Help me get bigger!

Sofiztikated

Hi All

First post in here, so be gentle. Or not.

Basically, I'm getting married in September, and I want to fill out a bit for the photos (and in general.) I've been saying this for years, and still haven't done anything about it.

About me:

I'm 27, male, and quite slim. Always have been. I've been 50kg since I was 16. I did peak at 60kg a few years ago when I joined a gym, but after a year I had other more important things to spend my money on. :pac:

I had a incident a while back where I tore the cartilidge in my left knee. It's all healed up again, but can get a little stiff under heavy exertion/cold.

My diet. Where do I start. I'm a very fussy eater. Well, not as fussy as I was, but I still eat very few vegetables. Probably easier to list what I do eat rather than what I don't. I don't eat green. Its a mental thing.

Potatoes. In any form. Love chips. Would eat chips 3 times a day, if I thought I could.
Sweet potatoes. Only recently, and that was in the form of sweet potato chips, soy sauce and olive oil mixed and coated, and oven roasted.
Onions. Love them. Red onions especially.
Peppers. Red and yellow. Green end up on the side of my plate, subconsciously. I make fajitas with all in it, and don't even notice myself doing it.
Meat. Any kind. If it walks, I'll eat it. If it flies, I'll eat it. If it swims, I don't. Not hugely keen on turkey, its ok.
Apples, bananas, oranges, pineapple, mango. I like them, but never think of eating them.
Nuts. I adore cashew nuts. Usually salted though, but unsalted are still good.
Herbs and spices, I make liberal use of these. I like spicy.
Junk food. Crisps, chocolate, sweets, jellies, popcorn, fizzy drinks. Yes please.
Alcohol. Don't drink every week, but when I do drink, I drink a bit. Wine, spirits, bitch piss (alco pops, I like the sweetness now and again), beer.

Breakfast: If I'm working early (7am start) I might have a glass of OJ and a croissant when I get into work. Normally might not eat until lunch time. If I'm working late, I'll have something. Could be toast, cereal, recently hot chocolate, occasionally a fry.

Lunch: Depends what's in work. If there is potatoes, they'll be mashed or roasted, or baby boiled. Meat of some kind. That's it. If not, I'll go to the vending machine and get crisps and chocolate. Again, this is if I take time to eat. Work being work, sometimes its too busy to stop for food.

Dinner: Similar to lunch, if I'm working late (3 - 11) I eat at 6ish, and depends on what there is. If there is nothing I like, it'll either be crisps and chocolate, or I might get a sandwich and chips from the kitchen. Normally toasted chicken on white.

I have a dumbell and barbell set at home. Rarely used.
When I was going to the gym, I was spending around 50 minutes there, at least 3 times a week. Cardio (Rowing machine, treadmill, stairclimber thingy) for 10 minutes, and the rest weights. I used weight machines as I was intimidated by the free weight area.

Ideally, I'd like to build up my shoulders, chest, arms and particularly my wrists. I know the wrists sounds stupid, but it's a real conscious point of mind. I can wrap my hand around my wrists and touch my thumb of all fingers bar the pinkie. Very narrow. Work on legs, but that would be just to balance out.

So, please MTV, pimp my ride....erm.

cmyk

Sofiztikated wrote: »

Basically, I'm getting married in September, and I want to fill out a bit for the photos (and in general.) I've been saying this for years, and still haven't done anything about it.

Congratulations.

Sofiztikated wrote: »

Potatoes.
Sweet potatoes. Only recently, and that was in the form of sweet potato chips, soy sauce and olive oil mixed and coated, and oven roasted.
Onions. Love them. Red onions especially.
Peppers. Red and yellow. Green end up on the side of my plate, subconsciously. I make fajitas with all in it, and don't even notice myself doing it.
Meat. Any kind. If it walks, I'll eat it. If it flies, I'll eat it. If it swims, I don't. Not hugely keen on turkey, its ok.
Apples, bananas, oranges, pineapple, mango. I like them, but never think of eating them.
Nuts. I adore cashew nuts. Usually salted though, but unsalted are still good.
Herbs and spices, I make liberal use of these. I like spicy.

