Ryanair to the U.S

David086

You've all probably heard that Ryanair could possibly fly to the u.s in the near future weather it be in two years or twenty years. But what's your opinion on flying with Ryanair to America?

Sure 2-3hrs on a flight in Europe isn't so bad for the price you've paid for the ticket. But imagine that same price (or a little higher) on a flight to NY but this time the journey is much longer, would you fly with them? Would you be able to cope with Ryanair's advertisements throughout the flight and how uncomfortable it would be?

I'd like to know your opinion on this.
David.

Random

i'll stand for 6 hours if you give me 50 euro return to new york.

Blink182rock

Is David code name for Michael O'Leary ... I won't tel anyone

jonnybravo

David086 wrote: »

You've all probably heard that Ryanair could possibly fly to the u.s in the near future weather it be in two years or twenty years. But what's your opinion on flying with Ryanair to America?

Sure 2-3hrs on a flight in Europe isn't so bad for the price you've paid for the ticket. But imagine that same price (or a little higher) on a flight to NY but this time the journey is much longer, would you fly with them? Would you be able to cope with Ryanair's advertisements throughout the flight and how uncomfortable it would be?

I'd like to know your opinion on this.
David.

Air Asia would be of a similar model to Ryanair and they fly London Kuala Lumper and it seems to be pretty successful so I'd imagine it'd be successful enough if Ryanair launched it depending on price.

Though I think personally I'd prefer to pay a bit extra and have more leg room.

scudzilla

The only way it would work is for them to put on in a really good Business Class section to help subsidize the cattle in the back.
I think MoL has mentioned that in the past, if i could go to the U.S for 300euro return i'd fly with them

chucken1

I'd fly to the moon on Ryanair.

What constant ads are we talking about??

I like to hear whats on sale

Hannibal

On Ryanair's cramped up seats?? no thanks. I'm regularly back and forth from Liverpool and Manchester and its a myth that Ryanair are cheaper than Aer Lingus. AL is much more relaxed with more leg room and the fact you have a seat number whereas with Ryanair youre herded onto the plane like cattle. I generally dont use Ryanair to Liverpool anymore, I tend to go Aer Lingus to Manchester than train to Lime Street such is the inconvenience and price diff.
Would Ryanair be flying into JFK, La Guardia or Newark or would they find an airport in upstate NY possibly Albany hundreds of miles from the city??

b.o.m.d.a.s.

i can't see myself ever going to the u.s.,
i used to want to visit NY or the Utah desert , but not anymore,

however; if Ryanair are doing value flights to the u.s. then i would go over for a look,

i doubt he'd use the standard european 737-800's for that route,

anyway i have flown a lot of times with Ryanair, and love them,

mle1324

Apparently it will be either the A350 or 787 (although I read that they'll no longer deal with Boeing when all there 738's arrive) that will be for the long haul routes.

Imagine all the people they could squeeze into those aircraft :pac:

adamski8

would the leg room have to be legally increased, if this were to happen, compared to what it is on ryanair planes atm?

David086

Blink182rock wrote: »

Is David code name for Michael O'Leary ... I won't tel anyone

Shhhhhhh, he's watching :P

David086

adamski8 wrote: »

would the leg room have to be legally increased, if this were to happen, compared to what it is on ryanair planes atm?

I wouldn't think so, but using the 738's on the route wouldn't work.

Zyox

4.5 hours to the Canaries with Ryanair. Extra 2 hours and you could be in New York? Definitely demand for it.

Manic Moran

I would want to look very carefully at the conditions. I have enough misery flying United.

Offhand, I'm inclined to say 'no.'

Air Asia would be of a similar model to Ryanair and they fly London Kuala Lumper

What's the passenger loadout? Are they Asians? Ryanair-style seats might suit them better than Viking-gened 6'5 Aryans.

NTM

Mc Love

You would probably have to pay for the free dinner (snacks etc). Soft drinks and water would'nt be free.

