Are Chelsea and Roman Abramovich/Carlo Ancelotti/John Terry done?

bamboozling

Another comprehensive loss tonight in what has been a truly wretched run of form.

Is Roman Abramovich and his lack of investment killing the club?

Is this the end of Chelsea Football Club as we know it?

Is Carlo going to leave the club immediately?

Is John Terry an over rated donkey whose inability to show leadership in this hour of need has let the club down?

Will this enable him and his money grabbing family get their desired move to Manchester City?

Are said people and Chelsea done?

Pauleta

John Terry played well tonight

karma_

I doubt very much if Mancini would want John Terry at City.

smuckers

We will be back but its a sorry estate of affairs at the mo.

Either this will happen.

1. Carlo will be the tin tac.

2. Carlo will walk

3. RA will open the wallet again but that is not the problem.

The problem is the players and the managers tactics. Lamps and Terry's reaction at the end said it all, they are seriously pissed off.

syngindub

bamboozling wrote: »

Are said people and Chelsea done?

what does this mean?

Wolfe Tone

Personally I think they are so done they will spontaneously combust tomorrow.

Jimmy Iovine

syngindub wrote: »

what does this mean?

Are the people mentioned above and Chelsea done?

bamboozling

syngindub wrote: »

what does this mean?

said–adjective
named or mentioned before; aforesaid; aforementioned: said witness; said sum.

Are 'said' (Abramovich, Carlo, Terry) people done done?

Simples.

scudzilla

Chelsea are just a medium sized club with money, pure and simple.

Look what happened to Blackburn when they had Walkers millions, didn't last too long.

I can see Roman pulling out before long, the guy aint stupid

jesus_thats_gre

No.

I find this whole thing to be quite interesting to be honest. You have to wonder what effect Wilkins leaving or Ambramovich intefering can possibly have when it comes to how the team perform on the pitch.

Something has resulted in them going from playing top class football and being extremely strong to them completely falling apart. I would love to know what is actually happening.

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

Hate these stupid threads..
Terry's playing as well as ever, Ancelloti wont get the sack on account of his pedigree in the CL, and thats what Roman wants the most, and as for Abramovich being finished, wut??
Restart this thread in May please.

jesus_thats_gre

scudzilla wrote: »

I can see Roman pulling out before long, the guy aint stupid

What makes you reach that conclusion?

steelcityblues

Depends if Abramovich still is serious enough about doing what he can to achieve that elusive Champions League.

Maybe winning the league no longer means that much for him, as the Blues have now won it three times under their strange owner.

If he leaves, I wonder will they do a Leeds or still be a major force?

syngindub

i wonder has anything happened at all. Are they not just meeting their match? why does there always have to be some excuse in the background.

KeithAFC

syngindub wrote: »

i wonder has anything happened at all. Are they not just meeting their match? why does there always have to be some excuse in the background.

Arsenal took a break standards wise after 2005, new ground etc. The club is slowly getting back to where it was. Trouble for Chelsea.

enfant terrible

Amazing looking at the difference between Arsenal's and Chelsea's bench.

* 53 Szczesny,
* 18 Squillaci,
* 02 Diaby,
* 07 Rosicky,
* 23 Arshavin,
* 29 Chamakh,
* 52 Bendtner

* 22 Turnbull,
* 17 Bosingwa,
* 38 Van Aanholt,
* 43 Bruma,
* 07 Ramires,
* 46 McEachran,
* 44 Kakuta


When you consider the money Abramovich has spent over the last decade and the little Wenger has spent.

Wenger's done a great job building up his squad's strength.

sonic85

its just a bad run of form. they were beaten by a better team tonight but they will find their feet eventually. ancelotti should either stand up for himself or go though. the rumours doing the rounds indicate that the manager is being totally undermined and nothing good can come from an owner interfering in team affairs

syngindub

i wouldn't go getting carried away with Arsenal's squad just yet. it's fair enough to suggest that wenger has done a great job with the little budget available to him but i still remember that game against utd a few weeks ago. There are still some weaknesses in the squad. Would Arsenal have won this game 3-1 if they went 1 nil behind? there is defo a spine missing in the squad and the ability to fight when things are going against you is a quality i think they lack

JPA

Chelsea need more creativity, more spark and more youthful enthusiasm.

DH2K9

Abramovich has one aim this season and that is the Champions League. Everything else to him is irrelevant. So long as Chelsea keep progressing in the Champions League, Roman will be a happy man. However I do thing Chelsea need to bolster the squad a bit because they only had a couple of players out tonight and yet they had a very weak bench. Imagine Lampard gets injured again.

