jap cars

colm1234

ok so heres my rant, it has become apparent that most the people who comment on motors dont know too much, so here is my debate, in my opinion when buying older motors you cant go wrong buying japanese petrol eg toyota,honda, nissan, mazda. but apparently im wrong and the likes of the fiat punto is the car to go for or any french car, what are your thoughts on this

jaffa20

Different strokes for different folks.

Also, if we don't know much, why are you asking?

2qk4u

Everyone I know that has owned any fiat cars have regretted the day they bought them, they are troublesome and dont last. I have owned many jap cars and they are far superior. But hey, what do I know ?

Absurdum

good point, badly made

colm1234

jaffa20 wrote: »

Different strokes for different folks.

Also, if we don't know much, why are you asking?

im asking because im astounded at how many people that clearly know nothing about the subject will argue their point and tell me (a mechanic with 20 years experience) that the punto is a good car i just wanted to post this thread as it would be interesting to see how people respond thats all

homer90

Iv a horse outside....:rolleyes:

But hey, what do I know.....

MagicMarker

colm1234 wrote: »

ok so heres my rant, it has become apparent that most the people who comment on motors dont know too much, so here is my debate, in my opinion when buying older motors you cant go wrong buying japanese petrol eg toyota,honda, nissan, mazda. but apparently im wrong and the likes of the fiat punto is the car to go for or any french car, what are your thoughts on this

Can you quote one person who said to go for a punto or ''any french car'' over a jap car?

Guy:Incognito

If we're eliminating anthing that isnt Jap, why not narrow it down even more and people should only buy the single most reliable car in each class. Sure everything else is inferior, Jap or not.


Theres more to life than a car thats the most reliable. Having said that , I've never been left stranded by any of my French cars. Go figure, and other than the missus crashing her Scenic, I've never had to go rescue any of my familt/friends that have them either.

colm1234

MagicMarker wrote: »

Can you quote one person who said to go for a punto or ''any french car'' over a jap car?

just go to the thread called car upgrade and read through it all its good for a laugh, i dont know how to post the thread in here

colm1234

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

If we're eliminating anthign that isnt Jap, why not narrow it down even more and people should only buy the single most reliable car in each class. Sure everythign else is inferior, Jap or not.

not at all im looking to see what people think is a good car theres plenty of other good cars out there that aint jap eg german diesel

MagicMarker

colm1234 wrote: »

just go to the thread called car upgrade and read through it all its good for a laugh, i dont know how to post the thread in here

I have read it, the thing is no one has said what you're implying. They all just pulled you up on the post below, which is complete horseshít.

colm1234 wrote: »

its was obvious you dont have a clue about cars as soon as you said you own a punto, no offense. here is a basic guide line to use when buying cars for those that dont know too much about cars stay away from fiat, peugeot,citroen,daewoo,alfa romeo,rover

if buying petrol go for a japanese car eg toyota, honda, nissan, mazda

if buying diesel go for german car eg bmw, vw, mercedes,

Technoprisoner

renault snap belts and bend valves, window regs (really exspensive) oh and keep a coil or two spare in the boot lol

peugeot good luck trying to keep anti roll bar links and wishbones in them

bmw thermostat housings, viscous fans, wishbones, bushes,

merc fairly decent but when they go wrong can be exspensive

vw/audi those bloody track control arms lol but farily cheap to maintain especially if you can do the work yourself

jaffa20

colm1234 wrote: »

not at all im looking to see what people think is a good car theres plenty of other good cars out there that aint jap eg german diesel

colm1234 wrote: »

just go to the threads called car upgrade and read through it all its good for a laugh, i dont know how to post the thread in here

Do you mean these threads from today?:P

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056132375

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056129471

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056056481

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056132350

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056131428

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056131859

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056130086

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056131315

colm1234

MagicMarker wrote: »

I have read it, the thing is no one has said what you're implying. They all just pulled you up on the post below, which is complete horseshít.

lmfao sorry fella your right jap petrol is crap as are german diesel enjoy your french and itallian cars and if you take the time to read all posts you will see that 2 people say that the punto is a great starter car and great value for money, also this is not horse ****e taken into acount that the question was, what car is a good one to go for, there was no price range given so this was intended as a basic guide line, im guessing by your anger you are offended because you are a renault driver and have told your wife you know everything about cars, its ok buddy most men do it

MagicMarker

@ jaffa20 - Touché.

Guy:Incognito

Technoprisoner wrote: »

renault snap belts and bend valves, window regs (really exspensive) oh and keep a coil or two spare in the boot lol

Bar changing coils (one went but I decided to change all 4) in 1 of our renaults, we've never had any of the above issues and certainly no engine issues.

Plenty of Marques are known for going through coils now and then btw. It's not limited to Renault or France.

Anyway, your right, lets pick a Japanese marque. Say Toyota. Certainly no bad press about them in the last few years anyway.........


