Guess they have discoverd us!!!

Grizzly 45

From the ICABS website Animal Voice newsletter "Campain quotes" Dec2010

Spotted a fox crossing a field of stubble bout 800 yds off. The landowner keeps hens so knew he'd appreciate one less fox. Gave a squeak and he stops dead in his track and looks at me, another few squeaks and he's heading in a straight line for me at a very quick pace!! At bout 60yds out, just before he dipped into a bit of dead ground, I gave a little yap and he stops dead in his tracks. Bang and 140gr hits him straight in his chest Mature dog cub, very very thin and obviously very hungry. From a shooting forum on boards.ie, 22/12/2010


Welll come on in then antis.....Sittdown and shuttup!You might learn somthin,but I doubt it! [As my old maths teacher used to say on one of her rare happy days in life:D].

johngalway

Sure we might turn a few of them

Other than that, get read to report boarders

Birdnuts

These people really need to get a life - they would probably prefer the fox to die slowly of hunger:rolleyes:

MACT1RE

johngalway wrote: »

Sure we might turn a few of them

We only have to turn the six of them and we've won!

tfox

B*stards, that's my post :mad: Wonder why they picked it....?

Sparks

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Welll come on in then antis...

Actually, I'm reasonably sure that we already had several on here already. Possibly including the head of the Hunt Sabs.
So long as they obey the charter, they're as welcome as anyone else.

dicky82

Birdnuts wrote: »

These people really need to get a life - they would probably prefer the fox to die slowly of hunger:rolleyes:

nope they'd rather it got fat on the farmers chickens. . .

meathstevie

Sparks wrote: »

Actually, I'm reasonably sure that we already had several on here already. Possibly including the head of the Hunt Sabs.
So long as they obey the charter, they're as welcome as anyone else.

Would their habit of condoning terrorism ( arson, criminal damage etc in order to sway opinion not make them a tiny bit unwelcome on the shooting forum ? Let's face it, the least little whif of illegality is fairly quickly stamped on in here.

Grizzly 45

Sparks wrote: »

Actually, I'm reasonably sure that we already had several on here already. Possibly including the head of the Hunt Sabs.
So long as they obey the charter, they're as welcome as anyone else.

Nah Sparks.SHE being a radical vegan would rather eat a nice juicy blue steak than communicate with the likes of us!!:D WE are total psycho scum of the earth and a death camp would be too good for the likes of us,according to her.:rolleyes::)

Think you mean her 2IC with the criminal record??But HE has a very distinctive style of writing as well.Reckon he has gone into silent running and listening mode,if he is still here.

@tfox..Dont feel too bad about it:).Actually take it as a backhanded compliment.It shows you wrote somthing that had either "awww" factor [for them] or somthing that got their goat,or they want to use it against us.[Maybe start a" Donedeal.ie" letter campain against Boards.ie??;):D]

round tower huntsman

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

From the ICABS website Animal Voice newsletter "Campain quotes" Dec2010

Spotted a fox crossing a field of stubble bout 800 yds off. The landowner keeps hens so knew he'd appreciate one less fox. Gave a squeak and he stops dead in his track and looks at me, another few squeaks and he's heading in a straight line for me at a very quick pace!! At bout 60yds out, just before he dipped into a bit of dead ground, I gave a little yap and he stops dead in his tracks. Bang and 140gr hits him straight in his chest Mature dog cub, very very thin and obviously very hungry. From a shooting forum on boards.ie, 22/12/2010


Welll come on in then antis.....Sittdown and shuttup!You might learn somthin,but I doubt it! [As my old maths teacher used to say on one of her rare happy days in life:D].

you must be mistaken grizzly. antis are only after hunting with hounds and terriers. they'd never go after rifle shooting:rolleyes:
hopefully this will wake up some of the rifle shooters out there that think their sport isnt in the sights of the antis.
ITS NOT JUST HUNTING WITH HOUNDS THEY'RE AFTER.

byhookorbycrook

round tower huntsman wrote: »

you must be mistaken grizzly. antis are only after hunting with hounds and terriers. they'd never go after rifle shooting:rolleyes:
hopefully this will wake up some of the rifle shooters out there that think their sport isnt in the sights of the antis.
ITS NOT JUST HUNTING WITH HOUNDS THEY'RE AFTER.