You would have to pay to watch the entertainment equipment and a further fee to hire the headphones.

Think I will stick with EI

axer

I would definitely use it if it was cheap. People expect hotel quality when flying. I am content with bus quality. Bring your own food, your own headphones etc let the idiots that need and pay for unnecessary luxury reduce the cost of my ticket. BUT if they fly well outside cities like they sometimes do in europe then I will definitely be taking that into account in deciding which airline is best value.

MyKeyG

Personally I would at least give it a shot. If I got Shannon to NY for 100 quid then happy times. Believe me I've been on worse services that profess to be transatlantic than any Ryanair flight I've ever been on. The only thing is I might drink all my spending money by the time I get there.

xflyer

You wouldn't get away with the type of service Ryanair dishes out on short haul on a long haul service. So it would be better. But don't expect to fly into JFK or LAX.

It may happen but I don't think MOL is that interested. A new boss might be though.

axer

xflyer wrote: »

You wouldn't get away with the type of service Ryanair dishes out on short haul on a long haul service.

I don't get what is wrong with the service they "dish" out. What service do you get on citylink or bus eireann?

Wats_in_a_name

I'd go for it. Travel Ryanair all the time and love them. Would pick them ahead of EI any day of the week.

At the end of the day its around 7 hours to NY. Buy a sandwich in the airport and bring it onboard probably nicer than the stuff you get server with other airlines. MP3 player in blocks out the advertisements.

Would prefer if they landed in Albany hop on a southwest flight to Orlando. One of the main reasons I use FR you don't go through hub airports.

MyKeyG

axer wrote: »

I don't get what is wrong with the service they "dish" out. What service do you get on citylink or bus eireann?

I agree to a point. I flew Dublin to Toronto then onto Vancouver with Air Canada. They were the dingiest, grottiest, smelliest planes I ever flew on. The hostesses looked like they had previously worked for Air Chernobyl . It's not just coincidence however that Ryanair have a bad staff rep, I have noticed it to be fair, but at least they're nicer to look at.

plonk

Air asia x use brand new a330s for their flights. They are the newest and probably some of the most comfortable planes I have ever been on. Flew several times with them and for an extra $10 a flight you can pick your seat. So you can get emergency exit if thats your preference.

I was picking up flights from Melbourne and Perth to KL for $120 one way including baggage. So at todays rate thats roughly 85 euro for a 5-7 hour flight.

If ryanair could match this it would be epic but some how I dont think they will be able to.

Terrontress

I have had some really ropey experiences with EI going transatlantic. I have taken return flights where the headphones for the film haven't worked on the way out or back. I've been placed in the middle of the row of four by the bulkhead, with one finger in one ear and the other ear pressed against one of the headphones while my wife tries to listen to the other as we watch some sub-standard film.

EI are no different to Ryanair on their transatlantic routes, trying to sell Pringles and pouring drinks from a 2l of coke. Why do they need to sell Pringles separately to their inflight meal? The food is very poor quality and the IFE is full of adverts for things of no relevance like Irish owned removal companies in New York.

I can't see how any airline could run a worse transatlantic service than EI. I've been on equally as bad such as Delta but nothing worse.

Mitch Buchannon

Terrontress wrote: »

the IFE is full of adverts for things of no relevance like Irish owned removal companies in New York.

Ahh, it's of no relevance to you. But people from Ireland are not the only people on the aircraft. Who knows how many people onboard are from the city your flying too and may require that service.
As far as I'm aware you do not have to watch it. Just hit fast forward on the remote.

honru

I think nowadays with the advances in portable technology and entertainment I would have no problem sitting it out on the long-haul with Ryanair, etc.

Terrontress

Mitch Buchannon wrote: »

Ahh, it's of no relevance to you. But people from Ireland are not the only people on the aircraft. Who knows how many people onboard are from the city your flying too and may require that service.
As far as I'm aware you do not have to watch it. Just hit fast forward on the remote.

