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04-01-2011 1:13am#1Now that the festive season is behind us I figured I might as well put up a feedback thread for the forum. So, inhabitants of the realm of rock and metal, this is your opportunity to tell the mods (well, me) what you'd change about the forum, what you like about the forum, what you dislike about the forum.
Basically any forum-related feedback or suggestions you feel like providing, here is the place. Please keep it civil and obviously if it's something you'd prefer to keep private, PM me.
Also note that there's a separate discussion on whether to create a single gigs/events thread that's ongoing here. I would really appreciate more feedback before any decisions are made so if you have an opinion on that discussion, please post on that thread.
For anyone that's curious, the thread title came from this:
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TBH Malice_ I dont think there is much, if anything, that I would change.
There is enough discussion threads to render the forum as quite active, there are rarely problematic troll posts, and it all seems to tick over nicely.
An oft mooted change that had been mooted in the past was:
Seperate fora for Rock and Metal. - I dont think this idea holds water as the new fora would not be active enough, and would die a slow death like the punk forum.
In summary - all is fine with R&M IMO, and you got a nice, relatively trouble free forum to mod
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Well I'm very much against that idea so I would need some serious persuasion for it to happen. I've yet to be presented with a good reason for it either.Max Power1 wrote: »Seperate fora for Rock and Metal.
See the way it works is the Admins supply the Cat Mods, the Cat Mods supply the Mods and if there's anything left, the users get a share. I'm naturally greedy and I'm both a Mod and a Cat Mod so there's never going to be any left for you lotApart from free coke and hookers for regular posters i can't see much wrong with the forum, one of the better run one's i subscribe too.
Could you elaborate on this? I'm not sure what you mean.chin_grin wrote:Maybe a more proactive stance on local bands\gigs.0 -
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There are quite a few stickied threads at the moment but this thread, the 2010 gig thread will be unstuck soon. The general chat and in the pit list threads could be unstuck if screen space is a problem. I don't know if it's a problem for other users. I'm running on a 27 inch monitor so I've plenty of screen spacesilent sage wrote:I'm not a fan of seeing a front page half filled with stickied threads.
I don't know if I'll buy them but here is a hooker:silent sage wrote:Free coke & hookers for regular posters which, let's be fair, should be bought and supplied by the Mod
and some coke:
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Max Power1 wrote: »But that phrase "coke and hookers" is the most used phrase on boards!
(incidentally I hate it too)
That's racism bro.
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But that's pnly for metallica news.You mean something like this :rolleyes::rolleyes:
http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055884140
Where does all the "super DUPER" metalica discussion go? 0 -
There are quite a few stickied threads at the moment but this thread, the 2010 gig thread will be unstuck soon. The general chat and in the pit list threads could be unstuck if screen space is a problem. I don't know if it's a problem for other users. I'm running on a 27 inch monitor so I've plenty of screen space.
Yes, I was taking into account the few stickied threads that will/could be unstuck. I'm of the opinion that the less stickied threads the better, but I think the Gig thread would be a very useful addition. I'm mainly based in Cork and with that I don't have the volume or variety of R/M bands that you would find in say Dublin, so it would be nice to hear about some lesser known, even local Irish, bands playing in my area. I don't frequent the Gigs & Events forum and I generally don't buy R/M magazines or visit sites like Metal Ireland.
I figured you'd have better contacts than thatI don't know if I'll buy them but here is a hooker:
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Thanks for your feedback liah, I'll try to address your two points so hopefully you will visit this forum more often. Please don't take any implied criticism personally.
I can't stand musical elitists either. I don't think there's a constant slagging of bands on this forum. Certain bands will attract negative comments but so what? Someone saying that Matt Tuck looks like a twat isn't going to affect my opinion of Bullet For My Valentine and it shouldn't change yours.1) Ye're all so bloody judgmental! The constant slagging of bands that aren't "hard" enough or whatever the hell else is so irritating and dull. I can't stand music elitists and this place is full of them and frankly, it scares people off because they don't want to confess what they really like for fear they'll get slated.
