towards hygiene.

perhaps because disinfectants has been proven to be bullsh1te against the flu??????

and tossers like you have been trying to scare folk like me and those I work with into useless vaccines with their side effects?

Thomas828

Here's a fine set of photos to counteract all this paranoia about germs and bacteria. It's an annual event in Scottsdale, Arizona, the same country where all these hygiene mavens come from.

www.pbase.com/qleap/mud

RussellTuring

sligopark wrote: »

perhaps because disinfectants has been proven to be bullsh1te against the flu??????

and tossers like you have been trying to scare folk like me and those I work with into useless vaccines with their side effects?

Calling me a tosser invalidates any kind of credibility you could have salvaged out of this. End of argument.

sligopark

RussellTuring wrote: »

Calling me a tosser invalidates any kind of credibility you could have salvaged out of this. End of argument.

you're right you are not a tosser - now argue your point please

AlmightyCushion

sligopark wrote: »

perhaps because disinfectants has been proven to be bullsh1te against the flu??????

and tossers like you have been trying to scare folk like me and those I work with into useless vaccines with their side effects?

Banned for abuse.

Dravokivich

Wibbs wrote: »

Given that spanish flu kicked off in 1918, that's some claim alright. Funny thing is, if a real bad fcuked up flu virus does come a calling, the best thing to be is not some vigorous gym bunny, macrobiotic superman/woman. That's what flus like that kill stone dead. For the most part, it's not the virus, it's your immune system response to it that'll kill you.

When spanish flu hit, there were isolated villages that were left alone for the duration and who was left when the world reconnected? The very old and the very young and the normally unhealthy. The one's with marginal immune systems basically. So if there's ever a swine/monkey/avian/martian/saurian flu pandemic, ease off the gym, drink and smoke, eat crap and be old.

Yeah... that's something I've noticed about a lot of people who get sick... they go out and do stuff...

Whenever I'm sick (which in itself is rare), I don't do a fúcking thing.

more so back to the discussion in hand...

I'm also not to convinced on the overly clean while dealing with food... sure, don't put anything, anywhere near where you've prepped raw meat... But you don't really need to worry all that much about the meat itself as long as you're going to thoroughly cook it.

And what, per chance keeps yer dishes immaculately clean in the presses after they've been run through the dishwasher?