Car drifting to the left and right

Bombbastic22

Hi,

Bought a car recently and it drifts to the left and right when holding the wheel straight on a straight road. Tyre pressure is normal, it passed the nct and it still drifts even after being aligned/tracked, tyres are all of the same specs too. It's baffling, any comments/suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Can post a video if it helps.

Cheers.

Bombbastic22

here it is. can anyone say if this is normal?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8f5aNyBGPAs

E39MSport

make/model?

Mine was doing that but after rebuilding the suspension and steering its sorted.

Likely worn bushing(s) in the control arms and/or steering linkage. Some cars have rubber links on the steering columns that can weaken over time.

Get it up on axle stands and check for play in all joints and wheel bearings. Could be the rack judging by the amount of movement in that vid. Looks very dangerous to me.

E39MSport

Bombbastic22 wrote: »

here it is. can anyone say if this is normal?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8f5aNyBGPAs

:eek:

Get it to a garage immediately m8.

Mr Benevolent

Bombbastic22 wrote: »

Hi,

Bought a car recently and it drifts to the left and right when holding the wheel straight on a straight road. Tyre pressure is normal, it passed the nct and it still drifts even after being aligned/tracked, tyres are all of the same specs too. It's baffling, any comments/suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Can post a video if it helps.

Cheers.

What car is it? Was the problem present during the test drive?

There could be quite a few explanations for this. What's it like while braking? Are there any unusual noises going over bumps? If the NCT was legitimately passed then suspension issues should've shown up. Most likely it's worn bushings though.

voxpop

Get the wheel alignment checked. Any issues over broken white lines or when braking

Bombbastic22

E39MSport wrote: »

make/model?

Mine was doing that but after rebuilding the suspension and steering its sorted.

Likely worn bushing(s) in the control arms and/or steering linkage. Some cars have rubber links on the steering columns that can weaken over time.

Get it up on axle stands and check for play in all joints and wheel bearings. Could be the rack judging by the amount of movement in that vid. Looks very dangerous to me.

It's a Skoda Octavia with 40k miles. Went to garage and they replaced rear wishbone bushings, reset alignment and still the problem persists. Took it elsewhere and apparently all is sound with it and suspension and connections are all original. I really don't get it. Noticed a bit of a problem in the test drive but was assured it was tracking and it would be sorted. While it was improved on pick up I had some instability in the car a couple of days later on the motorway.

It seems to have been rear ended. The back driver side quarter panel, the boot and the rear bumper have had work.

Bombbastic22

voxpop wrote: »

Get the wheel alignment checked. Any issues over broken white lines or when braking

No issues when braking or going over white lines. Far from being an expert on cars but I'm wondering if the chassis is bent and if it is possible to align a car with a bent chassis.

Seth Brundle

Bombbastic22 wrote: »

here it is. can anyone say if this is normal?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8f5aNyBGPAs

Get out of the overtaking lane if you aren't overtaking
:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:


Seriously though, that is dangerous!

Bombbastic22

kbannon wrote: »

Get out of the overtaking lane if you aren't overtaking
:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:


Seriously though, that is dangerous!

I agree whole heartedly.

furtzy

Had this wayward behaviour on a previous car. Turned out to be worn track rod ends. Easily checked for.

With the engine running and stationary turn the steering wheel quickly from left to right and listen for a clunking noise at the end of each turn

Has the tyre wear been uneven?

Bombbastic22

Supposedly a reputable dealer. Funnily enough I had the car assessed by an engineer who said he could find no mechanical fault with the car and he could drive it straight no problem. Feeling very unhappy I offered to demonstrate problem, which I did and he just outright ignored me when I asked if this was normal several times. After asking "Is this normal?" and being ignored he said "I'll drive it and see" and he again concluded that the car only drives where it is pointed. Not happy:mad:. Getting it assessed again. Watch this space

Bombbastic22

furtzy wrote: »

Had this wayward behaviour on a previous car. Turned out to be worn track rod ends. Easily checked for.

With the engine running and stationary turn the steering wheel quickly from left to right and listen for a clunking noise at the end of each turn

Has the tyre wear been uneven?

Tyres were brand new on the front and I've noticed slight scuffing on the outer edge of the passenger side one. Engineer was somewhat dismissive of it.

Danbo!

Bombbastic22 wrote: »

here it is. can anyone say if this is normal?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8f5aNyBGPAs

At first I was thinking its not that noticable, but then when you changed lanes without moving the wheel? Surely driving is a pain in the bollox trying to correct every move like that?