SantryRed

Chelsea will tonk Bolton next game.

syngindub

DH2K9 wrote: »

Abramovich has one aim this season and that is the Champions League. Everything else to him is irrelevant. So long as Chelsea keep progressing in the Champions League, Roman will be a happy man. However I do thing Chelsea need to bolster the squad a bit because they only had a couple of players out tonight and yet they had a very weak bench. Imagine Lampard gets injured again.

Abro's been aiming for this target for years. not going to happen pal..barca will walk the CL this year as long as messi and co. remain available.

ntlbell

abramo, sign him up, bramo bramo sign him up

michael999999

It will be interesting to see how many of the new chelsea fans from the last 3 or 4 years jump ship with Abramovich!

michael999999

ntlbell wrote: »

abramo, sign him up, bramo bramo sign him up

They must have been nuts to let him go!!

syngindub

where's abamo off to?

michael999999

syngindub wrote: »

where's abamo off to?

Hes gone looking for a team that can win him the champs league!

enfant terrible

syngindub wrote: »

i wouldn't go getting carried away with Arsenal's squad just yet. it's fair enough to suggest that wenger has done a great job with the little budget available to him but i still remember that game against utd a few weeks ago. There are still some weaknesses in the squad. Would Arsenal have won this game 3-1 if they went 1 nil behind? there is defo a spine missing in the squad and the ability to fight when things are going against you is a quality i think they lack

Not getting carried away just think its great he's put together a title challenging team while making a profit in the transfer market most seasons.

Most managers run up huge dept putting mediocre squads together.

The Muppet

sonic85 wrote: »

its just a bad run of form. they were beaten by a better team tonight but they will find their feet eventually. ancelotti should either stand up for himself or go though. the rumours doing the rounds indicate that the manager is being totally undermined and nothing good can come from an owner interfering in team affairs

I don't think it is just a bad run of form. When you look at the chelsea squad there is no doubt it is a lot weaker than it has been in previous years. They lost Cole Deco Ballack and Carvalho last summer and didin't really replace them, Players of that quality would be missed by any team.

sonic85

The Muppet wrote: »

I don't think it is just a bad run of form. When you look at the chelsea squad there is no doubt it is a lot weaker than it has been in previous years. They lost Cole Deco Ballack and Carvalho last summer and didin't really replace them, Players of that quality would be missed by any team.

the squad isnt as strong sure but the players you mentioned werent massive losses in my opinion.

they lost cole but gained benayoun whos as good if not better, deco never really did the business for chelsea anyway and was little more than a bit part player, ballack was decent but age was starting to catch up with him and carvalho left but alex stepped up and filled that void.

its more being unlucky due to injuries but even with all their injuries recently they shouldve been good enough to win most of the games they lost

Mr.Nice Guy

This season reminds me of Chelsea under Scolari 2 years ago when it seemed to start promising but went pear-shaped fairly sharpish. Scolari made it to February before Roman lost patience so if Ancelotti doesn't turn this around soon he could well be given his marching orders.

As for those saying Abramovich doesn't care about the league but just the CL, Scolari got Chelsea through to the last 16 and was sacked before the match had taken place so I think Abramovich does care about the league title and if Chelsea are far enough out of the picture I think he will act. He seems to be someone who goes with his gut instinct. Mourinho had won a Champions League with Porto and Grant had gotten Chelsea to the CL final so I think the theory that he is only obsessed with the CL is a media-driven tale. He wants to win as much as possible.

DH2K9

The fact is that Chelsea haven't score 2 goals in a match since October. A dip in form is 3-4 games. This is defiantly a crisis.

The Muppet

sonic85 wrote: »

the squad isnt as strong sure but the players you mentioned werent massive losses in my opinion.

they lost cole but gained benayoun whos as good if not better, deco never really did the business for chelsea anyway and was little more than a bit part player, ballack was decent but age was starting to catch up with him and carvalho left but alex stepped up and filled that void.

its more being unlucky due to injuries but even with all their injuries recently they shouldve been good enough to win most of the games they lost

Theres more to it than them being unlucky, The dept of quality in the squad is not there as it once was. United were very unlucky with injuries last season but still pushed Chelsea all the way.

syngindub

look, they have little problems compared to majority of teams in the league. they have their own thread and should be grateful for that.

Pro. F

Weak and all as Chelsea's squad is they are still hugely under performing just now. It must be all the Abramovich interfering and Wilkins dismissal having an effect. That's the only thing that makes sense to me.

dreamers75

bamboozling wrote: »

Is Roman Abramovich and his lack of investment killing the club?

