Paddy Martin Randonee 2011

Muller_1

The annual Paddy Martin Randonee will take place on February 20th from Bray Wheelers clubhouse. Sign-on at 9am and start 10am. Distances of 100km or 80km with refreshments on route and at the finish. All welcome!

Further details to follow on http://www.braywheelers.com

fat bloke

Thanks for the heads up. Hope to get down for it meself.

xz

Actual routes have not been confirmed yet due to the condition of a lot of the roads in Wicklow, But keep an eye on Bray Wheelers website, and I will post here as soon as I find out the routes;)

Bikerbhoy

Excellent ..Cant wait

g0g

I only did one cycling "event " last year and it was the second Bray Wheelers event later in the season. That was so good that I'll defo be trying to make this one!

Are you guys BW members by any chance? Are new members able to join around now? Are cycling clubs the kind of places you need to get recommended by other people before you can join? Also is it expensive?

xz

g0g wrote: »

I only did one cycling "event " last year and it was the second Bray Wheelers event later in the season. That was so good that I'll defo be trying to make this one!

Are you guys BW members by any chance? Are new members able to join around now? Are cycling clubs the kind of places you need to get recommended by other people before you can join? Also is it expensive?

Yes new members are able to join right now, it is €50 for the year if you want to take part in Club races, €40 for Leisure members, you will also need to apply for a Cycling Ireland license which is €55 for a club competition license and €20 for a non competition license, however if you want to take part in open races, i.e A4, A3 etc the license fee is €85 for restricted competitions or €120 for full competition all detail on the above here :http://www.braywheelers.com/downloads/Joining_BWCC.pdf

You could also come out for a spin or 2 with us at weekends to make your mind up, we normally meet at the top of the flyover bridge in Kilmacanogue every Sat and Sun, for a 10am departure, thats those of us in the south Dublin/Bray area, we also meet up with other members along the way on the main N11, i.e,those from Kilcoole, Greystones, Newcastle, Newtownmountkennedy areas

g0g

xz wrote: »

Yes new members are able to join right now, it is €50 for the year if you want to take part in Club races, €40 for Leisure members, you will also need to apply for a Cycling Ireland license which is €55 for a club competition license and €20 for a non competition license, however if you want to take part in open races, i.e A4, A3 etc the license fee is €85 for restricted competitions or €120 for full competition all detail on the above here :http://www.braywheelers.com/downloads/Joining_BWCC.pdf

You could also come out for a spin or 2 with us at weekends to make your mind up, we normally meet at the top of the flyover bridge in Kilmacanogue every Sat and Sun, for a 10am departure, thats those of us in the south Dublin/Bray area, we also meet up with other members along the way on the main N11, i.e,those from Kilcoole, Greystones, Newcastle, Newtownmountkennedy areas

Nice one thanks for the details! Am I right in saying then that as a beginner not wanting to enter races but just enter random events around the place the € 40 + € 20 would cover me for the year and mean I don't have to buy these one-day licences to do any events?

DirkVoodoo

Always a great event, looking forward to it.

Wouldn't mind joining Bray either, nice kit

xz

DirkVoodoo wrote: »

Always a great event, looking forward to it.

Wouldn't mind joining Bray either, nice kit

Well you know where we are Dirk, there's normally a gathering in the clubhouse on Thursday evenings from 7:30 pm.......I thought you are a member of Orwell?

xz

g0g wrote: »

Nice one thanks for the details! Am I right in saying then that as a beginner not wanting to enter races but just enter random events around the place the € 40 + € 20 would cover me for the year and mean I don't have to buy these one-day licences to do any events?

