I predict that by 2020, liberals will be trying to wipe out all references to gender.

SuperInfinity

I predict that by 2020, you will no longer be allowed to refer to the gender of a person in an official sense.

The precursors to this are all around. Recently they are putting "parent 1" and "parent 2" on passport forms so as not to offend homosexual people.

Because males and females are obviously the EXACT SAME IN EVERY WAY, and having a daddy and a daddy is clearly no different from having a mummy and a daddy. And if you raise questions about it being and describe it as a totally unnatural thing you are branded a NARROW MINDED HOMOPHOBE FROM BACKWARD IRELAND lol.

The reason given for this: Because males and females are the exact same in every way. Nobody should be treated differently based on whether they are a male or female, and if you say that there should be genders, you're sexist.

Why it's a bad thing we should not allow: Because like it or not, genders ARE FUNDAMENTALLY DIFFERENT. And saying "he" or "she" is a natural thing, it is a way of distinguishing people. It's one of those things that can be very hard to explain, so get prepared to be called "sexist" and "narrow-minded" a lot if you try to argue against it...

Of course many people will continue to refer to gender informally, but not in a formal sense. And after a while they'll be considered as "sexists", just like how white people who use the word "****" or even "chinks" are considered racist even if they are just being friendly and "cool" and those people call themselves it.

God I hate liberals, they are such dimwitted fools.

Riamfada

and soylent green will be people?!

Nodin

SuperInfinity wrote: »

I predict that by 2020, you will no longer be allowed to refer to the gender of a person in an official sense.

The precursors to this are all around. Recently they are putting "parent 1" and "parent 2" on passport forms so as not to offend homosexual people.

Because males and females are obviously the EXACT SAME IN EVERY WAY, and having a daddy and a daddy is clearly no different from having a mummy and a daddy. And if you raise questions about it being and describe it as a totally unnatural thing you are branded a NARROW MINDED HOMOPHOBE FROM BACKWARD IRELAND lol.

The reason given for this: Because males and females are the exact same in every way. Nobody should be treated differently based on whether they are a male or female, and if you say that there should be genders, you're sexist.

Why it's a bad thing we should not allow: Because like it or not, genders ARE FUNDAMENTALLY DIFFERENT. And saying "he" or "she" is a natural thing, it is a way of distinguishing people. It's one of those things that can be very hard to explain, so get prepared to be called "sexist" and "narrow-minded" a lot if you try to argue against it...

Of course many people will continue to refer to gender informally, but not in a formal sense. And after a while they'll be considered as "sexists", just like how white people who use the word "****" or even "chinks" are considered racist.

God I hate liberals, they are such dimwitted fools.

....who pissed in your cornflakes though - the liberals?

Spunge

....

Pacing Mule

I predict you're wrong but I'm not going to remember this thread in 2020 so it's all a bit pointless.

Turtyturd

SuperInfinity wrote: »

I predict that by 2020, you will no longer be allowed to refer to the gender of a person in an official sense.

The precursors to this are all around. Recently they are putting "parent 1" and "parent 2" on passport forms so as not to offend homosexual people.

Because males and females are obviously the EXACT SAME IN EVERY WAY, and having a daddy and a daddy is clearly no different from having a mummy and a daddy. And if you raise questions about it being and describe it as a totally unnatural thing you are branded a NARROW MINDED HOMOPHOBE FROM BACKWARD IRELAND lol.

The reason given for this: Because males and females are the exact same in every way. Nobody should be treated differently based on whether they are a male or female, and if you say that there should be genders, you're sexist.

Why it's a bad thing we should not allow: Because like it or not, genders ARE FUNDAMENTALLY DIFFERENT. And saying "he" or "she" is a natural thing, it is a way of distinguishing people. It's one of those things that can be very hard to explain, so get prepared to be called "sexist" and "narrow-minded" a lot if you try to argue against it...

Of course many people will continue to refer to gender informally, but not in a formal sense. And after a while they'll be considered as "sexists", just like how white people who use the word "****" or even "chinks" are considered racist even if they are just being friendly and "cool" and those people call themselves it.

God I hate liberals, they are such dimwitted fools.

Sex is different. Gender can be whatever the hell you want....nice attempt though cracker....I don't mean that offensive I just wanna be cool with you.

Cheap Thrills!

Whatever happened to the word 'Mammy' -what is all this 'Mummy' sh!t that's creeping in?

SuperInfinity

Turtyturd wrote: »

Sex is different. Gender can be whatever the hell you want....nice attempt though cracker....I don't mean that offensive I just wanna be cool with you.

