Big Fat Gypsy Wedding

undergroundeye

This is the one to watch, no question about it.
Where did it all come from????

smares

It's only on a few minutes and im not sure if im shocked or amused by everything the size of the dresses,the colours,the age they get married,the whole grabbing thing(which is a bit strange)

Anyone else watching?

Basq

Two threads posted within seconds of each other merged!

Stench Blossoms

This is unreal.

The brides dress is 5 stone!

Speedsie

Yeah, and the girl's first communion dress weighed twice as much as she did - and had 500 metres of netting!!!!

Swampy

A trait that they look for in a husband?.. one that did not beat me.

Crazy stuff.

Corruptedmorals

Ah missed it, very similar programme on tv3 a while ago though...about how they all have scars on their hips from wearing the dresses and have to walk down the aisle single file. Crazy stuff.

barryd09

if its anything like the previous series it'll be hilarious.

whens it repeated does anyone know?

ronnie3585

barryd09 wrote: »

whens it repeated does anyone know?

It's on 4oD.

Richard Dower

All of you should be ASHAMED for watching such trash!!!....now go watch some quality.
Agora is an utterly SUPERB movie!!

Richard Dower

Richard Dower wrote: »

All of you should be ASHAMED for watching such trash!!!....now go watch some quality.
Agora is an utterly SUPERB movie!!

Quality TV such as that which you love Richard...;)

You know intelligent, well written shows such as....

JP Liz V1

Some of the brides looked about 12 years old

irishh_bob

no expense spared at the tinker weddings , the best that benefits can buy

Das Kitty

It made me a bit sad for the girls tbh. They have little or no say on who they will marry or when. The pair last night were still kids themselves. The poor 15 year old girl being "grabbed" was terrible.

The clothes are just astonishing though.

MargeS

I don't understand the contradiction between them being very religious (good Catholics) and yet the girls go around dressed provocatively and sit in the churches half naked.
You're supposed to dress respectfully in the church, not have your boobs hanging out.

It wasn't that long ago when women had to cover their heads in church. The 'grabbing' thing was just awful. That poor girl was terrified. I thought travellers had more respect for their women!

ScrubsfanChris

MargeS wrote: »

h. The 'grabbing' thing was just awful. That poor girl was terrified. I thought travellers had more respect for their women!

When the narrator asked her to describe grabbing, you could see in her face she was starting to tear up and almost cry.

The line "buying homeware for their future caravan" was funny though

User Friendly

Grabbing,from what i could gather was just a playful way of a young male gypsy or was it traveler to show the young girls that he liked her.
There was no harm in it,does anyone think that families would allow their daughters to be hurt? i dont think so.

As for the poster who called them tinkers.......shame on you.It showed one of the grooms had a job last night,but you didnt see that did you? i cant recall what the other one worked at.

MargeS.......where were the catholics last night? from what i could see,it was a vicar that married swanley and whatever her name was.
Those girls shown last night have more morals than most other settled girls their age.

P Liz V1 Some of the brides looked about 12 years old...... you mean some of the wedding goers.... one of the brides was 21.

Das Kitty

The grabbing is not about hurting the girl, it's about claiming her. Depending on her family's strictness she is obliged to marry him. Even if she doesn't her chances of another man wanting her are very much reduced. So fun it is not.

User Friendly

Luckily for me i have it recorded,so i watched the explanation again.

If anyone has any doubts what grabbing is.......... go to Chanel 4 and listen to the explanation given by the 15yr old girl about 6 mins in,the narrator asks her what grabbing is.

Maddison

I do have a lot of repect for the travelling community but some of their traditions are quite bizarre & cave man like-this 'grabbing' very much sounds like being clubbed over the head & dragged back to the cave.

BlaasForRafa

irishh_bob wrote: »

no expense spared at the tinker weddings , the best that thieving/benefits can buy

Just corrected your post there

User Friendly

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

Just corrected your post there

ffs.

i feel sorry for you.

Plug

Some of them traveller girls are deadly!

Stench Blossoms

I'd never heard of this 'grabbing' thing before.

