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Set top box for DTT for €50

  • 04-01-2011 10:42pm
    #1
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,157 Mod ✭✭✭✭


    I bought a sample DTT box from China to test it. I have received it and it works fine but it does not have MHEG 5, but it does record to an external USB drive. It connects via SCART or HDMI. Has full 7-day epg. Picture quality is very good especially on RTE2. It turns my Sony 40 inch MPEG 2 LED into a very much better MPEG 4 HD TV.

    I intend to order some more for my other TVs and if anyone is interested in getting one, send me a PM and I will order for anyone interested. Cost will be about €50 I think, but no more.

    Mods - if you do not like this, just delete it.:)

    I will be placing the order next Monday.


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Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 143 ✭✭thomasking22008


    what website u find order DTT reciver for mpeg5 for future for dtt


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,157 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    I have ordered it directly from the manufacturer.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,178 ✭✭✭STB


    Is it from Shenzhen ?

    You should be able to get MHEG5 on it for that unit price....

    Make sure it does HE AAC as well. Remember for roughly €50 you can get a freeview HD box or a TNT HD box retail.

    Whats the min they sell at ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,188 ✭✭✭wil


    Getting deja-vu again with the €50.

    Just wondering do they come from any of these lot
    For those with quoted unit prices, $70 to 80 seems to be the bulk unit price.
    You can get an SD only one for $17 (not recommending watty dont worry, just pointing out the price differential)
    STB wrote: »
    Is it from Shenzhen ?

    You should be able to get MHEG5 on it for that unit price....

    Make sure it does HE AAC as well. Remember for roughly €50 you can get a freeview HD box or a TNT HD box retail.

    Whats the min they sell at ?
    do you have any retail links for those?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,967 ✭✭✭JDxtra


    I can't imagine the warranty would be worth much on these boxes. Would they comply with EU electrical safety standards (if such standards exist)?


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,157 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    The cost of shipping is a lot compared to the unit cost. The more that are ordered the lower the shipping will work out at per unit. The unit I received is well made and is functioning well. The lack of MHEG 5 is not a problem for this particular use, but it may become available through a future firmware upgrade. It has HDMI and SCART and gives good picture quality, with PVR function using an external USB device. If anyone is interested. send me a PM, and I will order one. The Chinese New Year is coming up soon, so I want the order to be processed before then. Delivery takes a few days, production run may not be immediate.

    I am looking for expressions of interest, not money up front. Send a PM if you are interested. I think the box is god value myself.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,615 ✭✭✭Newtown90


    Nice deal!... I know i could have a fair bit of interest from people if they saw one working!...

    PM sent!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    IMO without MHEG5 it's a dead duck.

    Under £45 for a UK "Freeview HD" box. Warranty, MHEG5


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,615 ✭✭✭Newtown90


    Why is it a "dead duck" watty??. Hmmmmm??

    It would be grand for basic viewing of the channels like...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,178 ✭✭✭STB


    wil wrote: »
    do you have any retail links for those?

    Only one in Europe for cheap DVB-T STBs was Radomska RWT Poland http://www.en.rwt.pl Where who were selling for €60 retail with MHEG5 (the RWT DTV-421T) but no longer stock it. That product is made by Shenzhen State Micro technology http://www.smit.com.cn/english/proDetail.asp?InfoId=159&js=

    You can buy from these guys in 20s/50s but its hassle with language problems at your own peril. Fine if you get a sample.

    Corelink
    http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/370931188/HD_MPEG4_MHEG5_DVB_T_Receiver.html

    YIHNE
    http://www.imagetune.com/products/hd-dvb-t-mpge4-h-264-sti-7101-double-tuners-usb-2-0-500g-hdd-pvr-vfd-display-mheg5-middle-ware-digital-set-top-box-decoder-hdmi-aac-dolby-digital-mpeg4-imagetune-digimedia-co-ltd.html

    HiMeGa
    http://www.himegas.com/productinfo.asp?pid=726

    SDMC Combo
    http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/283419584/HD_Combo_DV5302_S2_T_FTA.html

    The question is why would you go down this road when the prices have fallen for DVB_T2 products, albeit non PVR. Sam if they are costing you 50 remember a lot of the french products are below 50 and Record and play MKVs etc. Some of the Chinese boxes do no support HE AAC.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    STB wrote: »
    You can buy from these guys in 20s/50s but its hassle with language problems at your own peril. Fine if you get a sample.
    You can buy from these guys for even less but I understand they OEM from small outfits who do not have english marketing of their own.

    http://veisat.en.alibaba.com/

    esp

    http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/358090711/dvb_t2.html

    FOB Price: US $1 - 26 / Piece
    Get Latest Price Port: SHENZHEN Minimum Order Quantity: 1000 Unit/Units
    Supply Ability: 500,000 Piece/Pieces per Month Payment Terms: T/T,Western Union


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,157 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    STB wrote: »

    The question is why would you go down this road when the prices have fallen for DVB_T2 products, albeit non PVR. Sam if they are costing you 50 remember a lot of the french products are below 50 and Record and play MKVs etc. Some of the Chinese boxes do no support HE AAC.