I cant believe garages couldnt find anything wrong with it.

Seth Brundle

There will usually be a bit of drifting to the left or right but it would take a much longer distance to do what happened there

Bombbastic22

Danbo! wrote: »

At first I was thinking its not that noticable, but then when you changed lanes without moving the wheel? Surely driving is a pain in the bollox trying to correct every move like that?

I cant believe garages couldnt find anything wrong with it.

Either can I. It's like walking into a room with the light off and someone trying to convince you it's actually on and that you must be mad to think otherwise. lol

Henry Ford III

Steering/front suspension wear. It's dangerous as is, and I don't understand how that crate could possibly pass an NCT.

Get the car on a proper hoist and use a crowbar to check all the steering suspension joints. There has to be major play somewhere.

cantdecide

Bombbastic22 wrote: »

...It's a Skoda Octavia with 40k miles. Went to garage and they replaced rear wishbone bushings, reset alignment and still the problem persists. Took it elsewhere and apparently all is sound with it and suspension and connections are all original...

There are many ways of aligning suspension. Make sure the car had full four wheel alignment not just a low-tech re-tracking job.

If there was uneven tyre wear present as a result of the issues that required rear suspension work, maybe there could be some pulling or dragging. I'd try rotating the tyres to see if that makes any difference. AFAIK, there can be a lot of uneven wear on a tyre and it will be still legal as long as it isn't below the minimum in a particular area.

Are the wheels on the car standard?

MarkoC

Get the tracking done first and see what happens.

mickdw

Id say there is a bit of wear in the suspension but unless its actually snatching all of a sudden, its hardly as bad as that video makes it appear. NO car can be driven perfectly straight without adjustment to the steering & Im sure you have no problems keeping it within any particular lane when you want to.
If you happen to have very wide & low profile tyres, any change in road camber can cause a change in direction.
An alignment result sheet should give a fair idea of any chassis damage from crash etc. If all looks good, take it to a good garage for a really good poke around underneath for worn bushes and replace if required.
If the alignment shows obvious dodgy readings, you may have bigger problems. IN that case, I would be stright back to supplying dealer.

Bombbastic22

mickdw wrote: »

Id say there is a bit of wear in the suspension but unless its actually snatching all of a sudden, its hardly as bad as that video makes it appear. NO car can be driven perfectly straight without adjustment to the steering & Im sure you have no problems keeping it within any particular lane when you want to.
If you happen to have very wide & low profile tyres, any change in road camber can cause a change in direction.
An alignment result sheet should give a fair idea of any chassis damage from crash etc. If all looks good, take it to a good garage for a really good poke around underneath for worn bushes and replace if required.
If the alignment shows obvious dodgy readings, you may have bigger problems. IN that case, I would be stright back to supplying dealer.

Interesting reply. However, they replaced bushes and the garage were adamant that the tyres were not a problem. Apparently the suspension is sound too. Thanks for everyones replies!!!!!!!

Bombbastic22

mickdw wrote: »

Id say there is a bit of wear in the suspension but unless its actually snatching all of a sudden, its hardly as bad as that video makes it appear. NO car can be driven perfectly straight without adjustment to the steering & Im sure you have no problems keeping it within any particular lane when you want to.
If you happen to have very wide & low profile tyres, any change in road camber can cause a change in direction.
An alignment result sheet should give a fair idea of any chassis damage from crash etc. If all looks good, take it to a good garage for a really good poke around underneath for worn bushes and replace if required.
If the alignment shows obvious dodgy readings, you may have bigger problems. IN that case, I would be stright back to supplying dealer.

Interestingly enough I've tried the same thing in multiple cars of various capacities and have found that they typically drive straight though if you hold the wheel loosely there can be a slight drift to the left - apparently it's for safety reasons so that if you fall asleep the car will go into the ditch and not the people driving in the other direction. Lets hope I don't fall asleep at the wheel as there is a good chance of carnage if there are people driving in the other direction!! If you or anyone else by any chance have a car that does the same thing as what I've shown I would be very interested to see it.

Stheno

If they've replaced the bushes at the rear have they checked the front of the car at all?

Bombbastic22

Stheno wrote: »

If they've replaced the bushes at the rear have they checked the front of the car at all?

