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Question about losing weight.

  • 28-12-2010 11:56pm
    #1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 148 ✭✭


    Hi, apologies in advance if I am posting in the wrong forum.

    I just have a question. I will be starting in the gym this coming week as I am looking to loose weight. Right now I am borderline obese and I hate it.

    What way would people recommend in actually getting a proper slim physique.
    I am aware that a lot of cardio would be involved(having just given up the smokes after the past 6 years will make that fun). What would be the best ways of working out? Short bursts of cardio and a hard intense session. Also how many times a week would you advise for someone who is completely unfit. What would also be the best foods to eat.

    I am not to crazy about the powder shakes etc... as I dont want to become a muscle king, I just want to be slim. Is there any plans that people would like to share.

    Thanks for your time.


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  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 7,396 Mod ✭✭✭✭**Timbuk2**


    Have you had a look at the sticky at the top of this forum? It's quite useful! Also, I'd say forget about any shakes or anything - they shouldn't be necessary / helpful.

    Best of luck with it! I'm sure a lot of us will be joining you after Christmas :P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,533 ✭✭✭Daniel S


    Get up in the mornings and go for a walk, or run if you could manage it. I get up at 07:00 each morning for a run and its almost like a different world when you're out running, sky looks amazing most days and its really peaceful. ;)

    As for food, its the same as everyone will tell you, cut back on sweets and fizzy drink. Forget about the shakes and that stuff, people have been fit for thousands of years without that stuff. For loosing weight, short burst will do little compared to trying for long distance. If you have a bike, use it. It basically all about getting up of your arse, moving more and eating less rubbish.

    Look at almost any endurance athlete, they're all lanky f**kers :D


    EDIT: I can't see the advantage in using the gym to loose weight, thats all muscle building equipment and treadmill/crosstrainers. You'd be better off running/cycling in the fresh air. As for building a bit of muscle, give push ups a go or chin ups. TK Maxx have a pull up/chin up bar for a tenner and its great!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 148 ✭✭AndywK


    Thanks folks, keep the advice coming. Appreciate it


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 148 ✭✭AndywK


    Actually that sticky is great. Sorry mods for not seeing it


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,853 ✭✭✭ragg


    Ok, im not one to pimp products on here, but i bought this book a few years ago. I lost over 4 stone following it and about 9 inches off my waist in about 6 months.

    http://neilmct.com/neilmct-diet-plan.php

    Neil hasn't reinvented the wheel with this book but it's an easy to follow plan and there is a support forum that rarely decends into the usual pointless internet arguments.

    Best of luck


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,090 ✭✭✭BengaLover


    Have you had a look at the sticky at the top of this forum? It's quite useful! Also, I'd say forget about any shakes or anything - they shouldn't be necessary / helpful.

    Best of luck with it! I'm sure a lot of us will be joining you after Christmas :P


    I did the Celebrity Slim diet and lost 3 stone, at a rate of approx 1-2 lb a week, which is the recommended rate, dropped from size 16 to size 12 and found the shakes LOVELY, and filling too.
    Its a whey based protein shake, so limits your calories and carbs whilst giving you all the protein and nutrients.
    I like shake diets cos they get your stomach capacity used to having less, they are handy, and having one proper solid food meal makes you look forward more to your allowed evening meal.
    CS is a tad expensive but the SlimFast shakes are gorgeous too, you could even just substitute your breakfast and have it once a day.

    But if you dont want to go down the shakes road, I would do the following:

    Switch from full fat milk to skimmed
    Switch from butter to low fat spread
    Consider ditching the bread and pasta if you can, if not, limit it drastically
    Swap sugar for sweetener
    Make up snack boxes of fruit salads or veg salads
    If you find a low fat meal that you like, make a few and freeze them in portion sizes, if you have a meal to hand when you need one you're less likely to snack on the wrong thing.
    If you want to eat rice, eat brown rice.
    Lots of water!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,991 ✭✭✭metamorphosis


    Celeb slim is not a proper whey based shake at all - whoever told you that twisted your arm i'm afriad. And the vits and mins added are for the most part, unabsorbale to the body. Id advise to not go down this route. Now a proper decent whey shake is a good option as a meal replacement. This is a gimmick. Stick to wholefoods - proteins and fats in abundane like meat, oily fish, cottage cheese, nuts and seeds, evoo, coconut oil, throw in complex carbs and make sure you get in some veg: the greener the better, some fruit and you're good to go. Ifm you feel the need, take a multivit but with a balanced diet it shouldnt be needed. It's a good insurance option though. Taking fish oil is always recommended as is Vit D3 as it acts asa hormone in the body and is not found in large amounts in foods.