Untrue, they have gone after some gun clubs.

round tower huntsman

i know that. but i've often met lads on here,shooters, that seem think antis are only after hunting with hounds. they support antis looking to ban hunting and seem to think shooting will be left alone.

meathstevie

round tower huntsman wrote: »

you must be mistaken grizzly. antis are only after hunting with hounds and terriers. they'd never go after rifle shooting:rolleyes:
hopefully this will wake up some of the rifle shooters out there that think their sport isnt in the sights of the antis.
ITS NOT JUST HUNTING WITH HOUNDS THEY'RE AFTER.

Don't think anyone in here was suffering of such illusions.

Fanatics of every persuasion have some common traits; the world is black and white, there is no room for any pragmatic compromise ( like for the simple notion that hunting within certain restrictions is legal and moraly and ethicaly acceptable. For example open and closed seasons on certain species all others are defacto protected all year round, no hunting of endangered species, prohibition on poisoning, prohibition of unnecessary cruel hunting methods and trapping methods like locking snares ), the goal justifies the means in relation to criminal behaviour for the "cause" ( an extreme example are fundamentalist suicide bombers style 7/7 in London, a realistic example out of the animal rights record of achievements is criminal damage against fast food restaurants, fur retailers and farmers, harassment and believe it or not grave desacration ) and last but not least; and this is more personal opinion than anything else; an indigestable level of self righteousness.

round tower huntsman

eh i've had lads on here who shoot foxes tell me its cruel to hunt withs hounds or dig with terriers. i've also had lads on saying they support the ward ban cos its only for toffs etc...........myself and grizzly and alot of others have always tried to point out that antis were after all hunting sports. now this proves it.
im glad the antis have posted this,it shows all of us they hate hunting wether its by bullet or hound.

round tower huntsman

fodda wrote: »

Shooting isnt under threat

you just made my point. thank you. shooting is under threat as the anti website has just shown. your in their sights just as much as me.

round tower huntsman

fodda wrote: »

Doesnt mean a thing they may not like it but no "anti" group is going to get proper regulated shooting or fishing (as it is) banned here or anywhere.

well if we dont stick together its only a matter of time. you seem to think shooting and fishing are untouchable, fox hunters in england thought the same in the 50's and 60's.
also im a shooter too. i hunt and shoot and an odd bit of fishing,but rarely. so im getting it from all sides.

round tower huntsman

after the so called ban in england antis straight away turned their attention to driven game shooting. fox hunting would have been crossed of their list had the ban not been such an unworkable disaster.

endasmail

its amazing the damage 6 or 7 crusties can do to hunting in general
probably best not to start bickering on the thread
ya wouldn know whos looking

Sparks

I refuse to panic because five to ten compulsive letter-writers who know nothing about our sport chose to have a hysterical fit over it on the letters page of the local free paper.

round tower huntsman

well fodda you seem to be the classic im alright jack. i hope the day doesnt come when you need me more then i need you, for your sake.

Birdnuts

Sparks wrote: »

I refuse to panic because five to ten compulsive letter-writers who know nothing about our sport chose to have a hysterical fit over it on the letters page of the local free paper.

Exactly - these people have no support and with the change of government shortly, all their fantasies will become just that: fantasies!!!

SpringerF

Anyone who does not believe that ICABS supported by the Green party is not anti hunting in ALL its forms is really living in a fantasy world. For they also believe that there is no justifiable reason for anyone to own a firearm.

Read their policy documents.

Sparks

SpringerF wrote: »

Anyone who does not believe that ICABS supported by the Green party is not anti hunting in ALL its forms is really living in a fantasy world.

