Diets, back to training

M three

Already starting to regret the amount of crap I've eaten over Christmas as we're back training in 2 weeks.

Does anyone have any good diet info, links to same thats geared specifically around
1. Weights / conditioning
2. pre season
3. league / championship times.

Also any advice re supplements, good ones etc?

Lot of good info on here
http://www.ausport.gov.au/ais/nutrition/recipes/survival_I

Regards,
M three

nice_guy80

move to fitness forum?

Clareman

nice_guy80 wrote: »

move to fitness forum?

I'm sure there's plenty of threads in the fitness forum on this topic, can't see the harm in leaving 1 in here as well specific for GAA players

sportinglegend

Your diet ideally should to be linked to your goals and the training you are doing.

I find the best thing to do is plan out your training and phases of training and have it so it meets the goals you have set for the cycle or season.
Once you have in place a proper training program that will help you reach your goals you then plan your nutrition plan really we are fueling the body to carry out this training.

The Link to the AIS is indeed a great source of information.

You could also have a look at the Ulster GAA site some very good information there by some top nutritionists http://ulster.gaa.ie/coaching/articles/development/

http://www.lucozade.com/sport/sport-science/sports-nutrition/Default.aspx

The above is a link to the lucozade site some good information can be got form that site.

If you Google Noreen Roche Sports Nutrition you can find a very good document outlining sample meal plans etc. She is currently nutrition advisor to the Kilkenny Hurlers.

woodchopper

sportinglegend wrote: »

Your diet ideally should to be linked to your goals and the training you are doing.


If you Google Noreen Roche Sports Nutrition you can find a very good document outlining sample meal plans etc. She is currently nutrition advisor to the Kilkenny Hurlers.

The boys were carrying a few too many pounds last September, Tipperary players were leaner and meaner

M three

woodchopper wrote: »

The boys were carrying a few too many pounds last September, Tipperary players were leaner and meaner

Yeah the tipp boys were hungrier alright!

hardybuck

The GAA website is also pretty good for info specific to GAA players.

Orizio

I have managed to gain weight since I joined the local gym. Should I stop eating Dinner boxes from the Roma Grill perhaps...?

nice_guy80

Orizio wrote: »

I have managed to gain weight since I joined the local gym. Should I stop eating Dinner boxes from the Roma Grill perhaps...?

Mullingar?

keane2097

Clareman wrote: »

I'm sure there's plenty of threads in the fitness forum on this topic, can't see the harm in leaving 1 in here as well specific for GAA players

What do you mean "specific to GAA players"?

Clareman

Different sports/activities need different fitness/training requirements, I don't see any problem leaving a thread here for training/diets for GAA specific requirements. I was replying to the post questioning moving the thread to the Fitness forum

keane2097

Can anybody make a fist at actually defining "specific GAA needs"?

It would be pretty trivial to find appropriate diet/training advice once the requirements are actually defined.

Otherwise I'd expect the thread to be fairly unhelpful beyond providing random links which may or may not be appropriate.

Orizio

keane2097 wrote: »

Can anybody make a fist at actually defining "specific GAA needs"?

Being able to run quickly over numerous extended periods.

(hope that helps )

keane2097

Orizio wrote: »

Being able to run quickly over numerous extended periods.

(hope that helps )

How is that specific to GAA?

rebel girl 15

Thread like this makes for interesting reading tbh about the routes that different players and clubs take in preseason and the different links that people put up, so I don't think anyone should diss the thread straight off!

GAA fitness needs: flexibility, muscular strength, speed, agility, aerobic endurance - not specific to the one sport

Didn't know that they redid the Ulster website, those links for performance analysis will be useful if I can get a selector to do them for me!

eroo

keane2097 wrote: »

Can anybody make a fist at actually defining "specific GAA needs"?

Hurling and Gaelic foootball are multi sprint sports with multiple changes of direction as well as being an impact sport.

Long distance running is irrelevant unless general fitness and/or body composition are in a bad state.

Strength training 2-3 times a week alongside 1-2 sprint sessions is a good working base. Remember to stretch after each session and to warm up before hand. Every 4th training week take a rest to allow for recovery, this is an unloading week i.e. in that week you might have 1 strength and 1 sprint session

Diet is very important. Alcohol and fast food will only set you back so try and drop them.

keane2097

Basically:

Strength - lift heavy weights in compound movements, i.e. squat, deadlift, benchpress, overhead press etc. Essentially, do Starting Strength or similar.

Conditioning/General fitness - do metcons. Basically, pick a few from pushups, pressups, box jumps, squats, lunges, burpees, sit ups etc., and do rounds of them (e.g. ten press ups, followed by ten squats, burpees, box jumps, V-ups & repeat X 5-10).

Increased sprinting endurance - HIIT

Like I said, this stuff is far from specific to GAA - there's an absolute plethora of info on all this stuff on the fitness forum. People coming here looking for this advice would be much better served checking that place out as there are genuine experts there.