    Here's the nutrirional breakdown of Celeb slim - is something with all those ingredients really that healthy?

    Main Ingredients Shakes (all flavours):
    Skim Milk Powder, Fructose, Calcium Caseinate, Whey Protein Concentrate, Vegetable Oils, Glucose Syrup Solids, Soya Protein Isolate, Maltodextrin, Flavours [Wheat Derived], Minerals (Dairy Calcium, Magnesium Oxide, Ferric Pyrophosphate, Zinc Sulphate, Manganese Sulphate, Copper Sulphate, Potassium Iodide, Sodium Molybdate, Chromium Chloride, Sodium Selenite), Inulin, Thickener (E412), Emulsifiers (E471, E472c, E322), Vitamins (A, Thiamin, Riboflavin, B6, B12, C, D, E, K, Folate, Niacin, Pantothenic Acid, Biotin), Green Tea Extract, Emulsifying Salts (E450, E339), Anti Caking Agent (E551), Maize Starch.
    Additional Ingredients for each flavour:
    Chocolate Flavour: Cocoa, Chocolate Flavours
    Strawberry Flavour: Strawberry Flavours, Colour (E162)
    Vanilla Flavour: Vanilla Flavours
    Caramel Flavour: Caramel Flavours, Colour (E150a)
    Café Latte Flavour: Cocoa, Cafe Latte Flavours, Colour (E150a)
    Banana Flavour: Banana Flavours, Colours (E102, E110)
    Main Ingredients Soups (all flavours):
    Skim Milk Powder, Maltodextrin, Vegetable Oils, Glucose Syrup Solids, Soy Protein Isolate, Calcium Caseinate, Whey Protein Concentrate, Flavours [Hydrolysed Vegetable Protein,Yeast Extract, Spices, Vegetable Powders, Vegetable Extract, Salt, Spice Extract, Herbs), Dietary Fibre (Fibersol-2™), Modified Maize Starch, Minerals (Dairy Calcium, Magnesium Oxide, Ferric Pyrophosphate, Zinc Sulphate, Manganese Sulphate, Copper Sulphate, Potassium Iodide, Sodium Molybdate, Chromium Chloride, Sodium Selenite), Parsley, Inulin, Thickeners (E415, E412), Gelling Agent (E508), Potato Starch, Black Pepper, Mineral Salts (E450, E339), Emulsifiers (E471, E472c), Vitamins (A, B1, B2, B6, B12, C, D, E, K, Folate, Niacin, Pantothenic Acid, Biotin), Anti Caking Agent (E551), Lecithin (E322), Maize Starch.

    Additional Ingredients for each flavour (soups):
    Rich Tomato Flavour: Tomato Powder, Tomato Flavours, Flavour Enhancers (E621, E627, E631), Food Acids (E330, E270, E363), Onion, Garlic, Celery, Basil, Chilli, Colours (E160d, E150d), Thickener (E414), Acidity Regulator (E296)
    Roast Chicken Flavour: Chicken Flavours, Onion, Garlic, Sugar, Animal Fat, Celery, Food Acids (E270, E334, E300), Flavour Enhancer (E621), Modified Starch (E1450), Colours (E102, E110)
    Garden Vegetable Flavour: Vegetable Powders (Tomato, Corn, Carrot, Onion, Chive, Pumpkin, Garlic, Celery, Leek), Vegetable Flavours, Flavour Enhancers (E621, E627, E631), Cumin, Food Acid (E262), Colour (160a)
    Country Beef Flavour: Beef Flavours, Vegetable Powders (Carrot, Onion, Tomato, Corn, Garlic, Chive, Celery), Flavour Enhancers (E627, E631), Food Acids (E270, E363), Sugar, Dextrose, Thickener (E414), Colours (E160a, E150a)
    Mulligatawny Flavour: Curry Flavours, Vegetable Powders (Carrot, Onion, Tomato, Pumpkin, Corn, Garlic, Celery), Dextrose, Food Acids (E270, E363), Flavour Enhancers (E627, E631), Thickener (E414), Colours (E160a, E150a)

