New Audi A6

d2ww

Audi is only producing 3 litre petrols and diesels for the new A6 at the moment. Does anyone know how long before the 2 litre options appear? Seem to recall them doing something similar before.

Hopefully, we should be getting the pricing and specs by the end of the month according to a salesman in Grange Motors.
Thanks in advance.

garhjw

i'd recommend the 3.0TDI. its a great engine. More is better I say!

RedorDead

2.0TDI 177 manual will be available from launch in April. 2.0TDI 177 multitronic available from mid year.

RedorDead

garhjw wrote: »

i'd recommend the 3.0TDI. its a great engine. More is better I say!

The 3.0TDI auto will be in tax band B. A first for a car this size.

Padraig Mor

RedorDead wrote: »

The 3.0TDI auto will be in tax band B. A first for a car this size.

Did I hear that it comes with a CVT though? Think it does in the A7.

d2ww

I don't doubt that the 3.0tdi will be a fine car, I have the 2.5tdi atm and I really appreciate the extra horses under the bonnet. But with a lighter car and increased bhp from the latest 2.0tdi, the performance difference may not justify the extra cash.

Matt Simis

d2ww wrote: »

I don't doubt that the 3.0tdi will be a fine car, I have the 2.5tdi atm and I really appreciate the extra horses under the bonnet. But with a lighter car and increased bhp from the latest 2.0tdi, the performance difference may not justify the extra cash.

The 3.0TDI is light years from the old VAG 2.5TDI. The 2.5TDI is effectively slower than the 2.0TDI of 3 years ago.
Should be night and day.

RedorDead

Padraig Mor wrote: »

Did I hear that it comes with a CVT though? Think it does in the A7.

Yep the 3.0TDI with 204hp comes with the multitronic box. The bigger 3.0TDI with 245 horsies comes with quattro and s-tronic box.

bmw535d

RedorDead wrote: »

2.0TDI 177 manual will be available from launch in April. 2.0TDI 177 multitronic available from mid year.

seems a little low output from a 2011 diesel?

Tea 1000

There's supposed to be a 3 litre Turbo Petrol coming with somewhere in the region of 250 - 300bhp isn't there? That will be probably 10 grand less than the diesel in 5 years time and will make a fine purchase!

bazz26

bmw535d wrote: »

seems a little low output from a 2011 diesel?

Not really, the new 520d has 184bhp.

J77

bazz26 wrote: »

Not really, the new 520d has 184bhp.

No difference in practice really. From a marketing point of view the new A6 has the same bhp as the last gen 520d though. There are definitely people out there that will choose their car based on 7bhp, especially in Ireland! Think about the bragging rights!:D

Fingers still crossed for a twin turbo 3l TDI in the A6! Audi have got one so there's no excuse not to put it in the A6 to compete with the 535d!

Matt Simis

J77 wrote: »

Fingers still crossed for a twin turbo 3l TDI in the A6! Audi have got one so there's no excuse not to put it in the A6 to compete with the 535d!

VAG already have a load of products that obliterate BMW's diesels, just not on the low end (520d) to "upper medium end" (535d)..

VW V10TDI 5.0TDI 313bhp (2004 era)
VW V10TDI 5.0TDI R50 350bhp (2005 era)
Audi V8 4.2TDI 323bhp (2006 era?)
Audi V12 6.0TDI 500bhp (2008 era?)

They are all Twin Turbo Diesels and weigh about the same as a small house.

unkel

RedorDead wrote: »

The 3.0TDI auto will be in tax band B. A first for a car this size.

3l >200BHP in a large executive (automatic) saloon and 137g/km. That's astonishing! Max torque from 1250 rpm, that's incredibly low too! I don't think I've seen that before either.

Not so sure of the CVT in a car like this though but I'll keep an open mind...

J77

Matt Simis wrote: »

VAG already have a load of products that obliterate BMW's diesels, just not on the low end (520d) to "upper medium end" (535d)..

VW V10TDI 5.0TDI 313bhp (2004 era)
VW V10TDI 5.0TDI R50 350bhp (2005 era)
Audi V8 4.2TDI 323bhp (2006 era?)
Audi V12 6.0TDI 500bhp (2008 era?)

