Doucmentary If Ireland invaded the North!

RobitTV

Just saw this Doucmentary on youtube it was shown on RTE A while back, If south ireland invaded the north, 1969 troubles in northern ireland, and the Goverment in dublin send 120 Irish defence force troops to the border and Try and invade the north by starting with newry, Acourse this didnt happen but it could of happend It said. But the irish troops get slaughtered By another Army that controls the North. Lol

Watch here
Part1
And all the rest of the parts will be on the Sidebar to the right of the video.

Also did you ever see this before? and what do you think of it?

TheZohanS

RobitTV wrote: »

Just saw this Doucmentary on youtube it was shown on RTE A while back, If south ireland invaded the north, 1969 troubles in northern ireland, and the Goverment in dublin send 120 Irish defence force troops to the border and Try and invade the north by starting with newry, Acourse this didnt happen but it could of happend It said. But the irish troops get slaughtered By another Army that controls the North. Lol

Watch here
Part1
And all the rest of the parts will be on the Sidebar to the right of the video.

Also did you ever see this before? and what do you think of it?

Are you a brand new person or something?

Biggins

Knew about this, read and studied it.
If your interested, try and get a copy of a non-fiction book (once actually banned in Ireland) called "Orders for the captain" written by Captain James Kelly and it concerns matters, arms and Haughty around this time. I read the book myself many years ago.
As to the man himself, here is a few links:
* http://www.independent.ie/unsorted/migration/captain-james-kelly-492992.html
* http://www.irishgraves.com/captain_james_kelly.htm
* http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/3075465.stm

Its interesting reading and it helps to put the period into further perspective and how things came so close to what could have been profound actions.

Celly Smunt

i guess i portrayed that even back then our government was filled with nutjobs

Biggins

pmcmahon wrote: »

i guess i portrayed that even back then our government was filled with nutjobs

Well what party was in power at the time!
Some things don't change within said orgs, no matter who's at the helm or coming up behind them!

easyeason3

RobitTV wrote: »

Just saw this Doucmentary on youtube it was shown on RTE A while back, If south ireland invaded the north, 1969 troubles in northern ireland, and the Goverment in dublin send 120 Irish defence force troops to the border and Try and invade the north by starting with newry, Acourse this didnt happen but it could of happend It said. But the irish troops get slaughtered By another Army that controls the North. Lol

Watch here
Part1
And all the rest of the parts will be on the Sidebar to the right of the video.

Also did you ever see this before? and what do you think of it?

I almost got run over a bus today, it could have happened but it didn't.

Biggins

easyeason3 wrote: »

I almost got run over a bus today, it could have happened but it didn't.

I'll try harder the next time!

TheZohanS

easyeason3 wrote: »

I almost got run over a bus today, it could have happened but it didn't.

You should start a thread on it....

easyeason3

Biggins wrote: »

I'll try harder the next time!

Ah don't mind me Biggins, I'm like a bitch today is all

Riddle101

Yeah I don't know what would have happened if the south invaded the north tbh. I mean, let's assume they did. Would the IRA have aided the PDF, and if so would that have effected things as well? just a thought really.

But sure it's proberly for the best nothing did happen, I mean imagine what could have happened

Rodin

Riddle101 wrote: »

Yeah I don't know what would have happened if the south invaded the north tbh. I mean, let's assume they did. Would the IRA have aided the PDF, and if so would that have effected things as well? just a thought really.

But sure it's proberly for the best nothing did happen, I mean imagine what could have happened

The southern forces would have gotten taken apart.
A stand up and fight army against the Brits? When the Brits gave even less of a xxxx than they do now? Carnage

Wolfe Tone

Riddle101 wrote: »

Yeah I don't know what would have happened if the south invaded the north tbh. I mean, let's assume they did. Would the IRA have aided the PDF, and if so would that have effected things as well? just a thought really.

But sure it's proberly for the best nothing did happen, I mean imagine what could have happened

What IRA? Wasnt much of it at the time.

stevejr

Realistically, invading the north was olnly ever a pipe dream, even Collins new it wasn't faesableand would only end up weakening the nationallist position through defeat.

In military terms an invasion of the North would have presented analogous problems to the US in Iraq today ie... a partial hostile population backed by a hostile neighbouring power...except we wouldn't have had the capability of the US and thus would have been driven off easily.

Redundant debate IMO

ScareGilly

TheZohan wrote: »

You should start a thread on it....

Make a documentary about it...

Rodin

The Irish army would have gotten distracted by the cheap booze,and readily available contraception!