Read the RedC polls of late. ICABS main (if not only) real political ally (as opposed to those looking to poach the bambi vote) are the Greens, who're currently polling at between 2% and 4% and will basicly cease to be at the next election. And even they don't support ICABS blindly.

I'm all for taking threats seriously, but I'm also all for not overreacting. ICABS might want to get rid of privately owned firearms if they had the option, but they're as likely to get it as I am to win the Lotto having bought one ticket with the proceedings from having won the Euromillions lottery...

round tower huntsman

the greens had max 6% support at last election, they still managed to push through some anti hunting/animal rights legislation.
the greens are heavily infiltrated by icabs etc....they gave support for nama and lisbon in exghange for stag ban and fur farming ban. even pat mckenna came out and said as much.

round tower huntsman

antis in the right place at the right time can do damage. as we've learned. but thanks to the rise campaign politicians have been taught a lesson to stay away from hunting.

Birdnuts

round tower huntsman wrote: »

the greens had max 6% support at last election, they still managed to push through some anti hunting/animal rights legislation.
the greens are heavily infiltrated by icabs etc....they gave support for nama and lisbon in exghange for stag ban and fur farming ban. even pat mckenna came out and said as much.

They won't be in the next government cos they won't be needed and will definably lose at least half their seats anyway. I can't wait to see the likes of Eamonn Ryan and his smug grin hung out to dry!!:D

round tower huntsman

they wont be in the next one or the next one or possibly the next one but what about the next one?

Birdnuts

round tower huntsman wrote: »

they wont be in the next one or the next one or possibly the next one but what about the next one?

Wow - I thought I was a worrier!!;)

round tower huntsman

im not a worrier i just hope i'll be able to hunt my dogs with my kids and their kids thats all.

4gun

well that answers the thread about posting pictures of kill doesn't it ....or the more the better....make them really suffer for their cause

mcmoustache

I'm not a shooter myself but my father and lots of people from where I grew up would hunt fowl and shoot any foxes if they encountered them in the day time.

I just thought I'd add my 2 cents regarding the ICABS. Like any organisation, they won't disband once a cause has been achieved. If they achieve a victory, they'll move on to another cause and so on. That's what such organisations are like. They won't stop until the world turns vegetarian. And after that they'll demand that farmers play music for their crops.

They need to be opposed politically but, thankfully, they won't have any political allies in a few months.

Grizzly 45

IF anyone wants evidence that ICABS and the dismissed troublemakers who went off to form CACS and join AHS are anti gun.
I have appx 25 years of their ranting and raving in the letters colums of local,national,and international papers.Make NO mistake about it they would gladly see shooting and gunownership banned as well.But fortunatly are in reality a bunch of about 25 hardcore people with appx 75 to 90 hangers on ,mostly old dears,fustrated college students and general misfits,with the odd few who like to streak about in public.

Considering that this year ICABS is 45 years old [founded 1966] it has achived what exactly?? Muzzling greyhounds at coursing,and influencing a ban on stag chasing, not hunting!![As hunting would imply a kill in the process of an animal] and intimidating a bunch of companies and hotels to withdraw fox hunting and bull fighting from their litature and adverts.
Proably also, the destruction of a greater part of the Amazon rainforest in the amount of paper required to write letters to just about everyone under the Sun about cruelty to animals.:rolleyes::rolleyes:

They have had to throw out two people with confirmed criminal activity who were in their leadership as well who practised and espoused violence as a means,and still associate with animal rights terrorist groups..So all in all a great achiving organisation.
Another 45 years and they might actually achive another"great victory":rolleyes: on somthing else.

@endsamail.Dont worry..They bitch and moan amongst themselves,as much as we do!

blackstairsboy

Remember at Clonmel when they tied a hare up and made it suffer to try and say that the coursing clubs were making hares suffer. I bet their proud of that.
And also they were going to have this massive protest there last year they were going to really make a point and about 3 people turned up:D
True they can be dangerous when they had the greens backing with them now gone they are at worst annoying and for the most part laughable.