They are all Twin Turbo Diesels and weigh about the same as a small house.

Well aware of those engines! There's the new 4.2tdi in the A8. Think it's 350bhp/800nm. None of those are in the A6 anyways!

Their 300bhp twin-turbo 3.0L TDI would be a perfect addition to the new A6 line up!

bmw535d

Matt Simis wrote: »

VAG already have a load of products that obliterate BMW's diesels, just not on the low end (520d) to "upper medium end" (535d)..

VW V10TDI 5.0TDI 313bhp (2004 era)
VW V10TDI 5.0TDI R50 350bhp (2005 era)
Audi V8 4.2TDI 323bhp (2006 era?)
Audi V12 6.0TDI 500bhp (2008 era?)

They are all Twin Turbo Diesels and weigh about the same as a small house.

all of them have a very poor output for their size, well except the v12.
i mean apart from the new 3.0tdi twin turbo from audi, what diesel audi gets near 100bhp per liter? none,where as the 123d and 535d get more than the magical figure that they are racing for(100bhp per liter) bmw's 520d is more powerful than the a6 2.0d,as with the 530d and a6 3.0, and BMW's new 535d is still a bit more powerful that the new 3.0tdi from audi, bmw doesn't make huge diesel engines so your opinion of audi obliterateing bmw's engines is just daft, and its not always about power, name the 2.0 diesel audi that does 75mpg? as the 316 does.

Matt Simis

bmw535d wrote: »

all of them have a very poor output for their size, well except the v12.
i mean apart from the new 3.0tdi twin turbo from audi, what diesel audi gets near 100bhp per liter? none,where as the 123d and 535d get more than the magical figure that they are racing for(100bhp per liter) bmw's 520d is more powerful than the a6 2.0d,as with the 530d and a6 3.0, and BMW's new 535d is still a bit more powerful that the new 3.0tdi from audi, bmw doesn't make huge diesel engines so your opinion of audi obliterateing bmw's engines is just daft, and its not always about power, name the 2.0 diesel audi that does 75mpg? as the 316 does.

Lol you are so easy to bait!
Bhp per litre is a stupid and meaningless stat when discussing petrols, but on Diesel, which already dont equate on a per litre basis to petrol or each other, its absolutely illogical. You may as well be adding up how many par-secs each engine outputs per RPM. You drive on power, not on how much power per litre (or cm2 of metal or BHP per C02). Had our tax been based something other than CC, this concept would seem as silly to you too, but you've been conditioned.

Of course the 535d has it place, remember we had both a V10TDI and a 535d in the family at the same time, I could play with either, but for sheer power, which is basically all I care about (is this a car forum?) on twin turbo engines, a 2003 V10TDI still soundly whoops a 2011 535d, on BHP, which is amusing as the VAG engines are torque tuned (bar the V12, its as "sports" diesel).

Dont dont talk to me about tripe like the MPG on 316, let the peons have their dinkys.

J77

bmw535d wrote: »

all of them have a very poor output for their size, well except the v12.
i mean apart from the new 3.0tdi twin turbo from audi, what diesel audi gets near 100bhp per liter? none,where as the 123d and 535d get more than the magical figure that they are racing for(100bhp per liter) bmw's 520d is more powerful than the a6 2.0d,as with the 530d and a6 3.0, and BMW's new 535d is still a bit more powerful that the new 3.0tdi from audi, bmw doesn't make huge diesel engines so your opinion of audi obliterateing bmw's engines is just daft, and its not always about power, name the 2.0 diesel audi that does 75mpg? as the 316 does.

Yeah but who actually wants a 3 series with ~115bhp. The fuel efficiency comes at a price, not to mention how basic these models are! They're sold to the badge-brigade.

The Audi engine is more powerful.

BMW = 299ps 600nm
Audi = 300ps 650nm

The 1ps is ridiculously negligible but the extra 50nm is just about worth talking about!

RedorDead

J77 wrote: »

Well aware of those engines! There's the new 4.2tdi in the A8. Think it's 350bhp/800nm. None of those are in the A6 anyways!

Their 300bhp twin-turbo 3.0L TDI would be a perfect addition to the new A6 line up!