Yes it should do, if you have any further questions, you should contact Liam Murphy, his phone number is on the subs form I posted the link to earlier, he will be able to answer all your questions as regards fees etc, and sort out your CI license for you should you join the club

Limestone1

xz wrote: »

Yes new members are able to join right now, it is €50 for the year if you want to take part in Club races, €40 for Leisure members, you will also need to apply for a Cycling Ireland license which is €55 for a club competition license and €20 for a non competition license, however if you want to take part in open races, i.e A4, A3 etc the license fee is €85 for restricted competitions or €120 for full competition all detail on the above here :http://www.braywheelers.com/downloads/Joining_BWCC.pdf

You could also come out for a spin or 2 with us at weekends to make your mind up, we normally meet at the top of the flyover bridge in Kilmacanogue every Sat and Sun, for a 10am departure, thats those of us in the south Dublin/Bray area, we also meet up with other members along the way on the main N11, i.e,those from Kilcoole, Greystones, Newcastle, Newtownmountkennedy areas

What sort of route/time do you go out for ? Is there different groups doing different lengths ?

DirkVoodoo

xz wrote: »

Well you know where we are Dirk, there's normally a gathering in the clubhouse on Thursday evenings from 7:30 pm.......I thought you are a member of Orwell?

Have yet to renew my membership! Trying to figure out which club kit would suit me best and make my decision based on that, Orwell is normally bottom of the list in that regard

xz

Limestone1 wrote: »

What sort of route/time do you go out for ? Is there different groups doing different lengths ?

The routes vary from week to week. yes there are different groups doing different lengths, the lads that are training for the racing season leave Kilmacanogue at 9:30,this would be for those of a high fitness level, as the lads do training specific intervals and it's a high paced spin.
The other groups leave Kilmacanogue at 10am, both Sat. and Sun., these normally split around Ashford, for those doing a long route, or those doing a short route,but bear in mind the distance that you are cycling to Kilmac, should you do so, some of the guys/gals drive to Kilmac with their bikes and take it from there. The set route, is normally the long one, which is normally posted on Bray Wheelers website on a Thursday night,but a lot of people tend to do shorter spins. A good starting point for a beginner would be Kilmac-Ashford and back via Newtownmountkennedy, but you could stay on the N11 the whole way back,we tend not to,as its quieter and safer to go through Newtownmountkennedy. This would be about 30-40kms and its fairly flat.(The Glen Of The Downs on the way back can be a bit of a challenge when you are tired or not used to it, it's very deceptive looking,i.e it's not as flat as it looks and there's normally a headwind).

All groups on the 10 am spin will stop for a coffee and a chat at some point, usually in Mount Usher in Ashford,but can vary depending on where the spin is going. As regards time, that can be entirely up to yourself, I personally leave my house @9:30am and arrive back home between 1 and 3pm depending on how far I am going (or how long we stay in the coffee shop )

NOTE: no one gets left behind, if you are struggling, someone will stay with you,its always a good idea to bring plenty of fluids (I would recommend 2 bottles,even though you might not drink them all) and some food, nutri grain bars and bananas are a good start and fit nice in your back pocket. We've all had bad days,that started out fine,then suddenly you just dont have the strength to turn the pedals, and its always nice to have someone with you to help you along.

g0g

What sort of average page do these spins go at for beginners? I find when doing lots of mountain cycling I end up around 20km/h, but if more flat road cycling it'd be in the high 20s. Is that way off normal?

xz

g0g wrote: »

What sort of average page do these spins go at for beginners? I find when doing lots of mountain cycling I end up around 20km/h, but if more flat road cycling it'd be in the high 20s. Is that way off normal?

if you are doing those kinds of averages on your own and not in a group, then you will have absolutely no problems;)
the spins are more for leisure than speed, although, some shenanigans have been known to go on, i.e first up a climb, bit of a sprint here and there, but for the most part, roughly the same averages as you have been managing.