I couldn't care less if you call me a cracker or not. I can't even imagine how I would get offended by it.

Up-n-atom!

....who pissed in your cornflakes though

Bear Gryllis is at it again!

Seriously though, who are these mysterious all powerful liberals of which you speak? Aren't they just a figment of the Daily Mail's imagination?

El Weirdo

What absolute bollocks.

minidazzler

A) Your post is one that an idiot might make, by referring to all liberal minded people as dimwitted.

Bodies are different, but in todays society, both sexes are generally capable of most things the other sex does outside of the physiological side of things.

C) Are you saying 2 gay people can't raise a kid as well as 2 straight people?

OutlawPete

Waitperson

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbhuxWIxTgA

Turtyturd

SuperInfinity wrote: »

I couldn't care less if you call me a cracker or not. I can't even imagine how I would get offended by it.

It a derogatory term for people who post ridiculous things on the internet.

I can't see why anyone would have an issue with parent one and parent two on a passport application form, does it cause you to lose sleep?

Males and females are not the exact same in every way but the differences are biological. You can raise questions about peoples gender but it's is posting stuff like this that will have people consider you a NARROW MINDED HOMOPHOBE FROM BACKWARD IRELAND.

'Why it's a bad thing we should not allow'? Again genders are only fundamentally different ways people are taught to express themselves. Why do you express the need to argue against it?

The last bit just makes you seem like a narrow minded racist from backward Ireland.

First Post

I predict that conservatives will get annoyed at pointless things in 2020 and will have forgotten about what they are annoyed at now.

humberklog

SuperInfinity wrote: »

God I hate liberals, they are such dimwitted fools.

And some conservatives have a lot of hate. Perhaps too much?

Sinfonia

SuperInfinity wrote: »

The precursors to this are all around. Recently they are putting "parent 1" and "parent 2" on passport forms so as not to offend homosexual people.

Here's a better guess at the logic of that situation:

Straight couple:
Parent 1: Tom Jones
Parent 2: Mary Jones

Gay couple:
Parent 1: Tom Jones
Parent 2: Jim Thomas

Ok, that all works...
How about the other situation?

Straight couple:
Father: Tom Jones
Mother: Mary Jones

Gay couple:
Father: Tom Jones
Mother: Jim Thomas

Result: Annoyingly and unneccesarily inconsistent and inacccurate.

In short OP, I'm not even asking you to change your views on homosexuality, I'm just asking you to consider practical logic before ranting about a load of bollocks

Fight_Night

humberklog wrote: »

And some conservatives have a lot of hate. Perhaps too much?

I think we all know where this anger stems from...

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Essay:Do_conservatives_have_small_penises%3F


the facts speaks for themselves

InTheTrees

SuperInfinity wrote: »

I predict that by 2020, you will no longer be allowed to refer to the gender of a person in an official sense....

Of course many people will continue to refer to gender informally, but not in a formal sense.

God I hate liberals, they are such dimwitted fools.

So to review...

You make a nonsensical statement and then proceed to attribute it to "liberals" and then you go on to tell us why that makes you hate liberals...

Given this course I can imagine by 2020 you'll be living under a bridge somewhere ranting to yourself about conspiracies against you.

:P

hatrickpatrick

Why shouldn't the law be gender neutral?

Why should it be ok for one gender to do something but not the other?
Why should one gender get special treatment in some cases but not the other?

We are not "the same". But we ARE supposed to be "equal". As in, we all have to follow the exact same rules and we all receive the exact same penalties for failing to follow them.

Fremen

Don't call them liberals unless you're a yank.
You've confused political correctness with liberalism. Moreover, you've failed to distinguish between economic and social liberalism, economic liberalism being traditionally associated with right-wing parties.

Right-wingers are equally capable of making needless, officious demands. It's a bit juvenile to call people who don't share your opinions "stupid". You should recognise that there are people smarter than yourself on the "other side", but that from your point of view, their ideas are misguided.

What you're doing at the moment is equivalent to writing "Duuuuuuhh.... they're stooooopid".

Fremen

Cheap Thrills! wrote: »

Whatever happened to the word 'Mammy' -what is all this 'Mummy' sh!t that's creeping in?

The rise of the middle class?

LambsEye

This has been touched on in previous posts but OP, are you aware that sex, sexuality and gender are three entirely different classifications?

Sex: Biological differentiation between males and females
Sexuality: Pertaining to sexual preference, gay or straight etc.
Gender: The means in which society and culture perpetuates the differences between masculine and feminine.