Strong (cough cough wink wink) rumours that this will find its way into the A6 and A7. 300bhp 3.0TDI biturbo engine.

BTW - the 4.2TDI in the A8 with 350hp is an absolutely mental engine. We gave one to a customer over christmas to assist getting in and out of his drive way and he handed back saying it was quicker than his Maserati.

J77

RedorDead wrote: »

Strong (cough cough wink wink) rumours that this will find its way into the A6 and A7. 300bhp 3.0TDI biturbo engine.

BTW - the 4.2TDI in the A8 with 350hp is an absolutely mental engine. We gave one to a customer over christmas to assist getting in and out of his drive way and he handed back saying it was quicker than his Maserati.

Hopefully they'll be out soon and depreciate like 535ds so I can buy one in 3 or 4 years!

I've heard it's meant to be ridiculously quick alright. I wouldn't mind a play with the mountains of torque it's got! The interior looks great as well.

Matt Simis

J77 wrote: »

Hopefully they'll be out soon and depreciate like 535ds so I can buy one in 3 or 4 years!
I've heard it's meant to be ridiculously quick alright. I wouldn't mind a play with the mountains of torque it's got! The interior looks great as well.

I heard that too. I even heard that with a good remap these A8 4.2TDIs are a straight 5.9sec 0-60 cars too, given the size and "decent" economy, impressive.

RedorDead

Some shots of the car here from the Detroit Motor Show last week.







Think I prefer it in Silver to Red.

-Corkie-

I love red Audis but that red A6 is too much of a thing. I like big german cars in black.

Leonard Hofstadter

Can anyone tell me why the hybrid is so pathetic for fuel economy and CO2 emissions?

A Lexus RX400 is a much heavier and less aerodynmaic car, with a 3.3 litre six cylinder engine rather than a 2.0 litre four cylinder like the A6, and yet it manages to have a lower CO2 figure than the A6?

Anyway, to go back to the issue of the thread - the A6 is the first car in its class to have a much nicer six cylinder engine that can stay in band B - which means that there is absolutely no reason whatsoever to be a cheapskate and order with a common as muck four cylinder engine.

A six cylinder engine by its very nature will be nicer to drive than its four cylinder counterpart - it will also sound more upmarket and will be quieter, and if it is in the exact same VRT and tax band as its four cylinder counterpart then there would want to be something seriously wrong with you to even consider the cheapo poverty spec four cylinder model.

This really is a case of having your cake and eating it.

It just shows you how much progress car makers have made in CO2 emissions reduction, when you consider that in 2011 we have 3.0 litre six cylinder engines in a car the size of an A6 that emit less CO2 than 2.0 litre four cylinder diesel cars the size of the smaller A4 only three years ago. Absolutely stunning stuff.

Leonard Hofstadter

OSI wrote: »

You'll probably find the figures you're reading for emissions and MPG are the American figures, which are measured differently and therefore will throw you off.

The CO2 figure for the A6 hybrid is 142 g/km - that's higher than the Lexus hybrid (139 g/km) but also higher than both the 2.0 TDI and 3.0 TDI (129 and 137 respectively).

Like I say, that's pathetic. They might as well not have bothered. In fact, that's the impression one is left with. The only reason it exists is so that Audi can say they have a hybrid in their line up. It won't sell in Europe, because we like diesel even when the diesel model pollutes substantially more than the hybrid equivalent(and these can't even beat a diesel with two extra cylinders and 50% extra swept volume), and it won't sell outside of Europe, because they expect more from a car that will cost as much as the A6 hybrid is likely to cost than a small capacity four cylinder engine. Markets outside of Europe still like their large capacity six and eight cylinder petrol engines in this size of car. At least when BMW sell their F10 hybrid they are going to sell it with a six cylinder engine, which means it will probably sell well enough for them.

It would be one thing if it was in band C and had a decent sized sweet sounding six cylinder petrol engine with a lot of power(and even then it wouldn't be that spectacular when an equally large non hybrid diesel engine would be better on CO2 and fuel economy and also because of what I said about Lexus - if they can make a six cylinder 3.3 petrol SUV get below 140 g/km, then the least Audi can do is match that in something much lighter and more aerodynamic), but I would have expected a four cylinder petrol hybrid saloon to at worst be just about scrape into band A(i.e. emit 120 g/km or just below that).