That girl looked like she was going to cry when she was describing it.

Nuvari

The understanding of religious is an assumptive argument – Travellers are individuals and are therefore open to the possibilities of a unique and personal relationship with Deity. Shows such as this does little to aid the understanding that the community is far more diverse then the media image portrays.

“Grabbing” is thankfully rare in Ireland and now mostly exists in England, though I have heard of isolated cases here in the north and in Dublin. In many cases (but not all) it can be unwanted physical contact and regardless of the tradition those incidents can easily be seen as an attack. In most cases it is the moderedly strict families that it happens to, otherwise a young female would not be allowed to socialise unaccopanied by a male family member.


The show seems to negate the understanding that such practices are not uni formal within the community, depending largely on the lineages and circumstances of the families involved. It is certainly not an aspect of tradition that I or my family have inherited.

funkyouup

User Friendly wrote: »

ffs.

i feel sorry for you.

Not as sorry as i feel for you.

Stench Blossoms

Nuvari wrote: »

The understanding of religious is an assumptive argument – Travellers are individuals and are therefore open to the possibilities of a unique and personal relationship with Deity. Shows such as this does little to aid the understanding that the community is far more diverse then the media image portrays.

“Grabbing” is thankfully rare in Ireland and now mostly exists in England, though I have heard of isolated cases here in the north and in Dublin. In many cases (but not all) it can be unwanted physical contact and regardless of the tradition those incidents can easily be seen as an attack. In most cases it is the moderedly strict families that it happens to, otherwise a young female would not be allowed to socialise unaccopanied by a male family member.


The show seems to negate the understanding that such practices are not uni formal within the community, depending largely on the lineages and circumstances of the families involved. It is certainly not an aspect of tradition that I or my family have inherited.

Slightly off topic, but something I've always wanted to know. As portrayed by many of these shows, travelling women must not have sex before marriage. But is it the same for men?

discodiva92

Is there a difference between Irish travellers and English gyspys?

Because they seemed alot more respectable than any travellers i have met/dealt iwth in Ireland

Swampy

The girls are also not allowed booze before getting married.

irishh_bob

MargeS wrote: »

I don't understand the contradiction between them being very religious (good Catholics) and yet the girls go around dressed provocatively and sit in the churches half naked.
You're supposed to dress respectfully in the church, not have your boobs hanging out.

It wasn't that long ago when women had to cover their heads in church. The 'grabbing' thing was just awful. That poor girl was terrified. I thought travellers had more respect for their women!

i dont understand the contradiction of them being very religous and yet a huge percentage of them are involved in criminality of some kind

irishh_bob

Maddison wrote: »

I do have a lot of repect for the travelling community but some of their traditions are quite bizarre & cave man like-this 'grabbing' very much sounds like being clubbed over the head & dragged back to the cave.

you have a lot of respect for the travelling community :eek: , what an extrordinary statement in itself

BlaasForRafa

irishh_bob wrote: »

you have a lot of respect for the travelling community :eek: , what an extrordinary statement in itself

Sure they're always handy when you need a new set of gates.

ejmaztec

I saw a couple of weeks ago that the happy bride from the previous programme is now back home with her parents.

irishh_bob

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

Sure they're always handy when you need a new set of gates.

or a spot of tarmacadam on your driveway:rolleyes:

User Friendly

ejmaztec wrote: »

I saw a couple of weeks ago that the happy bride from the previous programme is now back home with her parents.

Whats your point or is that the story?

ejmaztec

User Friendly wrote: »

Whats your point or is that the story?

I'm just adding interesting information to the mix.

Stench Blossoms

ejmaztec wrote: »

I saw a couple of weeks ago that the happy bride from the previous programme is now back home with her parents.

Have you got a source for this?

Owen

The young blonde girl Cheyenne didn't look, or sound anything like a Traveller. I did find the whole grabbing thing a bit scary TBH - it was borderline sexual/mental abuse. Even scarier is that they leave school at 11 ...