Thus: Gender, as opposed to sex and sexuality, is constructed by ideologies and society.

Firstly: Your obvious lack of knowledge on this matter just shows how ignorant and ill-informed your post is, making it in mine and many other's opinions: invalid.

Secondly: Why does this particular issue annoy you so much?
A) Do you live in America, where this is occuring?
Are you the child of a same-sex couple?
C) Are you in a same-sex relationsip?

Or is the answer D?

You're a homophobic blowhard looking to latch on to some event that gives you a platform to spew your bilious crap?

I cannot stand how people who are in no way affected by these issues feel the need to get up on their soapbox and rant and rave.

Ugh.

BigDuffman

SuperInfinity wrote: »

I couldn't care less if you call me a cracker or not. I can't even imagine how I would get offended by it.

The words n!gger and cracker are worlds apart. A cracker is not associated with slavery, oppression and being a second class citizen.

But PC is getting silly. Black boards, lollipop man / lady etc. I hate when people look at you for saying some is black, white or asian.

As in:

you know Mick from acccounts?

Nope

Mick..about 5.8ft with the black hair and blue eyes

still nope

He has a bubbly personality and enjoys the odd office prank

.....

Listens to the beatles a lot and plays table tennis on tuesday

not ringing a bell

He's em...of African Descent

Egyptian Mick?

No..he's not egyptian from somewhere else in Africa

Ah Mick the black guy who sits on the left hand side of the office!

OMG! You cant say that...thats soooo racist..

What.. cant say that he's black?

NOOOO

But he is...same way I'm white and that souless freak over there is ginger

InTheTrees

I'm in the USA and I'd guess the OP is here too. The uneducated use of the word "liberal" is straight from fox news and is used more as a buzzword or insult. Its not necessary that the user understand its meaning.

Hence the confusion it arouses in non-americans as we ponder why someone living in the liberal western world would hate "liberals".

Basically if you hear the word "liberal" being used derogatorily then its probably being used by someone like a sarah palin. Someone of limited learning.

Badgermonkey

SuperInfinity wrote: »

I predict that by 2020, you will no longer be allowed to refer to the gender of a person in an official sense.

The precursors to this are all around. Recently they are putting "parent 1" and "parent 2" on passport forms so as not to offend homosexual people.

Because males and females are obviously the EXACT SAME IN EVERY WAY, and having a daddy and a daddy is clearly no different from having a mummy and a daddy. And if you raise questions about it being and describe it as a totally unnatural thing you are branded a NARROW MINDED HOMOPHOBE FROM BACKWARD IRELAND lol.

The reason given for this: Because males and females are the exact same in every way. Nobody should be treated differently based on whether they are a male or female, and if you say that there should be genders, you're sexist.

Why it's a bad thing we should not allow: Because like it or not, genders ARE FUNDAMENTALLY DIFFERENT. And saying "he" or "she" is a natural thing, it is a way of distinguishing people. It's one of those things that can be very hard to explain, so get prepared to be called "sexist" and "narrow-minded" a lot if you try to argue against it...

Of course many people will continue to refer to gender informally, but not in a formal sense. And after a while they'll be considered as "sexists", just like how white people who use the word "****" or even "chinks" are considered racist even if they are just being friendly and "cool" and those people call themselves it.

God I hate liberals, they are such dimwitted fools.

You're funny.

You're clearly mad but you are funny.

Will you be my crazy Pal?

LambsEye

InTheTrees wrote: »

I'm in the USA and I'd guess the OP is here too. The uneducated use of the word "liberal" is straight from fox news and is used more as a buzzword or insult. Its not necessary that the user understand its meaning.

Hence the confusion it arouses in non-americans as we ponder why someone living in the liberal western world would hate "liberals".

Basically if you hear the word "liberal" being used derogatorily then its probably being used by someone like a sarah palin. Someone of limited learning.

I'm in the states too, and granted New York (where I live,) is not really indicative of the rest of America but I do agree that political correctness has gone a bit far.

It sickens me that the word "liberal," has been subverted into something negative. "Liberal Bias," "Liberal Media" etc. They're using it as an umbrella term to insult everyone who doesn't agree with their hyper-conservative rhetoric.

*When I say "they" I mean Sarah Palin, Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly (or "Satan" as I like to call him,) etc.

ascanbe

I'm glad this issue is finally being addressed in After Hours.
It's about time.

Chips Lovell

SuperInfinity wrote: »

The precursors to this are all around. Recently they are putting "parent 1" and "parent 2" on passport forms so as not to offend homosexual people.

Because males and females are obviously the EXACT SAME IN EVERY WAY, and having a daddy and a daddy is clearly no different from having a mummy and a daddy. And if you raise questions about it being and describe it as a totally unnatural thing you are branded a NARROW MINDED HOMOPHOBE FROM BACKWARD IRELAND lol.

Has it occured to you that it may be a money saving exercise rather than a liberal conspiracy? Instead of having to print three different types of passport, they can now just print one.

SuperInfinity wrote: »

Why it's a bad thing we should not allow: Because like it or not, genders ARE FUNDAMENTALLY DIFFERENT. And saying "he" or "she" is a natural thing, it is a way of distinguishing people. It's one of those things that can be very hard to explain, so get prepared to be called "sexist" and "narrow-minded" a lot if you try to argue against it....

Pronouns in plenty of languages do not distinguish between genders and they get on fine without it.

biko

What conservatives are like

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4WRajuaVnY

LambsEye

What conservatives are like x 100

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IwIRNM5noY

ascanbe

biko wrote: »

What conservatives are like

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4WRajuaVnY

How dare you say all conservatives are like that!!!!
That's just a sweeping generalisation!!!!
You're just trying to label any number of people that in reality have wildly divergent opinions and tar them with th... oh, i think that's your point.

Captain Darling

Cool story errrrrr....... androgynous individual...:pac:

Pace2008

SuperInfinity wrote: »

And after a while they'll be considered as "sexists", just like how white people who use the word "****" or even "chinks" are considered racist even if they are just being friendly and "cool" and those people call themselves it.

And our word of the day is: context!

Dudess

SuperInfinity wrote: »

I predict that by 2020, you will no longer be allowed to refer to the gender of a person in an official sense.

I predict you will. All this PC stuff that's apparently being forced on us - isn't.

Captain Darling

SuperInfinity wrote: »

Of course many people will continue to refer to gender informally, but not in a formal sense. And after a while they'll be considered as "sexists", just like how white people who use the word "****" or even "chinks" are considered racist even if they are just being friendly and "cool" and those people call themselves it.

Hmmmm...

RichieC

SuperInfinity wrote: »

I predict that by 2020, you will no longer be allowed to refer to the gender of a person in an official sense.

The precursors to this are all around. Recently they are putting "parent 1" and "parent 2" on passport forms so as not to offend homosexual people.

Because males and females are obviously the EXACT SAME IN EVERY WAY, and having a daddy and a daddy is clearly no different from having a mummy and a daddy. And if you raise questions about it being and describe it as a totally unnatural thing you are branded a NARROW MINDED HOMOPHOBE FROM BACKWARD IRELAND lol.

The reason given for this: Because males and females are the exact same in every way. Nobody should be treated differently based on whether they are a male or female, and if you say that there should be genders, you're sexist.

Why it's a bad thing we should not allow: Because like it or not, genders ARE FUNDAMENTALLY DIFFERENT. And saying "he" or "she" is a natural thing, it is a way of distinguishing people. It's one of those things that can be very hard to explain, so get prepared to be called "sexist" and "narrow-minded" a lot if you try to argue against it...

Of course many people will continue to refer to gender informally, but not in a formal sense. And after a while they'll be considered as "sexists", just like how white people who use the word "****" or even "chinks" are considered racist even if they are just being friendly and "cool" and those people call themselves it.

God I hate liberals, they are such dimwitted fools.

You fail, son.

Cheap Thrills!

Fremen wrote: »

The rise of the middle class?

The rise of pretentious fools more like.

The middle classes used Mammy.

The rest used Mam or Ma.

This 'Mummy' bollox is a total affectation.

time4tea

SuperInfinity wrote: »

Of course many people will continue to refer to gender informally, but not in a formal sense. And after a while they'll be considered as "sexists", just like how white people who use the word "****" or even "chinks" are considered racist even if they are just being friendly and "cool" and those people call themselves it.

God I hate liberals, they are such dimwitted fools.

even chinks! ha ha ha

yeah it's real cool to call people ****:rolleyes:

RichieC

Great bunch of lads.

L.Jenkins

I thought this would be one of those threads were the lgbt forum comes to join in with the discussion, slaps are thrown, facts are given and the thread is locked. But seen as the OP fails, I'm sure they don't see the need.

LambsEye

ItsThatManAgain wrote: »

the OP fails, I'm sure they don't see the need.

The OP fails on so many levels. Mostly knowledge wise, but MOSTLY because he's a big goamie.

ejmaztec

I predict that in 20 years time, the OP will be arrested for pissing in the wrong toilet.

SuperInfinity

time4tea wrote: »

yeah it's real cool to call people ****

lol... this actually made me laugh out loud. It's such an absurd sarcastic post, I really hope you weren't being serious, if not well done... :rolleyes:

Badgermonkey

Cheap Thrills! wrote: »

The rise of pretentious fools more like.

The middle classes used Mammy.

The rest used Mam or Ma.

This 'Mummy' bollox is a total affectation.

Culchie

mconigol

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Why shouldn't the law be gender neutral?

Why should it be ok for one gender to do something but not the other?
Why should one gender get special treatment in some cases but not the other?

We are not "the same". But we ARE supposed to be "equal". As in, we all have to follow the exact same rules and we all receive the exact same penalties for failing to follow them.

Well one could argue that homosexual people get special treatment in that being given the right to adopt and have children is something that they wouldn't naturally be capable of.

We are not all equal....where does this idea come from?? Human beings are far from equal.

Gender neutrality can't possibly ever exist just by the very fact that the genders are physiologically different....why is is such a bad thing that we recognise our differences??

LambsEye

LambsEye wrote: »

This has been touched on in previous posts but OP, are you aware that sex, sexuality and gender are three entirely different classifications?

Sex: Biological differentiation between males and females
Sexuality: Pertaining to sexual preference, gay or straight etc.
Gender: The means in which society and culture perpetuates the differences between masculine and feminine.

Thus: Gender, as opposed to sex and sexuality, is constructed by ideologies and society.

mconigol wrote: »

We are not all equal....where does this idea come from?? Human beings are far from equal.

Gender neutrality can't possibly ever exist just by the very fact that the genders are physiologically different....why is is such a bad thing that we recognise our differences??

Please share what types of humans aren't equal?

Also. Please see above. Genders are not physiologically equal. SEXES are biologically equal.

Why shouldn't passports be gender neutral? There are not SEX nuetral.

Millicent

Cheap Thrills! wrote: »

Whatever happened to the word 'Mammy' -what is all this 'Mummy' sh!t that's creeping in?

I was in a government building the other day and saw a notice (non-government I should point out) that reminded "Moms" not to forget about their playschool. No mention of Dads either. I was wholly and slightly irrationally apoplectic after seeing it. "Moms" my arse. No surprise the school was in Dalkey.

Killer Pigeon

SuperInfinity wrote: »

I predict that by 2020, you will no longer be allowed to refer to the gender of a person in an official sense.

The precursors to this are all around. Recently they are putting "parent 1" and "parent 2" on passport forms so as not to offend homosexual people.

Because males and females are obviously the EXACT SAME IN EVERY WAY, and having a daddy and a daddy is clearly no different from having a mummy and a daddy. And if you raise questions about it being and describe it as a totally unnatural thing you are branded a NARROW MINDED HOMOPHOBE FROM BACKWARD IRELAND lol.

The reason given for this: Because males and females are the exact same in every way. Nobody should be treated differently based on whether they are a male or female, and if you say that there should be genders, you're sexist.

Why it's a bad thing we should not allow: Because like it or not, genders ARE FUNDAMENTALLY DIFFERENT. And saying "he" or "she" is a natural thing, it is a way of distinguishing people. It's one of those things that can be very hard to explain, so get prepared to be called "sexist" and "narrow-minded" a lot if you try to argue against it...

Of course many people will continue to refer to gender informally, but not in a formal sense. And after a while they'll be considered as "sexists", just like how white people who use the word "****" or even "chinks" are considered racist even if they are just being friendly and "cool" and those people call themselves it.

God I hate liberals, they are such dimwitted fools.

Alex Jones?

What brings you to boards.ie?

scientific1982

mconigol wrote: »

Well one could argue that homosexual people get special treatment in that being given the right to adopt and have children is something that they wouldn't naturally be capable of.

We are not all equal....where does this idea come from?? Human beings are far from equal.

Gender neutrality can't possibly ever exist just by the very fact that the genders are physiologically different....why is is such a bad thing that we recognise our differences??

Well straight people have the right to adopt children right now, so we already have special treatment. Another point, gay people arent infertile.

Napper Hawkins

scientific1982 wrote: »

Well straight people have the right to adopt children right now, so we already have special treatment. Another point, gay people arent infertile.

Oh yeah? Then why haven't I seen any pregnant dudes then? Hmmmm?

scientific1982

Napper Hawkins wrote: »

Oh yeah? Then why haven't I seen any pregnant dudes then? Hmmmm?

Eh.