Garda activity at the old Delmege Estate

phog

Passed there this morning and they were about 8 garda vehicles there and tried passing again about an hour ago and the road is blocked.

Hopefully, it's not another murder.

baldbear

I'm not from Limerick but is that near Moyross, excuse my ignorance.

I just heard on Newstalk armed gardai have shot a man in Moyross after he robbed a car with a baby in the back seat. Maybe it's linked?

Insect Overlord

http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0120/limerick.html

"Shots fired during Limerick car chase"

An investigation is under way in Limerick after a number of shots were fired by a member of the Regional Armed Support Unit this morning.
The armed officer was involved in a pursuit of a stolen car that failed to stop and attempted to ram gardaí. The driver, aged in his early 30s, has been arrested.

um7y1h83ge06nx

Always good to see a report like this.

Let's the criminals know that armed units will open fire if they feel it is justified.

rubensni

Wow:
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2011/0120/breaking33.html

donutheadhomer

wow


The man, who was wearing a bullet-proof vest, was not injured. He was arrested and is being held under Section 4 of the Criminal Justice Act at Henry Street Garda station.

SupraSonic_26

thats nuts more bad images of limerick.

JerryHandbag

Was on the radio that he actually let the child out of the car before he took off in it, so at least he had some semblance of a brain...

Edit: Hmmm. Just read that link above, different story to the way the news told it.

AnCapaillMor

Laurie Great Grit wrote: »

Always good to see a report like this.

Let's the criminals know that armed units will open fire if they feel it is justified.

Yeah just wait for there to be outrage at the firing of a shot and expect a mullti million euro tribunal condeming the gardai for firing shots at a dangerous criminal.

phog

Wow, that's a shocking story and must leave an awful mark on the family involved.

TheWarrior

Its a pity they didn't get him with a head shot.

munstergirl

Glad all ended well, and kids are not hurt. Well done to the gardai.

Have to say its just stupid to leave keys in car with engine running. Kids or no kids in car. Its like an invitation to car thief, please steal my car.

rubensni

9:15! Is this a record? I don't expect to see scumbags up and around until at least 11:30.

seachto7

why do you leave your kids in the car, leave it running, and go into a shop?
Seriously........:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

caseyann

seachto7 wrote: »

why do you leave your kids in the car, leave it running, and go into a shop?
Seriously........:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Because this is Ireland not USA or Brazil or Africa.The last thing any parent expects is their children's lives to be in danger from a gun yielding lunatic,getting in the car and driving off with any of your children in the car.


Looks like Ireland has no longer immunity from that **** either

Conor Bourke

caseyann wrote: »

Because this is Ireland not USA or Holland or Brazil or Africa.The last thing any parent expects is their children's lives to be in danger from a gun yielding lunatic,getting in the car and driving off with any of your children in the car.


Looks like Ireland has no longer immunity from that **** either

I know that a gun-toting criminal is the last thing you expect to encounter when you pop down to the shop but when was it ever safe to leave kids unattended in a car with the keys in the ignition?!
Kids are inquisitive and playful and don't realise the consequences of their actions- what if they tried to turn on the car just for the craic and it rolled forward into someone/thing?

I'm not for one minute trying to say that the parent deserved this ordeal but seriously, a drop of cop on would go a long way!

caseyann

Alaskimo-cake wrote: »

I know that a gun-toting criminal is the last thing you expect to encounter when you pop down to the shop but when was it ever safe to leave kids unattended in a car with the keys in the ignition?!
Kids are inquisitive and playful and don't realise the consequences of their actions- what if they tried to turn on the car just for the craic and it rolled forward into someone/thing?

I'm not for one minute trying to say that the parent deserved this ordeal but seriously, a drop of cop on would go a long way!

Yeah i am sure she will be thinking that from now on.But yes you can leave keys in car.Parents know how their own kids are and whether or not they will touch the car.I would assume she wouldnt have left them other wise.My sister leaves hers in the car all the time sometimes with keys in ignition for the car to stay heated for the kids.That woman might have literally ran into the shop or to a atm machine.And people dont normally approach cars with kids or people in them full stop.
She did nothing wrong.If she left the 2 year old and 9 year old unsupervised in the car then thats a different story.

