What motions would you propose to Congress?

just wondering what motions would you propose to congress?

i suppose for now the only thing i can think of is the colour clash issue. a central committee dictates what each county wears and set clear penalties for those who dont comply.

Some stupid motions proposed recently. while im a proud tipp man, i dont agree with thurles getting every Munster hurling final and to be honest the u21 AI final should be played elsewhere if tipp get to final.

blackbelt

Deleted User wrote: »

just wondering what motions would you propose to congress?

i suppose for now the only thing i can think of is the colour clash issue. a central committee dictates what each county wears and set clear penalties for those who dont comply.

Some stupid motions proposed recently. while im a proud tipp man, i dont agree with thurles getting every Munster hurling final and to be honest the u21 AI final should be played elsewhere if tipp get to final.

I would put a motion in place whereby umpires have more power to help the referee or make judgement calls on square balls or any incidents like the Meath v Louth match.

theoneeyedman

Ban handpassing complety from Gaelic football

shockframe

theoneeyedman wrote: »

Ban handpassing complety from Gaelic football

Only 2/3 handpass movements allowed after which ball must be kicked.

Royal Seahawk

Like in soccer I think county boards should be held responsible for the behaviour of their fans, hopefully it might lead to an avoidance of the sickening scenes which followed last year's Leinster final.

I also believe that Galway and Antrim's u-21 and minor hurling teams should be playing in Leinster.

telboy

Remove the idiotic ruling that under 12s can't play competitive football. If this rule stays players will move to soccer as they will be sick of learning the skills without getting a chance to practise them in a competitive situation. Go-Games only do so much. Lads become bored as there is no prize at stake. I really blieve this rule will have long term implications if implemented.

Royal Seahawk

telboy wrote: »

Remove the idiotic ruling that under 12s can't play competitive football. If this rule stays players will move to soccer as they will be sick of learning the skills without getting a chance to practise them in a competitive situation. Go-Games only do so much. Lads become bored as there is no prize at stake. I really blieve this rule will have long term implications if implemented.

That include schools?

ormond lad

telboy wrote: »

Remove the idiotic ruling that under 12s can't play competitive football. If this rule stays players will move to soccer as they will be sick of learning the skills without getting a chance to practise them in a competitive situation. Go-Games only do so much. Lads become bored as there is no prize at stake. I really blieve this rule will have long term implications if implemented.

Royal Seahawk wrote: »

That include schools?

This rule change is one of the best the GAA has ever made. Two of the most successful counties in the last decade Kilkenny and tyrone both have no competitive competition below under 12s.
just because there is no competition doesnt not mean games will not be competitive. Kids will hardly not care about losing just because their isnt a medal to be won.
It just means there would be no county champions.
More kids get a chance to play as instead of 15 playing and the rest sitting on the sideline all kids get to be on the pitch and with smaller playing numbers all players are more likely to touch the ball.
One thing that could have been done is that children who have not played the GO-Games system at u8 or u10 should not have this system imposed on them at u12 level. They should continue to play with what they are used to and Go Games should be introduced from u8 level

Soccer may still have competetive leagues for u8s,10s and 12s but rugby changed to having no competitive leagues to blitz format 7 years ago and its been an enormous success

telboy

I have refereed Go Games earlier this Summer and I can tell you the kids get bored after a couple of matches and start messing about. What they much prefer are competitive blitzes. Players get used to playing in proper positions and relish the competitive aspect of it. Teams play against other teams of similar standard so there is noteam getting destroyed.

Daysha

Deleted User wrote: »

Some stupid motions proposed recently. while im a proud tipp man, i dont agree with thurles getting every Munster hurling final and to be honest the u21 AI final should be played elsewhere if tipp get to final.

That one was withdrawn at the Tipp county convention so won't be going to Congress.

unknown13

Royal Seahawk wrote: »

Like in soccer I think county boards should be held responsible for the behaviour of their fans, hopefully it might lead to an avoidance of the sickening scenes which followed last year's Leinster final.

I would second this. Louth fans were absolutely disgraceful after the Leinster final. Dublin or Meath fans wouldn't have done that. Louth should have received some sort of punishment.

I think there is a few rules for football that need clarity. IE Tackle, what is legal and what isn't.

Get rid of square ball rule.

Removal of barriers on hill 16.