Edit to agree with eroo - diet is vital.

woodchopper

eroo wrote: »

Hurling and Gaelic foootball are multi sprint sports with multiple changes of direction as well as being an impact sport.

Long distance running is irrelevant unless general fitness and/or body composition are in a bad state.

Strength training 2-3 times a week alongside 1-2 sprint sessions is a good working base. Remember to stretch after each session and to warm up before hand. Every 4th training week take a rest to allow for recovery, this is an unloading week i.e. in that week you might have 1 strength and 1 sprint session

Diet is very important. Alcohol and fast food will only set you back so try and drop them.

<snip> Long distance running is irrelevant????. This would explain why the GAA composes of the unfittest field sportsmens on the planet. Go over to Austrialia watch how the boys in the Aussie rules train. They have a strong aerobic base which allows them to develop anaerobic fitness and peak longer which is needed in their game.
By adopting this anti aerobic fitness approach to training it is little surprise the GAA worry about player burnout even though they only train four times a week ( two of these sessions involve watching real athletes train in a gym who are improving their strenght endurance, while the Gaa boys follow each other around like lame ducks, not a six pack to be seen due to their unshaped, unchiselized physique). Real athletes train well over 10 tens a week and do not suffer burnout. Why? Because they have a high level of aerobic fitness. By coming out and stating that aerobic fitness is irrelevant the post neglects a key component of sporting performance notably aerobic fitness.

Also what is with this unloading week? In the real sporting world we periodize out training so as to avoid overtraining which in real sports is a possibility. We dont just say oh well because of the calender we must take an easy weeK. Real coaches advise athletes to listen to their body.

Strenght endurance is much more important than weights in the GAA. Press ups and lots of them , tricep dips, pull ups are adequate exercies to develop a strong upperbody through the use of circuits not just lifting dumbells for the sake of it.

Isint funny that the most successful manager ever to train a GAA team HAS HIS Players RUNNING LAPS AND up Hills. Doing twenty metre sprints is what five year olds do not adult men. Get out on the hills and run up and down them and you will get fit, strong, fast and then do the game simulation exercises. By developing your aerobic system you are also getting down to fighting weight. Have you ever seen an endurance athletes and by that I mean a real one not a hobby jogger who runs a three hour marathon with a belly. Answer equals no.

keane2097

Again I would stress to anyone looking for decent advice to go to the fitness forum - much of the above is deluded.

nice_guy80

woodchopper wrote: »

<snip> Long distance running is irrelevant????. This would explain why the GAA composes of the unfittest field sportsmens on the planet. Go over to Austrialia watch how the boys in the Aussie rules train. They have a strong aerobic base which allows them to develop anaerobic fitness and peak longer which is needed in their game.
By adopting this anti aerobic fitness approach to training it is little surprise the GAA worry about player burnout even though they only train four times a week ( two of these sessions involve watching real athletes train in a gym who are improving their strenght endurance, while the Gaa boys follow each other around like lame ducks, not a six pack to be seen due to their unshaped, unchiselized physique). Real athletes train well over 10 tens a week and do not suffer burnout. Why? Because they have a high level of aerobic fitness. By coming out and stating that aerobic fitness is irrelevant the post neglects a key component of sporting performance notably aerobic fitness.

Also what is with this unloading week? In the real sporting world we periodize out training so as to avoid overtraining which in real sports is a possibility. We dont just say oh well because of the calender we must take an easy weeK. Real coaches advise athletes to listen to their body.

Strenght endurance is much more important than weights in the GAA. Press ups and lots of them , tricep dips, pull ups are adequate exercies to develop a strong upperbody through the use of circuits not just lifting dumbells for the sake of it.

Isint funny that the most successful manager ever to train a GAA team HAS HIS Players RUNNING LAPS AND up Hills. Doing twenty metre sprints is what five year olds do not adult men. Get out on the hills and run up and down them and you will get fit, strong, fast and then do the game simulation exercises. By developing your aerobic system you are also getting down to fighting weight. Have you ever seen an endurance athletes and by that I mean a real one not a hobby jogger who runs a three hour marathon with a belly. Answer equals no.

running up hills doesn't help you kick the ball over the bar!
how have that manager's teams done in the past 15 years? Not very well- because training methods have moved on and he is still stuck in the 1970s and 80s.
remember, GAA players are amateurs and have jobs to go to so they cannot dedicate themselves to training like Aussie Rules players can

adrian522

<snip>

woodchopper wrote: »

Long distance running is irrelevant????. This would explain why the GAA composes of the unfittest field sportsmens on the planet.

That doesn't really make sense, the unfittest field? Inter county players are super fit, you'd know that if you ever played the game.

woodchopper wrote: »

By adopting this anti aerobic fitness approach

Complete BS, GAA players do loads of aerobic work, they just do less laps of the pitch type of work.As I said above they are super fit, sprints are more relevant for what they need than long distance work.

woodchopper wrote: »

even though they only train four times a week ( two of these sessions involve watching real athletes train in a gym who are improving their strenght endurance, while the Gaa boys follow each other around like lame ducks, not a six pack to be seen due to their unshaped, unchiselized physique). Real athletes train well over 10 tens a week and do not suffer burnout. Why? Because they have a high level of aerobic fitness. By coming out and stating that aerobic fitness is irrelevant the post neglects a key component of sporting performance notably aerobic fitness.