Matt Simis

captainspeed wrote: »

A six cylinder engine by its very nature will be nicer to drive than its four cylinder counterpart - it will also sound more upmarket and will be quieter, and if it is in the exact same VRT and tax band as its four cylinder counterpart then there would want to be something seriously wrong with you to even consider the cheapo poverty spec four cylinder model.

This really is a case of having your cake and eating it.

VRT and Motor tax is one thing, but will Audi will want near 10k extra for this 3.0TDI over the 2.0TDI? If they do, it also means that VRT goes up proportionately too.

Leonard Hofstadter

Matt Simis wrote: »

VRT and Motor tax is one thing, but will Audi will want near 10k extra for this 3.0TDI over the 2.0TDI? If they do, it also means that VRT goes up proportionately too.

Surley they won't charge that much?

I know BMW wants an extra €10k if you want to upgrade from a poverty spec 520d to a 525d but that includes a few extras and also the 525d is in band D as opposed to the 520d, which is in band B.

Perhaps a better guide to the likely price premium is provided by the Merc E-class.

To upgrade from the E220 (170 bhp) to the E250 (204 bhp) you pay just €2,250.

Both engines are in band B, the same as the situation with the equivalent A6 models (2.0 TDI and 3.0 TDI 204).

So, I wouldn't be expecting Audi to charge too much more for the larger engined model here - certainly it should not be anywhere near to the price premium for the equivalent BMW models.

RedorDead

captainspeed wrote: »

Surley they won't charge that much?

I know BMW wants an extra €10k if you want to upgrade from a poverty spec 520d to a 525d but that includes a few extras and also the 525d is in band D as opposed to the 520d, which is in band B.

Perhaps a better guide to the likely price premium is provided by the Merc E-class.

To upgrade from the E220 (170 bhp) to the E250 (204 bhp) you pay just €2,250.

Both engines are in band B, the same as the situation with the equivalent A6 models (2.0 TDI and 3.0 TDI 204).

So, I wouldn't be expecting Audi to charge too much more for the larger engined model here - certainly it should not be anywhere near to the price premium for the equivalent BMW models.

A few extras? I wouldnt think a lighting pack and usb connector being worth 10K!! Shocking that for 20 horsepower and two cylinders more they go up two tax bands whilst still being manual.

R.O.R

RedorDead wrote: »

A few extras? I wouldnt think a lighting pack and usb connector being worth 10K!! Shocking that for 20 horsepower and two cylinders more they go up two tax bands whilst still being manual.

From week 11 production USB and Heated Seats become standard in the 520d. Unfortunately there is an approx. 3% price increase on all BMW models due from the 1st April.

Any word on when the A6 pricing and specification will be launched?

RedorDead

Pricing released to dealers on Monday. Irish journalists drove it on Tuesday in Sicily.

2.0TDI 177 SE from 42,500 which is under equivalent 520D SE and E220CDI prices.

First Irish Reviews below:

http://www.completecar.ie/testdrives/article/Audi/A6/A6_saloon/26/603

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/motors/2011/0202/1224288760728.html

http://www.independent.ie/lifestyle/motoring/audi-hoping-to-woo-nations-drivers-with-strong-silent-a6-2521953.html

yasmine12

J77 wrote: »

Yeah but who actually wants a 3 series with ~115bhp. The fuel efficiency comes at a price, not to mention how basic these models are! They're sold to the badge-brigade.

The Audi engine is more powerful.

BMW = 299ps 600nm
Audi = 300ps 650nm

The 1ps is ridiculously negligible but the extra 50nm is just about worth talking about!

Is it also applicable with the new 2011 Audi A6 Brake Pad Set? I am not familiar with that new model, so does it means it is included?

996tt

http://www.autoblog.com/2011/01/10/audi-a6-hybrid-detroit-2011/

Audi quotes an estimated combined fuel economy rating of 38 miles per gallon, noting that the A6 Hybrid can be coaxed up to 62 mph strictly on electricity, and it has a pure-electric range of three kilometers (1.86 miles).