A system were league performances have some influence on the fixtures for the Championship.

bruschi

get rid of the ridiculous rule stopping GAA clubs doing what they want with their grounds and if they want to rent astro turf or sports halls to other sports clubs. A lot of clubs built modern facilities with the aim of generating revenue to keep these afloat, and now the GAA is punishing them for allowing other codes train or use them.

keane2097

Make yellow cards much more difficult to pick up and introduce a sin bin for when a player is cautioned.

The square ball rule needs to be looked at as it is physically impossible to accurately referee in its current incarnation.

Clareman

I think the yellow card should be looked into again, bring in a third card, orange maybe , that will be for consistant fouling or a kind of serious foul, 10 minutes in the bin for you, silly to have someone sent off for 3 silly frees when 10 minutes could cover it.

I think that intercounty championship games should be deemed "Elite" games and should be officated by under a different set of rules for officals. All officals should be wired up to each other and all officals should be fully qualified referees. There should be 2 officals on the side line to manage score keeping and time keeping, as well as subs. Each team will have 1 "challange" to a decision per half, in the case of a decision that they aren't happy with they can challange it, at which point all officals (with the ref being in charge) will give feedback, at which point the decision can be overruled.

Bring back 2 points for a sideline cut in hurling.

Review the "making space" technique of players (i.e. swinging hurley behind them when they get possession).

Leave square ball rule (with proper ref's as umpires it'll work) but remove protection for goalies in the square, all players should be equal.

All kick outs to be from the hand from anywhere behind the penalty spot.

All puck outs to be taken like a free anywhere inside the small square

Extra time is a continuation of the match, not a new game (i.e. sending offs can't be replaced).

rebel girl 15

keane2097 wrote: »

Make yellow cards much more difficult to pick up and introduce a sin bin for when a player is cautioned.

The square ball rule needs to be looked at as it is physically impossible to accurately referee in its current incarnation.

How would you work the yellow card one without taking the physicality out of the game - I'm coming from a game that has few yellow cards such as ladies football, where there is less physical contact etc

Square ball one can't be dealt with until 2014 if the five year rule is still in place, I know it went to Central Council in Nov but not sure what happened with it

Clareman wrote: »

I think the yellow card should be looked into again, bring in a third card, orange maybe , that will be for consistant fouling or a kind of serious foul, 10 minutes in the bin for you, silly to have someone sent off for 3 silly frees when 10 minutes could cover it.

I think that intercounty championship games should be deemed "Elite" games and should be officated by under a different set of rules for officals. All officals should be wired up to each other and all officals should be fully qualified referees. There should be 2 officals on the side line to manage score keeping and time keeping, as well as subs. Each team will have 1 "challange" to a decision per half, in the case of a decision that they aren't happy with they can challange it, at which point all officals (with the ref being in charge) will give feedback, at which point the decision can be overruled. TBH, unless you pay those officials, this won't happen -

Bring back 2 points for a sideline cut in hurling. Was that not proposed by Tipp last year - was five years ago since it was done, so it can be done

Review the "making space" technique of players (i.e. swinging hurley behind them when they get possession).

Leave square ball rule (with proper ref's as umpires it'll work) but remove protection for goalies in the square, all players should be equal.

All kick outs to be from the hand from anywhere behind the penalty spot.

All puck outs to be taken like a free anywhere inside the small square

Extra time is a continuation of the match, not a new game (i.e. sending offs can't be replaced).

As regards the referees, the linesmen are qualified referees, but I would like to see (and I think is being done) is that the team of umpires for each referee must undergo a written rules test and proper training, because short of paying qualified referees to be umpires, you won't get them in anything short of a big game because they could be out refereeing two if not three games locally and getting paid for them. You still have the trust between umpire and referee and you also can give umpires greater powers in regards to the match rules, same with the linesmen. I'd like to see referees giving the option to consult with linesmen over scores.

I'd love to see the five year rule done away with as well, and a number of clarifications within the rule book.

largepants

I'd like to see club games increasing to 35 minutes per half as per intercounty games.

I could never understand why there is a difference. I don't know of any other sport where this happens. However I'm open to correction.

Clareman

I don't mind having a difference between club and inter-county times, players wouldn't be as fit at club level.