Base your diet around eating a lot more of all of this, if you're not gaining weight (preferably with some exercise, see below), add more food.

Sofiztikated wrote: »

Junk food. Crisps, chocolate, sweets, jellies, popcorn, fizzy drinks. Yes please.
Alcohol. Don't drink every week, but when I do drink, I drink a bit. Wine, spirits, bitch piss (alco pops, I like the sweetness now and again), beer.

Keep these in moderation

Sofiztikated wrote: »

Breakfast: If I'm working early (7am start) I might have a glass of OJ and a croissant when I get into work. Normally might not eat until lunch time. If I'm working late, I'll have something. Could be toast, cereal, recently hot chocolate, occasionally a fry.

Lunch: Depends what's in work. If there is potatoes, they'll be mashed or roasted, or baby boiled. Meat of some kind. That's it. If not, I'll go to the vending machine and get crisps and chocolate. Again, this is if I take time to eat. Work being work, sometimes its too busy to stop for food.

Dinner: Similar to lunch, if I'm working late (3 - 11) I eat at 6ish, and depends on what there is. If there is nothing I like, it'll either be crisps and chocolate, or I might get a sandwich and chips from the kitchen. Normally toasted chicken on white.

See the above list for what you should be eating. Far too much sugar in there.

Sofiztikated wrote: »

I have a dumbell and barbell set at home. Rarely used.

If you want to maximise your weight gain in the form of muscle, you'll have to do some form of resistance training.

Sofiztikated wrote: »

When I was going to the gym, I was spending around 50 minutes there, at least 3 times a week. Cardio (Rowing machine, treadmill, stairclimber thingy) for 10 minutes, and the rest weights. I used weight machines as I was intimidated by the free weight area.

Sounds about right, no need to be intimidated by the free weights. If you get some proper instruction on technique and a decent programme, you'll be streaks ahead of most there.

Sofiztikated wrote: »

Ideally, I'd like to build up my shoulders, chest, arms and particularly my wrists. I know the wrists sounds stupid, but it's a real conscious point of mind. I can wrap my hand around my wrists and touch my thumb of all fingers bar the pinkie. Very narrow. Work on legs, but that would be just to balance out.

A balanced programme should take care of all of the above. By balance I don't just mean top and bottom. My advice, find someone who can put together a decent programme for you, teach you good technique and then fire away on your own, play with your calorie intake and you'll be flying.

Sofiztikated

Firstly, :eek:!

Never thought my diet would be anywhere near right! It sounds simple now, eat more!

I work in a hotel here, and it has a gym. But I don't want to go to that one, as it's work, if you know what I mean. Not sure if I want to join a gym at the moment, but I'll have a look around to see what is on offer.

But if I get chatting to one of the guys, I might be able to sort out a program to build myself up a little bit.

cmyk

Sofiztikated wrote: »

Firstly, :eek:!
Never thought my diet would be anywhere near right! It sounds simple now, eat more!

Just for clarity, you're 'current' daily diet is pretty poor. I did say base your meals around your first list. That list suggests you already know you're current diet is poor. If you're 60kg now, work out your maintenance cals and up your intake from that until the scales move. I'd guess your maintenance would be around 2k.

Sofiztikated wrote: »

I work in a hotel here, and it has a gym. But I don't want to go to that one, as it's work, if you know what I mean. Not sure if I want to join a gym at the moment, but I'll have a look around to see what is on offer.

Well it is possible to do from home too, you can make bodyweight exercises pretty challenging, and you mentioned you have some equipment.

Doctor_Socks

You never said what height you were OP, that can make quite a difference to everything.

Sofiztikated

Sorry, 5'8"

Lantus

Your body type is one that will always be quite thin unless given the right nutrition and exercise. Just as some body types need to work especially hard to lose weight you will probably find that you will need to work quite hard to gain muscle.

Muscle growth is a slow process and starting now will ensure you have some good shape and definition in september. (dont delay)

Look up ectomorph body types for more info.