As for confessing what they really like, this is the Rock + Metal forum so there's not a lot of point in starting a discussion on Lisa Gerrard, Tiesto, John Williams, Brian Eno or Lady Gaga because they'll just get moved to the appropriate forum. For the record I like all of the aforementioned artists and I'm not afraid to admit it
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I would love if posts that are just slagging off bands without offering any logic were reported so that, in the off-chance that I miss them, I'll be able to review them later.
Okay, looking at the front page right now, there are two threads specifically devoted to rock (here and here), seven devoted to gigs (some of which are metal-orientated, fair enough) and four devoted to metal (which in turn are related to industrial metal, thrash metal and hardcore). Sure there are a lot of metal-orientated threads but the obvious answer to me each time this comes up is to start the discussion threads yourself. Don't wait for the mountain to come to Mohammed, grab the bull by the horns etc. Whatever discussion topics you want to see, start them!liah wrote:2) TOO. MUCH. FECKING. METAL. All the discussion is about metal. The picture thread is for metallers. The chat thread is for metallers. Every thread, metal. And if it's not, it just goes back to #1. Rock is in the title, too, you know!
As for the pictures thread, I didn't know we had one. There are hottest guys and girls in metal threads. Are they what you mean? If so, I'm sure if I went through them I'd find plenty of rock musicians in both. Maybe I should change the thread titles?
As for the chat thread, it's title is a play on an AC/DC song who are a rock band. I don't see where the "for metal only" idea relates to that thread at all.
I totally agree. Like I said earlier, if you happen to come across posts that you feel are being elitist, report them and I'll review them.liah wrote:I love music and I love discussing music but the judgmental elitist attitude should be left at the door imho.0 -
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2) TOO. MUCH. FECKING. METAL. All the discussion is about metal. The picture thread is for metallers. The chat thread is for metallers. Every thread, metal. And if it's not, it just goes back to #1. Rock is in the title, too, you know!
Maybe more metal fans post?
I don't think it's an attempt by Metal fans to take over the forum.Maybe sub fora by genre? And you could have stickies up the top for band recommendations.
That would be a nightmare! I mean most people seem to be against splitting the forum into separate rock and metal due to the grey areas, let alone the arguments that would happen if someone disagreed about a band falling into the Progressive,technical, blackened,swedish electro-death metal sub-forum.0 -
Yeah, I'll make a start tidying those sticky threads up. I don't think anyone's going to object.silent sage wrote: »Yes, I was taking into account the few stickied threads that will/could be unstuck. I'm of the opinion that the less stickied threads the better,
We need to thrash out exactly what will happen with the gig thread but there will definitely be a change of some sort.silent sage wrote:but I think the Gig thread would be a very useful addition. I'm mainly based in Cork and with that I don't have the volume or variety of R/M bands that you would find in say Dublin, so it would be nice to hear about some lesser known, even local Irish, bands playing in my area. I don't frequent the Gigs & Events forum and I generally don't buy R/M magazines or visit sites like Metal Ireland.
There won't be a division between rock and metal so there definitely won't be a split between metal genres. Wikipedia lists 33 distinct genres and that's without combining them so Melodic Industrial Death Metal isn't listed for example. I'd say the admins would love a request for 33 sub forums to be listed under Rock & MetalMaybe sub fora by genre? And you could have stickies up the top for band recommendations.. 0 -
Thanks for your feedback liah, I'll try to address your two points so hopefully you will visit this forum more often. Please don't take any implied criticism personally.
I can't stand musical elitists either. I don't think there's a constant slagging of bands on this forum. Certain bands will attract negative comments but so what? Someone saying that Matt Tuck looks like a twat isn't going to affect my opinion of Bullet For My Valentine and it shouldn't change yours.