Don't really know where to start with this. Do these real Athletes do anything but train, they certainly don't also work 40-50 hours per week I'd imagine.

Aerobic fitness won't give you a six pack by the way, and just how many GAA players bodies have you analysed to come up with this idea?I'd have a wild guess at zero.

woodchopper wrote: »

Also what is with this unloading week? In the real sporting world we periodize out training so as to avoid overtraining which in real sports is a possibility.

As opposed to the fake sporting world of the GAA? Recovery time should be standard with any training regime.

woodchopper wrote: »

We dont just say oh well because of the calender we must take an easy weeK. Real coaches advise athletes to listen to their body.

It's not an easy week or a week off its a recovery week.

woodchopper wrote: »

Strenght endurance is much more important than weights in the GAA. Press ups and lots of them , tricep dips, pull ups are adequate exercies to develop a strong upperbody through the use of circuits not just lifting dumbells for the sake of it.

Isint funny that the most successful manager ever to train a GAA team HAS HIS Players RUNNING LAPS AND up Hills. Doing twenty metre sprints is what five year olds do not adult men. Get out on the hills and run up and down them and you will get fit, strong, fast and then do the game simulation exercises. By developing your aerobic system you are also getting down to fighting weight. Have you ever seen an endurance athletes and by that I mean a real one not a hobby jogger who runs a three hour marathon with a belly. Answer equals no.

Don't know who you are talking about here but you don't see most Inter county teams doing endless laps.

Clareman

I wasn't following this thread too closely I have to admit so I didn't notice the flaming that was going on, I don't like giving infractions/bans to folks, but I also don't like flame wars or people being aggressive towards each other.

Please keep this debate civil, there is no reason why we can't debate the benefits of various training techniques without questioning other people's knowledge. Any more name calling or flaming will lead to bans

woodchopper

adrian522 wrote: »

<snip>


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Do these real Athletes do anything but train, they certainly don't also work 40-50 hours per week I'd imagine.

Completely wrong on this one here young man. There are about 2 full time distance runners in Ireland the rest work 50 hours a week and still run over 100 miles a week. That is real dedication to training. Getting up to run before work, work all day, then go home and train again , then eat their dinner, go to bed and the cycle repeats itself. There is no hanging around changing rooms looking in the mirror. Anyway there is a conception out there that distance runners are slow. All the gus I train can run 48-49 seconds for 400m, there has never been a GAA player who could do that, despite 'there great speed'.

woodchopper

nice_guy80 wrote: »

running up hills doesn't help you kick the ball over the bar!
how have that manager's teams done in the past 15 years? Not very well- because training methods have moved on and he is still stuck in the 1970s and 80s.
remember, GAA players are amateurs and have jobs to go to so they cannot dedicate themselves to training like Aussie Rules players can

Whats Paul Galvin doing these days?

eroo

Woodchopper, you do realise sports science goes against everything you have just said?

woodchopper

eroo wrote: »

Woodchopper, you do realise sports science goes against everything you have just said?

Explain?

flahavaj

keane2097 wrote: »

Increased sprinting endurance - HIIT

This works unbelieveably well for weight loss and gaining fitness.

rebel girl 15

woodchopper wrote: »

Do these real Athletes do anything but train, they certainly don't also work 40-50 hours per week I'd imagine.

Completely wrong on this one here young man. There are about 2 full time distance runners in Ireland the rest work 50 hours a week and still run over 100 miles a week. That is real dedication to training. Getting up to run before work, work all day, then go home and train again , then eat their dinner, go to bed and the cycle repeats itself. There is no hanging around changing rooms looking in the mirror. Anyway there is a conception out there that distance runners are slow. All the gus I train can run 48-49 seconds for 400m, there has never been a GAA player who could do that, despite 'there great speed'.

Eh why would a GAA player do 400m?? 400m isn't pure speed for GAA players, they need speed over 10-20 metres going for a ball or getting away from a marker

The science of training is different for each sport - long distance runners specify one thing - running, whereas GAA you have fitness and skills to work on. I agree with eroo, some of the stuff you are talking about is back in the 80s! You don't see intercounty teams doing endless laps anymore, club teams would hardly be doing that! Yes aerobic endurance is important, but when you analyse a game, you'd see that the maximum distance that they'd cover at any one time without recovery would be length of the pitch

No point being able to run 400m in 48 seconds when you are a crap ball player! TBH I get the feeling you have some chip on your shoulder about GAA players . They are quite fit, look at the Dublin footballers, 6.30am training sessions, and I'm sure they aren't the only ones!!