BTW, I can't see why it'd be difficult to get 4 extra qualified ref's (now that I typed it I realise the problem ), but I guess that could be put as the responsibility of the host location (e.g. is the match is on in Ennis, it's up to the Clare county board to get 4 local refs)

Daysha

Daysha wrote: »

That one was withdrawn at the Tipp county convention so won't be going to Congress.

common sense prevailed

Ian_K

Current yellow card rules a grand imo, length of games is fine too really

The major problems last year were too much hand passing and the umpire issues

Maybe a free against a team for 3 consecutive hand passes and change to square ball rule to when the ball is kicked (didnt see any problems with it when it was tried out), makes it so much easier to officiate it as the current rules are close to impossible for referees and umpires alike

rebel girl 15

Lads, does anyone have a definite idea about the five year rule - I know it was going to central in order to go to Congress, but was it passed by Central? If it was, surely there should be an EGM to pass that in order for counties to propose adaptions to the current playing rules

rebel girl 15

Deleted User wrote: »

Some stupid motions proposed recently. while im a proud tipp man, i dont agree with thurles getting every Munster hurling final and to be honest the u21 AI final should be played elsewhere if tipp get to final.

If Tipp get to the final, fair enough, but Thurles is the spiritual home of hurling (btw I'm from Cork!), and for the players, its the best stadium to hurl in in Munster, thats coming from the vibe I get anyway, I could be all wrong. On that line, Gaelic Grounds got no game this year iirc, so maybe something along the lines of that every stadium in the province gets a game

unknown13

2 referees for Hurling

Referees must wear Helmets of some sort. The players have to and yet the GAA don't protect the referees. Makes little sense.

Abolish the foreign manufacturer rule.

keane2097

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

How would you work the yellow card one without taking the physicality out of the game - I'm coming from a game that has few yellow cards such as ladies football, where there is less physical contact etc

It's the first line in my post, make them hard to get.

Refs seem to have forgotten that a free is a punishment for a foul and give out yellow cards for incredibly inoccuous offenses.

keane2097

unknown13 wrote: »

2 referees for Hurling

Referees must wear Helmets of some sort. The players have to and yet the GAA don't protect the referees. Makes little sense.

When did you last see a ref hit by a sliotar?

unknown13

keane2097 wrote: »

When did you last see a ref hit by a sliotar?

What will happen the day it does actually?

Public up roar will happen and the GAA will get extremely heavily critised for not looking after the referee.

rebel girl 15

keane2097 wrote: »

It's the first line in my post, make them hard to get.

Refs seem to have forgotten that a free is a punishment for a foul and give out yellow cards for incredibly inoccuous offenses.

TBH, I'd disagree with you, a number of offenses by a player warrents a yellow card, lot of times referees can be too lenient - should be on second offense for many - makes no real difference to the player unless they are stupid enough to keep going and get sent off - not like the Premiership where yellow cards carry through. Rules are there to be enforced, too many times people are complaining that they are not enforced and even if they do get sent off for a second yellow, they are free to play the next game - changing that rule might be more worthwhile imo

Technical fouls=free, aggressive fouls=yellow in most cases for first or second offense

rebel girl 15

unknown13 wrote: »

2 referees for Hurling

Referees must wear Helmets of some sort. The players have to and yet the GAA don't protect the referees. Makes little sense.

Abolish the foreign manufacturer rule.

Two referees thing was muted around, by I'm sure was dismissed - I'd be in favour of proper training for all officials and greater powers to linesmen and umpires - positioning of the referee can help hugely

Don't agree with the helmet thing, referees are never the target of the sliotar, position wise they are supposed to be a close enough to the action to see but not to interfere. TBH only case it would happen is if a player directly hit the sliotar at the referee on purpose because of the positioning of the referee on the field. I don't think any pass by a player would be low enough to hit the referee accidentally

Foreign manufacturer rule - don't see the problem, companies free to apply for a licence and if it keeps jobs in Ireland, then I'm all for it tbh. Very easy to get around that rule btw, know of quite a few companies doing it!

Ian_K

Ooooh ive got another one

Referees to make sure scorable frees are taken from the correct position!! Pisses me off big time, if you take a sideline kick from 1 centimeter inside the sideline the flag will go straight up but certain players *cough*Gooch*cough* were stealing meters in their run ups last year

rebel girl 15

Ian_K wrote: »

Ooooh ive got another one

Referees to make sure scorable frees are taken from the correct position!! Pisses me off big time, if you take a sideline kick from 1 centimeter inside the sideline the flag will go straight up but certain players *cough*Gooch*cough* were stealing meters in their run ups last year

Maybe something like rugby, where there is a mark on the pitch, umpires and linesmen as well as the referee to enforce the rule 4.24 - To advance the ball deliberately from the place at which a free kick or side-line kick is to be
taken

Clareman

Thurles doesn't suit Clare, if we were playing Kerry, Limerick or Tipp, Limerick would be far more suitable, it's only when we are playing Cork or Waterford that Thurles is "neutral".