:eek:

bazzachazza

Pricing I got today


Model Code Description Engine Co2 VRT Annual RRP OTRP
CC Combined Band Road Tax Apr 1st Apr 1st

DIESEL
A6 2.0TDI 177HP SE € 156 € 43,300
A6 2.0TDI 177HP S Line 1968 € 156 € 47,050
A6 3.0TDI V6 204HP Multitronic SE € 156 € 51,500
A6 3.0TDI V6 204HP Multitronic S Line € 156 €55,250
A6 3.0TDI V6 204HP quattro S-Tronic SE €302 €54,450
A6 3.0TDI V6 204HP quattro S-Tronic S Line € 302 € 58,200
A6 3.0TDI V6 245HP quattro S-Tronic SE € 447 € 57,700
A6 3.0TDI V6 245HP quattro S-Tronic S Line € 447 €61,450

PETROL
A6 2.8FSI V6 204HP Multitronic SE € 630 € 48,620
A6 2.8FSI V6 204HP Multitronic S Line € 630 € 52,370
A6 2.8FSI V6 204HP quattro S-Tronic SE €630 €51,570
A6 2.8FSI V6 204HP quattro S-Tronic S Line € 630 € 55,320
A6 3.0TFSI V6 300HP quattro S-Tronic SE € 630 € 63,550
A6 3.0TFSI V6 300HP quattro S-Tronic S Line € 630 € 67,300

-Corkie-

Nearly 4k extra for the s-line! How many toys do you get if any??

bazzachazza

-Corkie- wrote: »

Nearly 4k extra for the s-line! How many toys do you get if any??

S Line Adds the following equipment to SE versions for €3750 extra

18" 5 Twin spoke Alloy Wheels, LED rear lights, 3 Spoke S Line sport multifunction steering wheel, Platinum grey front spoiler lip and diffuser insert,
Chrome-plated trims for exhaust tailpipe, S Line badges on the front wings,
Front Sports Seats with embossed S Line logo S Line door sill trims in aluminium, Gear lever knob in black perforated leather S line front and rear sports bumpers, side ventilation grilles, side skirts, Headlight washers S Line spoiler,Headlining in black cloth S Line Sport Suspension (lowered by 10mm)
Inlays in matt brushed aluminium Xenon Lights with LED daytime driving lights
Leather/Alcantara upholstery with embossed S line logo in the front seat backs

The equipment in the S Line model if ordered individually would usually retail for €7580

mickdw

3.0 300bhp petrol with reasonable tax. How many will they sell?

-Corkie-

Rear LED lights were standard on the 09 model but not now? A lot of the stuff there should be standard imo. Sline would be a fantastic car though.

bazzachazza

Xenon headlights and LED rear tail lights the rest is a body kit and alcantara upholstery-leather seats the car is highly spec'd as standard.

bazzachazza

Yeah I was surprised about the LED rear lights myself alright but they also come with the xenon light package for €1600.

YouTookMyName

RedorDead wrote: »

Some shots of the car here from the Detroit Motor Show last week.

Replicas available for all felt spec A4's in time for summer!

opinion guy

Love the aggressive look of that. Whoever is chief designer at Audi must have a cheating spouse because the cars are getting more angry looking with time :P

-Corkie- wrote: »

Rear LED lights were standard on the 09 model but not now? A lot of the stuff there should be standard imo. Sline would be a fantastic car though.

bazzachazza wrote: »

Yeah I was surprised about the LED rear lights myself alright but they also come with the xenon light package for €1600.

I'm not 100% sure but I think you'll find the 2009 ones were LED's, the new ones are LED's + fibreoptics. Have you seen the around ? They look class

-Corkie-

I havent seen one yet. I was looking at carzone there and all they have is 2011 cars in the old/present model..

bazzachazza

None in the country till late this month early next month.