    Allergy Advice: Contains ingredients made from Milk, Soy, Wheat and Celery. May contain traces of Eggs or Nuts. Suitable for vegetarians (except Roast Chicken Flavour Soup).
    Typical Nutritional Information for Chocolate Flavour Shake

    Serving Size: 55g
    - Average Quantity Per 55g Serving Average Quantity Per 100g Energy 881 kJ (211kCal) 1602 kJ (383kCal) Protein 18.7g 34g Fat, total 2.5g 4.5g - Saturated 1.3g 2.4g - Polyunsaturated 0.2g 0.36g - Monounsaturated 0.82g 1.5g Carbohydrate, total 27g 49.1g - Sugars 24.8g 45.1g Dietary Fibre, total 1.2g 2.2g Sodium 211mg 384mg - - - Vitamin A 210μg 382μg Vitamin B1 0.33mg 0.6mg Vitamin B2 0.48mg 0.87mg Vitamin B6 0.45mg 0.82mg Vitamin B12 0.42μg 0.76μg Niacin 5.4mg 9.8mg Vitamin C 13.5mg 24.5mg Vitamin D 1.5μg 2.73μg Vitamin E 3mg 5.5mg Vitamin K 8.6μg 15.6μg Pantothenic Acid 0.9mg 1.64mg Folate 60μg 109μg Biotin 4.5μg 8.2μg - - - Calcium 400mg 727mg Potasium 500mg 909mg Phosphorus 360mg 655mg Manganese 0.3mg 0.55mg Chromium 9.7μg 17.6μg Copper 0.33mg 0.6mg Molybdenum 12.1μg 22μg Magnesium 81mg 147mg Iron 4.8mg 8.7mg Zinc 3.1mg 5.6mg Selenium 16.5μg 30μg Iodine 39μg 71μg


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,832 ✭✭✭✭Blatter


    BengaLover wrote: »
    I did the Celebrity Slim diet and lost 3 stone, at a rate of approx 1-2 lb a week, which is the recommended rate, dropped from size 16 to size 12 and found the shakes LOVELY, and filling too.
    Its a whey based protein shake, so limits your calories and carbs whilst giving you all the protein and nutrients.
    I like shake diets cos they get your stomach capacity used to having less, they are handy, and having one proper solid food meal makes you look forward more to your allowed evening meal.
    CS is a tad expensive but the SlimFast shakes are gorgeous too, you could even just substitute your breakfast and have it once a day.

    But if you dont want to go down the shakes road, I would do the following:

    Switch from full fat milk to skimmed
    Switch from butter to low fat spread
    Consider ditching the bread and pasta if you can, if not, limit it drastically
    Swap sugar for sweetener
    Make up snack boxes of fruit salads or veg salads
    If you find a low fat meal that you like, make a few and freeze them in portion sizes, if you have a meal to hand when you need one you're less likely to snack on the wrong thing.
    If you want to eat rice, eat brown rice.
    Lots of water!

    You did Celebrity Slim? Really? Would be shocked if you kept all the weight off. Please don't mention it around here, I hate fad diet advice.

    Some of your other points are OK but switching butter for low fat spread?:confused::confused:

    Find ''low fat'' meals?:confused::confused:

    Smacks of fad diet advice tbh.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,090 ✭✭✭BengaLover


    You did Celebrity Slim? Really? Would be shocked if you kept all the weight off. Please don't mention it around here, I hate fad diet advice.

    Some of your other points are OK but switching butter for low fat spread?:confused::confused:

    Find ''low fat'' meals?:confused::confused:

    Smacks of fad diet advice tbh.