RobitTV

They just wouldnt stand a chance, The British prime minster Would be dancing around the corridors Feeling all superior, And saying to the other Minsters "Hmmm should i attack now, Nah left them stay there for another 5 mins they might get cold then And get tired" Then he will say Attack! Then all you will see is around 40 RAF Fighter jets going around the area, And around 500 soilders, Then the RAF Will start firing at them. and some of them Retreat But get shot by soliders on the ground, Then The Irish commander reports to King. Cowen III "There all dead, They got slaughtered literally" Cowen says "Ahh sure we can use them to make some nice Beef for my dinner tonight"

Poccington

There was never an invasion plan drawn up, the DF were asked to put together a military option of what could be done if the North went into meltdown.

The plan was never to invade the North, merely open up a corridor to pull Catholics out and to create an international incident using border raids and seizing Newry while Catholics were pulled back to the Republic.

Poccington

RobitTV wrote: »

They just wouldnt stand a chance, The British prime minster Would be dancing around the corridors Feeling all superior, And saying to the other Minsters "Hmmm should i attack now, Nah left them stay there for another 5 mins they might get cold then And get tired" Then he will say Attack! Then all you will see is around 40 RAF Fighter jets going around the area, And around 500 soilders, Then the RAF Will start firing at them. and some of them Retreat But get shot by soliders on the ground, Then The Irish commander reports to King. Cowen III "There all dead, They got slaughtered literally" Cowen says "Ahh sure we can use them to make some nice Beef for my dinner tonight"

I'm struggling to figure out how you've managed to include Cowen in your story when Jack Lynch was Taoiseach at the time.

TheZohanS

RobitTV wrote: »

They just wouldnt stand a chance, The British prime minster Would be dancing around the corridors Feeling all superior, And saying to the other Minsters "Hmmm should i attack now, Nah left them stay there for another 5 mins they might get cold then And get tired" Then he will say Attack! Then all you will see is around 40 RAF Fighter jets going around the area, And around 500 soilders, Then the RAF Will start firing at them. and some of them Retreat But get shot by soliders on the ground, Then The Irish commander reports to King. Cowen III "There all dead, They got slaughtered literally" Cowen says "Ahh sure we can use them to make some nice Beef for my dinner tonight"

Still haven't worked out why and when you use the caps button eh?

starbelgrade

The South has invaded the North loads of times.

They usually come back with loads of cheap booze & electrical goods.

Rockery Woman

We will be invading Belfast in February - the family bought me a weekend break in a hotel there!

We will be invading the shopping centres, restaurants, pubs and other places....

anyone coming?:D

Wolfe Tone

Poccington wrote: »

There was never an invasion plan drawn up, the DF were asked to put together a military option of what could be done if the North went into meltdown.

The plan was never to invade the North, merely open up a corridor to pull Catholics out and to create an international incident using border raids and seizing Newry while Catholics were pulled back to the Republic.

You would think they would capture Derry too no?

4zn76tysfajdxp

Rockery Woman wrote: »

We will be invading Belfast in February - the family bought me a weekend break in a hotel there!

We will be invading the shopping centres, restaurants, pubs and other places....

anyone coming?:D

You are, by the sounds of things.

RobitTV

Poccington wrote: »

I'm struggling to figure out how you've managed to include Cowen in your story when Jack Lynch was Taoiseach at the time.

yeah i know, but That is what would of happend if the invasion happend today.

TheZohanS

RobitTV wrote: »

yeah i know, but That is what would of happend if the invasion happend today.

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RobitTV

TheZohan wrote: »

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You seem to be in a "happy" mood tonight Zohan

TheZohanS

RobitTV wrote: »

You seem to be in a "happy" mood tonight Zohan

Knock yourself out!

Star Bingo

invasion of the proddie snatchers

upandcumming

RobitTV wrote: »

They just wouldnt stand a chance, The British prime minster Would be dancing around the corridors Feeling all superior, And saying to the other Minsters "Hmmm should i attack now, Nah left them stay there for another 5 mins they might get cold then And get tired" Then he will say Attack! Then all you will see is around 40 RAF Fighter jets going around the area, And around 500 soilders, Then the RAF Will start firing at them. and some of them Retreat But get shot by soliders on the ground, Then The Irish commander reports to King. Cowen III "There all dead, They got slaughtered literally" Cowen says "Ahh sure we can use them to make some nice Beef for my dinner tonight"

TheZohan wrote: »

Still haven't worked out why and when you use the caps button eh?

Or the full stop.