BELOWaverageIQ

Lord, they really dont have a clue do they, luckily, like the Greens they are probably their own worst enemies.

quote:

Renewed appeal to Coillte to protect wildlife
22 October 2010

ICABS has renewed its appeal to state-owned forestry company, Coillte, to act to prevent hunters and hounds from persecuting wildlife in its forests. We have also urged the company to stop licensing hunting on its land.
Responding to a request from ICABS for the names of "any hunting clubs (e.g. foxhunts, mink hunts, hare hunts) that currently have permission to hunt in Coillte property", a company spokesperson said that there are a "small number of licence agreements in place with some clubs" but that Coillte is not in a position to disclose the details.
He also stated that many hunt clubs continue to traverse its forests, repeating an earlier company claim that Coillte "do not have control over this activity". ICABS believes that, in the absence of so-called sporting rights, Coillte is in a strong position to prevent such hunts from accessing its property.
In our latest appeal to Coillte to prevents hunters and hounds from terrorising wildlife, we pointed to Section 23 of the Forest Act 1988 (Section 37) Bye Laws 2009 which makes it clear that "A person shall not injure or otherwise interfere with any wildlife on Coillte lands, but nothing in this Bye-law shall affect Bye-law 17." Bye-law 17 refers to firearms and states that "A person shall not bring onto Coillte lands or use any firearm, as defined in section 4 of the Firearms and Offensive Weapons Act 1990 (No. 12 of 1990), except with the permission of Coillte (a) for competitions approved by Coillte, and b) for practice for such approved competitions." In a Recreational Hunting page on its website, Coillte describes hunting and stalking as "some of the oldest forms of ‘forest recreation’", adding that "Coillte currently licence a large proportion of its forest estate for the recreational hunting and shooting of wild game, deer and other quarry species, by individuals, clubs / syndicates and commercial shoot operators." '''

end quote

endasmail

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

IF anyone wants evidence that ICABS and the dismissed troublemakers who went off to form CACS and join AHS are anti gun.
I have appx 25 years of their ranting and raving in the letters colums of local,national,and international papers.Make NO mistake about it they would gladly see shooting and gunownership banned as well.But fortunatly are in reality a bunch of about 25 hardcore people with appx 75 to 90 hangers on ,mostly old dears,fustrated college students and general misfits,with the odd few who like to streak about in public.

Considering that this year ICABS is 45 years old [founded 1966] it has achived what exactly?? Muzzling greyhounds at coursing,and influencing a ban on stag chasing, not hunting!![As hunting would imply a kill in the process of an animal] and intimidating a bunch of companies and hotels to withdraw fox hunting and bull fighting from their litature and adverts.
Proably also, the destruction of a greater part of the Amazon rainforest in the amount of paper required to write letters to just about everyone under the Sun about cruelty to animals.:rolleyes::rolleyes:

They have had to throw out two people with confirmed criminal activity who were in their leadership as well who practised and espoused violence as a means,and still associate with animal rights terrorist groups..So all in all a great achiving organisation.
Another 45 years and they might actually achive another"great victory":rolleyes: on somthing else.

@endsamail.Dont worry..They bitch and moan amongst themselves,as much as we do!

ill take your word on it grizz

Feargal as Luimneach

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Considering that this year ICABS is 45 years old [founded 1966] it has achived what exactly?? Muzzling greyhounds at coursing,and influencing a ban on stag chasing, not hunting!![As hunting would imply a kill in the process of an animal]

There's a lot less hares killed in coursing because of the muzzling. That's a good thing I'd say. If the ICABS are partly responsible for the muzzling via their lobbying, they should be applauded for that particular action.