But basically you will need to eat a lot of the right food as others have said and work out hard to gain muscle. cardio shouldn't be much of a real necessity but I would always advocate some as the heart is the most important muscle in the body so a few times a week of high intensity or interval training would be good.

But I'd aim for 5 times a week of heavy lifting for 45-55mins (never longer than a hour)

Satanta

I'd actually suggest 3 times a week of intense weights exercises. I also find it difficult to gain weight and therefore would be classes ectomorph, or a hard gainer. I have gone through several routines in my time, and I have now found a routine and diet plan that works for me.

1. Workouts. When I say intense above I dont mean go into the gym and try to lift the heaviest weights you can. Pick a weight for a particular exercise that you can get between 8 - 12 clean reps from. Stick to compound movements (those that involve more than one joint movement and muscle group). Generally Bench press, shoulder press, squat, deadlifts, pull downs/ pull ups. I have found the following 3 day split usefull
Monday - Chest and Back. Bench press, incline bench press. Pull downs, seated row.
Wednesday - Triceps and legs. Close grip bench press, tricep push downs. Squat, dumbell squats
Friday - Shoulders and biceps. Shoulder bumbell press, fly's. Barbell curls, hammer curls.
There are many different splits out there but this one works good when I am trying to gain a few pounds.

2. Diet. Increase your calorie intake greatly and invest in a protein supplement. To grow your body needs clean carbs and protein. To be healthy you need fruit and veg and vitamins and minerals. Cut out the crisps, fizzy drinks, chocolate and all that crap. Refined carbs and sugars are bad

3 Recovery. Alot of us seem to think that the more we workout the bigger we will get. False. When we break down the muscles in the gym, we need time to allow the muscels to rebuild themselves and overcompensate. That takes time. It is actually counter productive workign out again when the muscles havent had ample time to overcompensate from the last bashing they got

That's my twopence worth.

deadlybuzzman

I used to find it difficult to gain no matter how hard I trained then I realised ultimately I wasnt eating enough but it took years to realise this, I ate alot and I had gotten heavier by eating 5 times a day but couldnt figure out how to progress more then I took a notion and ate more-shakes, deli chicken 4L milk per day, whatever, and guess what I grew.
The thing is it wasnt enjoyable it was work so if you really want to do it as opposed to just liking the idea of doing it look up whats a normal bulking plan and if that doesnt work eat more

look up starting strength and heres something from an article to get you thinking on the same lines, bottom line, go for it or quit-dont half do one because then youre also half doing the other



Muscle, weight, and strength gains have one thing in common to me, and I can sum that up with two words—eat more! Eat more protein, eat more carbs, and eat more fat. Just eat more of everything you usually eat. “Whoa, I can eat candy and ice cream?” I wouldn’t every day, all day, but I wouldn’t worry about it if you did.

Here is what I hear:

Guy: Ray, I want to gain muscle, like 20 lbs.

Ray: Eat more.

Guy: But I don’t want to lose my six-pack.

Ray: Forget it.

Yeah, I know I’m a bully or I’m mean. I’m also telling the truth. I remember reading a statement from Mark Rippetoe. He said, “Many successful weight gaining programs have been sabotaged by this bizarre desire to have a six-pack year round. What the hell is the point of having a six-pack if you don’t have an ice chest to put it in? Let’s say you put on 40 or 50 pounds in six months. That’s going to have a huge impact on how you look and how strong you are. But let’s say you do the ‘gotta keep my razor sharp abs’ horsesh*t. You’ll be lucky if you gain eight or nine pounds. What do you think is going to have more effect on how you look—50 pounds, 30 of it muscle, or 8 pounds? No one gives a **** about your bullsh*t abs if you’re 5′11 and 170 pounds.”

He says it’s better to gain weight and then drop the fat, which is relatively easy. Instead of being eight pounds heavier and lean, you’re 30 pounds heavier and lean.