    Same reason I bought the Picnic, I like playing with technology. I wanted to look at a product that would be more use than the Picnic box is now that HD has started. I am not too worried about the MHEG 5 for the 2nd TV I have, but I do not want to wait for it to be DVB compatible. Also I am convinced that boxes will be available by May that will be fully compliant with Saorview (but not certified) for less than €50 inc VAT. They will also allow PVR through the USB. I am not trying to make a business out of this because it would require huge volumes to make any money. Even if one made €20 per box (€24 inc VAT), just to pay for certification requires sales of 1,000 units. Another 10,000 units to make the wages for the staff required to shift that many, and other overhead costs like warranty, rent, insurance and funding costs. It is not possible as a start-up business. The numbers do not add up.

    Why so negative? If you want one, let me know by PM.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 190 ✭✭redalicat


    watty wrote: »
    Under £45 for a UK "Freeview HD" box. Warranty, MHEG5

    So "Freeview HD" would have MHEG5 or just certain models? Links or locations would be great.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,178 ✭✭✭STB


    I am not being negative. I am saying that there are really good products on the market, particularly the french market and they are cheap because of the population. I have seen plenty of chinese samples, just be careful what you buy.

    Particularly good spec with PVR is the Akirahttp://www.homecine-compare.com/lecteur-AKIDHBB36HR-AKIRA-DHB-B36HR.htm

    Having said all that.... show us a few pictures of the sample box. :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,178 ✭✭✭STB


    redalicat wrote: »
    So "Freeview HD" would have MHEG5 or just certain models? Links or locations would be great.

    All models

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056125682


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,157 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    watty wrote: »
    IMO without MHEG5 it's a dead duck.

    Under £45 for a UK "Freeview HD" box. Warranty, MHEG5

    Freeview HD is not a guarantee of compatibility with Saorview as the D Book is not a complete standard, nor is it completely known - it is 'private' to DTG members.

    Major manufacturers try to meet all the standards they can, but some do not (eg Panasonic). It is cheaper that way, but smaller ones do not, and only work to minimum specs.

    £48 translates as nearly €60 and does that include delivery?

    All these prices will fall over the next 12 months, but as they fall, it becomes impossible for the retailer to make any money as margins disappear. Only top of the range products will be on sale.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    A Freeview box with MPEG4 is a much more dodgy bet. All those Panasonics are actually "Freeview" and not "Freeview HD"?
    The 7 day DVB-EIT EPG may not work on some "Freeview HD" boxes, but on those an RTE MHEG5 EPG might work.

    However, I'd avoid Panasonic and Philips till someone else tests them :)

    Tesco Refurbs on their outlet are £36.

    I'd advice anyone to wait a few months unless they are in desparate hurry


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,157 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    Reading some of the posts about Freeview HD would indicate not all are fully compatible with Saorview. Subtitles, EPG, Teletext are all areas for surprises. Not many manufacturers are going to go with certification because it is expensive and takes a long time to get. Some may certify all their products, some might not bother, and some may certify a few models.

    It is impossible to tell if Freeview HD is compliant because the standard is private. For example a box may only have 'country=UK' and put all the Saorview channels in the 800's. Not very good for Saorview.

    If it is not certified for Saorview, it must be checked out carefully.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,852 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Reading some of the posts about Freeview HD would indicate not all are fully compatible with Saorview. Subtitles, EPG, Teletext are all areas for surprises. Not many manufacturers are going to go with certification because it is expensive and takes a long time to get. Some may certify all their products, some might not bother, and some may certify a few models.

    It is impossible to tell if Freeview HD is compliant because the standard is private. For example a box may only have 'country=UK' and put all the Saorview channels in the 800's. Not very good for Saorview.

    If it is not certified for Saorview, it must be checked out carefully.