Birdnuts

BELOWaverageIQ wrote: »

Lord, they really dont have a clue do they, luckily, like the Greens they are probably their own enemies.

quote:

Renewed appeal to Coillte to protect wildlife
22 October 2010

ICABS has renewed its appeal to state-owned forestry company, Coillte, to act to prevent hunters and hounds from persecuting wildlife in its forests. We have also urged the company to stop licensing hunting on its land.
Responding to a request from ICABS for the names of "any hunting clubs (e.g. foxhunts, mink hunts, hare hunts) that currently have permission to hunt in Coillte property", a company spokesperson said that there are a "small number of licence agreements in place with some clubs" but that Coillte is not in a position to disclose the details.
He also stated that many hunt clubs continue to traverse its forests, repeating an earlier company claim that Coillte "do not have control over this activity". ICABS believes that, in the absence of so-called sporting rights, Coillte is in a strong position to prevent such hunts from accessing its property.
In our latest appeal to Coillte to prevents hunters and hounds from terrorising wildlife, we pointed to Section 23 of the Forest Act 1988 (Section 37) Bye Laws 2009 which makes it clear that "A person shall not injure or otherwise interfere with any wildlife on Coillte lands, but nothing in this Bye-law shall affect Bye-law 17." Bye-law 17 refers to firearms and states that "A person shall not bring onto Coillte lands or use any firearm, as defined in section 4 of the Firearms and Offensive Weapons Act 1990 (No. 12 of 1990), except with the permission of Coillte (a) for competitions approved by Coillte, and b) for practice for such approved competitions." In a Recreational Hunting page on its website, Coillte describes hunting and stalking as "some of the oldest forms of ‘forest recreation’", adding that "Coillte currently licence a large proportion of its forest estate for the recreational hunting and shooting of wild game, deer and other quarry species, by individuals, clubs / syndicates and commercial shoot operators." '''

end quote

What a hopeless bunch!!:rolleyes: - instead of pulling Coillte up on their rather dubious planting policies(not enought broadleaf planting and damage to watersheds, heathlands in upland regions etc.) they come out with this clueless BS:mad::rolleyes:

endasmail

Feargal as Luimneach wrote: »

There's a lot less hares killed in coursing because of the muzzling. That's a good thing I'd say. If the ICABS are partly responsible for the muzzling via their lobbying, they should be applauded for that particular action.

yea Fergal
we should all line up and throw rose petals at them while broadly grinning

Grizzly 45

Feargal as Luimneach wrote: »

There's a lot less hares killed in coursing because of the muzzling. That's a good thing I'd say. If the ICABS are partly responsible for the muzzling via their lobbying, they should be applauded for that particular action.

Fine..BUT they were still not happy with that!!Then it was the hares getting injured and thrown by the dogs.So it still has to be banned.Same with stag hunting,there is no kill involved,just an animal being chased .The fact is these organisations are no compromise organisations,the same as Al Quieda in fact.It is their way or no way.You cant negoiate,appease or compromise with them.Their objective is a complete ban on any type of fieldsports and domestic keeping of animals,and giving animals "rights".
Also these people take the "long term " view of things.Doesnt have to be achived today,tomrrow or in their lifetimes,but eventually it will be.
So we have to take a long term view as well,as well as maybe supporting aspects of fieldsports we dont like.But it is better to fight in somone elses backyard than on our front door.

Eddie B

Feargal as Luimneach wrote: »

There's a lot less hares killed in coursing because of the muzzling. That's a good thing I'd say. If the ICABS are partly responsible for the muzzling via their lobbying, they should be applauded for that particular action.

One thing id never lower myself to do, is to applaud ICABS!
Maybe we should muzzle our terriers as well Feargal, to stop them killing the poor rats!:p
After all Feargal, their all Gods creatures!:rolleyes:

Arcto

and domestic keeping of animals,and giving animals "rights".

I think PETA are lobbying for giving animals the same rights as humans, and to quote Penn Jillette

If we start giving animals human rights they'll all end up getting arrested for f*****g and s*****g everywhere!