Hanley

deadlybuzzman wrote: »

Yeah, I know I’m a bully or I’m mean. I’m also telling the truth. I remember reading a statement from Mark Rippetoe. He said, “Many successful weight gaining programs have been sabotaged by this bizarre desire to have a six-pack year round. What the hell is the point of having a six-pack if you don’t have an ice chest to put it in? Let’s say you put on 40 or 50 pounds in six months. That’s going to have a huge impact on how you look and how strong you are. But let’s say you do the ‘gotta keep my razor sharp abs’ horsesh*t. You’ll be lucky if you gain eight or nine pounds. What do you think is going to have more effect on how you look—50 pounds, 30 of it muscle, or 8 pounds? No one gives a **** about your bullsh*t abs if you’re 5′11 and 170 pounds.”

He says it’s better to gain weight and then drop the fat, which is relatively easy. Instead of being eight pounds heavier and lean, you’re 30 pounds heavier and lean.

13-15kg of muscle in 6 months?

Sofiztikated

Now I did try an experiment over the weekend.

I haven't started my workout routine yet, as I'm investigating technique, and have been at work for most of the weekend. I know that milk is a start for bulking up, so I increased my consumption.

Feck me, that's hard. Between glasses of milk, and hot chocolate, I upped it from next to none a day, to about half a litre. Probably just not used to it, but it leaves a constant taste in my mouth.

Sofiztikated

Hanley wrote: »

13-15kg of muscle in 6 months?

I think thats 13-15kg (40-50lbs) of weight in 6 months, not necessarily muscle.

Hanley

Sofiztikated wrote: »

I think thats 13-15kg (40-50lbs) of weight in 6 months, not necessarily muscle.

THe quote says "50lb of weight, 30lb of which is muscle".

Vomit

There's only one way, and that's the hard way. 5-6 meals a day, weight training at least 3 times a week, 1g protein per 1lbs of bodyweight, spread out evenly over all meals.

Don't just eat to get fat - with your body type you'll just end up with a pot belly. You'll be a skinny fat guy.

Vomit

deadlybuzzman wrote: »

Let’s say you put on 40 or 50 pounds in six months. That’s going to have a huge impact on how you look and how strong you are. But let’s say you do the ‘gotta keep my razor sharp abs’ horsesh*t. You’ll be lucky if you gain eight or nine pounds. What do you think is going to have more effect on how you look—50 pounds, 30 of it muscle, or 8 pounds? No one gives a **** about your bullsh*t abs if you’re 5′11 and 170 pounds.”

He says it’s better to gain weight and then drop the fat, which is relatively easy. Instead of being eight pounds heavier and lean, you’re 30 pounds heavier and lean.

Nobody, and I mean nobody, can put on 30lbs of muscle in six months. Not without huge doses of steroids anyway. The most genetically gifted bodybuilders can put on about 10lbs a year if they do it by the book.

Hanley

Vomit wrote: »

Nobody, and I mean nobody, can put on 30lbs of muscle in six months. Not without huge doses of steroids anyway. The most genetically gifted bodybuilders can put on about 10lbs a year if they do it by the book.

Yeah, but they're already incredibly well stacked with muscle, so gains will come slower.

A newbie with decent genetics will probably gain more than a pro-BB will, but it's still not doing to be 15kg in 6 months.

Sofiztikated

Hanley wrote: »

THe quote says "50lb of weight, 30lb of which is muscle".

Vomit wrote: »

Nobody, and I mean nobody, can put on 30lbs of muscle in six months. Not without huge doses of steroids anyway. The most genetically gifted bodybuilders can put on about 10lbs a year if they do it by the book.

I think it's just a hypothetical situation. He's saying IF you put on 50lbs in 6 months, it will make you look different. If it's 50lbs with 30lbs of muscle you will look one way. If you put on 50 lbs with 8 lbs of it muscle, you will look another way. But you've still put on 50 lbs.

deadlybuzzman

Sofiztikated wrote: »

I think it's just a hypothetical situation. He's saying IF you put on 50lbs in 6 months, it will make you look different. If it's 50lbs with 30lbs of muscle you will look one way. If you put on 50 lbs with 8 lbs of it muscle, you will look another way. But you've still put on 50 lbs.

http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/most_recent/most_lifters_are_still_beginners

Starting Strength

The Starting Strength program is designed to take advantage of the body's immense growth capability during the first few months of training, when Rip says a lifter can gain faster naturally than many seasoned veterans can on steroids.