Well I was told the rear wishbone bushes were replaced. I asked the engineer to check if the bushes had been replaced as I was skeptical that they had. The engineer said the front bushes were replaced and I said I was told the rear bushes were replaced and he said it was the rear of the front bushes, I thought he stuttered a bit then. Does that make any sense and if so could you explain it - but only if it's not too much bother. Cheers in advance dude!

Stheno

Bombbastic22 wrote: »

Well I was told the rear wishbone bushes were replaced. I asked the engineer to check if the bushes had been replaced as I was skeptical that they had. The engineer said the front bushes were replaced and I said I was told the rear bushes were replaced and he said it was the rear of the front bushes, I thought he stuttered a bit then. Does that make any sense and if so could you explain it - but only if it's not too much bother. Cheers in advance dude!

I don't know a massive amount about cars tbh, but I'd the bushes start to wear on the front of my car, and the steering, whilst nowhere near as bad as yours got very soft for want of a better word and far less responsive than it should be.

Needed to replace the steering rack (well recondition it) as iirc the bushes on the front of my particular car (alfa 156) couldn't be removed seperately according to the mechanic.

I was asking as well given that the Octavia is a front wheel drive car so the most of the steering control should be in the front and a lot of your posts focussed on the back.

kona

Does it happen under all conditions or only when under power? Could be a issue with the Driveshafts or diff. Suspesion wear would be easy to spot by a trained mechanic, I doubt he would miss the obvious.

E39MSport

Stheno wrote: »

I Needed to replace the steering rack (well recondition it) as iirc the bushes on the front of my particular car (alfa 156) couldn't be removed seperately according to the mechanic.

I got the same story from a garage re: my old Prado. Toyota don't sell the rack bushes independently and so I was quoted for an entire rack. However a small bit of research pointed me in the direction of some poly bushes and a write up. 50 notes versus almost 2k. Granted it took me ages to fit them but a good indy would do it for you I reckon.

Too late now but moral is don't take dealer mechs word for granted.

Bombbastic22

Well, I don't much trust the garage either. Funny thing was the Assessor I got didn't acknowleged the problem even when I demonstrated it as clearly as what can be seen in that video. Come to think of it the only questions I recall him asking (before he started the assessment) was who I bought the car off and what opinion they had as to what the problem was. He seemed more inquisitive about that than the problem I was describing.

I can't help but feel there is something very fishy going on here. A friend said I was mad having gone to this particular assessor as he felt they have ties with the garage and it wouldn't be in their interests to awknowledge the problem. Very sinister!:mad:

Funnily enough I was randomly talking to a mechanic over a pint one night and he suggested that it sounded like a problem with the power steering and that any garage would be reluctant to replace it since it costs 2 grand and they would effectively loose any pofit they made on the sale.

Will get to the bottom of this yet though. If another assessor is needed, then so be it. Thanks for listening and for all suggestions guys!

Oh, and that's an interesting question about whether it happens under power. I'm not sure but what would that mean?

E39MSport

does it happen under power = does it pull to the right when you welly it as opposed to standard cruising

Bombbastic22

E39MSport wrote: »

does it happen under power = does it pull to the right when you welly it as opposed to standard cruising

Lol. I don't wear wellies when I'm driving :) I will check it out and see. Thanks for interpreting :):)

CarMuppet

While this might be normal behaviour on a 440 Spartak or an old 1960s 445 Octavia... Your car needs to be taken off the road for immediate 'professional' testing.

If it's been in a crash the chassis may not be 'true'. Real 4-wheel alignment should give some indication of overall thrust etc....

but, if you're saying the car changes direction from left/right/left with no manual input from the steering wheel... ie the car is tracking according to the camber of the road etc then this could be anything from failed suspension components, ball joint(s) up to the steering rack itself.

Hard to tell from the video; something like this you need to 'feel from the seat of your pants' I'm afraid. Can't emphasise the point enough, if this car is tracking itself on the road it needs to be taken out of service today.

Best case nothing else will happen, worst case a component may fail rendering the car uncontrollable.


Please do keep us updated as I would love to know the root cause of the issue.



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Bombbastic22

CarMuppet wrote: »

While this might be normal behaviour on a 440 Spartak or an old 1960s 445 Octavia... Your car needs to be taken off the road for immediate 'professional' testing.

If it's been in a crash the chassis may not be 'true'. Real 4-wheel alignment should give some indication of overall thrust etc....

but, if you're saying the car changes direction from left/right/left with no manual input from the steering wheel... ie the car is tracking according to the camber of the road etc then this could be anything from failed suspension components, ball joint(s) up to the steering rack itself.