Quotes not 100% spot but it's close enough (been awhile since I saw the episode)

Feargal as Luimneach

Eddie B wrote: »

One thing id never lower myself to do, is to applaud ICABS!
Maybe we should muzzle our terriers as well Feargal, to stop them killing the poor rats!:p
After all Feargal, their all Gods creatures!:rolleyes:

Irish Hare numbers are in severe decline I believe (correct me if I'm wrong). If muzzling greyhounds at coursing events helps prevents hares being killed it's a good thing. The aim of coursing is not to kill the hare anyway.

Irish Hare is a distinct subspecies of the Artic Hare and is indigenous only to our country. Rats (brown rat) are not native to Ireland and are very common. A big difference in the two species importance for those reasons.

Sparks

Feargal as Luimneach wrote: »

Irish Hare numbers are in severe decline I believe (correct me if I'm wrong). If muzzling greyhounds at coursing events helps prevents hares being killed it's a good thing.

See, those highlighted bits are why I wouldn't be congratulating ICABS just yet.
Mind you, given the means they employ to reach their goals, I don't think we should be congratulating them anyway.

Feargal as Luimneach

Sparks wrote: »

See, those highlighted bits are why I wouldn't be congratulating ICABS just yet.
Mind you, given the means they employ to reach their goals, I don't think we should be congratulating them anyway.

Irish Hare numbers are in decline and muzzling greyhounds does reduce the number of hares being killed.
That post is just for you Sparks.

Sparks

Which is it FaL? Do you believe it but might be wrong; or do you know, and if so, where's the proof?

Feargal as Luimneach

Sparks wrote: »

Which is it FaL? Do you believe it but might be wrong; or do you know, and if so, where's the proof?

http://www.qub.ac.uk/sites/Quercus/Projects/2010/3HarecoursinginIreland/
"Official records, corroborated by independent video evidence, were used to assess the fate of individual Irish hares (Lepus timidus hibernicus) during coursing events from 1988–2004. Muzzling dogs significantly reduced levels of hare mortality. In courses using unmuzzled dogs from 1988/89–1992/93 mean hare mortality was 15.8%, compared to 4.1% in courses using muzzled dogs from 1993/94–2003/04."

http://www.irishhare.org/
"Numbers of Irish hares have dramatically declined within the last 30 years resulting in dangerously low population levels. Surveys carried out in Northern Ireland between 2002 and 2009 have produced estimates of between 1 hare/Km² and 5 hares/Km². The existing time-series data suggest Irish hare population cycles every three years with a clear overall downward temporal trend. After taking account of these cycles, the Irish hare population in Northern Ireland exhibits a net decline of approximately 25% every three years"
http://www.doeni.gov.uk/niea/allirelandirishharesapnov05.pdf

johngalway

Feargal as Luimneach wrote: »

Irish Hare numbers are in decline

I can but speak for where I roam, I do not see a decline in those areas. Not saying that there isn't a decline in other places, just that there isn't a decline in all areas. Aside from farm animals, the most numerous tracks I saw in the snow were hares, also the most common animal I see out lamping or farming in daylight.

sfakiaman

I got to agree with Johngalway, in the recent snow there were more hare tracks than anything else. Last spring I often saw up to six hares at a time in the field opposite my house.

blackstairsboy

Feargal as Luimneach wrote: »

Irish Hare numbers are in decline and muzzling greyhounds does reduce the number of hares being killed.
That post is just for you Sparks.

Who says Irish hare numbers are in decline? I can only speak for my area but I have walked that ground for 8 years and if anything hare numbers have increased in that time. Coursing clubs release all hares they use so they should not effect there numbers. The coursing clubs also take hares off of the ground that I am talking about so it does not seem to effect there numbers.

Grizzly 45

I concur.I have seen more hares around here in the last three years than I have in the last thirty,as well as an increase in foxes as well.
Hmmmm droool ....Roast hare.Delicious!:D

After having a look at the Iris hare website,and the people they associate with,[ICABS,
,LACS]as well as using the DHS dying hare video.I'd be somwhat skeptical about their objectivity on this.

No6

Plenty of hares around me too, I could show you a field where every time we pass it has five or six of them haring around!!:D