    I will mention whatever I like, the OP asked for tips, I gave mine - she doesnt have to take it on board, but this is a public forum.
    CS is not a fad diet, its pretty scientific, and YES I kept it off, now on the maintenance plan, and eating low carb high protein meals.
    You have a problem with switching from butter to Flora? Do you have any idea how bad butter is for you - granted low fat spreads are too, and if you can stomach it then olive oil is the way to go.

    as per the above post that says CS is unhealthy, you can check them out yourself:
    http://www.celebrityslim.co.uk/
    CS isnt for everyone, but it worked for me.
    Same as weight watchers or any other diet plan.
    I love my food, and the CS didnt make me feel like I was starved all the time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,485 ✭✭✭✭Khannie


    BengaLover wrote: »
    Do you have any idea how bad butter is for you

    Any reading I've done indicates that butter's actually grand.

    Now I'm not saying that reducing your total calorie intake by reducing fat consumption wont work for fat loss. It sure will.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,485 ✭✭✭✭Khannie


    OP: You need not worry about becoming a muscle king. That requires more effort than you can possibly imagine. My advice to you would be this:

    Try to remove what you know to be rubbish from your diet. Fizzy drinks. Chocolate bars. Yada yada. Avoid getting calories from drinks where possible. When you're dieting it's nicer to eat calories than drink them. Try to reduce the amount of white stuff you eat (sugar, bread, spuds, rice, pasta) and replace it with fruit and (more importantly) veg.

    You don't need to do shed loads of cardio to get the body you want. Some is fine, especially starting out. Mostly I would say do what you think you're going to enjoy and keep doing. Start off easy and build yourself up. It's no fun being sore for a week.

    The stickies are super useful. Glad you found them.

    Good luck with it. Start today.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,090 ✭✭✭BengaLover


    Look at people in mediterranean countries though..
    Studies have shown they are less inclined to obesity, have healthier hearts, and they put it down to using olive oil in their diets so much, even putting it on bread or toast instead of other spreads.
    Low fat spreads do cut down on your fat intake, but granted,they are pretty bad in other ways.
    Cant imagine not having real butter on toast, so gave up toast rather than put anything else on it, so the benefits of not having the butter AND the starch/sugar from the toast was two fold.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,090 ✭✭✭BengaLover


    Cant beleive im sharing this but please avert your eyes if you are easily offended lol..:)

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    Lost about 1-2lb a week and recorded results.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,090 ✭✭✭BengaLover


    Wasnt sucking myself in either, honest!:rolleyes::rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,485 ✭✭✭✭Khannie


    That's good work. Congrats. :)


  • Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 140 ✭✭nizo888


    AndywK wrote: »
    Hi, apologies in advance if I am posting in the wrong forum.

    I just have a question. I will be starting in the gym this coming week as I am looking to loose weight. Right now I am borderline obese and I hate it.

    What way would people recommend in actually getting a proper slim physique.
    I am aware that a lot of cardio would be involved(having just given up the smokes after the past 6 years will make that fun). What would be the best ways of working out? Short bursts of cardio and a hard intense session. Also how many times a week would you advise for someone who is completely unfit. What would also be the best foods to eat.

    I am not to crazy about the powder shakes etc... as I dont want to become a muscle king, I just want to be slim. Is there any plans that people would like to share.

    Thanks for your time.

    This guy has some good programs that include cardio and lifting weights. http://www.youtube.com/user/scooby1961
    He is not selling anything. He practices what he preaches. I think his website is a fantastic resource. I am not connected to it in any way either! I am following his work out plans and they do work! There is no secret. Just stick to the plan and make some sacrifices around nutrition. That doesn't mean diet, it just means eating properly.

    best of luck!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,484 ✭✭✭username123


    Successfully dropped a stone over 3 months earlier in the year by doing the following:

    Kept breakfast to banana or brown toast with scrape of jam and cup of bovril - had been getting sucked into sausage rolls etc in work canteen.

    Kept lunch to brown bread sandwich with either tuna/ham/chicken and tomato - had been getting sucked into chips, crisps, other unhealthy choices in work canteen.

    Afternoon snack - an apple.

    Swapped the contents of my main meal from meat + spuds + veg to meat + salad (added small amount of cous cous or brown rice to salad). Most of my dinners worked out well in salad format - chicken kiev with salad, steak with salad, chicken fillet with salad etc... In the event of a dinner that didnt lend itself well to salad transformation I used a smaller plate or bowl (spag bol best example of this), and only ate half of what I used to eat.

    Snacks - instead of a biscuit I had a dry Ryvita. Instead of crisps I had air popped popcorn. Instead of chocolate I had a piece of fruit.