As regards the burnout issue, it affects younger players who don't get a break, playing and training with club/county nearly every night of the week if not every night, then training with the college during the "closed" season - athletes get an off season, those guys could be doing that for three or four years running, obvious to see why they would be burned out! Inter county players are real athletes, you obviously haven't been at many intercounty games if thats your attitude!

Ian_K

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

You don't see intercounty teams doing endless laps anymore

Tell that to Mick O'Dwyer!

woodchopper

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

Eh why would a GAA player do 400m?? 400m isn't pure speed for GAA players, they need speed over 10-20 metres going for a ball or getting away from a marker

The science of training is different for each sport - long distance runners specify one thing - running, whereas GAA you have fitness and skills to work on. I agree with eroo, some of the stuff you are talking about is back in the 80s! You don't see intercounty teams doing endless laps anymore, club teams would hardly be doing that! Yes aerobic endurance is important, but when you analyse a game, you'd see that the maximum distance that they'd cover at any one time without recovery would be length of the pitch

No point being able to run 400m in 48 seconds when you are a crap ball player! TBH I get the feeling you have some chip on your shoulder about GAA players . They are quite fit, look at the Dublin footballers, 6.30am training sessions, and I'm sure they aren't the only ones!!

As regards the burnout issue, it affects younger players who don't get a break, playing and training with club/county nearly every night of the week if not every night, then training with the college during the "closed" season - athletes get an off season, those guys could be doing that for three or four years running, obvious to see why they would be burned out! Inter county players are real athletes, you obviously haven't been at many intercounty games if thats your attitude!

This is going off topic again, But I fell I have to defend my positon when random posters are picking bits out of my posts and then disregarding the main issues of the post so as to make their posts look better. For example I mention athletes training twice a day whilst working 50 hours a week yet this is of course not brought up. Rather the example of these men having great speed is argued irrelevant in the GAA due to the nature of the sport. If I did not mention their great 400m some poster would no doubt have claimed that these athletes are so slooooooooww compared to GAA players.

Secondly who mentioned anything about running laps. I specifically mentioned aerobic endurance which can be developed running through forests over hills during the early months. When I mention this some 'smart' poster comes out and says this will not help you kick the ball over the bar. If anyone who posted against me bothered to read my FULL post then they would have seen me mentioned aerobic training along with game simulation drills which includes kicking the ball over the bar. Of course some one would then reply that GAA players do not have the time to do this because they are working 50 hours a week. That is were the example of endurance athletes who work 50 hours a week and still run 10-12 times a week plus 2-3 gyms sessions a week comes in. GAA players who are pampered with cars etc should train the same amount of times in a week. Someone mentions the Dublin team train at half six, thats fime , but did all the players go home and train again after they had finished work.

I am not stating that GAA players should run 100 miles a week because they werent born with those genetic gifts that require that level of training week in and week out, also their weight would only lead to injuries, most endurance athletes weigh 65kg if they stand at 5:10, 70kg if they stand at 6:3( rough estimates according to desired BMI FOR HEIGHT: WEIGHT RATIO. GAA players should work on all aspects of sporting performance, using the excuse that aerobic fitness has gone past its sell by date does not stand up because every other sport in the world deems this an important part of an organised training programme

GAA players should work on aerobic fitness in the period of January to April, then transition to more game specific exercise ie 30 by 40-50m sprints with a minute jog, along with ball work which should be done all year round.

Sample programme Week day mornings should endail aerobic conditioning by players on their own for the early months. They then go to work, finish work and go to the GAA pitch and shoot,game drills etc, strenght exercises should be included in the evenings as well. This can all be done on their own, and then they can meet up on Tuesdays, Thrusdays for example with their managers and perform game simulation exercises during practice.

A previous poster claimed that athletes have a long off season. Where did you get this from? About one week following the track season, or a marathon that is it, some GAA players have an off season off 2-4 months.

Of course this periodization of training moving from aerobic to anaerobic training goes against all of sports science?. A bit cheeky if that poster knew my background on the subject.

Any more bashing is appreciated and I can prove the errors of your ways.

Regards
Woodchopper

eroo

woodchopper wrote: »

GAA players should work on aerobic fitness in the period of January to April, then transition to more game specific exercise ie 30 by 40-50m sprints with a minute jog, along with ball work which should be done all year round.

Sample programme Week day mornings should endail aerobic conditioning by players on their own for the early months. They then go to work, finish work and go to the GAA pitch and shoot,game drills etc, strenght exercises should be included in the evenings as well. This can all be done on their own, and then they can meet up on Tuesdays, Thrusdays for example with their managers and perform game simulation exercises during practice.

A previous poster claimed that athletes have a long off season. Where did you get this from? About one week following the track season, or a marathon that is it, some GAA players have an off season off 2-4 months.

Of course this periodization of training moving from aerobic to anaerobic training goes against all of sports science?. A bit cheeky if that poster knew my background on the subject.
Regards
Woodchopper

Your background must be very outdated. Any team who spends 4 months on aerobic endurance is wasting their time. GAA players require anaerobic endurance as it is the main energy system used, alongside ATP-CP. Aerobic endurance work should be minimal.