Hard to tell from the video; something like this you need to 'feel from the seat of your pants' I'm afraid. Can't emphasise the point enough, if this car is tracking itself on the road it needs to be taken out of service today.

Best case nothing else will happen, worst case a component may fail rendering the car uncontrollable.


Please do keep us updated as I would love to know the root cause of the issue.



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Yeah, that's exactly what it is doing. On one stretch of straight road today it was going right for the first bit, straight for a moment and then left. It is very weird.

Part of me is tempted to trade it in and forget about it but I'm seriously curious about what the problem is too.

Also, while you can control the left and right drift while driving around town and it isn't hugely noticeable unless you happen to hold the wheel straight and expect it to drive straight - when you're on the motorway doing 120kmph it feels a somewhat jiggly and can randomly become seriously unstable - which is how I first noticed the problem.

There is no comfort taking it on longer journeys though driving around town isn't too bad. What you said about a component failing is exactly what I'm worried about, also the prospect of all the other components such as tyres and suspension, wearing prematurely and costing a small fortune.

I will get to the root of this and keep you informed!! Thanks for your message there, you sound quite knowledgeable.

Bombbastic22

E39MSport wrote: »

does it happen under power = does it pull to the right when you welly it as opposed to standard cruising

Just to confirm, it happens when you're just cruising and is independent of how you use your wellies

Bombbastic22

CarMuppet wrote: »

While this might be normal behaviour on a 440 Spartak or an old 1960s 445 Octavia... Your car needs to be taken off the road for immediate 'professional' testing.

If it's been in a crash the chassis may not be 'true'. Real 4-wheel alignment should give some indication of overall thrust etc....

but, if you're saying the car changes direction from left/right/left with no manual input from the steering wheel... ie the car is tracking according to the camber of the road etc then this could be anything from failed suspension components, ball joint(s) up to the steering rack itself.

Hard to tell from the video; something like this you need to 'feel from the seat of your pants' I'm afraid. Can't emphasise the point enough, if this car is tracking itself on the road it needs to be taken out of service today.

Best case nothing else will happen, worst case a component may fail rendering the car uncontrollable.


Please do keep us updated as I would love to know the root cause of the issue.



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Well, I got my engineers report and while he acknowledged that I had demonstrated that the car was showing a steering bias to the right, he could find no abnormalities while he himself was driving.

On the other hand, this bias to the right seems to be getting worse, which is handy in a way as you don't have to bother steering to change into the right lanes.

As it turns out, one of the rear tires is actually a snow/mud tire where all the rest are normal. What kind of malarkey is that I asks you???

It's interesting though, as while he says he found the steering normal he also recommended that the steering alignment be checked, why I wonder? Could it be a 2k steering rack replacement after all? Watch this space guys! ;-)

kona

Bombbastic22 wrote: »

Well, I got my engineers report and while he acknowledged that I had demonstrated that the car was showing a steering bias to the right, he could find no abnormalities while he himself was driving.

On the other hand, this bias to the right seems to be getting worse, which is handy in a way as you don't have to bother steering to change into the right lanes.

As it turns out, one of the rear tires is actually a snow/mud tire where all the rest are normal. What kind of malarkey is that I asks you???

Either way , the engineer sounds very unprofessional. Maybe you could get another engineer to give a report on it? Or maybe even book it in for a NCT?

Bombbastic22

kona wrote: »

Either way , the engineer sounds very unprofessional. Maybe you could get another engineer to give a report on it? Or maybe even book it in for a NCT?

Yes, I thought so too. You might be shocked if I told you the crowd that assessed it, but then you might not. I was pretty shocked at how he couldn't fault the driving straight - a - bility ( I know that's not a real word, it's just for fun) of the car even though it's pretty obviously drifting to the right.

Overall, his report wasn't bad, though for some reason he didn't fully acknowledge the most significant factor and said that "generally" he found the vehicle drove straight. It's a bit of a funny word to use. It's like saying generally I don't kill people but sometimes I do. Would you feel safe in my company if that was the case? Or in my car even?

It passed the NCT very recently, though it's interesting to note that 1). They don't test the power steering and 2). My bro's car showed much worse results on the alignment/slip test they do and yet it drives straight, unlike my car. Something very sinister is afoot methinks.