I am happy the children were unharmed thank god.
And one other thing might come out of that,people wont leave young babies and kids alone in cars.That annoys me,especially when they cant see them.

Conor Bourke

caseyann wrote: »

Yeah i am sure she will be thinking that from now on.But yes you can leave keys in car.Parents know how their own kids are and whether or not they will touch the car..

I'm sorry but I don't buy that. My siblings and I were reasonably well behaved as kids but both my brothers had very near misses with my mum's car when she left the keys in it, even though both of them were mostly sensible as kids. Curiosity got the better of them and scared the bejaysus outta them so they never did it again but it happened and it continues to happen, I'm sure.

This is completely off topic and I'm not going to comment any further so I'll finish by reiterating that I find it inexcusable to leave children in a car with keys in the ignition.

Henry Ford III

caseyann wrote: »

....My sister leaves hers in the car all the time sometimes with keys in ignition for the car to stay heated for the kids....

She might want to rethink that, or perhaps brings the kids into the shop?

um7y1h83ge06nx

I wonder will this incident encourage specialist units to use the MP7 more? They have it so why not use it. No point in risking loss of life by using under-powered weapons.

I presume it was a semi-automatic handgun that was used as the MP7 should have penetrated the body armour, unless it was very heavy armour.

langdang

Laurie Great Grit wrote: »

I presume it was a semi-automatic handgun that was used as the MP7 should have penetrated the body armour, unless it was very heavy armour.

armour and a laminated windscreen? just wondering like, I know eff all bout these things...

um7y1h83ge06nx

True.

Be interesting from a sort of academic point of view what weapon was used.

Here's the spec of the penetrator round for the MP7.

# penetration at 50 m: mild steel plate 9 mm thickness
# penetration at 200 m: CRISAT NATO target (1.6 mm titanium plate + 20 layers of Kevlar)

Just a little scary that he wasn't brought down. If he had a gun things could have ended tragically.

Henry Ford III

Laurie Great Grit wrote: »

I wonder will this incident encourage specialist units to use the MP7 more? They have it so why not use it. No point in risking loss of life by using under-powered weapons.

I presume it was a semi-automatic handgun that was used as the MP7 should have penetrated the body armour, unless it was very heavy armour.

Maybe they fired and missed, or just shot out the tyres?

caseyann

Henry Ford III wrote: »

She might want to rethink that, or perhaps brings the kids into the shop?

I would say after that,she will be rethinking it for sure.

langdang

To be honest, I'd say if they hit him they'd serve out the rest of their days filling out forms for the ombudsman justifying the use of the weapon against such a fine upstanding member of the community. They are probably instructed to fire warning or non-fatal shots unless they apply for written permission for a fatal shot.

caseyann

Henry Ford III wrote: »

Maybe they fired and missed, or just shot out the tyres?

Another question what was he doing wearing a bullet proof vest for?

Henry Ford III

caseyann wrote: »

Another question what was he doing wearing a bullet proof vest for?

A few of the bogeys wear these routinely apparently.

caseyann

Henry Ford III wrote: »

A few of the bogeys wear these routinely apparently.

I would have thought anyone who is a bogey,would have the criminal sense not to rob a car with kids in it.Unless already running away from scene of a crime?

um7y1h83ge06nx

Henry Ford III wrote: »

Maybe they fired and missed, or just shot out the tyres?

True. Just scary to think some lad could randomly be walking around with body armour.

Amazotheamazing

caseyann wrote: »

I would have thought anyone who is a bogey,would have the criminal sense not to rob a car with kids in it.Unless already running away from scene of a crime?

It's a strange crime for seemingly a casual oppurtunistic crime. He must have realised once there was still a kid in the car everything would be done to find the car. Far easier cars to steal you'd think.

Oh well, he'll be going back to prison and off the streets for another spell, hard lines.

bullets

caseyann wrote: »

Another question what was he doing wearing a bullet proof vest for?

Status Symbol for Criminals. I reckon they parade about with them
Probably thinking I'm so hard and dangerous people are out to get me
and I need to wear this all of the time type of thing.