If you have players doing aerobic endurance for 4 months you only develop your slow twitch fibers, and neglect your fast twitch fibers which play a much more important role in field sports. Fast twitch fibers when developed will lead to greater increases in speed and power.

Multi sprint endurance should be developed from day 1 i.e. intervals of 20-30m These distances replicate the distances covered in matches, 15-10m may even be more appropriate.

You would do strength training in the evenings after you have done endurance training in the morning? This will hamper any strength gains as a players legs will already be fatigued.

Finally, Inter County teams have a very short off season, maybe 2 months. During this time many players will undertake rehab training or hypertrophy training. So, they are not doing nothing.

I don't mean to have a go at you, but coming in here saying this is how GAA players should train is wrong. Your training advice is outdated. Running up hills, through forests etc has little benefit to GAA players, as often their running form suffers because they are told to run up steep gradients. This does not transfer into performance on the field.

woodchopper

eroo wrote: »

Your background must be very outdated. Any team who spends 4 months on aerobic endurance is wasting their time. GAA players require anaerobic endurance as it is the main energy system used, alongside ATP-CP. Aerobic endurance work should be minimal.

If you have players doing aerobic endurance for 4 months you only develop your slow twitch fibers, and neglect your fast twitch fibers which play a much more important role in field sports. Fast twitch fibers when developed will lead to greater increases in speed and power.

Multi sprint endurance should be developed from day 1 i.e. intervals of 20-30m These distances replicate the distances covered in matches, 15-10m may even be more appropriate.

You would do strength training in the evenings after you have done endurance training in the morning? This will hamper any strength gains as a players legs will already be fatigued.

Finally, Inter County teams have a very short off season, maybe 2 months. During this time many players will undertake rehab training or hypertrophy training. So, they are not doing nothing.

I don't mean to have a go at you, but coming in here saying this is how GAA players should train is wrong. Your training advice is outdated. Running up hills, through forests etc has little benefit to GAA players, as often their running form suffers because they are told to run up steep gradients. This does not transfer into performance on the field.

Since when is two months a 'short off season'. Well to put it mildly if you believe 10 metre sprints is all you need to do then fine, tell that to your team when my team overuns yours in the last ten minutes. One cannot simply do 10 metre sprints all year round and then hope to last seventy minutes with zero aerobic fitness. You are completely wrong with hills affecting your running form, hills increase running efficiency.

Why wont anyone answer the question as to why( regardless of training methods ) GAA players dont train over 12 times a week. There are no excuses because all other good athletes work 50 hours a week and train this much. Any IDEA? ls it laziness etc

JimmyR

woodchopper wrote: »

Since when is two months a 'short off season'. Well to put it mildly if you believe 10 metre sprints is all you need to do then fine, tell that to your team when my team overuns yours in the last ten minutes. One cannot simply do 10 metre sprints all year round and then hope to last seventy minutes with zero aerobic fitness. You are completely wrong with hills affecting your running form, hills increase running efficiency.

Why wont anyone answer the question as to why( regardless of training methods ) GAA players dont train over 12 times a week. There are no excuses because all other good athletes work 50 hours a week and train this much. Any IDEA? ls it laziness etc

Because they don't need to. There are no benefits to any one in field sports training that often. Professional Rugby and soccer players would rarely train twice a day and in the case of soccer players if they were to train twice on any given day in season the second session would in fact be a tactical session.

You seem to be taking your experiences in endurance sports and trying to transfer them to other sports in the believe that this will work. In the same way a bodybuilder will try to convince you that a bodybuilding split is what players should be doing or a weightlifter may try to convince you that olympic lifting is the answer to all your speed problems.

An aerobic base is needed to last 60 minutes in club football, 70 in intercounty, but as any long distance runner that has played football will tell you, if you don't have the speed over short distances than your going to be able to run alright but you won't have the ball.

This does not mean that you'll just be training at distance of 5 to 20 metres but these are the distance that speed will be important.

woodchopper

JimmyR wrote: »

Because they don't need to. There are no benefits to any one in field sports training that often. Professional Rugby and soccer players would rarely train twice a day and in the case of soccer players if they were to train twice on any given day in season the second session would in fact be a tactical session.

You seem to be taking your experiences in endurance sports and trying to transfer them to other sports in the believe that this will work. In the same way a bodybuilder will try to convince you that a bodybuilding split is what players should be doing or a weightlifter may try to convince you that olympic lifting is the answer to all your speed problems.

An aerobic base is needed to last 60 minutes in club football, 70 in intercounty, but as any long distance runner that has played football will tell you, if you don't have the speed over short distances than your going to be able to run alright but you won't have the ball.

This does not mean that you'll just be training at distance of 5 to 20 metres but these are the distance that speed will be important.