Just as Ryanair's scratchcard ad is of use to someone with a few Slovakian Kroners left on their way back from Riga. I still don't want to hear it.

Any EI plane on a transatlantic service that I have been on has not had the seat back IFE

David086

I'v had the seat back IFE and to say the least it was great. I got kind of bored though watching tv over and over and an odd film. But that's just me.

AwayWithFaries

Random wrote: »

i'll stand for 6 hours if you give me 50 euro return to new york.

Exactly, cheaper flights the us can only be a good thing.

Eve_Dublin

axer wrote: »

I don't get what is wrong with the service they "dish" out. What service do you get on citylink or bus eireann?

As far as I remember, I've never been shouted at by staff of any of these companies. I fly with Ryanair a lot (Dublin - Madrid) and they've no qualms about actually hollering at passangers (in Dublin, not Madrid) and it puts me in a bad mood. I try and fly Aer Lingus when I can (whose staff are really lovely) but sometimes it's just that much cheaper.

Mc Love

Terrontress wrote: »

I have had some really ropey experiences with EI going transatlantic. I have taken return flights where the headphones for the film haven't worked on the way out or back.

Ever thought of putting your hand up or pressing the call bell and getting new headphones?

Terrontress wrote: »

I've been placed in the middle of the row of four by the bulkhead, with one finger in one ear and the other ear pressed against one of the headphones while my wife tries to listen to the other as we watch some sub-standard film.

There are plenty choices of movies & tv programmes along with multiple games to keep you amused/entertained, blaming EI for watching a poor movie of your choosing really doesnt make sense

Terrontress wrote: »

EI are no different to Ryanair on their transatlantic routes, trying to sell Pringles and pouring drinks from a 2l of coke. Why do they need to sell Pringles separately to their inflight meal? The food is very poor quality and the IFE is full of adverts for things of no relevance like Irish owned removal companies in New York.

Food quality is grand, not top notch but I dont think FR would be able to do much better. I enjoyed both my meals over and back from DUB to JFK and JFK to DUB!!

Pringles arent really a meal (more of a snack) so it would make sense that you would buy them. The IFE is good, the ads are annoying but as said previously....have you never heard of fast forward!?

Terrontress

Mc Love wrote: »

Ever thought of putting your hand up or pressing the call bell and getting new headphones?



There are plenty choices of movies & tv programmes along with multiple games to keep you amused/entertained, blaming EI for watching a poor movie of your choosing really doesnt make sense



Food quality is grand, not top notch but I dont think FR would be able to do much better. I enjoyed both my meals over and back from DUB to JFK and JFK to DUB!!

Pringles arent really a meal (more of a snack) so it would make sense that you would buy them. The IFE is good, the ads are annoying but as said previously....have you never heard of fast forward!?

Each of the three times that happened I raised it with the stewardesses and they have changed the headphones but the problem was with the socket. One time they gave a splitter so two sets of headphones could be used but then only one side works. When it happened twice on the one return leg I sent a letter of complaint to Aer Lingus including my seat number and boarding card stubs. I got a letter back stating that maintenance is their highest priority. No reference to what happened.

I have not been on an Aer Lingus transatlantic flight since Dec 2008 as my brother no longer lives in New York. I did fly regularly before then. Maybe five returns in eight years. In all that time I never had the personal seat back tv so could not press Fast Forward.

I am aware of what Aer Lingus offers and how much it costs and I pay my money and take my seat. My point is though that the Pringles and wine hawking is pure Ryanair. The drinks poured from a 2l bottle looks cheap. The IFE is a pathetic afterthought. I have had some shockingly bad seats. So on that basis, I cannot see Ryanair being any worse than Aer Lingus and if they undercut them by €10 then I'd choose FR over EI.

BuffyBot

Any EI plane on a transatlantic service that I have been on has not had the seat back IFE

The entire fleet has had it for a while now..

Terrontress

BuffyBot wrote: »

The entire fleet has had it for a while now..