Muller_1

Paddy Martin Randonee Route

Here is the planned route for the Paddy Martin Randonee,


PADDY MARTIN RANDONEE
SUNDAY – 20th FEBRUARY 2011

ROUTE


Start:- Bray Wheelers Clubhouse, Bray, Co Wicklow

Head onto the N11, southbound headed towards Kilmacanogue
Keeping straight towards Ashford
Leave the N11 at the Coynes Cross turn off
Take the old road into Ashford
At the roundabout in Ashford village turn right
Keep left at the next fork in the road, heading for the Devils Glen
Keep left at the Devils Glen turn
Then straight on up the hill to Garryduff (Spaghetti junction) crossroads
Take the 2nd exit through the cross roads, heading for Rathdrum
Descend towards Rathdrum
Turn right when you get to the main road CAUTION HERE
Follow the main road around Rathdrum to the next cross roads

The SHORT route turns right into Rathdrum village itself then Laragh – Roundwood – Kilmacanogue - Bray

The LONG route goes straight through the cross roads, heading towards Avoca

When you get to Avoca
Take the left over the bridge heading into Avoca village
Take the next left in the actual village itself
Climb out of Avoca village past the church on the right hand side
Past Avoca Handweavers on the left hand side, then take the next right
Climb up the steep hill to the next cross roads
Turn left at these cross roads
Carry on to the next cross roads for about 1km
Go almost straight across these cross roads, heading for Conary village
Turn right in Conary village itself
Descend down the hill CAREFULLY keeping left at the next two junctions
When you come to the T-junction, turn left heading for Rathdrum again
At the bottom of the hill, take a left turn towards Rathdrum
Follow the main road around Rathdrum back to the cross roads where you will turn right into Rathdrum village itself
Then Laragh – Roundwood – Kilmacanogue - Bray

Refreshments will be on the Laragh side of Rathdrum village

funkyjebus

do you have to be a member to do this one off event? im northside so joing makes no sense but would love to do this.

xz

funkyjebus wrote: »

do you have to be a member to do this one off event? im northside so joing makes no sense but would love to do this.

No. you dont have to be a member to do this. but you do need to have a CI license. you can get a 1 day license on the day , I think they are €10

rottenhat

Last communication I had from CI was that one day licenses for leisure events were going to be assessed at 10% of the entry fee. Prior to that it was a flat rate of €5.

Cookie_Monster

xz wrote: »

No. you dont have to be a member to do this. but you do need to have a CI license. you can get a 1 day license on the day , I think they are €10

anything else needed? (apart from a bike:P)

Muller_1

hardshell helmet.

Chips Lovell

rottenhat wrote: »

Last communication I had from CI was that one day licenses for leisure events were going to be assessed at 10% of the entry fee. Prior to that it was a flat rate of €5.

I like that idea.

manwithaplan

So do I. But I am trying not to resent it given the fact that I have just applied for an annual CI licence for the first time.

xz

Muller_1 wrote: »

hardshell helmet.

glad I had mine yesterday:D, didnt stop me breaking a few ribs though,just out of Vincents about an hour ago, so wont be doing this one:mad:, but hey, at least I might have a corner named after me;), Big thanks to Eithne Dermot, Brendan ,Kevin and I forget the other guys name, kept me in good spirits and comfortable until the ambulance arrived,and the mixture of painkillers I am on seem to be working.........for now. Hope to get back as soon as possible

Paul Kiernan

Glad to hear you're OK but, you know, we really need a lot more detail i.e. how, where, when, what, and that's just for starters:pac:.

Cookie_Monster

Muller_1 wrote: »

hardshell helmet.

I note that BW sat/sun require the same. Is this just a club decision or a requirement of some kind.
Cycling Ireland seem not to stipulate anything, insurance wise or other.

Am just wondering as obviously no legal requirement but seems a condition of any club activity they do, was thinking of joining the club but this would be one of the reasons against

(I know its a personal choice, don't want to get into the pro/con arguments, just why the club demands it)

g0g

Excuse the ignorance here please but what's the difference between a normal helmet and a hardshell? Surely any helmet needs a hard shell to be a helmet in the first place?

Oh and get well soon xz hope it wasn't too bad a crash

DirkVoodoo

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

I note that BW sat/sun require the same. Is this just a club decision or a requirement of some kind.
Cycling Ireland seem not to stipulate anything, insurance wise or other.