    Thats all I did. I 'allowed' myself 1 'normal' dinner a week - usually the sunday roast. I also allowed one take away a month.

    I also cut sugar out of tea, and swapped a lot of cups of tea for either a bovril or a hot water.

    The best part was I wasnt hungry as I was getting plenty of food. The bad side was I became bored with the amount of salads I was eating - but found it difficult to feel 'full' if I didnt consume a lot of salad. I should have kept going because I could have done with dropping more than a stone in the first place.

    After I shed the stone I stayed mostly eating clean but over the past 3 months I have slowly regained a few pounds, I have a terrible habit of too many carbs in the winter - so am set to go again.

    I exercise 4 or 5 times a week for an hour each time but was already doing this beforehand so dont think there was any impact from it as Im used to exercising - I just have a very healthy appetite!!

    Im currently almost 2 stone heavier than Id like to be.

    One thing I find helps me when I try to drop a few pounds is pre-empting hunger pangs. Eat something healthy before you start to be starving. A banana before lunch for example, for me this means I dont go to town on lunch because I arrive at the canteen partially satisfied. Whereas if you try to starve yourself you end up ravenous and eat everything in sight (well I do anyway!).

    Best of luck OP - Although its weight you want to lose, I would strongly recommend you introduce some kind of exercise as a permanent feature in your life anyway, exercise makes you feel good!!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,832 ✭✭✭✭Blatter


    Well done but if you keep the weight off long term you'll be apart of a very small minority.

    The butter debate has been done to death here and in the nutrition forum.
    To my recollection, every single respected poster on here said that butter is fine and would pick it ahead of low fat spreads every time.

    I'm sorry but I'll have to disagree with you when you say CS is not a fad diet. I class any diet that limits what you eat drastically/advocates you to eat processed products(particularly their own)/promotes "low fat" foods to be a fad diet because the philosophy is wrong, it's unhealthy and it's unsustainable.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,368 ✭✭✭cc87


    Well done but if you keep the weight off long term you'll be apart of a very small minority.

    The butter debate has been done to death here and in the nutrition forum.
    To my recollection, every single respected poster on here said that butter is fine and would pick it ahead of low fat spreads every time.

    I'm sorry but I'll have to disagree with you when you say CS is not a fad diet. I class any diet that limits what you eat drastically/advocates you to eat processed products(particularly their own)/promotes "low fat" foods to be a fad diet because the philosophy is wrong, it's unhealthy and it's unsustainable.

    Like the Velocity Diet?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,693 ✭✭✭tHE vAGGABOND


    Try to remove what you know to be rubbish from your diet. Fizzy drinks. Chocolate bars. Yada yada. Avoid getting calories from drinks where possible. When you're dieting it's nicer to eat calories than drink them. Try to reduce the amount of white stuff you eat (sugar, bread, spuds, rice, pasta) and replace it with fruit and (more importantly) veg.

    You don't need to do shed loads of cardio to get the body you want. Some is fine, especially starting out. Mostly I would say do what you think you're going to enjoy and keep doing. Start off easy and build yourself up. It's no fun being sore for a week.
    I have lost 5 stone in the second half of the year by doing this, with support from a weight loss club [PM me for name and URL if you want, I have been smacked down more than once for name dropping here!].

    Now I have been on a few nutritional supplements and stuff at the same time as I work mad hours and cant always be home to eat properly [morning or evening]. So holding your hand up and saying your life does not exist in the perfect box where you can cook/prepare 3 full meals a day is important. Be realistic.

    I started going to gym and doing all kinds of stuff - but I did couch to 5k and found I love running outside as I got into it [and got better at it], and Im now an addict [where others in the weight loss club have gotten into all kinds of things from Yoga and Salsa Dancing all way to long distance road cycling - basically do whatever you want, which you enjoy, which gets your heart beating and makes you sweat a bit!]