They're not hard to get when you can buy them legally
within Ireland. Would love one for absolutely no reason whatsoever
other than "because I can" excuse
http://gotactical.ie/category.php?id_category=107


~B

langdang

The "boyz" probably have better vests than the regular boys in blue, their ones are bulky sweaty cheap yokes apparently. The ARU probably have decent ones.

caseyann

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

It's a strange crime for seemingly a casual oppurtunistic crime. He must have realised once there was still a kid in the car everything would be done to find the car. Far easier cars to steal you'd think.

Oh well, he'll be going back to prison and off the streets for another spell, hard lines.

It is indeed very strange occurrence.
Lets hope for a change the actual charges are inline with actually happened.Threating children,kidnapping,putting the life of a child in danger and driving dangerously also carjacking.And run them one after the other,rather then incorporating them into one sentence :rolleyes: As if they are selling a bargain in a furniture store.
Have we even got a set amount of years for car jacking rather then car theft.

Henry Ford III

caseyann wrote: »

I would have thought anyone who is a bogey,would have the criminal sense not to rob a car with kids in it.Unless already running away from scene of a crime?

The really bad ones have no respect for life or property. Sense doesn't even enter the equation.

Kess73

caseyann wrote: »

Because this is Ireland not USA or Holland or Brazil or Africa.The last thing any parent expects is their children's lives to be in danger from a gun yielding lunatic,getting in the car and driving off with any of your children in the car.


Looks like Ireland has no longer immunity from that **** either

Actually it is the third or fourth time a car with a kid still in it has been taken in Munster in the last 12 months. In each case a parent ran into a shop leaving the keys and kid in the car parked outside.

It happened twice in county Tipperary last year with the most recent of them being the little child that was in a car that was taken in Thurles and found in Nenagh if my memory serves correct.

Think there was a similar case somewhere in the Newport neck of the woods with a car taken with a kid in the back.

caseyann

bullets wrote: »

Status Symbol for Criminals. I reckon they parade about with them
Probably thinking I'm so hard and dangerous people are out to get me
and I need to wear this all of the time type of thing.

They're not hard to get when you can buy them legally
within Ireland. Would love one for absolutely no reason whatsoever
other than "because I can" excuse
http://gotactical.ie/category.php?id_category=107


~B

Good username in relation to the wish you have
Sad pathetic life they lead thinking that is something to be proud of.

Henry Ford III wrote: »

The really bad ones have no respect for life or property. Sense doesn't even enter the equation.

The really bad ones arent trying to be noticed in the sense of taking a car that will be noticed right away, especially with a child still in the car.
For Ireland crime wise that is one of the most bizarre ones i ever heard of.
I know they have no respect for life no ones,but i do know they are not thick enough to rob a car with people in it so they are already on the radar.
He sounds like an odd ball.

R P McMurphy

I'm not for one minute trying to say that the parent deserved this ordeal but seriously, a drop of cop on would go a long way!

Would agree, should never leave kids unsupervised in a car. Only takes an instant for a serious disaster to occur.

caseyann

Kess73 wrote: »

Actually it is the third or fourth time a car with a kid still in it has been taken in Munster in the last 12 months. In each case a parent ran into a shop leaving the keys and kid in the car parked outside.

It happened twice in county Tipperary last year with the most recent of them being the little child that was in a car that was taken in Thurles and found in Nenagh if my memory serves correct.

Think there was a similar case somewhere in the Newport neck of the woods with a car taken with a kid in the back.

Really i recall only one occasion and that was some teenager who didnt see a child in the car and drove off.But never knew of others Thats disgusting.
What is wrong with Ireland today.
What was it the old school bosses said in a quote once.
Something along the lines of" we will be considered pussy cats to the future criminals in Ireland".They dont know how right they were.
If i recall was the general who said that.

seachto7

caseyann wrote: »

Because this is Ireland not USA or Holland or Brazil or Africa.The last thing any parent expects is their children's lives to be in danger from a gun yielding lunatic,getting in the car and driving off with any of your children in the car.


Looks like Ireland has no longer immunity from that **** either

I disagree with you. I don't leave my house unlocked for a reason. I have heard this happen before (recently) in Dublin, pretty much the same scenario as what happened earlier, except it was in a petrol station.