Am just wondering as obviously no legal requirement but seems a condition of any club activity they do, was thinking of joining the club but this would be one of the reasons against

(I know its a personal choice, don't want to get into the pro/con arguments, just why the club demands it)

If it's a club requirement then there is nothing you can do. It's like "no jeans" on a golf course, you may not like it but if you want to be a member then you better slap on your plus-fours and quit moaning.

EDIT: (Not saying you are a moaner as such, I realise that sounds harsh, just that if one has an objection to a club rule, there is nothing to be done about it. Once you realise a helmet can become a fashion accessory, you will embrace it).

Cookie_Monster

DirkVoodoo wrote: »

If it's a club requirement then there is nothing you can do.

yeah, that's all I wanted to know. Its just one of the rules of the club, totally fair enough. I've no issue with that.

xz

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

I note that BW sat/sun require the same. Is this just a club decision or a requirement of some kind.
Cycling Ireland seem not to stipulate anything, insurance wise or other.

Am just wondering as obviously no legal requirement but seems a condition of any club activity they do, was thinking of joining the club but this would be one of the reasons against

(I know its a personal choice, don't want to get into the pro/con arguments, just why the club demands it)

It IS a club rule that a helmet be worn on club spins,(the 10am leisure spin), and club organised randonees.The club also have spins for more serious riders involved in open racing which depart at 9:30. as far as I am aware, some of these riders, like you, will use their own discretion as to the wearing of a helmet, but most do. If you are planning on joining the club, with the intention of racing, you will find that the use of a helmet is compulsory for racing,so the wearing of it during training would appear to make sense, to get used to the feel of it whilst riding (without getting into pro/con side of things). you might find that most clubs nationwide would have a similar rule in place.To NOT join a club, based on the fact that they have a helmet rule in place seems petty.

I understand the some people prefer not to wear a helmet whilst training, but would wear a beanie etc. But for the purpose of Bray Wheelers Leisure spins, we prefer that you DO wear a helmet, as there are riders of varying fitness and skill levels,and crashes can,and do happen.

Bottom line,pros and cons aside, it's a Club rule;)

carthoris

g0g wrote: »

Excuse the ignorance here please but what's the difference between a normal helmet and a hardshell? Surely any helmet needs a hard shell to be a helmet in the first place?

A normal helmet is a hardshell helmet. In previous times, leather helmets were available but they are no longer consider safe.

xz

carthoris wrote: »

A normal helmet is a hardshell helmet. In previous times, leather helmets were available but they are no longer consider safe.

Muller 1 is old skool;)

Muller_1

Just posted more info on http://www.braywheelers.com/events.htm

xz

Link to route map :http://www.braywheelers.com/downloads/PaddyMartinRandonneeroutemap2011.pdf

2x4

Just want to remind people that the Paddy Martin Randonnee is on this Sunday from Bray Wheelers clubhouse.

FuzzyDunlop100

Are there many hills on this route?
I'm thinking this could be an excellent training ride for the W200

funkyjebus

FuzzyDunlop100 wrote: »

Are there many hills on this route?
I'm thinking this could be an excellent training ride for the W200

http://www.mapmyride.com/routes/view/4940524

FuzzyDunlop100

Merci!

happygoose

Do you need to be a member of Cycling Ireland to do this? How much is a day membership? Still waiting in my introductory membership to be processed.

g0g

I did the other BW event at the end of last year without being a member of anything. You just needed to buy a one-day licence which was either € 5 or € 10 I think! Really looking forward to this on Sunday and might even bump into a few boardsies!

xz

happygoose wrote: »

Do you need to be a member of Cycling Ireland to do this? How much is a day membership? Still waiting in my introductory membership to be processed.