"These are the prime growth years. You'll never have another anabolic window like that ever again," says Rip. "And if you waste it, you can never go back."

What kind of growth are we talking about?

"An 18-year-old kid showing up at my gym for the first time; if he's 5'10'' and 140 pounds on day one, I've seen kids that size put on 60 pounds of mass in six to eight months more times than I count," says Rip. "In fact, if he doesn't get results like that, I know he's not eating enough."

I dont think its so much hypothetical as it is extreme examples-being a coach with a big name hes going to get kids with top notch potential coming to him, so if he gets an underfed kid with freakish easy gainer genes and a 'whatever it takes' attitude plus high natural test levels, huge gains would be possible.....although theres always the possibility hes being generous with the numbers plus the trainees could also still be growing.
that said its still food for thought...pardon the pun!

deadlybuzzman

Sofiztikated wrote: »

Now I did try an experiment over the weekend.

I haven't started my workout routine yet, as I'm investigating technique, and have been at work for most of the weekend. I know that milk is a start for bulking up, so I increased my consumption.

Feck me, that's hard. Between glasses of milk, and hot chocolate, I upped it from next to none a day, to about half a litre. Probably just not used to it, but it leaves a constant taste in my mouth.

fair play-stick with it and once you start hitting the weights slowly chug back increasing amounts, dont worry your appetite with increase! :pac:

Sofiztikated

deadlybuzzman wrote: »

fair play-stick with it and once you start hitting the weights slowly chug back increasing amounts, dont worry your appetite with increase! :pac:

Cheers.

Would it be worth getting whey protein or is this a mythological beast?

Is Supermilk (Avenmore) better cos it's got added stuffs, or again, is it just milk in a different colour carton?

Because I can get 2 x 2Litres of local milk in the shop for €2.50, and that's 4 times the milk for the same price. But if it works, I'll stump up for the Supermilk.

What about red meat?

gavney1

Without going into whether or not Whey protein is as good as a chicken fillet (cause I'm no expert and only go by what I read here and online), I'd recommend getting some good quality Whey from purely a convenience point of view. It's much handier than bringing a tin of tuna to the gym. Also, during the day, if you're in a rush and haven't eaten for 3 hours and need to eat quickly, it's a good supplemtn

Sofiztikated

gavney1 wrote: »

Without going into whether or not Whey protein is as good as a chicken fillet (cause I'm no expert and only go by what I read here and online), I'd recommend getting some good quality Whey from purely a convenience point of view. It's much handier than bringing a tin of tuna to the gym. Also, during the day, if you're in a rush and haven't eaten for 3 hours and need to eat quickly, it's a good supplemtn

Thank you. It wouldn't be that I'd be in a rush, more that I just wouldn't have the time to eat every 3 hours.

Scuba Ste

Sofiztikated wrote: »

Thank you. It wouldn't be that I'd be in a rush, more that I just wouldn't have the time to eat every 3 hours.

You don't need to eat every three hours. You need eat enough calories to grow.

Figure out how much you need to eat and divide that into how many meals you eat. It's just it can be easier to eat less over more frequent meals.

Supermilk is €2.50 a litre. Rip. Just get whole milk, it's the easy calories that you want.

Sofiztikated

Scuba Ste wrote: »

You don't need to eat every three hours. You need eat enough calories to grow.

Figure out how much you need to eat and divide that into how many meals you eat. It's just it can be easier to eat less over more frequent meals.

Supermilk is €2.50 a litre. Rip. Just get whole milk, it's the easy calories that you want.

Nice one.

So I'll keep upping my milk intake, as you said, easy calories.

Guess I'll be pigging out on banana sammidges and pints of milk. (Bananas are ok, yeah? Potassium and all that?)