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,090 ✭✭✭BengaLover


    I found also that keeping a food diary contributed to the overall success.
    When you write down what you eat, you become more aware of what you foods you are choosing.
    Basically any diet whether it be CS, SlimFast, or WeightWatchers all boil down to the simple fact that restricting calorie intake equals fat loss.
    This can happen at different rates for different people, and because one diet worked for one person doesnt mean it will work the same way for another.
    The most sensible advice is always to research any diet before trying it, and be sensible in food choices.
    There are so many foods with 'empty' calories, so its always better to weigh up quality rather than quantity..
    I am a very impulsive impatient person with not very much self control and binge when down or angry, so for me, the 'ritual' side of the CS diet was important - the ritual of making the shake, timing the drinking of it, and the taking and choosing of the snack, the careful recording of the water intake and the evening meal etc and recording each weeks weigh in online, all that became part and parcel of the whole diet to me.. funny huh, maybe i am an odd person..
    There are also diet websites online that give you good diets and healthy eating plans and you can record your food diary and progress there too, so they could be beneficial.

    ooh, and the lifestyle channel has salsa/cardio/bellydancing workouts i just discovered!
    Im not one for excercise by any means either..:o


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,541 ✭✭✭Davei141


    BengaLover wrote: »
    I found also that keeping a food diary contributed to the overall success.
    When you write down what you eat, you become more aware of what you foods you are choosing.
    Basically any diet whether it be CS, SlimFast, or WeightWatchers all boil down to the simple fact that restricting calorie intake equals fat loss.
    This can happen at different rates for different people, and because one diet worked for one person doesnt mean it will work the same way for another.
    The most sensible advice is always to research any diet before trying it, and be sensible in food choices.
    There are so many foods with 'empty' calories, so its always better to weigh up quality rather than quantity..
    I am a very impulsive impatient person with not very much self control and binge when down or angry, so for me, the 'ritual' side of the CS diet was important - the ritual of making the shake, timing the drinking of it, and the taking and choosing of the snack, the careful recording of the water intake and the evening meal etc and recording each weeks weigh in online, all that became part and parcel of the whole diet to me.. funny huh, maybe i am an odd person..
    There are also diet websites online that give you good diets and healthy eating plans and you can record your food diary and progress there too, so they could be beneficial.

    ooh, and the lifestyle channel has salsa/cardio/bellydancing workouts i just discovered!
    Im not one for excercise by any means either..:o

    I know you mean well and would like to share whats given you success, (which deserves a big congrats btw) But i think with having the OP being basically a blank canvas people would like to get him knowing his nutrition straight away. A lot of the time stuff like CS/WW serves as a way of warping peoples view of food which can take a lot to undo ie fat is evil, choosing low cal processed stuff over healthy but more calorific meals etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,991 ✭✭✭metamorphosis


    +1 to Khannies advice big time.

    BTW, butter is far far more nutritious than low fat spreads. Not from a calorie pov but from a better for you body pov. Low fat spreads are laced with veg oil which is inflammatory for the body.

    Butter is a great source of Vitamin k2 and has vit d which act in sync and is a good source of selenium. And if you have to add vitamins to a foodstuff to make it nutririous, its not nutririous to begin with imho

    Not to go all pedantic, but i will, Bengalover, you said you kept it off? You started a thread on CS very recently in the nutrition and diet forum saying you fell off the wagon. Now, all i am saying is that the best way forward is to get more active and eat wholefoods. That way you will keep it off. And this is from someone who has lost close to 6 stone and kept it off - so i like to think i know a little of what i post about here

    And yes - the Mediterranean diet is healthy like Bengalover said, and guess what? They eat butter too - and a fair bit of it too ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,537 ✭✭✭The Davestator


    People in the med have a different lifestyle to us. Chinese people are very healthy and skinny and they eat Chinese food every day!

    Op- listen to the regular posters cos there is some really stupid advice on this thread.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 131 ✭✭Joncol


    You'd be absolutely astonished what simple exercise and healthy eating can do in just 2 weeks.


    Ive put on nearly 2 stone over the xmas period, I dont mind because it was well worth it, had a brilliant time.

    Will get back to healthy eating/living in the new year and actually enjoy getting fit again, but I wont rush back into it.

    Start off slow and build your way up.