Aussie Rules players train twice a day. One cardio workout, and another skills workout, why dont GAA players do the same , with the skill workout completed after work, the cardio before work

JimmyR

woodchopper wrote: »

Aussie Rules players train twice a day. One cardio workout, and another skills workout, why dont GAA players do the same , with the skill workout completed after work, the cardio before work

I haven't known of Aussie rules players to train 12 times a week but I'd certainly be interested in anything you could show me that proves that they do or that they pertake in regular twice a day sessions.

I do know that alot of Aussie Rules teams would train twice a day some days in pre season. I have not known of them doing that in season. I could be proved wrong I'm sure as not everyone would train in the same way but I'd imagine the maority would.

Aussie Rules players are also professional sports men.

eroo

woodchopper wrote: »

Since when is two months a 'short off season'. Well to put it mildly if you believe 10 metre sprints is all you need to do then fine, tell that to your team when my team overuns yours in the last ten minutes. One cannot simply do 10 metre sprints all year round and then hope to last seventy minutes with zero aerobic fitness. You are completely wrong with hills affecting your running form, hills increase running efficiency.

Why wont anyone answer the question as to why( regardless of training methods ) GAA players dont train over 12 times a week. There are no excuses because all other good athletes work 50 hours a week and train this much. Any IDEA? ls it laziness etc

The sprints would vary in distance, to replicate match situations. Mix it up from 10-30m. Sprints with an active recovery between exertions will develop aerobic fitness.

I don't care about your team tbh, I wouldn't be worried about them!;)

How does hill running increase running efficiency? It doesn't, because most players end up crawling up the hill after first few reps, and the sessions are usually conducted wrong i.e. rest periods too short not allowing for enough recovery. This does not improve efficiency.

You want to be taken seriously, and you are asking why players are not training X amount of times a week? Ever here of less is more? I know of too many 'trainers' who follow your methods.. overtraining usually kicks in, and players become thin long distance runners who lack speed and can't survive tackles.

nice_guy80

I think when Tyrone won their last All Ireland they were only training together 3 times a week MAX

and most of their training was mini games / conditioned games which replicated game situations but done at a high tempo

The players were doing their own weights and rehab programs etc all through the season

woodchopper

eroo wrote: »

The sprints would vary in distance, to replicate match situations. Mix it up from 10-30m. Sprints with an active recovery between exertions will develop aerobic fitness.

I don't care about your team tbh, I wouldn't be worried about them!;)

How does hill running increase running efficiency? It doesn't, because most players end up crawling up the hill after first few reps, and the sessions are usually conducted wrong i.e. rest periods too short not allowing for enough recovery. This does not improve efficiency.

You want to be taken seriously, and you are asking why players are not training X amount of times a week? Ever here of less is more? I know of too many 'trainers' who follow your methods.. overtraining usually kicks in, and players become thin long distance runners who lack speed and can't survive tackles.

Since when is running 100 metres in 11 seconds slow which all good distance athletes do. They would also beat GAA players in a 60 metre sprint. Maybe all the GAA players in Ireland are faster than Tyson Gay.
Read up on Renato Cavona regarding how hills can develop explosive speed or any good American speed coach who works in the NFL.

AGAIN PEOPLE ARE POSTING ABOUT OVERTRAINING. 2 hours of shooting practice every night is not phyically taxing, therefore over training is not an issue.

Any more selective posting is most welcome.

Regards
Woodchopper

eroo

woodchopper wrote: »

Since when is running 100 metres in 11 seconds slow which all good distance athletes do. They would also beat GAA players in a 60 metre sprint. Maybe all the GAA players in Ireland are faster than Tyson Gay.
Read up on Renato Cavona regarding how hills can develop explosive speed or any good American speed coach who works in the NFL.

AGAIN PEOPLE ARE POSTING ABOUT OVERTRAINING. 2 hours of shooting practice every night is not phyically taxing, therefore over training is not an issue.

Any more selective posting is most welcome.

Regards
Woodchopper

100m in 11 seconds relates to athletics mainly. Most GAA players don't need to reach that level. It's nice, but not necessary as a GAA player will rarely, most likely never, sprint 100m straight in a match.

It doesn't matter if runners can outrun a GAA player over 60-100m. That's their sport. GAA players rarely sprint for more than 20m at a time, and their sprints involves change of direction, continuous deceleration, acceleration etc. Ever hear of transfer of training?

Tyson Gay is good at what he does. He cannot play Gaelic football so there is no reason to reference him. He probably wouldn't have the same agility as an inter county player as he wouldn't have trained for change of direction, side stepping etc.

No one is saying 2 hours of skills will lead to overtraining. I'm saying your notion that GAA players should train twice a day, 12 hours a week will lead to overtraining in amatuer sportsmen/women.

I don't know of any NFL coaches who use hill sprints to develop explosive speed.

Tbh, you're the one who is being selective with posts. You are talking about training field sport players like they are an athletics squad! What would you prescribe for strength training?

woodchopper

eroo wrote: »

100m in 11 seconds relates to athletics mainly. Most GAA players don't need to reach that level. It's nice, but not necessary as a GAA player will rarely, most likely never, sprint 100m straight in a match.