Dellboy2007

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daenerysstormborn3

OP, my boyfriend is in your situation, built like a gazelle and it just so happens that he was in with the doctor on Friday just getting a prescription filled but while he was there the doc decided to just do a general check up and take some blood. My bf was telling the doc that his energy levels have been quite low. My bf's diet is very very poor, he doesn't eat veggies or fruit so obviously the first thing his doctor recommended was to change his diet (he did him up a diet sheet) and he also took blood to have him tested for diabetes, he told him to keep sugar and salt out of his diet as much as possible. One of the things he recommended to him was Avonmore Supermilk. I wasn't at the doctor with my bf so I only kind of got half a story from him but the reason he told him to start on the supermilk is because of the added vitamins. Just my two cents as I'm on the other side - trying to lose weight.

deadlybuzzman

Sofiztikated wrote: »

Nice one.

So I'll keep upping my milk intake, as you said, easy calories.

Guess I'll be pigging out on banana sammidges and pints of milk. (Bananas are ok, yeah? Potassium and all that?)

In your situation chances are you cant go too far wrong with plenty of everything-and meat have plenty of meat at every opportunity. once work is the main time that youre finding it hard to eat enough maybe shakes or protein bars are the way to go.
My brother job means hes stuck at his desk for long periods so he brings either a 2nd bunch of sandwiches to eat at his desk through the day or hell bring bars or shakes

Sofiztikated

deadlybuzzman wrote: »

In your situation chances are you cant go too far wrong with plenty of everything-and meat have plenty of meat at every opportunity. once work is the main time that youre finding it hard to eat enough maybe shakes or protein bars are the way to go.
My brother job means hes stuck at his desk for long periods so he brings either a 2nd bunch of sandwiches to eat at his desk through the day or hell bring bars or shakes

I like this bit.

I'm in a public facing role at a reception, so I can't be nipping off to eat loads, but shakes and bars might be ticket. Part of why I eat so much junk during the day would be the grazing I do in work, I can nip into the back office and shovel a handful of crisps into my mouth and wash it down with a lovely coke.

Man, am I hungry.

Any suggestions for shakes or bars?

deadlybuzzman

Sofiztikated wrote: »

I like this bit.

I'm in a public facing role at a reception, so I can't be nipping off to eat loads, but shakes and bars might be ticket. Part of why I eat so much junk during the day would be the grazing I do in work, I can nip into the back office and shovel a handful of crisps into my mouth and wash it down with a lovely coke.

Man, am I hungry.

Any suggestions for shakes or bars?

cool thatd help alot in your situation-if you can keep 2L of milk under the desk or back office and knock back a pint at a time (pretend its a pint of ure fav beer!)
for wheyconsortium.co.uk look to be the cheapest at the moment for shakes although theyve no flavourings which can be tough to stomach for some.
myprotein.co.uk is good for shakes and bars and has flavourings too.
That said leave the likes of that for a while till youre doing a good solid programme consistently 1st

Vomit

Scuba Ste wrote: »

You don't need to eat every three hours. You need eat enough calories to grow.

Figure out how much you need to eat and divide that into how many meals you eat. It's just it can be easier to eat less over more frequent meals.

Supermilk is €2.50 a litre. Rip. Just get whole milk, it's the easy calories that you want.

You DO have to eat every 3 hours. If one doesn't, they body will have no incentive to grow extra muscle. Allowing long periods of time to pass without food will only cause to body to store fat, and nothing else. It's unhealthy, and besides, getting muscular requires too many calories to stuff into 3 meals. You'd probably throw up trying to eat around 1000 calories in one sitting.

itsallaboutheL

Vomit wrote: »

You'd probably throw up trying to eat around 1000 calories in one sitting.

Rofl.

What about the Warrior Diet.

or Backloading Carbs or fasting. Or i don't really care.

Da Za

Vomit wrote: »

You DO have to eat every 3 hours. If one doesn't, they body will have no incentive to grow extra muscle. Allowing long periods of time to pass without food will only cause to body to store fat, and nothing else. It's unhealthy, and besides, getting muscular requires too many calories to stuff into 3 meals. You'd probably throw up trying to eat around 1000 calories in one sitting.

Ha.............no incentive???? Come on.............

Throwing up after having 1000 calories in one sitting.....ok!!

1L milk will give 1000 cals and I don't see myself throwing up....mcdonalds etc etc

Pace2008

Vomit wrote: »

You'd probably throw up trying to eat around 1000 calories in one sitting.