As for confessing what they really like, this is the Rock + Metal forum so there's not a lot of point in starting a discussion on Lisa Gerrard, Tiesto, John Williams, Brian Eno or Lady Gaga because they'll just get moved to the appropriate forum. For the record I like all of the aforementioned artists and I'm not afraid to admit it.
Oh I know, but it gets a bit ridiculous when someone likes, say.. I dunno what's fashionable to hate these days, but e.g. if someone came in and said they thought eh.. Creed or something were awesome, they'd be slagged out of it. Or if someone tried to call a metal band a rock band, or a rock band a metal band. I also think this whole over-genrefication thing doesn't do anyone any favours but it is what it is and I can ignore that.
I just think it's a bit daunting to people, that's all, it always was for me. I like what I like and I don't care what other people think of it and other people are entitled to their own opinions and everything, but it seems redundant for people to constantly express how their music is "good" and everything else is "bad." It adds nothing to discussions, music is subjective and not absolute yet people in this forum tend to treat it as if it is.I would love if posts that are just slagging off bands without offering any logic were reported so that, in the off-chance that I miss them, I'll be able to review them later.
I'll be sure to do this from now on. I just always feel weird reporting things like that as they're not directly breaking any charters and I don't like causing mods more hassle than they already have to deal with.Okay, looking at the front page right now, there are two threads specifically devoted to rock (here and here), seven devoted to gigs (some of which are metal-orientated, fair enough) and four devoted to metal (which in turn are related to industrial metal, thrash metal and hardcore). Sure there are a lot of metal-orientated threads but the obvious answer to me each time this comes up is to start the discussion threads yourself. Don't wait for the mountain to come to Mohammed, grab the bull by the horns etc. Whatever discussion topics you want to see, start them!
Fair enough. I'm not much of a type for starting discussions about music, more just dropping in and adding my two cents every once in awhile, but I'll try to start some that may add some new rock blood to dilute a bit of the metal.
Maybe it's more balanced than I thought, I just never seem to notice threads that aren't metal coming up on my homepage (I use the subbed forums feed rather than accessing forums directly). The way I'm going on you'd think I hate metal; I actually like a very good bit of it and its many subgenres, but I tend to notice that the fans themselves tend to be cliquey and a bit overly judgmental of what isn't metal, and that does come across here if you're not participating in the chat threads.As for the pictures thread, I didn't know we had one. There are hottest guys and girls in metal threads. Are they what you mean? If so, I'm sure if I went through them I'd find plenty of rock musicians in both. Maybe I should change the thread titles?
I could've sworn there was a Know Your Metalheads type of thread floating around here at some stage, admittedly it's been a very long time since I've seen it. Could be a figment of my imagination, but I'm almost convinced there was one. Can't find it though, so who knows.
I think changing the titles to include both would be awesome and definitely include a lot more people who, like me, don't fancy starting discussions all that often but enjoy participating.As for the chat thread, it's title is a play on an AC/DC song who are a rock band. I don't see where the "for metal only" idea relates to that thread at all.
Oh, I know the reference. But even the chat thread has an undercurrent of the metal thing running through. I know I wouldn't really feel massively welcome participating in it. The last two pages are largely videos or metal references with the occasional weird/random/normal one thrown in.
Then again, this is probably just my own problem as I don't identify with the idea of subcultures in general and often find them very much a turn-off as they're so exclusive, so take the above with a grain of salt.I totally agree. Like I said earlier, if you happen to come across posts that you feel are being elitist, report them and I'll review them.
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what about a new forum per metal genre....
starting with Nintendocore..
Yes, this place is crying out for a secluded forum where we can peacefully discuss such groundbreaking artists such as HORSE the Band :pac:.
I don't think there's a need to say the following, but -> j/k0 -
Hmm, I had a reply to this written out last night but somehow it doesn't seem to have gotten posted. Oh well, I'll just have to try again.