As I said in another thread, I sat in a brand new Lancer a couple of weeks ago. You couldnt get me to part with money for one of those yolks. I was glad to get my arse back in to my 13 year old Peugeot van, nevermind the mothers new Megane when I had to later in the day. Reliability, pecieved or otherwise, doesnt really factor in to my car choices. I drive the cars I want and like. Hasnt failed me yet.

Alanstrainor

Generalisations suck at generalising things.

Technoprisoner

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Bar changing coils in 1 of our renaults, we've never had any of the above issues and certainly no engine issues.

Plenty of Marques are known for going through coils now and then btw. It's not limited to Renault or France.

yes but the renaults are renowned for it ...as for the belt snaping im not sure if that is down to poor maintance or other failure

MagicMarker

colm1234 wrote: »

lmfao sorry fella your right jap petrol is crap as are german diesel enjoy your french and itallian cars and if you take the time to read all posts you will see that 2 people say that the punto is a great starter car and great value for money, also this is not horse ****e taken into acount that the question was, what car is a good one to go for, there was no price range given so this was intended as a basic guide line, im guessing by your anger you are offended because you are a renault driver and have told your wife you know everything about cars, its ok buddy most men do it

lol

1. Please point out where I said jap petrol or german diesel is crap?
2. Please explain to me how saying a punto is a good starter car is the same as 'puntos are better than jap petrol or german diesels', which is what you're implying people said?

I'm amazed you didn't mention your 20 years experience for the 68th time, in fact I'm amazed you're even over 20.

colm1234

actually what are peoples thoughts on the nissan almera with that timing chain made by renault ???

Guy:Incognito

Technoprisoner wrote: »

yes but the renaults are renowned for it ...as for the belt snaping im not sure if that is down to poor maintance or other failure

"the" belt being what? I assume you mean timing belt? Havnt heard anythign myself tbh about weaknesses. My godfathers Laguna I did break a timing belt a few years back but it was way over due on both time and mileage, which was odd because he is normally very good with service intervals and the like.

colm1234

MagicMarker wrote: »

lol

1. Please point out where I said jap petrol or german diesel is crap?
2. Please explain to me how saying a punto is a good starter car is the same as 'puntos are better than jap petrol or german diesels', which is what you're implying people said?

I'm amazed you didn't mention your 20 years experience for the 68th time, in fact I'm amazed you're even over 20.

you are arguing for the sake of it have you anything of value to add to the discussion ?? if not id keep it to yourself fella

andyseadog

having owned 2 toyotas, 2 nissans, and a daihatsu, aswell as a peugeot, a renault, and 2 fords, i can confidently say the japanese cars were more reliable.

people are more than welcome to buy european toss, leaves more quality japanese cars for me to buy.

Technoprisoner

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

"the" belt being what? I assume you mean timing belt? Havnt heard anythign myself tbh about weaknesses. My godfathers Laguna I did break a timing belt a few years back but it was way over due on both time and mileage, which was odd because he is normally very good with service intervals and the like.

re read my post...i said as for the belt (and yes thats the timing belt) im not sure if that is down to poor maintance or other failure

colm1234

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

"the" belt being what? I assume you mean timing belt? Havnt heard anythign myself tbh about weaknesses. My godfathers Laguna I did break a timing belt a few years back but it was way over due on both time and mileage, which was odd because he is normally very good with service intervals and the like.

id say the laguna has to be one of the most confortable cars ever id almost fall asleep at the wheel

Guy:Incognito

colm1234 wrote: »

actually what are peoples thoughts on the nissan almera with that timing chain made by renault ???

According to my 29 years experience in being alive I reckon they are adequatly chain like.

colm1234

Technoprisoner wrote: »

re read my post...i said as for the belt (and yes thats the timing belt) im not sure if that is down to poor maintance or other failure

nissan almera has a timing chain not belt

Guy:Incognito

colm1234 wrote: »

nissan almera has a timing chain not belt

I'm sure they do but we're not talking about the Almera.

Technoprisoner

colm1234 wrote: »

nissan almera has a timing chain not belt

i was taking about renault 16v engines

Guy:Incognito

colm1234 wrote: »

you are arguing for the sake of it have you anything of value to add to the discussion ??

whereas threads about "jap cars are great, everything else is a bucket of ****" is pure creative genius and a constructive use of server space.

colm1234

Technoprisoner wrote: »

i was taking about renault 16v engines

apologies

colm1234

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

whereas threads about "jap cars are great, everything else is a bucket of ****" is pure creative genius and a constructive use of server space.

hey its giving me a laugh buddy an you seem to be posting quite a bit too

bmw535d

ok ladies, drop the hand bags please....

Guy:Incognito

colm1234 wrote: »

hey its giving me a laugh buddy an you seem to be posting quite a bit too

Do the words come out the same on your screen as everyone elses? Cos you dont really seem to be having the same coversation as the rest of us.