Throught the Groom though was sound enough - seemed to have a good personality about him, not your stereotypical (Maybe over stereotyped) Traveller.

colinod0806

PaintDoctor wrote: »

The young blonde girl Cheyenne didn't look, or sound anything like a Traveller. I did find the whole grabbing thing a bit scary TBH - it was borderline sexual/mental abuse. Even scarier is that they leave school at 11 ...

Throught the Groom though was sound enough - seemed to have a good personality about him, not your stereotypical (Maybe over stereotyped) Traveller.

it was hilarious him referring to the other wedding as a 'paki wedding' and then having to ask the camera man whats a non-racist way to say it:pac:

ejmaztec

Stench Blossoms wrote: »

Have you got a source for this?

It had to be in the rag of all rags, didn't it?:D


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1325602/Joan-Furey-files-divorce-year-marriage-8-months-pregnant.html

My big fat gypsy divorce: A year after her OTT wedding, C4's unlikely documentary star Joan finds herself without a husband and eight months pregnant

Stench Blossoms

ejmaztec wrote: »

It had to be in the rag of all rags, didn't it?:D


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1325602/Joan-Furey-files-divorce-year-marriage-8-months-pregnant.html

That's not the girl that was in the show that was aired the other day. She's probably be on one of the next episodes.

funkyouup

Stench Blossoms wrote: »

That's not the girl that was in the show that was aired the other day. She's probably be on one of the next episodes.

No, she was in an episode of it last year.

Tchaikovsky

colinod0806 wrote: »

it was hilarious him referring to the other wedding as a 'paki wedding' and then having to ask the camera man whats a non-racist way to say it:pac:

Then he said 'Indians'

vinchick

The whole "grabbing" thing was really disturbing. That poor girl was visibly upset and she had to go ah well it's just the way. Absolutely horrible, I know what I would have done to any little sh1te who tried that with me.

goat2

they spare no expense on the preperations for the weddings, i watched it, did they say the price of that bridal dress and the bridesmaids dresses, the girl was leaving a lovely large home to move into a mobile home, the mobile home was small as far as mobile homes go, the girls were beautiful looking and well reared, the travelling people really do bring their children to good standards. we could learn from them

User Friendly

goat2 wrote: »

they spare no expense on the preperations for the weddings, i watched it, did they say the price of that bridal dress and the bridesmaids dresses, the girl was leaving a lovely large home to move into a mobile home, the mobile home was small as far as mobile homes go, the girls were beautiful looking and well reared, the travelling people really do bring their children to good standards. we could learn from them

well said.

AlmightyCushion

goat2 wrote: »

they spare no expense on the preperations for the weddings, i watched it, did they say the price of that bridal dress and the bridesmaids dresses, the girl was leaving a lovely large home to move into a mobile home, the mobile home was small as far as mobile homes go, the girls were beautiful looking and well reared, the travelling people really do bring their children to good standards. we could learn from them

We could learn from them? They take their kids out of education at the age of 11, the girls get a boyfriend when one of them basically forces themselves on her and then the girls are left to take care of the house and if they realise that they married the wrong person for whatever reason. Tough titties, divorce isn't tolerated.

goat2

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

We could learn from them? They take their kids out of education at the age of 11, the girls get a boyfriend when one of them basically forces themselves on her and then the girls are left to take care of the house and if they realise that they married the wrong person for whatever reason. Tough titties, divorce isn't tolerated.

i dont mean that, it is the way the girls behave when out, i disagree with this rough behaviour of the young fellows grabbing it is not nice, i do not beleive in children being taken out of education and the woman being the one at home doing all, but it was the fourteen fifteen yr olds who seemed to be supervised

S.M.B.

But it's not good morals that bring about this behaviour. It's fear.

Get a bad reputation and you're future life is more than likely severely hampered.

TheIrishGrover

Richard Dower wrote: »

All of you should be ASHAMED for watching such trash!!!....now go watch some quality.
Agora is an utterly SUPERB movie!!

BWHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH. Cheeky bugger. Of all people!

claddagh1981

aw im hooked trash tv or I cant help it!! :eek: