We Should Abolish Taxes!

RockinRolla · 13-01-2011 05:04PM #1

Think about it.

Doesn't it seem a little tyrannical for Government to take money from Michael and give it to Paul? Is it acceptable that Government would take money from Sean to build a road over the other side of the country that Sean will never use? Have we to be fined for not paying RTE's license even though we don't watch RTE?

If a person earns 34,000 annually - Government take 4,000 of that alone just for Income Tax. But you're sending your money to bureaucrats in Government - do you think your money will be used to the benefit of the taxpayer or allocated equally and fairly?

What if there was no Income Tax - you would have the extra 4,000 in your pocket and buy your own services yourself - and for a cheaper price (VHI is NOT 4,000 a year).

The same with Water Tax. There are four things necessary for life - and water is one of them. Isn't a tax on water, a tax literally on breathing?! How can anyone put a tax on life? Will there be a tax on oxygen next or will Al Gore come to his senses and stop trying to convince the world his theories are not utter crap?

TanG411 · 13-01-2011 05:04PM

Go to bed.

chin_grin · 13-01-2011 05:05PM

RockinRolla wrote: »

Think about it.

Yes. Please do.

smash · 13-01-2011 05:05PM

where's the no thanks button when you need it?

Trog · 13-01-2011 05:05PM

Don't mess with... oh, never mind.

thebigbiffo · 13-01-2011 05:06PM

where would we get the money to bail out the banks then smartarse?

chillywilly · 13-01-2011 05:06PM

RockinRolla wrote: »

Think about it.

Doesn't it seem a little tyrannical for Government to take money from Michael and give it to Paul? Is it acceptable that Government would take money from Sean to build a road over the other side of the country that Sean will never use? Have we to be fined for not paying RTE's license even though we don't watch RTE?

If a person earns 34,000 annually - Government take 4,000 of that alone just for Income Tax. But you're sending your money to bureaucrats in Government - do you think your money will be used to the benefit of the taxpayer or allocated equally and fairly?

What if there was no Income Tax - you would have the extra 4,000 in your pocket and buy your own services yourself - and for a cheaper price (VHI is NOT 4,000 a year).

The same with Water Tax. There are four things necessary for life - and water is one of them. Isn't a tax on water, a tax literally on breathing?! How can anyone put a tax on life? Will there be a tax on oxygen next or will Al Gore come to his senses and stop trying to convince the world his theories are not utter crap?

Would you build your own road or do your own surgery with that 4000? :rolleyes:

RockinRolla · 13-01-2011 05:07PM

Rosicky7 wrote: »

Go to bed.

chin_grin wrote: »

Yes. Please do.

steve06 wrote: »

where's the no thanks button when you need it?

Awesome! I love talking to people who haven't even read the piece or will even listen to others side of the argument. Way to go! :rolleyes:

amacca · 13-01-2011 05:07PM

RockinRolla wrote: »

Think about it.

No ..... no, you think about it.

(As much as I hate paying the inbred, nepotistic, greedy, incompetent, corrupt curmudgeons anything)

Fremen · 13-01-2011 05:08PM

Why bother paying a policeman's salary when you can trade four cows for an AK-47? Y'know, since the government print money and all.

RockinRolla · 13-01-2011 05:09PM

thebigbiffo wrote: »

where would we get the money to bail out the banks then smartarse?

We wouldn't.

chillywilly wrote: »

Would you build your own road or do your own surgery with that 4000? :rolleyes:

Private Health Insurance.

smash · 13-01-2011 05:09PM

RockinRolla wrote: »

Awesome! I love talking to people who haven't even read the piece or will even listen to others side of the argument. Way to go! :rolleyes:

I read it! It's moronic.

RockinRolla wrote: »

Private Health Insurance.

And who'll pay the nurses?

liah · 13-01-2011 05:09PM

As far as education, healthcare and general upkeep taxes go, I see no reason they should be abolished. It is a purely selfish, greedy person who complains that their tax money is going to benefit others, even if you perceive them to not 'deserve' it, as if you are judge, jury and executioner.

I would much rather live in a highly taxed country with amazing healthcare, education and great upkeep (great roads, solid architecture, etc) and high quality of life and know my money is not only going to benefit me, but in a small way, every person in my country, than to be a complete miser and sit on my mountain of gold coins in a house that's falling apart after driving through a hundred potholes concerned only with wealth in a country without taxes.

When you want to have the privilege to live in functional, mutually-beneficial and strong society, you have to contribute to it, and frankly you should be glad to, because I guarantee a lot of people's money went to help you at some stage, whether it be your immediate friends and relatives or if you yourself have benefited from the taxpayer's money.

But maybe that's just me. Seems a miserable, lonely existence any other way.

chillywilly · 13-01-2011 05:11PM

RockinRolla wrote: »

We wouldn't.

Private Health Insurance.

So you think everything should be privatised?

Trog · 13-01-2011 05:12PM

Lets just go back to the way it was before the brits came in with their governance and taxe. I call king of Meath/ high king of Ireland. Yuuussssss. Bring me a golden calf.

Banjaxed82 · 13-01-2011 05:13PM

Ha! Ha! That's brilliant. Wait and see what happens to crime levels when Anto and Micka don't get their dole payment next Thursday.

RockinRolla · 13-01-2011 05:13PM

steve06 wrote: »

I read it! It's moronic.

And who'll pay the nurses?

Your post is ironic.

chin_grin · 13-01-2011 05:14PM

RockinRolla wrote: »

Awesome! I love talking to people who haven't even read the piece or will even listen to others side of the argument. Way to go! :rolleyes:

Oh I did read it and it's an amazing work of fiction. And what argument? You came on parading what can only be read as a kind of "free love" speech and then take a hissy fit when you're told to wake up? Awwwwwwwww.

Banjaxed82 · 13-01-2011 05:14PM

Banjaxed82 wrote: »

Ha! Ha! That's brilliant. Wait and see what happens to crime levels when Anto and Micka don't get their dole payment next Thursday.

And who'll pay the Gardai to catch these hoodlums??

RockinRolla · 13-01-2011 05:15PM

liah wrote: »

I would much rather live in a highly taxed country with amazing healthcare, education and great upkeep (great roads, solid architecture, etc) and high quality of life and know my money is not only going to benefit me, but in a small way, every person in my country, than to be a complete miser and sit on my mountain of gold coins in a house that's falling apart after driving through a hundred potholes concerned only with wealth in a country without taxes.

Great. Where is this place you speak of?

smash · 13-01-2011 05:15PM

RockinRolla wrote: »

Your post is ironic.

No it's not.

You obviously have no clue what are taxes pay for, otherwise you wouldn't suggest abolishing them.

liah · 13-01-2011 05:16PM

RockinRolla wrote: »

Great. Where is this place you speak of?

Parts of Scandinavia and Canada are fairly damn close to that tbh. It's hardly an unreasonable statement.

minidazzler · 13-01-2011 05:19PM

RockinRolla wrote: »

Your post is ironic.

So, you don't understand taxes, economy or irony.

Do you wanna add anything else to the list?

RockinRolla · 13-01-2011 05:19PM

liah wrote: »

Parts of Scandinavia and Canada are fairly damn close to that tbh. It's hardly an unreasonable statement.

I thought you were speaking about Ireland.

Do you think Canada or Scandinavia has a healthcare system like ours?

Tipp Man · 13-01-2011 05:20PM

Well it could very well work but it will never be done in todays "modern" society

To those saying who'd pay the nurses - hospitals are privitised - when your sick the hospital charges you and then it pays its nurses

to those saying who builds roads - well private companies build road and the users are tolled for using them

etc etc

OP are you familiar with liberterianism?? You should check it out - its thinking along your lines of thinking

Personally I think there should be a flat rate of tax for everybody in this country. Shockingly enough if everybody paid the same rate on all income we would need a tax rate of less than 20%

RockinRolla · 13-01-2011 05:22PM

minidazzler wrote: »

So, you don't understand taxes, economy or irony.

Do you wanna add anything else to the list?

I understand completely - the thing is, instead of you saying "right ok, thats something completely different but I wouldn't suggest ______ because _______", you just jump on the bandwagon of negativity.

My statement is legitimate. Perhaps is just the fact that we, as a country, just want more Government interference in our lives. Sad really.

TheZohanS · 13-01-2011 05:22PM

Trog wrote: »

Don't mess with... oh, never mind.

....TheZohan.

RockinRolla wrote: »

Awesome! I love talking to people who haven't even read the piece or will even listen to others side of the argument. Way to go! :rolleyes:

So eh, who looks after the funding for infrastructure, services and stuff like that?

Trog · 13-01-2011 05:22PM

High tax countries

cc4life · 13-01-2011 05:22PM

Tax the rich!!!

Tipp Man · 13-01-2011 05:24PM

liah wrote: »

As far as education, healthcare and general upkeep taxes go, I see no reason they should be abolished. It is a purely selfish, greedy person who complains that their tax money is going to benefit others, even if you perceive them to not 'deserve' it, as if you are judge, jury and executioner.

I would much rather live in a highly taxed country with amazing healthcare, education and great upkeep (great roads, solid architecture, etc) and high quality of life and know my money is not only going to benefit me, but in a small way, every person in my country, than to be a complete miser and sit on my mountain of gold coins in a house that's falling apart after driving through a hundred potholes concerned only with wealth in a country without taxes.

When you want to have the privilege to live in functional, mutually-beneficial and strong society, you have to contribute to it, and frankly you should be glad to, because I guarantee a lot of people's money went to help you at some stage, whether it be your immediate friends and relatives or if you yourself have benefited from the taxpayer's money.

But maybe that's just me. Seems a miserable, lonely existence any other way.

Ha ha this kind of attitude makes me laugh

Perhaps you would like to tell us how much your annual tax bill is every year??

Socialism is great at spending other people's money but what happens when the other people's money runs out? Guess we'll find out in this country very soon

amacca · 13-01-2011 05:24PM

Tipp Man wrote: »

Personally I think there should be a flat rate of tax for everybody in this country. Shockingly enough if everybody paid the same rate on all income we would need a tax rate of less than 20%

Ah yes ......but then how do we decide (enshrine in our taxation system) who is better than you and I and indeed who are we better than in turn.

This is more important than you think:eek:

Seloth · 13-01-2011 05:25PM

RockinRolla wrote: »

I thought you were speaking about Ireland.

Do you think Canada or Scandinavia has a healthcare system like ours?

No because they get better funding with higher taxes

smash · 13-01-2011 05:25PM

RockinRolla wrote: »

Do you think Canada or Scandinavia has a healthcare system like ours?

No, it's much better actually.

minidazzler · 13-01-2011 05:26PM

RockinRolla wrote: »

I understand completely - the thing is, instead of you saying "right ok, thats something completely different but I wouldn't suggest ______ because _______", you just jump on the bandwagon of negativity.

My statement is legitimate. Perhaps is just the fact that we, as a country, just want more Government interference in our lives. Sad really.

OK, lets get rid of taxes and privatise EVERYTHING.

Any new roads being built are private and are all tolled because they are private.

All Hospitals require proof you can pay for your treatment before you get any.

Only private security companies working and they charge to protect you, a yearly rate.

Fire Departments are privatised and only come out if you have paid in advance.

There are no judges, so noone goes to prison.

There are no regulatory bodies, so companies get away with treating their workers as slaves.

There are no upsides to there being no taxes.

Tipp Man · 13-01-2011 05:27PM

amacca wrote: »

Ah yes ......but then how do we decide (enshrine in our taxation system) who is better than you and I and indeed who are we better than in turn.

This is more important than you think:eek:

Don't follow??

(am very very tired in my defence:D)

RockinRolla · 13-01-2011 05:27PM

Tipp Man wrote: »

OP are you familiar with liberterianism?? You should check it out - its thinking along your lines of thinking

I am familiar with it. Nice to see someone else think about the situation instead of dismissing it because it's beyond their thinking scope.

Tipp Man wrote: »

Socialism is great at spending other people's money but what happens when the other people's money runs out? Guess we'll find out in this country very soon

Margaret Thatcher said the same thing. We may not like the woman - but she hit the nail on the head right there.

liah · 13-01-2011 05:28PM

Essentially, what you're suggesting is anarchy, as if you were to abolish all taxes that would effectively remove the government entirely.

While a romantic notion, that lovely human ideal of absolute freedom, it's simply not realistic. When there is no law, there are few repercussions. You think people are bad now? It would be chaotic.

Taxes are contributions to quality of life and a 'toll' for being allowed to take part in society. Without health care, millions would not be able to afford private insurance because, without law, business could charge whatever they like. Without education, millions would be ignorant and society would very quickly become degenerate; racism and homophobia and sexism and violence of all sorts would run rampant. No control or regulation over edibles and consumables would mean disease and hunger. There would be fierce battles for territory.

Basically, it would undo everything we've done to get to this point. And whether you realize it or not, you've got it pretty damn good and I guarantee you that's because people have paid taxes that resulted in enriching your life. It helps others, but it helps you too, and you should remember that before thinking about it so selfishly. It's paying back your debt. It's paper.

