Would you ever kill yourself?

TeddyTedson

Under what circumstances would you kill yourself?
If I was drowning in the Atlantic I'd much prefer just to put a bullet through my head I think. Or if I was buried alive. Or maybe if I was dying from a slow painful disease I'd prefer to take the easy way out and take a cyanide pill.
Should assisted suicide be legalised?

kfallon

From the thread title I thought this was gonna be about going on a night out without having 'roughed up the suspect' beforehand!!!

CreepingDeath

9/11 Situation.

Trapped in a building about to be burnt to death.

Sykk

I spent the last 2 hours reading the "Pictures that shook the world" thread. I think I need to leave this place

Stercus Accidit

TeddyTedson wrote: »

Should assisted suicide be legalised?

Yes, everyone should have ownership of their own life, not society. There needs to be ways to protect the vulnerable, but there should be a mechanism by which you can legally end your life when you are incapable of ending it yourself, dying of a terminal, humiliating, misereable illness or similar situation. If ever I get an early diagnosis of something along those lines, I will be buying a gun or some prepared cocktail of drugs so that the squemishness of the state doesn't prevent me from chosing when and how my own life ends.

TeddyTedson

CreepingDeath wrote: »

9/11 Situation.

Trapped in a building about to be burnt to death.

Well a lot of them jumped didn't they. I wonder how this is seen by Christians who believe people who commit suicide don't go to heaven, or is this a myth?

stovelid

Is it just me or is AH intellectually analogous to a llift rapidly plummeting down a shaft at the moment?

kev9100

TeddyTedson wrote: »

Well a lot of them jumped didn't they. I wonder how this is seen by Christians who believe people who commit suicide don't go to heaven, or is this a myth?

I'm not a believer tbh, but I think only extremists think that.

hondasam

Suicide affects the family who are left to deal with the aftermath. While the person who makes the decision to die might think the are doing the right thing there is always another option.

Stercus Accidit

stovelid wrote: »

Is it just me or is AH intellectually analogous to a llift rapidly plummeting down a shaft at the moment?

Just you, how high do you think the lift started? Maybe a ground floor lift plumeting into some resident evil style underground complex.

seamus

Eternal optimist here tbh. In an emergency situation I think I would hold onto hope until I died of whatever it was. Such as the burning building, I'd probably search for every possible exit route, including rushing through the fire if necessary.
It would also depend on why I'm doomed to death I guess. Bomb about to go off? Well, nothing to be done. Fire? I'll pass out from the fumes and suffocate, so breath deep.

Mint Sauce

If I ever get alzheimers. Visited one of my Grans neighbours a few weeks ago along with my gran and mum, she knew my gran, asked a couple of times who my mum was, asked many times who I was. Her husband had the TV on, she thought the people on it were friends/family.

Last seen her a few months ago, similar situation, although had a better idea who we all were.

She seemed content with her situation, she was offering us all food/sweets, as she always did when people whould call, she was asking me how was work, and if I was still living in the same place, asking my gran about different people they knew, so she still had some recolection. But it was very heart breaking thing to see and left her house a little moved.

Sanjuro

TeddyTedson wrote: »

Under what circumstances would you kill yourself?
If I was drowning in the Atlantic I'd much prefer just to put a bullet through my head I think. Or if I was buried alive. Or maybe if I was dying from a slow painful disease I'd prefer to take the easy way out and take a cyanide pill.
Should assisted suicide be legalised?

There is nothing easy about cyanide. Apparently is absolute agony.

I'm dying to know the situation you find yourself stuck in the middle of the Atlantic with no floatation device, but somehow, a gun. Ditto being buried alive with a gun.

Rodin

The only problem is life insurance won't pay out in the case of suicide I would have thought

My name is URL

TeddyTedson wrote: »

Well a lot of them jumped didn't they. I wonder how this is seen by Christians who believe people who commit suicide don't go to heaven, or is this a myth?

Who the feck cares what some god-fearing idiots thought about it? I'm sure those who decided to jump had more pressing things on their minds than whether or not they'd be granted access to heaven.

Should assisted suicide be legalised?

Only with very strict rules on who can avail of it, imo. It would be a bit of a backwards step for science if anyone diagnosed with cancer had the choice to end their life instead of availing of treatments.

Rodin

Sanjuro wrote: »

There is nothing easy about cyanide. Apparently is absolute agony.

I'm dying to know the situation you find yourself stuck in the middle of the Atlantic with no floatation device, but somehow, a gun. Ditto being buried alive with a gun.

If in the Atlantic I'd shoot down a plane with my gun and use their life raft

Wolfe Tone

No, that would be quitting.

tommyhaas

I dont agree with the concept that suicide is selfish, as a lot of people claim. In order to commit suicide, a person must really be under immence suffering and depression, to the extent that they can see no other way, nor see beyond the implications of what they're doing to those other then themselves.