It doesn't matter if runners can outrun a GAA player over 60-100m. That's their sport. GAA players rarely sprint for more than 20m at a time, and their sprints involves change of direction, continuous deceleration, acceleration etc. Ever hear of transfer of training?

Tyson Gay is good at what he does. He cannot play Gaelic football so there is no reason to reference him. He probably wouldn't have the same agility as an inter county player as he wouldn't have trained for change of direction, side stepping etc.

No one is saying 2 hours of skills will lead to overtraining. I'm saying your notion that GAA players should train twice a day, 12 hours a week will lead to overtraining in amatuer sportsmen/women.

I don't know of any NFL coaches who use hill sprints to develop explosive speed.

Tbh, you're the one who is being selective with posts. You are talking about training field sport players like they are an athletics squad! What would you prescribe for strength training?

I only mentioed 11 second 100 metre runs as a previous post indicated all the aerobic training would lead to recruiting only slow twitch fibres, which has been proven not the case. With regards to dtrenght training one cannot implement the same programme for all playerss due to previous experiences with strenght training.
What would I do in principle
Press ups, Tricip dips, pull ups, squats, lunges with bar, also kettleball and medicine ball exercises. With regards to explsive strenght plyometics and isometrics would be implemented.

Why does 12 training sessions a week lead to overtraining in GAA players but not in athletes since both work 50 hours a week.?

I doubt I will get an answer but I thought I might as well ask. Are ye not up yet on the GAA forum?

Regards Woodchopper

rebel girl 15

woodchopper wrote: »

Since when is running 100 metres in 11 seconds slow which all good distance athletes do. They would also beat GAA players in a 60 metre sprint. Maybe all the GAA players in Ireland are faster than Tyson Gay.
Read up on Renato Cavona regarding how hills can develop explosive speed or any good American speed coach who works in the NFL.

AGAIN PEOPLE ARE POSTING ABOUT OVERTRAINING. 2 hours of shooting practice every night is not phyically taxing, therefore over training is not an issue.

That is athletics arrogance of the highest kind - before you post again, you should really go and watch an intercounty GAA training session and see the work they put in - its not two hours of shooting practise. Referencing full time athletes in a GAA forum isn't comparable - tbh it seems like you are just flaming just to get a reaction, its seems you have knowledge about athletics and sprinting but haven't even watched a GAA game!! You know that GAA players of the highest level would be beaten in 60m sprints - and how exactly would you know this?? Pure arrogance in the post imo. You are also comparing two different sports - one sport based purely on sprinting, one that has way more to it than sprinting

60m sprints aren't worth anything in games, 20 or 30 m sprints are what happens realistically. GAA players have full time jobs, and many would do their own training outside of the four sessions a week intercounty, and then would also play and train with the clubs. Younger players could be training every night of the week, maybe twice in one night, then playing two or three games at the weekend - thats where the burnout comes in.

rebel girl 15

woodchopper wrote: »

I only mentioed 11 second 100 metre runs as a previous post indicated all the aerobic training would lead to recruiting only slow twitch fibres, which has been proven not the case. With regards to dtrenght training one cannot implement the same programme for all playerss due to previous experiences with strenght training.
What would I do in principle
Press ups, Tricip dips, pull ups, squats, lunges with bar, also kettleball and medicine ball exercises. With regards to explsive strenght plyometics and isometrics would be implemented.

Why does 12 training sessions a week lead to overtraining in GAA players but not in athletes since both work 50 hours a week.?

I doubt I will get an answer but I thought I might as well ask. Are ye not up yet on the GAA forum?

Regards Woodchopper

Not many Irish athletes at the top level work 50 hours weeks - 12 training sessions of 2 hours each plus the game would lead to overuse injury simply because of the intensity of the training - once again your post shows no knowledge of what its like for an intercounty training session. 12 hours of doing sprints/plyometrics and a race at a weekend is no way comparable to 12 hours of GAA training plus a game.

TBH most players would be doing 8 hours with the county, then at least two hours with the club a week, 10 hours in total plus their own work outside of the official training - you don't hear anything about that.

Once again, your post seems the arrogant inflaming kind "are ye not up on the GAA forum yet?" I'm unsubing from this thrad because of the attitude your taking - this was a thread about what people were doing with their club as regards training and what they were doing in their own time, yet you've made it into your own personal vendetta against GAA, go and get that chip on your shoulder examined

cc4life

woodchopper wrote: »

I only mentioed 11 second 100 metre runs as a previous post indicated all the aerobic training would lead to recruiting only slow twitch fibres, which has been proven not the case. With regards to dtrenght training one cannot implement the same programme for all playerss due to previous experiences with strenght training.
What would I do in principle
Press ups, Tricip dips, pull ups, squats, lunges with bar, also kettleball and medicine ball exercises. With regards to explsive strenght plyometics and isometrics would be implemented.

Why does 12 training sessions a week lead to overtraining in GAA players but not in athletes since both work 50 hours a week.?