    We may see some clarification on the Saorview/freeview-HD issue this year according to the DTG press release from late last month.
    We look forward to working closely with Digital UK, Freeview, Dmol and Intellect and CAI, the trade bodies for consumer electronics and aerial installers, to ensure viewers in Northern Ireland make informed purchasing decisions and buy television equipment that we know will interoperate with cross-border signals."

    The DTG will provide members with further technical interoperability information in early 2011.

    http://www.dtg.org.uk/dtg/press_release.php?id=27


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,857 ✭✭✭Apogee


    watty wrote: »
    The 7 day DVB-EIT EPG may not work on some "Freeview HD" boxes, but on those an RTE MHEG5 EPG might work.

    When did RTÉ say that they were launching an MHEG-5 epg?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,852 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Apogee wrote: »
    When did RTÉ say that they were launching an MHEG-5 epg?

    Don't recall seeing any direct RTÉ reference to an MHEG-5 epg. They did of course broadcast a "green button" MHEG-5 test epg last summer.

    The first minimum receiver requirements from Feb 2008 did make reference to an alternative broadcast data MHEG-5 epg and the EasyTV (RTÉ) application included a reference to an enhanced or broadcast epg common to all receivers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    There is very little direct deliberately public information about anything so far apart from the spec.

    However some in RTE appear to think they can do loads of stuff with MHEG5 including hbbTv style stuff. But ethernet or WiFi is not a mandatory part of spec.

    To change the Freesat EPG you need new firmware. You can't change what DVB-EIT does as it's different implementations in different receivers of a "fixed" spec. An MHEG5 based application can be changed any time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,615 ✭✭✭Newtown90


    Has anyone else ordered any different model from China??:cool:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    The Cush wrote: »
    Don't recall seeing any direct RTÉ reference to an MHEG-5 epg.
    via http://www.rte.ie/saorview/receiving.html
    Key elements of the receiver specification include the following:

    1. The receiver needs to be capable of decoding both Standard Definition (SD) and High Definition (HD) MPEG 4 signals. This is important as RTÉ is planning to replace its current SD RTÉ Two service with an RTÉ Two HD service on SAORVIEW. More HD services are likely to follow in the future.

    2. The receiver needs to have MHEG5 middleware to decode RTÉ’s proposed new Digital Aertel Service and other possible interactive services.

    The official sites are hardly detailed.


    I'm nearly positive that someplace there has been indication that there will be MHEG5 EPG. It makes sense. Of course be nice if they keep the DVB-EIT. I think it's technically possible to read DVB-EIT info in an MHEG5 application, so it would not need to be duplication. They need to have info for both Multiplexes transmitted on both Multiplexes so you get full EPG no matter which channel you are on.

    The suggestion seems to be that we get the 2nd Multiplex before 2012 rather than in 2013 which was original plan (when pay DTT was live project). But I've not seen an official date.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,857 ✭✭✭Apogee


    watty wrote: »
    I'm nearly positive that someplace there has been indication that there will be MHEG5 EPG. It makes sense. Of course be nice if they keep the DVB-EIT. I think it's technically possible to read DVB-EIT info in an MHEG5 application, so it would not need to be duplication. They need to have info for both Multiplexes transmitted on both Multiplexes so you get full EPG no matter which channel you are on.

    You have speculated on a number of threads about RTÉ moving to an MHEG-5 EPG and then dropping the DVB-SI EPG. Whatever about the former, there is zero evidence to support the latter.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,157 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    RTE did have a trial MHEG 5 EPG earlier in the year but it soon went away. It had a few problems and was not the full product. I assume it is still in test, and will be unveiled when they surprise the nation with their brand new digital service.

    I wonder what they will call it? Obviously Freeview is already taken, Now what is the Irish for free? ... Hmmmmm .... I wonder?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    Apogee wrote: »
    You have speculated on a number of threads about RTÉ moving to an MHEG-5 EPG and then dropping the DVB-SI EPG. Whatever about the former, there is zero evidence to support the latter.
    no. I have speculated that there is no need to drop DVB-SI EPG.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,568 ✭✭✭Gerry Wicklow



    I wonder what they will call it? Obviously Freeview is already taken, Now what is the Irish for free? ... Hmmmmm .... I wonder?

    Obvious...
    Saor Tell
    :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,857 ✭✭✭Apogee


    watty wrote: »
    no. I have speculated that there is no need to drop DVB-SI EPG.