Personally, its something I could never consider. Like most others, Iv had sh!t times and been depressed as a result although I wouldnt say I ever suffered from depression, generally just the sort of thing you get over after a few days

Latchy

If I was floating in the Pacific I would not want to be circled and toyed around with for 14 hrs or more , by a group of sharks , before being pulled under and devoured ( like that young couple in the movie ) so hopefully I have would a gun handy to take own life or have drowned by then

Edit - crazy as it sounds , I like the option of shooting at a plane to bring it down to get the life rafts

scientific1982

Yes under certain circumstances. There are worse things than death.

TeddyTedson

Sanjuro wrote: »

There is nothing easy about cyanide. Apparently is absolute agony.

I'm dying to know the situation you find yourself stuck in the middle of the Atlantic with no floatation device, but somehow, a gun. Ditto being buried alive with a gun.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfZ30sfjdLY

Kelda09

I really can't see it ever being an option for me. But then again, I've lost a number of people to suicide that I never would have considered would take that action so I guess we never know how things will affect us and how we'll react. On the other hand I have seen people fight for every last day and every last minute trying to cling onto life even though they have terminal illness and are in severe pain.

I would agree with euthenasia however, if it's what somebody wanted and there were rules and guidelines put in place to ensure that the person was capable of making the decision and was not being co-erced etc.

Hmm, all this post has done has made me think.. I havent actually even answered the original question properly... Sorry!!:o

stupidusername

hondasam wrote: »

Suicide affects the family who are left to deal with the aftermath. While the person who makes the decision to die might think the are doing the right thing there is always another option.

Like existing with unbearable physical / emotional pain?

ya cause that's better :rolleyes:

Kelda09

Rodin wrote: »

The only problem is life insurance won't pay out in the case of suicide I would have thought

That has changed in the last couple of years. Not every insurance firm will pay out, but a lot of them will now. However, in a lot of cases it is still not put in as suicide on death certs ie if someone drowns themselves, its put in just as drowning, no mention of suicide, even if it's known it was deliberate. this is for the insurance and also, in a lot of cases for the family's sake as some older generations still feel shame if someone commits suicide.

Kelda09

TeddyTedson wrote: »

Well a lot of them jumped didn't they. I wonder how this is seen by Christians who believe people who commit suicide don't go to heaven, or is this a myth?

The catholic Church has changed regarding this. They are still opposed to it, but it's not a case of going straight to hell for it (ah the good old days of fire an brimstone...) this only happened in the mid ninties as far as I know so relatively recently.

partyatmygaff

I'd never consider it. In an emergency situation i'd rather fight for survival than give up.

newballsplease

A stupid thread which should be closed immediately imo.

partyatmygaff

stupidusername wrote: »

Like existing with unbearable physical / emotional pain?

ya cause that's better :rolleyes:

No one is born with "unbearable physical/emotional pain". The same way someone enters in to depression they can also exit depression. People need to will themselves to remember that there's always another way.

hondasam

stupidusername wrote: »

Like existing with unbearable physical / emotional pain?

ya cause that's better :rolleyes:

you are passing the emotional pain on to your family.

Rodin

partyatmygaff wrote: »

No one is born with "unbearable physical/emotional pain". The same way someone enters in to depression they can also exit depression. People need to will themselves to remember that there's always another way.

How about Locked-in syndrome? What's the way out of that?

stupidusername

partyatmygaff wrote: »

No one is born with "unbearable physical/emotional pain". The same way someone enters in to depression they can also exit depression. People need to will themselves to remember that there's always another way.

I hope you're not applying that to physical illnesses, cause that's just stupid. what about a person that's terminally ill? You'd rather they suffered through months or more of pain and indignity than to say it's ok for them to kill themselves?

So you're saying people with depression who have tried everything and have found no help should just suffer through it?

hondasam wrote: »

you are passing the emotional pain on to your family.

Currently I'm living with my father, I'm bothered that when I move out he'll be lonely, does this mean I can never move out? If I do I'm putting myself first. So am I expected to screw myself over just to make someone else happy?

Mr Benevolent

TeddyTedson wrote: »

Under what circumstances would you kill yourself?
If I was drowning in the Atlantic I'd much prefer just to put a bullet through my head I think.

Your gun wouldn't work. OP, why the hell did you suddenly think about think and what made you think it would be a good Friday evening topic? Are you trying to get people to kill themselves so there's less of a line for you at the Lotto queue?

RichieC

Permanent solution to a temporary problem.

partyatmygaff

Rodin wrote: »

How about Locked-in syndrome? What's the way out of that?

What does suffering from severe neurological damage as a result of a stroke have to do with suicide? The majority of people who develop locked-in syndrome die following four months of the disease's onset.

KeithAFC

Nope. My enemy would have to kill me first..

Stinicker

No, however there a lot of people I would like to kill.

Rodin

partyatmygaff wrote: »

What does suffering from severe neurological damage as a result of a stroke have to do with suicide? The majority of people who develop locked-in syndrome die following four months of the disease's onset.

'People need to will themselves to remember that there's always another way. '
???
No there isn't.
That's grand. Only 4 months locked in. Easy.