If someone posted something likeOh I know, but it gets a bit ridiculous when someone likes, say.. I dunno what's fashionable to hate these days, but e.g. if someone came in and said they thought eh.. Creed or something were awesome, they'd be slagged out of it. Or if someone tried to call a metal band a rock band, or a rock band a metal band. I also think this whole over-genrefication thing doesn't do anyone any favours but it is what it is and I can ignore that.OMG Creed r lik the bestest band evar!!!!!111one
then they would rightfully be slagged off.
If, on the other hand, someone posted that Scott Stapp's lyrics really speak to them or that they love Mark Tremonti's guitar playing then anyone replying to the post slagging the poster would be very quickly told to cop themselves on. Remember that there's a difference between attacking the post and attacking the poster. Saying "Creed are crap" is one thing but saying "You're an idiot if you like Creed" is personal abuse and would be dealt with accordingly.
Is that specific to this forum or Boards in general though? You've got over four thousand posts in just under two and a half years of being registered so you're far from a newbieliah wrote:I just think it's a bit daunting to people, that's all, it always was for me..
It's outside the scope of this thread but Boards is daunting for new posters.
Well if you don't care what other people think about music that probably explains why you're not actively posting in this forumliah wrote:I like what I like and I don't care what other people think of it and other people are entitled to their own opinions and everything, but it seems redundant for people to constantly express how their music is "good" and everything else is "bad." It adds nothing to discussions, music is subjective and not absolute yet people in this forum tend to treat it as if it is.. Again though, I haven't encountered any examples of people saying their music is good and everything else is bad. I'm not saying they don't exist but usually the opinion is expressed a bit more eloquently than simply saying something is "bad".
You shouldn't feel wierd reporting a post at all. It is actually something that has been discussed in the moderator forum because the wording on the reported post page makes it seem a lot more official than it really is. The forums that I moderate are much quieter than the likes of After Hours or Personal Issues so there are not a lot of reported posts. There's roughly about 15 per week so it's no hassle to check things out and any moderator who complains about reported posts being a hassle either needs to reconsider why exactly they are a moderator or they need to get another pair of hands to help out. Lastly, a post doesn't have to be directly breaking any rules for it need to be brought to a moderator's attention.liah wrote:I'll be sure to do this from now on. I just always feel weird reporting things like that as they're not directly breaking any charters and I don't like causing mods more hassle than they already have to deal with.
That sounds good!liah wrote:Fair enough. I'm not much of a type for starting discussions about music, more just dropping in and adding my two cents every once in awhile, but I'll try to start some that may add some new rock blood to dilute a bit of the metal.
What's the subbed forums feed? Is it an RSS feed?liah wrote:Maybe it's more balanced than I thought, I just never seem to notice threads that aren't metal coming up on my homepage (I use the subbed forums feed rather than accessing forums directly).
That sounds to me like you're bringing real life experience into a discussion forum. I have to say I've never noticed any cliques on this forum (unless they are avoiding me deliberatelyliah wrote:The way I'm going on you'd think I hate metal; I actually like a very good bit of it and its many subgenres, but I tend to notice that the fans themselves tend to be cliquey and a bit overly judgmental of what isn't metal, and that does come across here if you're not participating in the chat threads.). I agree that some metal fans in real life can be very dismissive of bands they don't like but you get dickheads in all walks of life.
Whoops, my apologies, you're absolutely right. Here it is. It hasn't been updated since Dec 2009 though. I'll add that to the list of threads to be re-titled to be less rockist.liah wrote:I could've sworn there was a Know Your Metalheads type of thread floating around here at some stage, admittedly it's been a very long time since I've seen it. Could be a figment of my imagination, but I'm almost convinced there was one. Can't find it though, so who knows.