    You've speculated that DVB-EIT may no longer be transmitted .
    watty wrote: »
    But if DVB-EIT is discontinued in favour of MHEG5 EPG only, then PVR scheduling would be an issue.
    watty wrote: »
    A Generic FTA DVB-S2 HD satellite receiver will have no Freesat or Saorsat Interactive and only EPG on Saorsat as long as DVB-EIT full EPG is still transmitted.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    No, those examples are where I'm saying it would be a bad idea to discontinue. Not suggesting it will be discontinued.

    Subtle difference perhaps.

    Originally Posted by watty
    But if DVB-EIT is discontinued in favour of MHEG5 EPG only, then PVR scheduling would be an issue.

    The second quote doesn't suggest I think DVB-SI EIT full EPG will be discontinued. It's adding a potential disadvantage of Generic FTA vs MHEG5 box, for completeness. The main thrust is about Interactive.

    I have no idea if DVB-SI EIT full EPG will be discontinued or used forever. I think there is no need to end it. I think is was a strange decision of Freesat to not use DVB-SI EIT full EPG and add MHEG5 application(s) to use it.

    I was only ever pointing out issues of discontinuing it, not suggesting it will be or should be. I may have given wrong impression, or you may have mis-interpreted my post (or a bit of both). But I know what I think.

    No-one has suggested to me that it would discontinue, I'm not suggesting it will or should. No-one has confirmed it will continue either. I think it should continue AND there should be a good MHEG5 EPG application.

    There has been some suggestion there may be an MHEG5 EPG application. There has been no suggestions, hints or discussion at all I know off regarding continuing or discontinuing DVB-SI EIT full EPG.

    Is that clear now? :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,857 ✭✭✭Apogee


    watty wrote: »
    The second quote doesn't suggest I think DVB-SI EIT full EPG will be discontinued. It's adding a potential disadvantage of Generic FTA vs MHEG5 box, for completeness. The main thrust is about Interactive.

    It's only a disadvantage if you speculate that DVB-SI EPG will be discontinued and replaced by an MHEG-5 EPG only.
    watty wrote: »
    I have no idea if DVB-SI EIT full EPG will be discontinued or used forever. I think there is no need to end it. I think is was a strange decision of Freesat to not use DVB-SI EIT full EPG and add MHEG5 application(s) to use it.

    That's due to the way Sky transmit their EPG data on the TPs making it impossible to dual transmit full DVB-SI data on the same TPs.

    watty wrote: »
    There has been some suggestion there may be an MHEG5 EPG application. There has been no suggestions, hints or discussion at all I know off regarding continuing or discontinuing DVB-SI EIT full EPG.

    So you won't be speculating about DVB-SI being discontinued in future? Great.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    I never have in the past. :eek: Outlining the disadvantages of not having something isn't remotely the same thing as speculating it will be discontinued! :confused:

    It could even be interpreted as Speculation that they WON'T cease it as the disadvantages are too high.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,188 ✭✭✭wil


    watty wrote: »
    I never have in the past. :eek: Outlining the disadvantages of not having something isn't remotely the same thing as speculating it will be discontinued! :confused:

    It could even be interpreted as Speculation that they WON'T cease it as the disadvantages are too high.
    Surely that's pure unspeculation :D


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    I asked earlier whether the basic EPG would be broadcast as DVB-EIT (or is that DVB-SI) but with the likes of series link features in an MHEG5 layer. IIRC everyone avoided answering an essentially speculative question with even more speculation. :cool:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,857 ✭✭✭Apogee


    watty wrote: »
    I never have in the past. :eek: Outlining the disadvantages of not having something isn't remotely the same thing as speculating it will be discontinued! :confused:

    It could even be interpreted as Speculation that they WON'T cease it as the disadvantages are too high.
    watty wrote: »
    Of course be nice if they keep the DVB-EIT.

    Nobody else has raised the possibility that it would cease.


    If you wish to outline the advantages of MHEG-5 capable receiver over one which does not have MHEG-5, then why use a fantasy scenario where an MHEG-5 EPG completely replaces a DVB-EIT epg?

    Why not something plausible such as series link being implemented over MHEG-5 using the data from DVB-EIT/CRID, as in the UK? This is what was already proposed by RTÉ as part of the Easy TV submission for the commerical muxes. They specifically stated DVB-EIT would always be transmitted.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    Apogee wrote: »
    This is what was already proposed by RTÉ as part of the Easy TV submission for the commerical muxes. They specifically stated DVB-EIT would always be transmitted.

    That would end all the speculation, is there a link to the doc from the BCI website ???