The Audi R8 was setting standards as early as
2008 as the first sports car with all-LED headlights.
Now this special lighting is also available
for the Audi A6 Saloon on request. All-LED headlights not only require less energy than standard
lighting systems, but also provide a brighter light
which is perceived to be much more pleasant.
The dipped beam consists of a distinctive line of
three individual light modules. This makes the
Audi A6 Saloon unmistakable, even at night. The
main beam, daytime running lights and indicators are also made in LED technology. The use of
the same material for all functions makes completely new lighting effects possible. The new
Audi A6 Saloon, therefore, has the right light for
every situation: It has a motorway light which, at
speeds above 110 km/h, automatically almost
doubles the range of the light cone (from approx.
70 m at dipped beam to 120 m with motorway
light). In addition, the A6 Saloon has a combined
daytime running light/indicator light unit and an
all-weather light which makes conventional fog
lights superfluous. The individual LED modules
are skilfully controlled to redistribute the light,
reducing glare from rain or fog.

Conventional light bulbs reach temperatures of up to 300 °C. Due to their sophisticated technology, LED lights are somewhat more sensitive and should not get hotter than 150 °C. Because of the engine, the temperature of the area around the headlights is already around 120 °C. In theory, then, LED headlights would need an additional cooling system to be able to work. However, the Audi engineers did not want to spoil the good low-energy credentials of the LED headlights, so they quickly developed something completely new: a fan which directs heat away from the LED chips. The special feature of this fan is its additional benefit. The high operating temperature of standard bulbs means that they can defrost the headlights, which LEDs cannot. The newly developed fan directs warm air from the LED chips directly to the headlight clear glass cover and thus defrosts it and prevents it from misting up

No mention of fiberoptics in Audi's blurb on the A6.

-Corkie-

That sounds very impressive. I would love to see the sline or better still own one..

bazzachazza

I have been badly tempted and I got a semi thumbs up from the trouble and strife.;)

opinion guy

bazzachazza wrote: »

No mention of fiberoptics in Audi's blurb on the A6.

Fair enough - its what a dealer told me once. All's I can say is the new Audi rear LED's are WAY better looking than the old ones

Matt Simis

bazzachazza wrote: »

None in the country till late this month early next month.

Conventional light bulbs reach temperatures of up to 300 °C. Due to their sophisticated technology, LED lights are somewhat more sensitive and should not get hotter than 150 °C. Because of the engine, the temperature of the area around the headlights is already around 120 °C. In theory, then, LED headlights would need an additional cooling system to be able to work. However, the Audi engineers did not want to spoil the good low-energy credentials of the LED headlights, so they quickly developed something completely new: a fan which directs heat away from the LED chips. The special feature of this fan is its additional benefit. The high operating temperature of standard bulbs means that they can defrost the headlights, which LEDs cannot. The newly developed fan directs warm air from the LED chips directly to the headlight clear glass cover and thus defrosts it and prevents it from misting up

Is that Audi's own copy text? It doesnt read well!

"Something completely new"... they needed to cool something hot so they put a fan on it. Wow, they really know how to think outside the box.
Making the statement that they didnt want to spoil the low energy solution but then throw an active cooling system also doesnt make sense.

The backing panel on the LEDs must be quite big as its hard to visualize 120c around the headlight assembly from mere proximity.

bazzachazza

Yeah copy and paste and an attempt in the post reply window to make it more readable. Its probably a German-English translation jobbie.

I don't imagine many people will buy just because of some techno mumbo jumbo.;)

R.O.R

Ordered one on Saturday (yep - even working the weekends). Called in to the Audi Centre Ballsbridge before heading to the motorshow and met the customer and saleman.

Their first customer order for one and it's due around the 16th April. Just squeezed in to budget a 2.0Tdi SE. Oolong Grey with Velvet Beige interior and upgraded 18" V-Spoke Alloys to make it look a bit different than all the others.

Feedback from my Audi dealers (were in Germany for Product training at the end of last week) is that it's a very, very good car - but then again, they are paid to say that!

RedorDead

-Corkie- wrote: »

That sounds very impressive. I would love to see the sline or better still own one..

Some pics here:

bazzachazza

RedorDead wrote: »

Some pics here:

Bottom picture is from the official sales person launch/training day last week, I was shown a good few pictures yesterday of it. I think I'm sold on it I will have to call in to the launch later this month early next month and see it in the flesh.