Son Of A Vidic

RobitTV wrote: »

They just wouldnt stand a chance, The British prime minster Would be dancing around the corridors Feeling all superior, And saying to the other Minsters "Hmmm should i attack now, Nah left them stay there for another 5 mins they might get cold then And get tired" Then he will say Attack! Then all you will see is around 40 RAF Fighter jets going around the area, And around 500 soilders, Then the RAF Will start firing at them. and some of them Retreat But get shot by soliders on the ground, Then The Irish commander reports to King. Cowen III "There all dead, They got slaughtered literally" Cowen says "Ahh sure we can use them to make some nice Beef for my dinner tonight"

Were you of 'sound' mind when you wrote that?

Killer Pigeon

Ireland should have invaded the North and interned all the Loyalists in concentration camps and subsequently exterminated them all in gas chambers.

Mu ha ha ha ha!!

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Dravokivich

starbelgrade wrote: »

The South has invaded the North loads of times.

They usually come back with loads of cheap booze & electrical goods.

Don't forget the no questions asked Codeine... hmm....

Noreen1

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

You would think they would capture Derry too no?

I'm not sure capture would have been necessary.:D AFAIK, there were plenty of back roads that could have been put back in use fairly easily.

I remember a number of occasions, when visiting relatives, where my parents complained that "the old road was quicker, before they closed it".

I also remember having one of said roads pointed out to me.
The only security I could see was two soldiers, and a jeep......
Then again, I was pretty young at the time!

Berty

South Ireland???

Cork? Waterford, Kerry? Invading the North, no wonder we'd lose. :rolleyes:

Surely you mean the Republic of Ireland?

kenco

As posted earlier in the plan was not a full invasion but to open up paths for fleeing Nationalists.

There are some very good books out there on this matter. The documentary wasnt bad but was very much made for TV and could not cover all the ground. The end result in the doc was the most likely one however, i.e. UK military attacks on any forces invading on a temp basis or not.

The gamble for the Irish government would have been to play the refugee card and hope the US got involved or the UK backed down (both of which were very unlikely to happen)

Poccington

The documentary was a sham.

The plan itself is AFAIK available in the Public Records Office.

sensibleken

Thats not how you invade somewhere. You just put some coats near the border and move them north inch by inch when the brits aren't looking. Before you know it we have the causeway, bord fáilte are carving a gift shop into it and charging 20 quid in the car park

The Sparrow

I remember watching this at the time it was broadcast on RTE. It was a terrible documentary. A complete waste of time.

A good idea for a doc but executed horribly. Camera all over the gaff and extreme closeups of Keelinn Shanley for no bloody reason. And nobody wants that.

Shame because it was an interesting idea but they made it almost unwatchable.

Biggins

Biggins wrote: »

I'll try harder the next time!

Wait. So your government job is that you're a bus driver?

Ah c'mon now!

Nodin

RobitTV wrote: »

Just saw (............)what do you think of it?

You may be the first person to contract an STD by attention-whoring at the rate you're going.

KeithAFC

Good it never happened. Would of just been another lose for the Republic against Ulster men.

Poccington

KeithAFC wrote: »

Good it never happened. Would of just been another lose for the Republic against Ulster men.

A loss against who? The B Specials? Or the unarmed RUC?

davrho

Poccington wrote: »

The documentary was a sham.

The plan itself is AFAIK available in the Public Records Office.

Exactly. There was no invasion plan. Usual hysteria driven tv program that eejits buy into.

KeithAFC

Poccington wrote: »

A loss against who? The B Specials? Or the unarmed RUC?

Against the glorious 13 :cool:

sensibleken

KeithAFC wrote: »

Against the glorious 13 :cool:

Earth wind and fire?

pablomakaveli

This OP is always starting threads about war invasions etc.

I imagine him as a crazy old guy sitting in a rocking chair with a shotgun across his lap, who shouts at passerbys that WW3 is going to kick off soon.

pablomakaveli

KeithAFC wrote: »

Good it never happened. Would of just been another lose for the Republic against Ulster men.

I don't think we ever lost to them a first time.

TeddyTedson

We need to border so we can buy flat tv's.

ART6

Berty wrote: »

South Ireland???

Cork? Waterford, Kerry? Invading the North, no wonder we'd lose. :rolleyes:

Surely you mean the Republic of Ireland?

Hey! Waterford? Did anyone ask us? It would have been no bother for the Viking city. Just shows how undervalued we are.:p

Nolanger

RobitTV wrote: »

and what do you think of it?

I thought it was rubbish but sure some probably like it. Used to live in Rathgar back in the '90s and saw an old man most afternoons walking along a side street with a Garda.

Wolfe Tone

KeithAFC wrote: »

Good it never happened. Would of just been another lose for the Republic against Ulster men.

But near half of "Ulster men" would be on the republics side would they not?