    It also means that French "TNT HD" certified gear ( currently costing under €50 retail ) will handle all of tuning picture sound and 7 day EPG ....forever. Only thing missing will be fancy schmancy teletext and picture in picture.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,857 ✭✭✭Apogee


    easy1.jpg


    easy2.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    Sponge Bob wrote: »
    That would end all the speculation, is there a link to the doc from the BCI website ???

    It also means that French "TNT HD" certified gear ( currently costing under €50 retail ) will handle all of tuning picture sound and 7 day EPG ....forever. Only thing missing will be fancy schmancy teletext and picture in picture.

    Might not be the only thing missing. That's a very narrow view of MHEG5.

    It will be good if DVB-SI EIT (standard EPG) is available "forever"
    (though policies can change). It doesn't make having MHEG5 less a requirement.

    According to RTE
    Key elements of the receiver specification include the following:

    1. The receiver needs to be capable of decoding both Standard Definition (SD) and High Definition (HD) MPEG 4 signals. This is important as RTÉ is planning to replace its current SD RTÉ Two service with an RTÉ Two HD service on SAORVIEW. More HD services are likely to follow in the future.

    2. The receiver needs to have MHEG5 middleware to decode RTÉ’s proposed new Digital Aertel Service and other possible interactive services.
    (my emphasis)

    Thanks Apogee. The bit about PVRs is good
    Apogee wrote: »

    easy2.jpg


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,178 ✭✭✭STB


    Yes. But cant EIT be truncated to now/next.

    The Freesat EPG is built on MHEG5 using compressed huffman tables and data from each transponder is restricted to now/next info. Why you would do the same on a DVB-T mux might be a very good question.

    I have asked this question before in relation to the continued broadcasting of VBI text in parallel to MHEG5 application.

    Ultimately it is a question for RTENL.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,857 ✭✭✭Apogee


    watty wrote: »
    It will be good if DVB-SI EIT (standard EPG) is available "forever" [/B](though policies can change).

    That's an insightful statement from someone who claims they aren't speculating about the end of DVB-EIT EPG.

    Why 'if'? Why the quote marks around "forever"? Where exactly is it unclear from the document that both will be transmitted? The MHEG-5 EPG is dependent on the DVB-EIT EPG.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    I was recently looking at this utility 'EPG Grabber' or 'EPG Collector' which can grab all of EIT and MHEG5 and the SKY 'open TV' data and present a unified EPG on a HTPC. As they just launched Version 3 in the last 24 hours I thought I would give it a mention.

    Freesat broadcasts MHEG5 and EIT data for some channels but FREESAT compresses this data in each case.

    Quite a community built around it in Sourceforge :)

    Start here for all the linkees.

    http://thegreenbutton.com/forums/t/90097.aspx

    Importantly the source code is open and readable :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    Promising for future but useless for actual real time EPG or Interactive today
    PG Collector is a Windows command line utility for grabbing EPG data directly from the DVB data streams and creating an XMLTV compliant file. It has been used succesfully by many users for several months in NZ for collecting EIT and MHEG5 data for Freeview and Pay TV providers.

    It has now been enhanced to support the OpenTV EPG format used by Pay TV providers and can collect a full 7 day EPG in around 2 minutes. It is available on Sourceforge at http://sourceforge.net/projects/epgcollector/ It has already been successfully run in the UK.

    There is a GUI
    I failed to mention that the GUI has not been updated in this release.

    A new version of the GUI will be released in the near future.

    But it needs to be a PlugIn for Win7 MC (which already does Irish EPG and Irish MHEG5 perfectly out of the Box, also I think uses Internet to get UK EPG), ProgDVB, DVBDream, DVBviewer etc or it's essentially a curiosity.

    Quick start guide http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=126&topicid=61903

    download http://sourceforge.net/projects/epgcollector/

    I'll try it later. I have 2 x DVB-S2 PCI and dual DTT tuner USB stick on XP based PC feeding TV at 1080p 50. Pro bought versions of DVBprog and and DVBviewer and CoreAVC. We have one Win7 1920x1080 laptop which has a dual DTT USB stick, and very nice too. Other than streaming TS stream, no way to do Satellite on it.

    You have to use 1080p 50Hz progressive or else the PC can't properly upscale the 576i SD content. if you could change between 576i and 1080i on the fly, most HDTVs do better job than most graphics /PC solutions.