I only saw a woman do it last week in a shop in Raheen. She went into the shop and left the kids in the car. I could easily have been a psycho paedo in the car opposite waiting to pounce, but she didn't take that into account....

To be honest, leaving your car running and going into a shop is stupid enough, but leaving your kids in it takes it to another level.

This wasn't an auld country shop we were talking about with nobody around except the shop owners dog. It was in a built up area, which was busy apparently...

Maybe she was late for work and had no time to turn off the car engine and bring the kids into the shop. Maybe she just couldn't be bothered doing it. Maybe.....

But she'll have learned her lesson the hard way anyways....

bullets

caseyann wrote: »

Good username in relation to the wish you have

I could be bullets proof! :pac::pac::pac:

~B

seachto7

I see Yahoo news post some bullsh*t headline and a half cooked story. Pr1cks.

kilburn

caseyann wrote: »

Really i recall only one occasion and that was some teenager who didnt see a child in the car and drove off.But never knew of others Thats disgusting.
What is wrong with Ireland today.
What was it the old school bosses said in a quote once.
Something along the lines of" we will be considered pussy cats to the future criminals in Ireland".They dont know how right they were.
If i recall was the general who said that.

It was actually the Dunne scum in Dublin that made the quote and it was
"if you think we are bad, wait till you see what is coming after us."

At the risk of a reprimand here, but I personally would have handed the Garda in question his medal of valour if he had went for a head shot. When the Gardai start taking a few more of these scumbags out they wont be as bravado.

kilburn

seachto7 wrote: »

I see Yahoo news post some bullsh*t headline and a half cooked story. Pr1cks.

Just saw that a bit dramatic alright

Conor Bourke

seachto7 wrote: »

I see Yahoo news post some bullsh*t headline and a half cooked story. Pr1cks.

Any link?

wylo

Am I the only the one who thinks that leaving a 12 year old and a 9 year old in a car is standard enough thing if your literally running in to the shop for a minute? Maybe not the 3 year, but under supervision of the other 2 maybe?
Seriously like, a 12 year old is border line secondary school/babysitter age.
I dont think she should be slated at all for leaving them there. I remember waiting in cars for 5 mins here and there when I was young(and believe me my mother is a worrier)

445279.ie

I can understand leaving them in the car, it's the engine running is what I find alarming :eek:

seachto7

Alaskimo-cake wrote: »

Any link?

It was on page 1 news, and had some headline "gardai shoot at hijacked car with kids inside", then went on to contradict what they has as a head line

Here is the story though:

"Armed gardai opened fire after a man hijacked a car which had three children inside waiting for their mother."

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/21/20110120/tuk-police-shoot-at-hijacked-vehicle-e1cd776.html

Grumpypants

wylo wrote: »

Am I the only the one who thinks that leaving a 12 year old and a 9 year old in a car is standard enough thing if your literally running in to the shop for a minute? Maybe not the 3 year, but under supervision of the other 2 maybe?
Seriously like, a 12 year old is border line secondary school/babysitter age.
I dont think she should be slated at all for leaving them there. I remember waiting in cars for 5 mins here and there when I was young(and believe me my mother is a worrier)

Leaving them in the car fine, leaving them in a car with the engine running is mental. What happens if they are fighting over the radio or climbing around like kids do and one knocked it into gear and it shot off into a pedestrian walking by?

seachto7

wylo wrote: »

Am I the only the one who thinks that leaving a 12 year old and a 9 year old in a car is standard enough thing if your literally running in to the shop for a minute? Maybe not the 3 year, but under supervision of the other 2 maybe?
Seriously like, a 12 year old is border line secondary school/babysitter age.
I dont think she should be slated at all for leaving them there. I remember waiting in cars for 5 mins here and there when I was young(and believe me my mother is a worrier)

I feel bad leaving a dog in a car. Leaving young kids in a car like that is wrong in my opinion. Leaving them in it with the engine running is just plain thick.
Some people shouldn't be allowed have children.

phog

Are we so acustomed to crime that when a story breaks of a serious crime that it descends into how can the innocent party be so foolish to have allowed it happen? :eek:

caseyann

I still dont get how we know she left the engine running.Did i miss that in the news report?