Fair enough. As I said, I haven't been on them for 2 years now but have never been on one with.

I've flown with KLM on a 747 from AMS to JFK with overhead screens and have been extremely impressed with the whole service. Top notch food, drinks, seats.

I've now got a PSP, a Nokia N97 and a set of noise cancelling headphones so I can sort out my own IFE if needs be.

saeglopur

Doubt it will happen any time soon or at least not out of Ireland. EI were very close to pulling their entire transatlantic route about a year and a half ago. The market is just not there in Ireland at the moment. Over 50% of EI's transatlantic passengers are connecting passengers which is something that Ryanair's model doesn't facilitate. Also airlines are skeptical that the regional airport model works for the US market. EI tried it with a Newark route for example and it didnt work.


As for the IFE, all EI's transatlantic fleet are fitted with a new system that was developed for the a380's. In fact, they were the first airline to use it so its hardly a pathetic afterthought

lord lucan

I'd say he'd use Islip on Long Island as the main gateway to the NY area. SouthWest currently use it and with USCBP from Dublin it'd mean they could land as domestic passengers. Ironically they'd end up paying for the use of the airbridges at T2 in order to avail of USCBP!

Cosmo Kramer

Newark's not exactly a regional airport though, even though its in New Jersey its as handy as JFK for Manhattan.

Aer Lingus TA product is OK, nothing special but it is at least as good as the US carriers it competes directly against on routes. From Shannon I generally find that Delta and Continental come in much cheaper on the New York routes.

I would rate KLM a good bit higher than Aer Lingus. Flew Amsterdam to Los Angeles in October and was seriously impressed with their food, drinks, service, cabin crew and IFE. Aside from the new seating their 20 year old 747s are a bit tired and worn looking though.

Service on the connecting flight from Glasgow to Amsterdam was great too.

saeglopur

Cosmo Kramer wrote: »

Newark's not exactly a regional airport though, even though its in New Jersey its as handy as JFK for Manhattan.

yeah apols. was trying to think of a route out of Ireland to the US that wasnt to the main international hub of a city and that was the only one i could think of. Point still stands though as EI found that passengers preferred to fly out of JFK even though charges where cheaper out of Newark. (

Out of interest, are there any airlines that fly a successful transatlantic route which is point to point and doesn't use the main international hubs?

bobblepuzzle

The NTSB and FAA have already said that Ryanair will have to adhere to it's strict rules and regulations before beginning operation... and yes the rules include free meals etc. Not only that, but as regards Air Safety....

daithi2011

If Ryanair gave me €100 return to anywhere in the US, even 50-100 miles from major cities, id be going 3 or 4 times a year.

I can handle ryanair. What is p1ssing me off more and more with aer lingus is the constant tapping on the back of my seat when im trying to sleep. Whoever made those seat back tvs touch screen needs a slap.

Oh, look at the time. Almost time for the pub.

jahalpin

I would rather swim to New York than fly with Ryanair

The 300euro quoted would probably be plus "taxes and charges" which would probably bring the fare to over 500euro. At the moment, I can fly from Dublin - Las Vegas (via LHR) with British Airways for 175 plus "taxes and charges"

I have flown with Ryanair a few times and they are the worst airline that I have ever flown with. They are also, by far, the most expensive airline to the UK if you don't book well in advance

As other posters have said, Ryanair would probably fly to regional airports such as Albany (for New York) and Monterey (for LA and San Francisco)

b.o.m.d.a.s.

if it is viable to start flying to the u.s., ryanair will do it.

BuffyBot

The NTSB and FAA have already said that Ryanair will have to adhere to it's strict rules and regulations before beginning operation... and yes the rules include free meals etc. Not only that, but as regards Air Safety....

I'm pretty sure that the NTSB has nothing to do with "free meals", and even the FAA would be a stretch. The provision of inflight meals has nothing to do with them and Ryanair would be far from the first transatlantic flying airline that wouldn't provide them (the US' own People Express was doing that in the 80's, never mind Skytrain from the UK in the 70's)..