A club should spend what it earns, chelsea dont make enough money to spend.

bamboozling wrote: »

Is this the end of Chelsea Football Club as we know it?

You mean a **** team from london, no they are just revisiting their past.

bamboozling wrote: »

Is Carlo going to leave the club immediately?

reckon he be pushed for Romans next new mate.

bamboozling wrote: »

Is John Terry an over rated donkey whose inability to show leadership in this hour of need has let the club down?

Only english people rate him, i think hes brutal and very easily beaten in one one situations. having Carvalho beside him helped and having a DMF right in front of him to ensure hes not isosalet works very well too. The 2 CBs are being exposed atm and its not just him.

bamboozling wrote: »

Will this enable him and his money grabbing family get their desired move to Manchester City?

See above hes not that great and City prolly have better than him atm.

sonic85

The Muppet wrote: »

Theres more to it than them being unlucky, The dept of quality in the squad is not there as it once was. United were very unlucky with injuries last season but still pushed Chelsea all the way.

i know the quality in the squad isnt as good as it has been in seasons gone by but that doesnt take away from the fact that chelseas first team at full strength are class and would be capable of beating almost anybody.

form is temporary class is permanent and sooner or later chelsea will come good.

Mr. Guappa

The Muppet wrote: »

Theres more to it than them being unlucky, The dept of quality in the squad is not there as it once was. United were very unlucky with injuries last season but still pushed Chelsea all the way.

Exactly.. they haven't really added good young players to the squad in recent seasons. Their key players (Lampard, Terry, Drogba) are all pushing on in years and the likes of Ramires and Sturridge are not able to fill the void when needed. The form of Essien must be a major disappointment, if he was in full flight they would look a different team.

everdead.ie

I wouldn't be surprised to see him sacked in the next couple of weeks which would be criminal in my opinion but with Abromovich I can definetly see it happening

sonic85

bit unfair on lampard dont ya think? the game tonight was his first start since august or something. im an arsenal man but i dont think chelsea are "finished" or any of that rubbish. they do have to get their house in order and abramovich has to keep his nose out of team affairs but their team is more than good enough to bounce back

LuckyLloyd

bamboozling wrote: »

Is Roman Abramovich and his lack of investment killing the club?

Killing the club?

Do you know anything about Chelsea Football Club's history and how this period under Abramovich ranks in terms of relative competitive relevance? When Chelsea's current league position and run of form is such a disappointment, it is sure evidence that Abramovich has achieved an awful lot with the club since he acquired it.

bamboozling wrote: »

Is this the end of Chelsea Football Club as we know it?

This is not Chelsea Football Club as we know it. It hasn't been in years. If it all ended tomorrow (Abramovich gone / player exodus), it might return to Chelsea Football Club as we know it.

Nevertheless, in an effort to address the question you are incapable of wording correctly: NO. This team is still stuffed with quality, still in the Champions League, and still has plenty of time to get this season back on track.

bamboozling wrote: »

Is Carlo going to leave the club immediately?

Maybe. Though that may not be a bad thing in this case (dependant on replacement obviously) as per the remarkable turnaround engendered by managerial change during the 2007/8 and 2008/9 seasons.

bamboozling wrote: »

Is John Terry an over rated donkey whose inability to show leadership in this hour of need has let the club down?

Eh, lol. :rolleyes:

Terry played well tonight. The problem with the current run is not Terry. There are far too many players unable to perform to the best of their ability / remain available for selection at present who are not named John Terry or Didier Drogba.

bamboozling wrote: »

Will this enable him and his money grabbing family get their desired move to Manchester City?

Not deserving of a response obviously.

bamboozling wrote: »

Are said people and Chelsea done?

There is a possibility that Lampard, Essien and Anelka are done (or will be done sooner rather than later) in respect of being elite World Class type performers whether it be due to age / injury. Ancelotti may be back on the job market soon, but he is hardly "done".

Chelsea and Abramovich should not be considered "done" as of yet though. They won a title last year, they have the possibility of success remaining this year. And they still have a bunch of good players in their squad locked up to medium / long term deals.

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However, bamboozling is done. He just got added to my ignore list, never to be heard from again:

sonic85

everdead.ie wrote: »

I wouldn't be surprised to see him sacked in the next couple of weeks which would be criminal in my opinion but with Abromovich I can definetly see it happening

hed be much better off going if hes being undermined at every opportunity. he could be a very good manager for chelsea if he was allowed run the team his own way

everdead.ie

I have to say Ramires so far has been a huge disappointment although I'm sure no one expected him to play as much as he has since he got to the club.

LuckyLloyd

everdead.ie wrote: »

I have to say Ramires so far has been a huge disappointment although I'm sure no one expected him to play as much as he has since he got to the club.