What is more important to you? Living a brilliant, happy life as a healthy and educated person, knowing you live in a happy, healthy and educated country? Or would you really rather sit there and count your coins as society around you goes to hell?

The indirect hate and complete lack of understanding or foresight present in some of these statements are unsettling.

sensibleken · 13-01-2011 05:29PM

Being a complete thick, i wholeheartely agree

ascanbe · 13-01-2011 05:29PM

There's tons of empty libertarian posturing in the politics forum, OP; your 'ideas' will find favour there.

amacca · 13-01-2011 05:31PM

minidazzler wrote: »

There are no judges, so noone goes to prison.

There are no upsides to there being no taxes.

I was with you there on most other things, But I would be willing to provide a proper old skool prison service....for a small fee of course

you would'nt mind too much how long the prisoners survived would you? I could harness their "skills" as part of the rehabilitation process.

RockinRolla · 13-01-2011 05:31PM

Seloth wrote: »

No because they get better funding with higher taxes

Private Healthcare is better. Fact.

steve06 wrote: »

No, it's much better actually.

Have you seen the state of the HSE? It's not normal people should say, "oh, not down here - we'll be here for 4 hours...". Snap out of it.

minidazzler wrote: »

OK, lets get rid of taxes and privatise EVERYTHING.

Any new roads being built are private and are all tolled because they are private.

All Hospitals require proof you can pay for your treatment before you get any.

Only private security companies working and they charge to protect you, a yearly rate.

Fire Departments are privatised and only come out if you have paid in advance.

There are no judges, so noone goes to prison.

There are no regulatory bodies, so companies get away with treating their workers as slaves.

There are no upsides to there being no taxes.

I don't think thats a fair assessment.

sensibleken · 13-01-2011 05:33PM

Ban beards!!!! i hate beards

smash · 13-01-2011 05:33PM

RockinRolla wrote: »

Have you seen the state of the HSE? It's not normal people should say, "oh, not down here - we'll be here for 4 hours...". Snap out of it.

What are you talking about now? I said Canada has a better health system than us. That's true!

liah · 13-01-2011 05:34PM

RockinRolla wrote: »

Private Healthcare is better. Fact.

If there was universal healthcare that was well-funded by taxes, literally every single person would be looked after from birth to death with high quality health care and there would be absolutely no need for private healthcare where only a select few are able to get care.

This results in a healthier society, which ultimately results in a more productive one.

It's really not that hard to see where the holes in your statements are.

RichieC · 13-01-2011 05:35PM

What a well thought out position, OP.

amacca · 13-01-2011 05:35PM

Tipp Man wrote: »

Don't follow??

(am very very tired in my defence:D)

A persons paycheck being one way of estimating how much your society values you.

A persons access to various tax avoidance loopholes being another way to judge how much society values your contribution to it.

(tenuous on its own perhaps:D)

amacca · 13-01-2011 05:37PM

sensibleken wrote: »

Ban beards!!!! i hate beards

Indeed, hairy face occluding bastards of things.

minidazzler · 13-01-2011 05:38PM

RockinRolla wrote: »

I don't think thats a fair assessment.

It's fact, these services would not exist. I fancied myself an anarchist when I was 16, now I realise that it's not a possibility and is in fact a bad idea given that people are not actually as nice or good as idealists will say. We are too greedy to share.

The way things are run sucks, but still, it runs better than if it was every man for himself!

strobe · 13-01-2011 05:38PM

RockinRolla wrote: »

I don't think thats a fair assessment.

Why do you not think it is a fair assessment though? You will get further if you try and point out the problems with peoples posts rather than just stating that you disagree with them.

If you disagree that what minidazzler said will happen why do you disagree? Why do you not think it will happen. How do you think it will be avoided? Why do you think it should be avoided? Do you think it should be avoided and if not why not? Is that not ultimate outcome of a libertarian society?

sensibleken · 13-01-2011 05:40PM

I say we tax rain.

Tipp Man · 13-01-2011 05:41PM

steve06 wrote: »

What are you talking about now? I said Canada has a better health system than us. That's true!

Do people ever think that it is not the amount of money that we are spending on health that is the problem??

Ever think it is how the funding is allocated and used that is the problem?? God knows we've thrown enough money at health and education in the last decade and got nothing in return

And for people (idiots) who think we should tax more to have a better healthcare system then you might be surprised to know that our PUBLIC expenditure per capita is HIGHER than Canada's

They do however spend more privately than we do

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We Should Abolish Taxes!

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