As for safety jibe, Ryanair already has to reach EU standards, which are pretty much equivelant to the FAA's.

laugh

BuffyBot wrote: »

As for safety jibe, Ryanair already has to reach EU standards, which are pretty much equivelant to the FAA's.

It would only take one safety related incident to destroy a low fare model and Ryanair take that very seriously, I can believe the dodgy views of Ryanair here no short hawl carriers fawn over their passengers any more.

Lapin

chucken1 wrote: »

I'd fly to the moon on Ryanair.

Ryanair flights to the Moon use a regional airport in Mars. :pac:

Run_to_da_hills

I would have no problem flying to the US with Ryanair.

Just think of it as spending a full day in a McDonalds resturaunt with wings.

AfterDusk

bobblepuzzle wrote: »

The NTSB and FAA have already said that Ryanair will have to adhere to it's strict rules and regulations before beginning operation... and yes the rules include free meals etc. Not only that, but as regards Air Safety....

Excuse me??! What exactly makes you think that Ryanair are unsafe? :rolleyes: :mad:

Cessna_Pilot

Luckily enough Ryanair have one of, if not the most impressive safety record in Europe.
Despite what some people want to believe.

corny

Ryanair have one of the most modern fleets in the business. Most of their planes are brand spanking new.

I seem to remember MOL saying this would be a reality today if it weren't for the 'extortionate' prices Ryanair were quoted on new transatlantic aircraft a few years back. Recession is great for driving costs down so he could be getting them on the cheap quite soon. I'd put up with any amount of **** from them if they can get me safely there for half the price. Money talks and all that.

Dacian

Terrontress wrote: »

I have had some really ropey experiences with EI going transatlantic. I have taken return flights where the headphones for the film haven't worked on the way out or back...........with one finger in one ear and the other ear pressed against one of the headphones while my wife tries to listen to the other as we watch some sub-standard film.

EI are no different to Ryanair on their transatlantic routes, trying to sell Pringles and pouring drinks from a 2l of coke. Why do they need to sell Pringles separately to their inflight meal? The food is very poor quality and the IFE is full of adverts for things of no relevance like Irish owned removal companies in New York.

Last time I was on EI (May and August) the films were bang up to date with individual screens.

Terrontress wrote: »

I have not been on an Aer Lingus transatlantic flight since Dec 2008

Just caught up on the 4th page. See you point about the IFE. The previous EI IFE was muck. The new one is however one of the best even if EI do not use its full potential. It is by Panasonic and in theory could be upgraded to have Wi-Fi. JetBlue in OZ use the same system and have Wi-Fi.

Whats wrong with pouring from a bottle? Does it taste different? Seems to be they can pack more litres of coke/7up/fanta etc onboard if the use biger bottles. I don't think it looks cheap.No less then the little cans.

As with any form of public transport I always bring a bottle of water/7up. I didn't buy any pringles, no one tried to sell them to me. I had my own bar of diary milk to nibble at. I bought myself a few beers and was happy with that. No hawking to my eyes.

I do agree with the adverts though. I'm not going to get off the plane in JFK and change my hotel booking to Fitzpatricks hotel just because I saw an ad on the plane!

lilahelena

Yes I would fly to America with Ryanair

Cheap Flight so NYC, Boston, Chicago or Orlando and plenty more, a few hours on a cramped plane to get to see these cities well I could put up with it

BuffyBot

JetBlue in OZ use the same system and have Wi-Fi.

JetStar? AFAIK they only have portable players.

Whats wrong with pouring from a bottle? Does it taste different? Seems to be they can pack more litres of coke/7up/fanta etc onboard if the use biger bottles. I don't think it looks cheap.No less then the little cans.

Goes flat quicker, especially with the pressure in the cabin. Not particularily nice to be served a flat, warm drink from an open bottle that's been sitting in the galley for a few hours after meal service. And it does look cheap IMHO.