Cartel Mike

What make tyres?
Front to back switch make a whole lot of difference?
You'd be surprised sometimes.

Bombbastic22

Cartel Mike wrote: »

What make tyres?
Front to back switch make a whole lot of difference?
You'd be surprised sometimes.

Tyres have been ruled out as a potential cause. This was one of my initial thoughts though funnily enough.

kona

Bombbastic22 wrote: »

Yes, I thought so too. You might be shocked if I told you the crowd that assessed it, but then you might not. I was pretty shocked at how he couldn't fault the driving straight - a - bility ( I know that's not a real word, it's just for fun) of the car even though it's pretty obviously drifting to the right.

Overall, his report wasn't bad, though for some reason he didn't fully acknowledge the most significant factor and said that "generally" he found the vehicle drove straight. It's a bit of a funny word to use. It's like saying generally I don't kill people but sometimes I do. Would you feel safe in my company if that was the case? Or in my car even?

It passed the NCT very recently, though it's interesting to note that 1). They don't test the power steering and 2). My bro's car showed much worse results on the alignment/slip test they do and yet it drives straight, unlike my car. Something very sinister is afoot methinks.

Id get the car tested now, so you know results at the time that this is happening. If it was tested before you bought it, you have no idea what happened in the time between being bought and test.

IMO you really need to bring this car to a expert, and one thats independant and professional.

Stheno

Bombbastic22 wrote: »

Tyres have been ruled out as a potential cause. This was one of my initial thoughts though funnily enough.

Did you post earlier that you've one winter and three summer tyres on the car?

Bombbastic22

kona wrote: »

Id get the car tested now, so you know results at the time that this is happening. If it was tested before you bought it, you have no idea what happened in the time between being bought and test.

IMO you really need to bring this car to a expert, and one thats independant and professional.

It was tested when this was happening.

Bombbastic22

Stheno wrote: »

Did you post earlier that you've one winter and three summer tyres on the car?

Well, engineers report said 1 mud/snow tire on the back so I presume that means the same thing. The engineer didn't seem to see it as a problem neither did the garage where I bought it.

kona

Bombbastic22 wrote: »

It was tested when this was happening.

Maybe bring it to a main dealer then, If its doing that and its passed a test (IMO NCT is toilet paper) it doesnt say much for the test.

Bombbastic22

kona wrote: »

Maybe bring it to a main dealer then, If its doing that and its passed a test (IMO NCT is toilet paper) it doesnt say much for the test.

Well, I'd find toilet paper more useful. I know of several cars that passed the NCT that were only fit for being crushed within weeks of passing it. I owned one of them. It was about 8 years ago and I only paid 200euro for it and had to pay around 100euro for it to be taken away. I literally couldn't give the car away, worse actually, I had to pay someone to take it!! IMO it's a bit of a money spinner alright but that's a discussion for a whole new thread. Maybe we should start one??

Bombbastic22

CarMuppet wrote: »

While this might be normal behaviour on a 440 Spartak or an old 1960s 445 Octavia... Your car needs to be taken off the road for immediate 'professional' testing.

If it's been in a crash the chassis may not be 'true'. Real 4-wheel alignment should give some indication of overall thrust etc....

but, if you're saying the car changes direction from left/right/left with no manual input from the steering wheel... ie the car is tracking according to the camber of the road etc then this could be anything from failed suspension components, ball joint(s) up to the steering rack itself.

Hard to tell from the video; something like this you need to 'feel from the seat of your pants' I'm afraid. Can't emphasise the point enough, if this car is tracking itself on the road it needs to be taken out of service today.

Best case nothing else will happen, worst case a component may fail rendering the car uncontrollable.


Please do keep us updated as I would love to know the root cause of the issue.



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Well, I think you were right about the car needing to be taken out of service today. The problems is getting worse and it's even becoming very apparent at much lower speeds than what I was doing in the video. It's getting scary to drive. I think I'll take it off road and get a private assessment.

Oh and anyone notice how my poll is getting an increasing amount of people saying this behaviour is normal? Ha, I wonder if the garage is on to me! Hate to imagine what kind of vehicles these people are driving.

bazzachazza

Mate for your own safety and the safety of passengers and other road users DO NOT DRIVE THIS CAR AGAIN.

If and when you get it fixed and assessed again I suggest send a copy of the repair work and any other assessors report to the previous clown with a letter of complaint.