    I used never to have .ts (transport stream files) recordings play back in Media Player. I have Media player 10. MP11 appears to be DRMed to hell backward step on XP. Oddly recently MP10 on my XP PC (but on no others) now plays MPEG2, MPEG4 and .TS files with MPEG2 and MPEG4 happily. But oddly crushes them to a 4:3 window. Setting Screen Device Aspect ratio to 0.75 instead of 1.0 in MP10 settings fixes 16:9 playback of WS HD on HD TV. (tested with RTE 2 DTT and BBC HD Satellite recordings).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,711 ✭✭✭fat-tony


    The Freesat "method" of compressing EIT data using proprietary Huffman compression tables on a single transponder was a way of making the EPG data more bandwidth efficient and a method of locking Freesat EPG data into a common look and feel for manufacturers who wanted to badge their gear as Freesat. It also allowed BBC to specify that certain HD programming output be encrypted when copied to disk (as on the Humax Foxsat PVR) or place restrictions on the number of times the PVR would allow consumers export recorded material from internal disk storage to external USB thumb drives or whatever. Obviously the now/next data is available in the clear on each transponder.
    As far as I know the Freeview EIT data has no such restrictions and is transmitted much like the EIT data on Saorview as far as I know. The one difference with Freeview is the presence of CRID data which can allow PVRs to series link. I can't verify this info as I have no access to Freeview data streams, nor can I find a specification for the SI EIT data in Freeviw but that may be part of the infamous D book or whatever it is called.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,412 ✭✭✭francie81


    Not sure if its the right place to ask. But am thinking of cancelling my sky subscription which will mean I'll lose the Irish channels in digital and I only have a CRT TV with the analogue reception being terrible so I'd be looking to pick up digital automatically, can anyone tell me if I need to buy the box to do soo or does RTE supply them free of charge or is that just wishful thinking?

    Thanks


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,852 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    francie81 wrote: »
    can anyone tell me if I need to buy the box to do soo or does RTE supply them free of charge or is that just wishful thinking?

    You buy your own receiver.

    http://www.powercity.ie/?action=story&keyword=saorview
    http://www.saorview.ie/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    They may eventually give €50 toward a box for 30,000 really poor people
    To prepare for the switch on of digital television, €1.5 million has been set aside to grant aid set-top boxes for those on lower incomes.

    So yes you need to buy your own. If you want a new Big HDTV, it will work with without a setbox.
    http://www.saortv.info/2010/12/08/grants-for-set-box/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,412 ✭✭✭francie81


    The Cush wrote: »

    Thought soo thanks cush I think my television stand will surely qualify as a esb plant again am done:rolleyes:


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    fat-tony wrote: »
    .
    As far as I know the Freeview EIT data has no such restrictions and is transmitted much like the EIT data on Saorview as far as I know. The one difference with Freeview is the presence of CRID data which can allow PVRs to series link. I can't verify this info as I have no access to Freeview data streams, nor can I find a specification for the SI EIT data in Freeviw but that may be part of the infamous D book or whatever it is called.

    There is a Freeware MHEG5 emulator/authoring tool named Triton which is available here

    http://www.oceanbluesoftware.com/products-amp-services/products/triton-authoring-tool

    However there are no specific Irish Country Profile 'enhancements'...probably won't be either while RTE thinks that the Language Code for Irish is a Nigerian Language.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    Sponge Bob wrote: »
    I was recently looking at this utility 'EPG Grabber' or 'EPG Collector' which can grab all of EIT and MHEG5 and the SKY 'open TV' data and present a unified EPG on a HTPC. As they just launched Version 3 in the last 24 hours I thought I would give it a mention.

    I looked at this.

    It's junk. It tunes separately so you can't have your viewing application running. It just makes EPG listings that then can be imported by some other programs. No MHEG5 support.

    Also to use it in Ireland you need to select UK and All regions.

    It doesn't even work very well.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    Sponge Bob wrote: »
    There is a Freeware MHEG5 emulator/authoring tool named Triton which is available here

    http://www.oceanbluesoftware.com/products-amp-services/products/triton-authoring-tool

    However there are no specific Irish Country Profile 'enhancements'...probably won't be either while RTE thinks that the Language Code for Irish is a Nigerian Language.

    RTE NL uses UK Profile for MHEG5.

    You need your own MPEG4 encoders or files, Transport Multiplexer and DVB-T modulator to use an MHEG5 authoring tool. i.e. It's for budget Community TV Multiplex or exotic Hotel system using MHEG5 for internal advertising/info instead of custome teletext.


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