I doubt I will get an answer but I thought I might as well ask. Are ye not up yet on the GAA forum?

Regards Woodchopper

It leads to overtraining because gaa players are more likely to get injured due to belts off other players, hurleys etc.. It is also a team sport so any dip in your performance could have major consequences for your team

woodchopper

Its hard to have a debate when posters come in and make up some jargan to give credence to their posts. When did I say that GAA players when they are training collectively only practice their shooting. They should spent their other nights doing these drills. My fellow posters read the questions I have given you fully before posting such outlandish demonological jargan.

Again who said anything about 12 strenght sessions in the week of a match. Such utter nonsence. What harm does skill practice do, after all sitting at home watching the soaps wont but the ball over the bar. Lets keep this debate civilized please, no need for personal attacks

woodchopper

cc4life wrote: »

It leads to overtraining because gaa players are more likely to get injured due to belts off other players, hurleys etc.. It is also a team sport so any dip in your performance could have major consequences for your team

Sorry how does strenght training on your own and shooting practice on your own lead to belts from other players. This is about what training GAA players should do outside of Tuesday/Thrusday training sessions with their respective team, training for hurling is altogether different, aerobic fitness not necessary when the ball flys the lenght of the pitch.

Again sorry if there is a delay in any of my responses, I will be watching two Irish athletes ( Joe Sweeney and Mark Kenneally neither who have been given the same luxeries that GAA players enjoy despite competing on the world stage and who also work 50 hours week) race aginst the top sportmen in the planet today over in Edinburgh. If anyone is intersted its live on BBC 1 at 1pm. Both guys are representing Europe in the race.

Regards
Woodchopper

An Citeog

Woodchopper, if you wish to make a positive contribution to any of the threads in the GAA forum, you're more than welcome to do so. This isn't the place to air your grievances re: the status of Irish amateur athletes or anything else of that ilk though. Any more inflammatory comments towards the users of this forum and I'll have no problem issuing infractions and/or bans.

ilovespudss

So after spending the last 15 mins reading through utter nonsense about who's trains harder, gaa players or long distance runners, I am still none the wiser about what way I should be training.

So basically, we're back training this week. I play with a small club, junior level (I'm not trying to compete with Tyson bloody Gay or Bernard Brogan for that matter:eek:)

I'm 5'9 ish and weigh just over 13.5 stone at the minute, I've lost a 6 pound since christmas. So im looking at losing a stone to a stone and a half from this point on.

Between Christmas and now I have been in the gym maybe 3 times a week, mainly working on my leg strength, squating 90-95kg and forward lunges. Upper body, nothing specific, bench pressing, chest flies, standing shoulder press etc

Looking forward I'll be training on the pitch 2-3 times a week and in the gym hopefully another 2-3 days.

I'm as slow sa a wet week so have been researching some plyometric exercises but am not sure when I should be starting these, ie should I build more strength first.

My diet is pretty restricted as I am trying to keep my calorie intake fairly low as I really need to lose the bulk of my weight ASAP. I know this isnt ideal but that is my main priority for the next couple of weeks.

Any help on what work/exercises I can do that would be beneficial would be greatly appreciated.

nice_guy80

ilovespudss wrote: »

So after spending the last 15 mins reading through utter nonsense about who's trains harder, gaa players or long distance runners, I am still none the wiser about what way I should be training.

So basically, we're back training this week. I play with a small club, junior level (I'm not trying to compete with Tyson bloody Gay or Bernard Brogan for that matter:eek:)

I'm 5'9 ish and weigh just over 13.5 stone at the minute, I've lost a 6 pound since christmas. So im looking at losing a stone to a stone and a half from this point on.

Between Christmas and now I have been in the gym maybe 3 times a week, mainly working on my leg strength, squating 90-95kg and forward lunges. Upper body, nothing specific, bench pressing, chest flies, standing shoulder press etc

Looking forward I'll be training on the pitch 2-3 times a week and in the gym hopefully another 2-3 days.

I'm as slow sa a wet week so have been researching some plyometric exercises but am not sure when I should be starting these, ie should I build more strength first.

My diet is pretty restricted as I am trying to keep my calorie intake fairly low as I really need to lose the bulk of my weight ASAP. I know this isnt ideal but that is my main priority for the next couple of weeks.

Any help on what work/exercises I can do that would be beneficial would be greatly appreciated.

well done on losing the weight.

You need to get deadlifts into your routine
also pull ups and rows (both for the back)
try a two day split -
day 1 squat, bench, flys, arm work
day 2 deadlift, back work, shoulder work

each loads of fruit and green veg

eroo

It's recommended that you shouldn't undertake plyometrics until you can squat 1.5xBW.

ilovespudss

Thanks nice_guy and eroo.

Have seen deadlifts being done in the gym but haven't included them in my routine. Will give it a try.

1.5 times my BW? Jesus ill be a while getting there, on my current weight thats 130Kg, max I have squatted is 4 or 5 reps at 100Kg!!

Thanks for the advice lads

keane2097

Deadlifts are very important.