A lot of people are still waiting to receive this years licences. I will find out the exact position on this and get back with the details. As your introductory license has not been processed , you will more than likely have to get a 1 day license, which will be available at sign on. It is for your own and BW Insurance purposes that licences are required

easygoing39

New to all this,so sorry if my question is a bit thick..
1.Is the route signposted at every junction,or do I need to download the map and follow it??
2.I'm not a CI member,so the 1 day license is €10,yes??
Thanks

xz

easygoing39 wrote: »

New to all this,so sorry if my question is a bit thick..
1.Is the route signposted at every junction,or do I need to download the map and follow it??
2.I'm not a CI member,so the 1 day license is €10,yes??
Thanks

1.The route will be signposted, probably painted on road with a PM and arrow, I think there will be some marshalling at certain junctions too.

2. yes

daragh_

Planning to be there - depends on lingering cold and ongoing spousal negotiations :rolleyes:

seamus

xz wrote: »

A lot of people are still waiting to receive this years licences. I will find out the exact position on this and get back with the details. As your introductory license has not been processed , you will more than likely have to get a 1 day license, which will be available at sign on. It is for your own and BW Insurance purposes that licences are required

I have my licence number but I haven't received the card yet. I presume that they'd be happy to take my word for it?

xz

Good Luck to everyone taking part, looks like the weather is going to be OK until late afternoon, so everyone should get back dry(ish);).
I won't be there personally as I am currently injured, but was hoping to get out and help out on the day, but my better half has decided that Sunday is going to be shopping for re-decorating day:(.

First one back please leave some cake for everyone else

mahoo

A summary of my day:

distance travelled before start - 25km
minutes late for start - 2 (not bad in my book)
total time spent cycling with group - 30 mins
Number of punctures - 2
Vocal outbursts of rage - 1
Wrong Turns - 1
Moments of Depression - 1
muck accumulated - a bucket (metric)
Cups of Coffee - 3
Distance travelled - 219km / avg speed 37km/hr*
Steaks about to be consumed - 2

*Clearly wrong but im going to print it out and show my future grandkids. Actual figure, 150ish km in 5hrs 50

Sorry i missed any other boardsies doing it. actually enjoyed it despite the hiccups... great turn out for it too. well done bray wheelers

Clandog

Absolutely fantastic day out, well organised by Bray Wheelers from the start, with signs and markings on roads. Some of the best buns/cakes/sambos I have tasted both at the foodstop and back in the club house. Great route, good test of the legs in the early season, definitely tired now!!!! Weather held off, no rain all day. Great numbers out, met a couple of the boardies, gOg and Jimmy, nice to meet you out there, looking forward to seeing you at more Randonnes.:):)

g0g

Great day out today, really enjoyed it despite a couple of hills that nearly finished me off (these being the one after Avoca and the short but steep one before the Rathdrum food stop!). Nice to meet a few boards heads and will of course do the training log when I have more energy tomorrow! Thanks to the organisers for a job well done!

seamus

Yeah, turned into a nice day out in the end. I spent 40 minutes sitting in the car shivering at the rain outside, but then the last shower hit around 9:45 and that was it for the day...sweet as. Though the promise of "sun splitting the rocks in the Glen", as a number of people were claiming, never panned out

Overall it was well organised, well signposted. Though I got the impression that not many went for the 100k. Only gripe I would have is as Jim mentioned to me; the main group seemed to burn off from the start like some kind of hard pushing club spin rather than a friendly event. We just happened to be at the back setting out and within 2km there was a sizeable gap between the main bunch and a second bunch at the back. Granted the bunch at the back weren't moving too quickly, but it the main group seemed to say, "right..seeya" and push off.
We pushed ahead of the slower bunch and caught up with the main bunch again before we came off the N11, but once we hit the hills, I took it easy, staying and chatting to a small group of slower riders and that was the last I saw of the main group.
Maybe it's my fault for hanging back

Feckin headwind was a bit of killer all the way down past Avoca but it came in dead handy coming out of roundwood, carried my tired legs a lot. Note for next year: bring lights. There was fairly thick fog around Glasnamullen; I would have been happier with a rear light, even a knog or something.

I missed the turn off the N11 at the end, ending up in Bray town and adding 5km to my total. D'oh.

Muller_1

Todays event with 187 riders was a fitting tribute to Paddy Martin.
Thank you to all involved including all riders who took part.