For frees, I would have a mark where the defenders can stand, free can be taken from any position behind that

mrgaa1

What I'd like to see is:

Delegates that go to congress and that are mandated to vote by their county board (which is made mostly by clubs) to vote the way they are mandated.

2 points for a sideline cut

Go-Game rules implemented up to U-16 with U14 and U16 remaining competitive.

Football: If the ball goes wide the kickout can be taken from 21yard line.
If a score takes place kickout from the small square
(Reason: penalise the offending team for the miss - penalise the defending team for conceding)

Frees: the referee or linesperson will use a marker - bean bag or whatever and the resulting free must be taken behind that marker.
OR a defender can stand behind the marker making the free taker kick it before that place - similar to Aussie Rules

Yellow Cards: yellow cards to accumulate similar to soccer - 3 or 4 yellows would mean a further match ban.

No player should be allowed to challenge the referee unless the captain of the team does it. If the referee wants to book someone or talk to them the captain must be there. Similar to rugby and will increase discipline.

No video technology to be used at all
No challenges from managers
tighten up what we have first - increase training for officials - perhaps introduce a pre-match meeting between match officials, management, team captain. This would help to diffuse any issues and would allow clarifications.

No foreign manufacturers of equipment allowed.

Finally a complete re-write of the rule book is required to simplify rules especially discipline.

DH2K9

mrgaa1 wrote: »

What I'd like to see is:

Delegates that go to congress and that are mandated to vote by their county board (which is made mostly by clubs) to vote the way they are mandated.

2 points for a sideline cut

Go-Game rules implemented up to U-16 with U14 and U16 remaining competitive.

Football: If the ball goes wide the kickout can be taken from 21yard line.
If a score takes place kickout from the small square
(Reason: penalise the offending team for the miss - penalise the defending team for conceding)

Frees: the referee or linesperson will use a marker - bean bag or whatever and the resulting free must be taken behind that marker.
OR a defender can stand behind the marker making the free taker kick it before that place - similar to Aussie Rules

Yellow Cards: yellow cards to accumulate similar to soccer - 3 or 4 yellows would mean a further match ban.

No player should be allowed to challenge the referee unless the captain of the team does it. If the referee wants to book someone or talk to them the captain must be there. Similar to rugby and will increase discipline.

No video technology to be used at all
No challenges from managers
tighten up what we have first - increase training for officials - perhaps introduce a pre-match meeting between match officials, management, team captain. This would help to diffuse any issues and would allow clarifications.

No foreign manufacturers of equipment allowed.

Finally a complete re-write of the rule book is required to simplify rules especially discipline.

Don't agree with you on the kick outs. For me all kickout should be taken from the 21m line. Helps keepers like myself, who can't kick a ball feel better. With the new kickout rule being from 13m, is there any reason for the 21m line anymore?

Clareman

DH2K9 wrote: »

With the new kickout rule being from 13m, is there any reason for the 21m line anymore?

Still used for frees in hurling, not sure about football, bit like the 65 line I guess

DH2K9

Clareman wrote: »

Still used for frees in hurling, not sure about football, bit like the 65 line I guess

Also with the kick out being 13m, how long do the keepers have to kick it because I remember Quirke hitting it way shorter than 13m in the All-Ireland last year but the referee never blew it up once.

Magi11

The main problem in Gaelic Football for the last decade at least is the over reliance on hand passing. The one thing that the International Rules series showed is that it is possible to bring in a limit to the number of consecutive hand passes and it is easy enough to police it. I'd imagine 4 hand passes before the ball must be kicked would be fine. Of course every county manager in the country would be against it out of self interest.

I would like to see the mark from kick outs being tried in the summer time as opposed to the league.

Lastly, get rid of the square ball. It serves no purpose.