    If you even started walking 2 or 3 miles everyday for the month of January youd be amazed the difference it makes, obviously stick to healthy eating, not starvation, but plenty healthy food


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44 tinkerspony


    There are thousands of diet books and quick fixes on the market. Most are useless, some will provide short term gains. You can loose 10 lbs by dehydrating yourself over a weekend. But you ll put it back on again.
    Here is some of the best advice i was ever given in relation to slimming/loosing weight and keeping it off: Eat 5 to 6 meals a day! Here is the story.. we only need 1800 to 2400 calories a day so divide that by the 6 meals, max 400 calories per meal. Eat a good source of protein at each meal e.g chicken, tuna, eggs. Make sure you dont eat 2 hours before bed. when you get up eat first meal. Best food for breakfast is eggs. They will kick start your metabolism. dont eat much carbohydrates after 5 in the evening(bread, pasta,potatoes).Drink lots of water, your body is primarily made up of water and you need it to flush out your system. There is another trick which you must use if you want to succeed in loosing and keeping off weight. You must be in a calorie deficit for 3 days to loose weight, and on day four you can eat more than needed, this tricks your body into thinking it is no longer starving and increases your metabolism again. on day five back to calorie deficit. If you think you dont have to count calories then you have no idea what you are doing, and you will fail. Ok you might say you only eat 1000 calories a day and you are still putting on weight, the reason is your body kicks into starvation mode and stores all your food as fat! If you eat every 3 hours your body will not go into starvation mode. Of course you must exercise also in order to loose weight, diet is one part only. The best way to burn fat is by using your largest muscles when you exercise. that is your leg muscles. Running,cycling,rowing machine are the 3 best fat burning exercises, but you must maintain a steady pace for at least 45 mins a session, otherwise it is useless. To recap, eat 6 meals a day, eat every 3 hours, eat a good source of protein at each meal, drink lots of water, exercise for 45 mins using your largest leg muscles. Dont eat carbs after 5 pm, dont eat 2 hours before bed, get minimum 8 hours sleep,eat eggs they will increase your metabolism. You can cheat once a week with any meal you want, but no more than 400 calories! Eat less for 3 days and day 4 increase calories slightly then less for next 3. There is no easy way to diet but if you try this method for 1 month, it will work for you. Good luck. ( I am not a nutrition expert,a doctor or fitness guru, but the above method works for me and anyone who ever tried it) I am currently at 5% body fat (from 19%) in 3 months. I lost 12 lbs of fat, but gained 10 lbs of muscle. I lost 3 inches off my waist. I am never hungry. I dont eat rubbish food. Give it a try, take a fools advice! Its Free!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,991 ✭✭✭metamorphosis


    While I see where you are coming from - they is so so much wrong in your post above.

    OP - id ssy at this stage a good start would be to follow advice from the stickies and the regulars.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    My little brother lost 7 stone over the course of a year. He was about 16 stone and is now down to 9. He isn't very tall, so it was way too heavy on him. He completely changed his lifestyle - Walked everywhere instead of driving, ate non-processed foods, drank lots of green tea instead of fizzy drinks.

    I lost about 3 stone myself. I think the key is to understand that it isn't a decision you make one day, but a decision you make everyday.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 319 ✭✭Ki ki


    Hi,

    It's my first time using boards so I won't be offended if you don't take my advice too seriously :p

    There's a lot a of good info on this thread, a lot of not so good too (imo)...

    Firstly, congrats for deciding to join a gym, and giving up smoking! You'll start to feel the benefits really soon into your program.

    If your goal is weight loss, yes you will have to do cardio. Make sure to include resistance work too though. Resistance work makes the muscles grow. Muscle consumes the greatest amount of energy so working with weights will help spike your metabolism and can keep burning calories for up to 48hrs after a workout.

    As a beginner you should be aiming to go to the gym 4-6 times per week. At least 3 of these days should include resistance work. Start off by doing full body days and then progress to a split program. Using body resistance and machine weights will help to improve technique and to avoid injury. Move to free weights as soon as you feel ready.

    When doing resistance work, start with the major muscles first, the legs, by doing squats, lunges, leg press etc. Then move on to the smaller groups, back, chest, shoulders, arms.

    Then (if you're not too knackered) try to squeeze in some cardio. Try to do 20mins minimum directly after your resistance work. Running is the best exercise for fat burning but any of the other machines are great too. Interval training is very good but if you're only starting it might be best to stay at a steady pace and increasing time or intensity as you get fitter. Even walking will burn fat if you increase your heart rate enough!

    If you're managing the 3 days resistance/cardio per week, try also to do a few cardio only days.