JerCotter7

Technoprisoner wrote: »

renault snap belts and bend valves, window regs (really exspensive) oh and keep a coil or two spare in the boot lol

peugeot good luck trying to keep anti roll bar links and wishbones in them

bmw thermostat housings, viscous fans, wishbones, bushes,

merc fairly decent but when they go wrong can be exspensive

vw/audi those bloody track control arms lol but farily cheap to maintain especially if you can do the work yourself

VW/Audi cheap?!?! I would say they are the same as mercs. Once something goes wrong prepare to lose an arm or a leg.

Technoprisoner

JerCotter7 wrote: »

VW/Audi cheap?!?! I would say they are the same as mercs. Once something goes wrong prepare to lose an arm or a leg.

you are obviously looking in the wrong place for the parts so

bmw535d

Technoprisoner wrote: »

you are obviously looking in the wrong place for the parts so

genuine audi parts are as expensive as bmw or merc parts, however because of the popularity of the vw/audi automobile there are millions of fake parts that are very cheap and very cheaply made i might add.

Gary ITR

There's not a facepalm big enough for this thread, lads if ye want to debate in a constructive way please do but no handbags at dawn. Also please leave the modding to the mods and report the post if you have an issue

Technoprisoner

bmw535d wrote: »

genuine audi parts are as expensive as bmw or merc parts, however because of the popularity of the vw/audi automobile there are millions of fake parts that are very cheap and very cheaply made i might add.

again that is debatable...genuine vw are reasonably priced.....after market stuff is cheap but what difference is there between a spurious part for an audi/vw and a spurious part for a merc?

Senna

I'd agree if your buying a starter car from the mid 90's or before, you are probably better off going for the jap makes. The micra or starlet in general will be more reliable than clio, punto.
If your like me, in my 30's, this believe that jap beats European is probably something pick up from when we were look at these cars 10 years ago, at that time it was true. Now modern cars from all manufactures are a lot more reliable.

JamBur

thanks for this thread Colm, I needed a laugh

JerCotter7

Technoprisoner wrote: »

again that is debatable...genuine vw are reasonably priced.....after market stuff is cheap but what difference is there between a spurious part for an audi/vw and a spurious part for a merc?

No difference. That's why I would rate both the same.

colm1234

Senna wrote: »

I'd agree if your buying a starter car from the mid 90's or before, you are probably better off going for the jap makes. The micra or starlet in general will be more reliable than clio, punto.
If your like me, in my 30's, this believe that jap beats European is probably something pick up from when we were look at these cars 10 years ago, at that time it was true. Now modern cars from all manufactures are a lot more reliable.

totally agree with this comment, it will be interesting to see in another 13 years or so what cars of today will become the old faithful. the new opels seem to be a fairly decent contender

dgt

They still exist, the sticks in the mud, afraid to leave the old ways behind... Leave them to it, theyll learn when its too late

I thought youd be encouraging people to buy these cars? To keep yourself in buisness instead of encouraging people to buy the reliable toygoatas and the other claptrap...

colm1234

any thoughts on the 98 to 04 1.4 astra ? other than the usual head gasket problems they seem like a good wagon

hairyman

This has been done to death!!!

Every body has their horror stories and praises regarding different manufacturers.

If somebody asks a question regarding a good first choice for a used car, then everybody is entitled to give their opinion on whatever car has served them best when they were in the same situation, that includes driver/owners of both French and Italian cars.

I will agree in saying that somebody jumping on a thread and slating a brand because its the done thing(the French and Italians always seem to get this) is very annoying.
I want first hand info from owner drivers, not the Google and Wickipedia know it alls.

I like Ford Escorts, many people do not, and that's their god given right but the blue oval has always been good to me.

colm1234

dgt wrote: »

They still exist, the sticks in the mud, afraid to leave the old ways behind... Leave them to it, theyll learn when its too late

I thought youd be encouraging people to buy these cars? To keep yourself in buisness instead of encouraging people to buy the reliable toygoatas and the other claptrap...

thats my point ive been giving people advice about buying a reliable older car ie 1.3 corolla and all off a sudden im bombarded by smart ass know it alls so i just give in, started this thread for a laugh :P

Technoprisoner

realiable older car toyota starlet all day long

colm1234

Technoprisoner wrote: »

realiable older car toyota starlet all day long

i could only ever fit into the old boxy starlet lol

Technoprisoner

colm1234 wrote: »

i could only ever fit into the old boxy starlet lol

the best out of the lot of them

waxon-waxoff

If you buy a fairly modern or new car, even a Fiat or Peugeot, and are not a hard driver and service it regularly, then it should last for years. Its just that French or Italian cars dont take too much abuse.

Jap cars from the 90's were generally boring but durable and stood up to plenty of abuse. Nissans and Mitsubishi were good back then and popular in Ireland but then they let their quality slide and sales dropped. I feel guilty having advised somebody to buy an 05 Almera recently. It feels too light and fragile and not a hard wearing product like a 90's Primera or Micra. All considered id say Honda are the best Jap car.