Pete_Cavan

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

TBH, I'd disagree with you, a number of offenses by a player warrents a yellow card, lot of times referees can be too lenient - should be on second offense for many - makes no real difference to the player unless they are stupid enough to keep going and get sent off - not like the Premiership where yellow cards carry through. Rules are there to be enforced, too many times people are complaining that they are not enforced and even if they do get sent off for a second yellow, they are free to play the next game - changing that rule might be more worthwhile imo

Technical fouls=free, aggressive fouls=yellow in most cases for first or second offense

I think the rule should be a player who receives two yellow cards is replaced by another player for the rest of the game and this counts as a substitution. This way you are punishing the player and not the team. Also refs bottle a lot of decisions where a player deserves another yellow card for a simple foul but the ref does not want to ruin the game over a small incident. It means the ref is more likely to issue a second yellow and punish the player for the foul while the game remains competitive. The theory at least is that because every foul is punished appropriately so it leads to less fouls. Collecting 3/4 yellow cars leads to a one match suspension. Serious offences that warrent a red card would still see the team reduced to 14.

Also I think only the four midfielders should be allowed between the two 45s for kickouts. It encourages high catches because the players several other players jumping with them, most of the time it would be a one-on-one battle to win the ball in the air which would be great to watch. Also it rewards making the catch because with the current situation once a midfielder has caught the ball he is surrounded with players when he lands, has nowhere to go and often gives away a free for over-carrying to losses the ball. Once the ball is kicked half backs/forwards can run in to pick up any breaks.

aDeener

mrgaa1 wrote: »

What I'd like to see is:

Delegates that go to congress and that are mandated to vote by their county board (which is made mostly by clubs) to vote the way they are mandated.

2 points for a sideline cut

Go-Game rules implemented up to U-16 with U14 and U16 remaining competitive.

Football: If the ball goes wide the kickout can be taken from 21yard line.
If a score takes place kickout from the small square
(Reason: penalise the offending team for the miss - penalise the defending team for conceding)

Frees: the referee or linesperson will use a marker - bean bag or whatever and the resulting free must be taken behind that marker.
OR a defender can stand behind the marker making the free taker kick it before that place - similar to Aussie Rules

Yellow Cards: yellow cards to accumulate similar to soccer - 3 or 4 yellows would mean a further match ban.

No player should be allowed to challenge the referee unless the captain of the team does it. If the referee wants to book someone or talk to them the captain must be there. Similar to rugby and will increase discipline.

No video technology to be used at all
No challenges from managers
tighten up what we have first - increase training for officials - perhaps introduce a pre-match meeting between match officials, management, team captain. This would help to diffuse any issues and would allow clarifications.

No foreign manufacturers of equipment allowed.

Finally a complete re-write of the rule book is required to simplify rules especially discipline.

WTF?? :eek:

theoneeyedman

keane2097 wrote: »

When did you last see a ref hit by a sliotar?

More likely to get a skite off a hurl from andisgruntled corner back than with a sliotar

gerryff

Discipline is a massive problem in the G.A.A. tis one of the worst sports for discipline as players can basically go out on the field and do what they want. These are the problems
they have 4 bodies where if u lose ur first appeal, then u go to the next body and appeal again. Why not have one?
Discipline body do not meet on Mondays after matches- they wait for the media to give out about particular incidents from Sundays matches.
This rubbish of having weeks bans instead of matches is ridiculous. some months you could have 4 matches others 1 match in a month.
Blaming the Meath county Board entirely for the Leinster final was a joke. They took no responsibility for not having the balls to admit it was a fiasco.
Having umpires that are as good as statues causes fights as they are looking at each other when a call has to be made.
They shud with work with the Government to make it a criminal offence for abusing and attacking referees.

bruschi

gerryff wrote: »

Discipline is a massive problem in the G.A.A. tis one of the worst sports for discipline as players can basically go out on the field and do what they want. These are the problems
they have 4 bodies where if u lose ur first appeal, then u go to the next body and appeal again. Why not have one?
Discipline body do not meet on Mondays after matches- they wait for the media to give out about particular incidents from Sundays matches.
This rubbish of having weeks bans instead of matches is ridiculous. some months you could have 4 matches others 1 match in a month.
Blaming the Meath county Board entirely for the Leinster final was a joke. They took no responsibility for not having the balls to admit it was a fiasco.
Having umpires that are as good as statues causes fights as they are looking at each other when a call has to be made.
They shud with work with the Government to make it a criminal offence for abusing and attacking referees.

agree with your point in principle. there are far too many diciplinary boards, and players take it to every level possible. the diciplinary system for aussie rules is a great model to work off, and I cant see why the GAA havent brought in something similar.