    If you get bored with a program or need more motivation, try a class. Body pump, circuits, boot camp, boxercise etc. are all great resistance/cardio sessions.

    When it comes to food, be sensible. Keep your meals balanced. Avoid high sugar high fat snacks munching instead on fruit, veg or nuts.

    Try to eat approx 5 times a day (3 meals and 2 substantial snacks). Always eat breakfast as this will kick start your metabolism. Porridge, eggs on wholewheat etc. provide slow burning energy release to get you through the morning.

    For main meals, don't be afraid of carbs, just know which ones are better for you. Try wholewheat/brown pasta/bread and rice (though basmati is good too) instead of the white variety. Bake your potato instead of mashing. Even better, try sweet potatoes!

    Red meat and chicken are a great source of protein but try to include some oily fish too (salmon, mackerel).

    Boiled or steamed veg are a great source of vitamins, minerals and fibre and there are also very filling while being relatively low in calories.

    Oh! And drink water! At least 1.5litres a day, more if you're working out.

    And don't deprive yourself of treats, everything is good for you, in moderation ;)

    Good luck and have fun :)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,693 ✭✭✭tHE vAGGABOND


    Oh! And drink water! At least 1.5litres a day, more if you're working out.

    And don't deprive yourself of treats, everything is good for you, in moderation
    Two *very* important points there which lots of people miss or trip up on...

    You need to drink loads of water, loads and loads of it. The figure I was told was 30ml of water for every kg of body weight [assuming your an active person] - work that out for you, folks are always amazed :) get yourself one of those vita water filter jugs and put it in the fridge.

    Second, when I started I was having a nervous breakdown about "cheating" or going out for a few pints. Thats very wrong for lots of reasons, as most of the success for people loosing weight starts in your head, so you cant be worrying about stuff like that.

    So its very important to relax. I know lots of people allow themselves a cheat meal once a week [dont make that meal 3 large pizza's with the works- but have what you like]. I also allow myself drink once a week, but cut back and changed to drinking coors light, its a small change, but it all counts. So I go to Thursday pints with the lads, and we drink a lot! Happy days. [Now that means some times I may go out twice in a week, but just dont drink one of those times, and other weeks there is nothing on, so I dont drink at all - but I stick pretty strongly to the once a week thing]. Beer is empty calories, but all work and no play....

    Also, on the couple of days after drinking or cheat meal I tend to work a bit harder in gym or run a bit longer - to work it off, but its no drama. I want to be healthy long term, Im not trying to loose x amount of weight by next week.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 708 ✭✭✭Timothy Bryce


    On the water thing - I drink shedloads in the gym....sometimes up to 3/4 litres. Without being coarse I end up being up half the night hitting the toilet every half hour. My only option is to work out in the evening...is there something I'm doing wrong!?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 319 ✭✭Ki ki


    Is that 3/4litres or 3-4litres?!? 3-4 is obviously a lot!

    One way to judge is to weigh yourself before and after your workout. If you weigh less you should drink approx 500ml of water per pound lost. If you weigh more unfortunately this is from drinking too much water (rather than instant muscle!).

    The other way is to look at your pee (niiiiiice). It should be a hay/golden colour rather than transparent.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 708 ✭✭✭Timothy Bryce


    Ki ki wrote: »
    Is that 3/4litres or 3-4litres?!? 3-4 is obviously a lot!

    One way to judge is to weigh yourself before and after your workout. If you weigh less you should drink approx 500ml of water per pound lost. If you weigh more unfortunately this is from drinking too much water (rather than instant muscle!).

    The other way is to look at your pee (niiiiiice). It should be a hay/golden colour rather than transparent.

    Usually weight a couple of kgs more post workout. I find when squatting/DL I horse in to the water. Must learn to cut back so!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44 tinkerspony


    ULstudent wrote: »
    While I see where you are coming from - they is so so much wrong in your post above.

    OP - id ssy at this stage a good start would be to follow advice from the stickies and the regulars.
    Well I did say I was no expert but clearly you are. I suppose you got rid of your encyclopedia collection because you know feckin everything! Ask yourself why you were 6 stone heavier in the first place, if you knew so much you should have known that was pretty stupid. Time for you to write "the ultimate guide to everything".


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