The last two pages stretch back to April 2010 so there isn't a lot of chat going on in the thread. As Zombienosh pointed out, if more metal fans participate in the forum then it's naturally going to be biased towards metal. Personally I wouldn't see an undercurrent of metal being something insidious but the easy solution if you see it that way is, as I've said before, to post more rock-orientated stuff.liah wrote:Oh, I know the reference. But even the chat thread has an undercurrent of the metal thing running through. I know I wouldn't really feel massively welcome participating in it. The last two pages are largely videos or metal references with the occasional weird/random/normal one thrown in.0 -
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I think you're talking about the My Threads and My Forums link from the main Boards.ie page. I'm not sure that's the same thing as what liah mentioned. I am of course open to correctionScienceNerd wrote: »When you follow a forum, you chose for your homepage to only show threads for the forums you follow.. 0 -
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I really must get around to posting on that thread.slavetothegrind wrote: »Love the rate what the last person listens to thread for the introduction possibilities it offers
This actually made me laugh out loudslavetothegrind wrote:I enjoy it and thanks to all involved and that includes you malice you clannad loving pop obsessed excuse for a metal head!!!!:D. I don't love Clannad, in fact every time I hear their name mentioned, I think of this guy:
As for being obsessed with pop, I dunno about that either. I do try to broaden my listening horizons but I'm a metal fan at heart.0 -
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Just a thought I know everyone is into all different types of metal or rock for that matter, Personally im a huge fan of the black/death scandinavian scene, I noticed that the following for scandinavian Metal wouldnt be as popular as alot of "main stream" or well known bands. like metallica, slayer, deicide, avenge, etc etc So I think a Sticky to discuss scandinavian metal would be a an idea!
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So a classic jazz fusion rock sub forum is out of the question
The board is clearly biased towards pesky modern metal but then it would be a surprise if it were other. Those who want to fly the flag for more venerable styles and bands have to get posting.0 -
GrizzlyMan wrote: »Just a thought I know everyone is into all different types of metal or rock for that matter, Personally im a huge fan of the black/death scandinavian scene, I noticed that the following for scandinavian Metal wouldnt be as popular as alot of "main stream" or well known bands. like metallica, slayer, deicide, avenge, etc etc So I think a Sticky to discuss scandinavian metal would be a an idea!
My head we can have two stickied threads
First. Rules and useful links
Second. Irish bands
All other threads need to survive naturally
That's what I think
PS. Popular threads like Gigs, Venues etc may be linked in 2nd (Moderators) post of "Rules & Links" so you always can find'em easy0 -
So a classic jazz fusion rock sub forum is out of the question
The board is clearly biased towards pesky modern metal but then it would be a surprise if it were other. Those who want to fly the flag for more venerable styles and bands have to get posting.
i'd say a lot of what i play on guitar is jazz fusion rock, a lot of it strays across many scales and is reportedly hard to listen to:p
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When you say Scandinavia are you specifically referring to Norway, Sweden and Denmark? I think Scandinavian metal is very popular on here so there would be nothing stopping you from creating a discussion thread on that subject and seeing what happens.GrizzlyMan wrote: »Just a thought I know everyone is into all different types of metal or rock for that matter, Personally im a huge fan of the black/death scandinavian scene, I noticed that the following for scandinavian Metal wouldnt be as popular as alot of "main stream" or well known bands. like metallica, slayer, deicide, avenge, etc etc So I think a Sticky to discuss scandinavian metal would be a an idea!
For now anyway. Who knows what the future will bringSo a classic jazz fusion rock sub forum is out of the question.
That's a good point but I've already had to show the venues thread to two people who weren't particularly computer literate and I'd say burying it in a thread would just confuse them and others like them so I'm going to leave it stuck on the front page for now.My head we can have two stickied threads
First. Rules and useful links
Second. Irish bands
All other threads need to survive naturally
That's what I think
PS. Popular threads like Gigs, Venues etc may be linked in 2nd (Moderators) post of "Rules & Links" so you always can find'em easy0 -
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