for those who dont know it, the basic concept is as follows:

1. game played. Players are reported by referees if something happens.
2. diciplinary board meets on monday morning and takes referees reports and looks at incidents not reported. the level of offence is categorised by its seriousness. so a head butt say is serious, and a scuffle is minor. there is automatic points handed to the player. so 100 points is a 1 game suspension, 200 is 2 game etc.
3. the players previous record is taken into account. if they have a clean slate, they get a percentage reduction, but their points total is carried forward and stays on record, so it will be added to further indiscretions.
4. the player is notified, and has the option to appeal. If they appeal, the case is looked at again.
5. Appeal process happens on a wednesday or thursday. If the player succeeds in his appeal, the appropriate reduction takes place. If he is unsuccesful, his suspension is increased. This is the main point, is it worth appealing. In GAA every player appeasl regardless of obvious guilt.
6. once the appeal board is finished, that is it. the player takes the punishment.

the one thing I hate about GAA is that you can get as many yellow cards as you want. you can act like a right pr!ck throughout games and get away with it. the problem with replacing 2 yellows with another player is if you have a good corner forward, and the back is fouling him all game long, then a sub can come on for him and keep doing the same. it encourages negativity.

also, the point about abusing refs and officials is horrible. it should not happen, and there is no excuse for it.

After Kilkenny failing to register a score yesterday in the league and getting hammered yet again does anyone else think that a 5th football division should be created for weaker football areas, i.e, South Galway, North Tipp (i.e for clubs up north like Toomevara with no football teams competing), East Cork, Waterford City, etc

EDIT: Its also worth noting that this would be a standalone division and you wouldn't have promotion to div 4 or relegation from it

ShamoBuc

Deleted User wrote: »

After Kilkenny failing to register a score yesterday in the league and getting hammered yet again does anyone else think that a 5th football division should be created for weaker football areas, i.e, South Galway, North Tipp (i.e for clubs up north like Toomevara with no football teams competing), East Cork, Waterford City, etc

EDIT: Its also worth noting that this would be a standalone division and you wouldn't have promotion to div 4 or relegation from it

Interesting idea, but to be fair Cloyne's Junior Football team ( East Cork ) would beat KK handy enough I would say. I think KK county board should be MADE improve football in their county! It is their responsibility is it not?

bren2001

Deleted User wrote: »

EDIT: Its also worth noting that this would be a standalone division and you wouldn't have promotion to div 4 or relegation from it

Nice idea, but if you can't progress from the division its very hard for the team to progress. They get knocked out of the championship in 2 games but if they win that league how do they get regular games against hard opposition. Something needs to be done for the weaker teams alright

MagnumPIG

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Syferus

Football and hurling both would benefit from a rugby-style clock system where the referee can stop the clock and the game doesn't end until the ball goes out of play or the defending team get a free.

The most depressing thing in team sports is watching every player and their mother feign injury or otherwise delay time when their team is winning. It wouldn't stop it completely but it'd go some distance to cleaning it up and it wouldn't really effect the games in any real way besides making the players, you know, play.

Daysha

Syferus wrote: »

Football and hurling both would benefit from a rugby-style clock system where the referee can stop the clock and the game doesn't end until the ball goes out of play or the defending team get a free.

The most depressing thing in team sports is watching every player and their mother feign injury or otherwise delay time when their team is winning. It wouldn't stop it completely but it'd go some distance to cleaning it up and it wouldn't really effect the games in any real way besides making the players, you know, play.

In fairness when was the last time you ever saw anybody feign an injury or time waste during a hurling Championship game? It rarely if ever happens and is no way near the same level of what goes on in soccer there days. The added few minutes for subs and real injuries works fine as it is IMO.

Syferus

Daysha wrote: »

In fairness when was the last time you ever saw anybody feign an injury or time waste during a hurling Championship game? It rarely if ever happens and is no way near the same level of what goes on in soccer there days. The added few minutes for subs and real injuries works fine as it is IMO.

It happens in just about every hurling or football game I've ever seen that's tight going into the final ten minutes. Maybe hurling isn't as prevalent but logically there's no reason why that'd be the case as you're leaving the opposition less time to score by taking a long time with frees or falling down with imagined (or real) cramps. Even in the club football final on Thursday it was easy to see it in action. It's become a rote tactic and that was hardly the GAA's intention when the rules of the game were drawn up.