It also isn't necessarily caused by a stroke

partyatmygaff

stupidusername wrote: »

I hope you're not applying that to physical illnesses, cause that's just stupid. what about a person that's terminally ill? You'd rather they suffered through months or more of pain and indignity than to say it's ok for them to kill themselves?

Grammar nazism and irony aside...

There is no such thing as a terminally ill person who is guaranteed to die within a set timeframe. The human body is a complex thing and there are still many things that occur within the body that medical science has yet to explain or discover. They will in due course but the more they learn the more they discover they have yet to learn. For example, many cancer survivors had been predicted to die within a few short months yet they continue to live for years and some even go so far as to be completely cured. Never say never is the important thing to remember.

So you're saying people with depression who have tried everything and have found no help should just suffer through it?

Tried everything? There are few problems without a solution. Say someone has a problem. Do they kill the problem or do they kill themselves?

Thomas828

Kill myself? Heck, no way. I love my life just the way it is. I'd have to be in a very bad way indeed to even think of doing myself in. Apart from anything else I don't know for certain what happens after you die and I don't want to find out yet. I'm only 39, you know.

partyatmygaff

Rodin wrote: »

'People need to will themselves to remember that there's always another way. '
???
No there isn't.
That's grand. Only 4 months locked in. Easy.

This thread isn't about euthanasia so stop trying to change the topic. In any case, new treatments are being discovered on a daily basis in medicine. Who is to say that tomorrow a cure won't be discovered? The sufferers of the syndrome did not immediately give up upon discovering they had the syndrome and begged for death. Some died and some began to show signs of recovery. Furthermore there is no way for a locked-in syndrome patient to communicate their wish to die had they even that wish. Those that begin to show signs of recovery enough to communicate would never choose death as to them there is still hope.

minidazzler

Plenty of reasons to kill yourself, there are a few situations where I would top myself rather than suffer or whatever.

Assisted suicide should be legal.

Cook my sock

yeah but i'd probably regret it afterwards.

franklyon

Cook my sock wrote: »

yeah but i'd probably regret it afterwards.

Why? No more cooks to be socked? :P

Tar.Aldarion

Nope, there is no way I couldn't just know that the despair is temporary and I can do whatever I want to go and have fun, start over.

Lumen

From the picture thread...

http://i.imgur.com/Ku6x5.jpg

stupidusername

partyatmygaff wrote: »

Grammar nazism and irony aside...

There is no such thing as a terminally person who is guaranteed to die within a set timeframe. The human body is a complex thing and there are still many things that occur within the body that medical science has yet to explain or discover. They will in due course but the more they learn the more they discover they have yet to learn. For example, many cancer survivors had been predicted to die within a few short months yet they continue to live for years and some even go so far as to be completely cured. Never say never is the important thing to remember.


Tried everything? There are few problems without a solution. Say someone has a problem. Do they kill the problem or do they kill themselves?

*sigh*

I know how to spell because, and even if I didn't it doesn't mean I'm stupid. Heck I could point out your use of 'terminally person' but I won't. :pac:

Whatever the statistics are for the amount of people that are told they've X amount of time to live, and yet live longer, I don't know but I'd guess it's insignificant enough for it to be stupid to say a person should hope that even though they've been told they have this amount of time to live they will live longer.

I'm not even going to bother going into the debate about depression and 'solving' it. My fault for getting into a discussion about a serious topic in AH.

partyatmygaff

stupidusername wrote: »

I'm not even going to bother going into the debate about depression and 'solving' it. My fault for getting into a discussion about a serious topic in AH.

I'm sorry for being a clueless idiot oh knowledgeable one...

If you don't like other people contesting your views then don't bother posting them.

Rodin

partyatmygaff wrote: »

This thread isn't about euthanasia so stop trying to change the topic. In any case, new treatments are being discovered on a daily basis in medicine. Who is to say that tomorrow a cure won't be discovered? The sufferers of the syndrome did not immediately give up upon discovering they had the syndrome and begged for death. Some died and some began to show signs of recovery. Furthermore there is no way for a locked-in syndrome patient to communicate their wish to die had they even that wish. Those that begin to show signs of recovery enough to communicate would never choose death as to them there is still hope.

Firstly you say its by stroke, and it isnt necessarily
Then you say they've no way to communicate - ever heard of 'The diving bell and the butterfly'?

evercloserunion

If it was a matter of making quick and painless what would otherwise be a slow and painful death, like if I was terminally ill or trapped in a fire, then certainly.

Apart from that, I imagine that there might be (very extreme) circumstances where it would be tempting. But when I think of the effect it would have on my loved ones there is no way I would or could do it.

stupidusername

partyatmygaff wrote: »

I'm sorry for being a clueless idiot oh knowledgeable one...

If you don't like other people contesting your views then don't bother posting them.

I have no problem people contesting my views, I would just like to have a rational and intelligent discussion about a topic like this.

And don't try make out like I was calling you stupid, that's what you were doing, not me.

Jehuty42

If there was a way to simply drop dead instantly, painlessly, effortlessly, with 100% efficacy, I would do it right now. Not suicidal or anything, but life is inherently pointless to my mind anyway.