Have you never eaten a pizza before? There'd be over 2000 calories in a 16" pizza with a few toppings, and I'd have no problem horsing one down.

Vomit

Sure, everyone is different (size/build etc) -- 1000 calories 3 times a day, for the OP, who is 5'8" and 50kg, would do nothing but make him feel ill.

McDonalds and pizzas are full of MSG, which makes you feel like you can keep eating. 1L of milk does NOT have 1000 calories - just under 500, and I really doubt you drink 1L at once.

Da Za

Vomit wrote: »

Sure, everyone is different (size/build etc) -- 1000 calories 3 times a day, for the OP, who is 5'8" and 50kg, would do nothing but make him feel ill.

McDonalds and pizzas are full of MSG, which makes you feel like you can keep eating. 1L of milk does NOT have 1000 calories - just under 500, and I really doubt you drink 1L at once.

Ok.....let me be more specific....a meal with say 400g of meat, pasta + salad will be over 1000cals easily.

A litre of chocolate milk has about 1000cals and yes I'll finish it in about 2mins or so.....

But a person of his size will most likely have problems with getting down food which would be easy for me, case by case basis....

Scuba Ste

Vomit wrote: »

McDonalds and pizzas are full of MSG, which makes you feel like you can keep eating. 1L of milk does NOT have 1000 calories - just under 500, and I really doubt you drink 1L at once.

All the time actually and its 640 kcals per litre. I find it goes well with my XL bacon double cheeseburger meal to put me at over 2000 kcals in one sitting. Haven't thrown up yet. You don't know what your talking about.

Apt user name though.

Vomit

Scuba Ste wrote: »

All the time actually and its 640 kcals per litre. I find it goes well with my XL bacon double cheeseburger meal to put me at over 2000 kcals in one sitting. Haven't thrown up yet. You don't know what your talking about.

Apt user name though.

Oh ok... just assumed this was a discussion about healthy eating. Don't know what you're doing in this forum TBH.

You should try eating a nutritionally balanced meal containing the same amount of calories (and no MSG), and see how you do.

Vomit

Scuba Ste wrote: »

All the time actually and its 640 kcals per litre.

Ah, full fat milk.

Transform

Vomit wrote: »

Ah, full fat milk.

like full fat milk is an issue in any way - OP get in the calories and hit the weights

Scuba Ste

Vomit wrote: »

Oh ok... just assumed this was a discussion about healthy eating. Don't know what you're doing in this forum TBH.

You should try eating a nutritionally balanced meal containing the same amount of calories (and no MSG), and see how you do.

It's a discussion on how to get bigger, the title is at the top of the page.

Your talking nonsense. Let the OP decide what he wants to eat. Religion is that way if you want to preach --->

I have to go eat something, it's been 3.5 hours, my extra muscle's stopped growing.

Vomit

Scuba Ste wrote: »

It's a discussion on how to get bigger, the title is at the top of the page.

Your talking nonsense. Let the OP decide what he wants to eat. Religion is that way if you want to preach --->

I have to go eat something, it's been 3.5 hours, my extra muscle's stopped growing.

Preaching??

If the OP wanted to know how to just get fat, he wouldn't have opened a topic on a forum entitled, 'Fitness'. He'd have dialed Four Star Pizza. So 'getting bigger' here must mean muscle. Was is unreasonable of me to assume that's what he meant?

So if you think advising the OP to eat good food equates to 'preaching', or if you think 'big' and 'fat' are interchangeable terms, I really think you're in the wrong place.

FTA69

Vomit wrote: »

You'd probably throw up trying to eat around 1000 calories in one sitting.

Scurillous lies. Mix 80g of peanut butter, a scoop of whey, 450ml of whole milk, a banana and a dollop of olive oil. Blend, fits into a pint glass and clocks up 1000 calories. Breakfast of champions.