Even if the car was following the camber of the road the wheel would turn slightly in your hands as it follows the camber you would notice this. No car should suddenly turn as much as yours in that video without steering input or aqua-planning or skidding on ice. There is a serious mechanical issue with this car and it could cause a serious accident.

What happens if the faulty part fails completely whilst driving ? Won't be as simple as pulling to the side of the road at 70mph !

inforfun

That car changes lanes more abruptly than i do when i am overtaking.
That mechanic that said there was nothing wrong, was he the selling party? (i know he isnt)

Bombbastic22

bazzachazza wrote: »

Mate for your own safety and the safety of passengers and other road users DO NOT DRIVE THIS CAR AGAIN.

If and when you get it fixed and assessed again I suggest send a copy of the repair work and any other assessors report to the previous clown with a letter of complaint.

Even if the car was following the camber of the road the wheel would turn slightly in your hands as it follows the camber you would notice this. No car should suddenly turn as much as yours in that video without steering input or aqua-planning or skidding on ice. There is a serious mechanical issue with this car and it could cause a serious accident.

What happens if the faulty part fails completely whilst driving ? Won't be as simple as pulling to the side of the road at 70mph !

Well, it's becoming more exaggeratted at slower speeds now. Driving around town at 40-60kmph was very controllable but even that seems to be deteriorating. Aye, needs re-assessment.

It's disturbing in this day and age that a supposed "reputable" garage can sell a car like this to someone with a family and small baby or anyone really.....not to mention the recession and the fact that people (myself included) are rather short of cash and have little money to be firing away on assessments and repairs.

Bombbastic22

inforfun wrote: »

That car changes lanes more abruptly than i do when i am overtaking.
That mechanic that said there was nothing wrong, was he the selling party? (i know he isnt)

The selling party stated in writing that they could not fault the "geometry" of the car and the engineer I got said he couldn't fault the driving of the car but at the same time he recommended I get the steering alignment checked which seems somewhat contradictory. However, as pointed out in previous posts (there's a whole books worth nearly at this stage, lol, so you could be forgiven for not having read them) a friend stated that the assessor very likely had some sort of affiliation or business ties with the garage. I can't say this for sure but it does seem extraordinarily likely for a multitude of reasons. Just doesn't make sense how he couldn't fault what I showed him(same as video except he was in passenger seat and had personally made sure tyre pressure was bang on). I asked him several times as the car was drifting "Is this normal?" and it was like he didn't even hear me. Eventually he merely stated, "I'll drive and see if I can experience it, and after turning the wheel left and right on the dual carriageway he concluded "When you point the wheel left it goes left and when you point it right it goes right"!

inforfun

Bombbastic22 wrote: »

The selling party stated in writing that they could not fault the "geometry" of the car and the engineer I got said he couldn't fault the driving of the car but at the same time he recommended I get the steering alignment checked which seems somewhat contradictory. However, as pointed out in previous posts (there's a whole books worth nearly at this stage, lol, so you could be forgiven for not having read them) a friend stated that the assessor very likely had some sort of affiliation or business ties with the garage. I can't say this for sure but it does seem extraordinarily likely for a multitude of reasons. Just doesn't make sense how he couldn't fault what I showed him(same as video except he was in passenger seat and had personally made sure tyre pressure was bang on). I asked him several times as the car was drifting "Is this normal?" and it was like he didn't even hear me. Eventually he merely stated, "I'll drive and see if I can experience it, and after turning the wheel left and right on the dual carriageway he concluded "When you point the wheel left it goes left and when you point it right it goes right"!

I missed the affiliations references made earlier indeed...

If you look at that video without knowing the story behind it, you might think... woow, great special effects there.
I am not a mechanic so what is causing this, i have no idea. But you dont have to be a mechanic to see there is something not right there.

Hope you ll get it sorted without it costing money.

Bombbastic22

inforfun wrote: »

I missed the affiliations references made earlier indeed...

If you look at that video without knowing the story behind it, you might think... woow, great special effects there.
I am not a mechanic so what is causing this, i have no idea. But you dont have to be a mechanic to see there is something night right there.

Hope you ll get it sorted without it costing money.

Well said. I've been driving for the best part of ten years(and drove all sorts of crappie cars and vans) and have NEVER experienced this kind of thing. It's great to have everyones input on here, it really is. Have just penned a letter to these reputable people. Can't imagine they'll refund but no harm trying.

Just an average Joe Soap being trampled on by the big people who's smiles and willingness to help seem to fade as soon as they have your money........