The problem with added minutes is it hardly ever reflects the real amount of time lost for injuries or other stoppages and that has probably directly changed the result of many a game, especially in hurling where the scoring range is so wide. If players know there's a hard limit you remove that level of subjectivity from the time-keeping and make for a fairer game overall.

The only issue to it is stadiums would need a visible clock, but the GAA's half-hearted attempt to do so shows even that much is already on the agenda.

rebel girl 15

Sry to be bringing up an slightly old thread, but did any of ye watch Cooney with the Queen in Croke Park - I'd nearly be certain that he said something about gumshield coming in soon to football? I know the motion went before the ladies congress and was defeated, but I hadn't heard anything about the lads, anyone hear anything about it?

Deise Tom

1. Every Club/County Board would get a grant from Croke Park to erect netting to go from the ground to the top of the posts, attachable to the uprights and protective netting behind the goals. This i feel would be a fairer way to determine if the ball went between the up-rights or to the side of the post and behind, - cutting out the dodgy scores. This would be more favourable than Hawlk-Eye, as you would have the same rule everyplace, and not just at the bigger grounds.

2. The handpass would be done away with in football, or limited to one or two per attack. The game is FOOTBALL and not FISTBALL. Coaches that want to keep the hand pass should be encouraged to make up their own game, or be encouraged to play Basketball or Rugby.

3. In Football, any free awarded to a team inside their oponents 45 would have to be kicked off the ground, and exception to be made only for a quick free. If a player does opt to take a free from his hands, he should not be allowed to score direct from it.

4. Referees to get more respect. Ok, there is some that will make mistakes during the course of the game (some of which could have a bearing on the final outcome) but referees are human, and humans are prone to making mistakes. Maybe a rugby style rule whereby the captain who soccer style would wear a distintive band on his arm is the only one allowed to question a referees decisions.

5. Under 12 hurling and football to be made competitive. The same with the schools competitions. I feel Liam O'Neill and his fellow committee members who campaigned for such changes to be made in the first place could in the long term have a lot of questions to answer, when children who want to take part in competitive sports give up football and hurling and turn their hands to soccer and rugby. Winning and Competitiveness is makes the GAA what it is. Children just like adults like to win and to be winners.

6. A definate date be found for the playing of the Railway Cups and stuck to. When they were on St Patrick's Day there was good numbers attending them. I suggest playing the finals on Easter Monday, with the semi finals played on the same weekend as the Fitzgibbon and Siggerson cup games. There is no games played these weekends anyway in the league so the dates are free for the semi finals. The draws would be be the same for both hurling and football (Ulster V Leinster, Munster V Connacht) etc and both games would be played at the one venue. The draws would be done by an open draw. The Finals would rotate between the provinces and would be played in who ever turn is is to hold them, regardless of whether that province is in a final or not. The semi finals and finals would be kept away from the larger grounds in the provience until such times that they have built up a profile once again, when at such stage they would be played at the bigger grounds in the provience due to hold the final.

7. The Leagues would be made more profile. Croke Park and each County Board in conjunction with the sponsors would engage in a positive advertising campaign and try and get bums on seats. When the same county are due to play each other in football and hurling the GAA would come up with a plan that would allow the two games to be played at the one venue, and not like the mad way they came up with this year when the Waterford hurlers travelled to Offaly and the Offaly footballers travelled to Dungarvan on the one day. If to do this, it meant that all previous home and away arangements between the sides would be dispensed with. If it means that other fixtures have to be changed, so be it. Each team would have 3 or 4 home and away games anyway. To ensure that Managers would play their strongest possible teams in the leagues, worth while prizes would be handed out. e.g. Croke Park would pay for a bonding session/training camp for the winners in the next calendar year or between the league and the championship. With more profile and worthwhile leagues, the championship would revert to a knockout competiton, thus giving more time and scope to the club championships in each county.