*Disclaimer, will involve taking a vicious poo 40mins after*

deadlybuzzman

Vomit wrote: »

McDonalds and pizzas are full of MSG, which makes you feel like you can keep eating.

class!! can MSG be bought on its own? seriously

Vomit

FTA69 wrote: »

Scurillous lies. Mix 80g of peanut butter, a scoop of whey, 450ml of whole milk, a banana and a dollop of olive oil. Blend, fits into a pint glass and clocks up 1000 calories. Breakfast of champions.

*Disclaimer, will involve taking a vicious poo 40mins after*

And you don't think this will make a 50kg man feel ill? Not even a little? Right.

And what's the point in eating this way? To feel boated and need to sit down for hours? How do you expect the metabolism to deal with this kind of eating pattern? Unless of course this is part of a 6 meal plan. But you'd have to be a fairly large bodybuilder to need 6000 calories a day.

itsallaboutheL

I must have missed the memo about being healthy to post in fitness:pac:

Sofiztikated

FTA69 wrote: »

Scurillous lies. Mix 80g of peanut butter, a scoop of whey, 450ml of whole milk, a banana and a dollop of olive oil. Blend, fits into a pint glass and clocks up 1000 calories. Breakfast of champions.

*Disclaimer, will involve taking a vicious poo 40mins after*

I feel ill just reading that!

Remember, I've gone from no milk to just under a pint a day, and I've already said that was hard.

I'm not trying to become a porker, neither do I want to be "Beeefcake, Beeeeefcaaake!" I want to be a healthier weight, with some muscle, so I don't look like a famine victim.

FYI, polishing off a snackbox, onion rings, and 2 litres of coke isn't a problem. Pizza would be as I don't like cheese.

Next question, weights, before or after breakfast?

Da Za

Sofiztikated wrote: »

I feel ill just reading that!

Remember, I've gone from no milk to just under a pint a day, and I've already said that was hard.

I'm not trying to become a porker, neither do I want to be "Beeefcake, Beeeeefcaaake!" I want to be a healthier weight, with some muscle, so I don't look like a famine victim.

FYI, polishing off a snackbox, onion rings, and 2 litres of coke isn't a problem. Pizza would be as I don't like cheese.

Next question, weights, before or after breakfast?

You should preferably get some food in before you do a weights session, doing a conditioning session or "cardio" can be done fasted but depends on your goals. I would just get a protein shake and caffeine into you if your doing a session soon enough after getting up. Some people may feel I bit bloated that early in the morning so I guess you gotta see what works for yourself.

Just looked at your opening post, I'd get your breakfast sorted out, have some eggs and some ham or something better anyway.....

SpookyBastard

I think you need to change your nickname Vomit, because most of what you've posted here comes out the other end.

OP, I've been pretty much where you are. Light, slender, ectomorph. Junk food, and sugar and not eating for ages at a time due to a customer facing role. The solution is really simple and really annoying.

We need to eat. Eat. Eat. Eat. It gets easier but you have to break the old habbits and find ways around it. I still mix up a shake every day just to help me get my total cals in a little easier.

And yes, work out too but thats the easier bit for folks like us. Step one: EAT :pac: . . . . . .

Vomit

SpookyBastard wrote: »

I think you need to change your nickname Vomit, because most of what you've posted here comes out the other end.

Feel like backing that up?

Most of the advice given on this thread will give the OP moobs and a pot belly, and little else.

Vomit

OP, here's what you need to do:

Consume 1g of protein per pound of your own bodyweight - this means 110g per day for you. Spread this out over 5 or 6 nutritionally balanced meals every day. This means approx 60% carbs, 20% protein, 20% fat (keeping saturated fat to a minimum).

You also need to lift weight 3 times per week. You'll need to research the best type of workouts that suit your current ability, strength, ability to recover etc.

It's not any easier or harder than that. But it takes time and dedication. You can put on around 10lbs of muscle in one year if you do it right.

The main point is that getting 'bigger' is not a simple as 80% of posters here think it is, unless you want to look even worse. Trust me- simply stuffing yourself with burgers and chips in 3 large portions a day is not good. Getting bigger takes time, and must be approached with discipline. I assume your first goals are big shoulders, arms and chest, right? And not this:

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/03_04/clarksonDM2603_228x468.jpg