8. The Minor grade would be raised to an under 19 competition. With so many 18 year olds sitting the leaving cert, been asked to play and train for their county etc in the early part of the year, raising the age limit to 19 would take some pressure off them. The same could apply if the age limit was cut to 17. I know there still would be leaving cert students involved by raising or dropping the age limit but it would cut some pressure on the 18 year olds, (the ones who are mostly sitting the leaving).

ormond lad

Deise Tom wrote: »

1. Every Club/County Board would get a grant from Croke Park to erect netting to go from the ground to the top of the posts, attachable to the uprights and protective netting behind the goals. This i feel would be a fairer way to determine if the ball went between the up-rights or to the side of the post and behind, - cutting out the dodgy scores. This would be more favourable than Hawlk-Eye, as you would have the same rule everyplace, and not just at the bigger grounds.
agree but system like hawkeye should be used for games where technology is available

2. The handpass would be done away with in football, or limited to one or two per attack. The game is FOOTBALL and not FISTBALL. Coaches that want to keep the hand pass should be encouraged to make up their own game, or be encouraged to play Basketball or Rugby.
agree, limit it to 2 passes per possession
3. In Football, any free awarded to a team inside their oponents 45 would have to be kicked off the ground, and exception to be made only for a quick free. If a player does opt to take a free from his hands, he should not be allowed to score direct from it.

4. Referees to get more respect. Ok, there is some that will make mistakes during the course of the game (some of which could have a bearing on the final outcome) but referees are human, and humans are prone to making mistakes. Maybe a rugby style rule whereby the captain who soccer style would wear a distintive band on his arm is the only one allowed to question a referees decisions.
as players are generally in set positions on the pitch allow 2-3 players per team query a refs decisions

5. Under 12 hurling and football to be made competitive. The same with the schools competitions. I feel Liam O'Neill and his fellow committee members who campaigned for such changes to be made in the first place could in the long term have a lot of questions to answer, when children who want to take part in competitive sports give up football and hurling and turn their hands to soccer and rugby. Winning and Competitiveness is makes the GAA what it is. Children just like adults like to win and to be winners.
its not all about winning,there has not been competitive mini rugby(u12 down) leagues since 2004. Of course kids want to win but having u12 teams with 25 players and some kids getting very little game time is no good, with the go games every kid gets around the same time on the pitch and more should enjoy the game

6. A definate date be found for the playing of the Railway Cups and stuck to. When they were on St Patrick's Day there was good numbers attending them. I suggest playing the finals on Easter Monday, with the semi finals played on the same weekend as the Fitzgibbon and Siggerson cup games. There is no games played these weekends anyway in the league so the dates are free for the semi finals. The draws would be be the same for both hurling and football (Ulster V Leinster, Munster V Connacht) etc and both games would be played at the one venue. The draws would be done by an open draw. The Finals would rotate between the provinces and would be played in who ever turn is is to hold them, regardless of whether that province is in a final or not. The semi finals and finals would be kept away from the larger grounds in the provience until such times that they have built up a profile once again, when at such stage they would be played at the bigger grounds in the provience due to hold the final.
how much interest would there be in inter pro hurling and football games. Most players play enough as it is why add another game or two that they dont need

7. The Leagues would be made more profile. Croke Park and each County Board in conjunction with the sponsors would engage in a positive advertising campaign and try and get bums on seats.better promotion of season tickets will do When the same county are due to play each other in football and hurling the GAA would come up with a plan that would allow the two games to be played at the one venue, and not like the mad way they came up with this year when the Waterford hurlers travelled to Offaly and the Offaly footballers travelled to Dungarvan on the one day. If to do this, it meant that all previous home and away arangements between the sides would be dispensed with. If it means that other fixtures have to be changed, so be it. Each team would have 3 or 4 home and away games anyway. To ensure that Managers would play their strongest possible teams in the leagues, worth while prizes would be handed out. e.g. Croke Park would pay for a bonding session/training camp for the winners in the next calendar year or between the league and the championship. With more profile and worthwhile leagues, the championship would revert to a knockout competiton, thus giving more time and scope to the club championships in each county.

8. The Minor grade would be raised to an under 19 competition. With so many 18 year olds sitting the leaving cert, been asked to play and train for their county etc in the early part of the year, raising the age limit to 19 would take some pressure off them. The same could apply if the age limit was cut to 17. I know there still would be leaving cert students involved by raising or dropping the age limit but it would cut some pressure on the 18 year olds, (the ones who are mostly sitting the leaving).people give out about the worthiness of the u21 championship. Taking a years group of players out of that would just lead to more calls to get rid of the 21 championship. If you raised it to 19s many would be in college and could be playing for freshers, minor, u21, a junior team in their club, senior team in their college at the one time and thats not including lads who play inter county. That would just lead to burn-out for many young players

Some points are fine but others just wont work

who the fug

do not bring in a sin bin, to get sent off in rugby nowdays you need to pull out a sawn off shot gun, and shoot the linesman