Indeed. I felt it was a very good signing given his performances for Benfica and Brazil during the course of last season. He clearly hasn't settled. He is only 23 though, and obviously has quality, so it would be a bit early to write him off (which I realise you aren't doing with the above post! ).

sonic85

everdead.ie wrote: »

I have to say Ramires so far has been a huge disappointment although I'm sure no one expected him to play as much as he has since he got to the club.

i seen him play a few times before he got to chelsea - with benfica and brazil and i thought he was very overrated. hes got bags of energy but not much else. i will say though he had a stormer against us at stamford bridge earlier in the season

everdead.ie

Just posted this in chelsea thread and thought I should mention it here on RA not spending big anymore:

He can't spend big anymore because the club can't keep loosing money or they won't be allowed into the champions league that's why they can't buy big and that's why they got rid of so many big earners like deco carvalho Ballack and Cole wipped about 400,000 a week off the wage bill that's over twenty million a year!

Worth mentioning the year 08/09 they lost £47m
In 09/10 they are estimated to of lost £40m but they haven't released official results so it is unknown if this is accurate.

bamboozling

I think Wilkins has also been a huge loss it must be said.

dahat

bamboozling wrote: »

I think Wilkins has also been a huge loss it must be said.

carlo looked lost at times last night...........he cut a lonley figure on the sideline.

nullzero

I personally think that Chelsea may well have started believing their own hype at the start of the season.
They got a piss easy first 5 games and when they faced City in their first proper test they lost.
All the high fiving each other at half time business is not professional, be that with regard to your own concentration or in terms of respect to the opposition.

One thing that struck me about Chelsea's start to the season was that teams were really poor against them.
Think back to the wigan game (6-0) Chelsea cruised that game with no resistance from Wigan whatsoever. Some of the defending from Wigan was comical at best, there was literally no resistance for Chelsea to deal with.

Wilkins leaving obviously has had a huge affect on the morale at the club, it came at a time when the teams Chelsea were facing started to make an effort against them, so not only was the air of invincibility gone but so too was Ray Wilkins.

I don't think this should be a slump that continues for much longer as while Chelsea's long term future might not currently be very clear, their current squad is one of the strongest in world football and is bound to bounce back at some point in this season.

I think not having to face United last week was a god send for Chelsea, and by the time that game is played they could very well be back to their best and pushing for the title again.

Essentially I think Chelsea got too cocky and took their eye off the ball after their blistering start. Wilkins leaving has created uncertainty but they will come good eventually and if they finish this season as strongly as last season they could easily win the legaue and by some margin, but they're going to to have to work hard for it.

Essien

nullzero wrote: »

I personally think that Chelsea may well have started believing their own hype at the start of the season.
They got a piss easy first 5 games and when they faced City in their first proper test they lost.

I don't completely agree with this, 19 scored and 1 conceded in your first 5 games is impressive no matter who you're playing.

nullzero wrote: »

Essentially I think Chelsea got too cocky and took their eye off the ball after their blistering start. Wilkins leaving has created uncertainty but they will come good eventually and if they finish this season as strongly as last season they could easily win the legaue and by some margin, but they're going to to have to work hard for it.

I agree with this, confidence is one thing but arrogance is another and it lead to complacency. Had the players kept their feet on the ground, losing away to City wouldn't have been such a big deal to them and there would have been no "air of invincibility" bubble to burst.

nullzero

Essien wrote: »

I don't completely agree with this, 19 scored and 1 conceded in your first 5 games is impressive no matter who you're playing.



I agree with this, confidence is one thing but arrogance is another and it lead to complacency. Had the players kept their feet on the ground, losing away to City wouldn't have been such a big deal to them and there would have been no "air of invincibility" bubble to burst.

Chelsea could only beat what was in front of them, so yes 19 scored 1 conceeded was indeed impressive, however while they were great in that period in is also true that the quality of opposition wasn't up to scratch either. So it was one part good performances from chelsea and another part terrible performances from their opposition as opposed to a relentless steam rollering of top sides from an all conquering super power.

The arrogance they displayed was the first sign of a problem at Chelsea.
While they were cruising they felt they'd never be tested in the league and complacency got them eventually.

I don't think it's beyond Chelsea to win the league and possibly even humiliate some of their rivals in head to head games as they are a top side. I would however be worried if I was a Chelsea fan about where the next crop of players is coming from.
All top sides have to deal with these problems, who is going to take the mantle from players like Terry, Lampard and Drogba?
In a year or two we might be wondering how it was ever a worry but right now it's not so clear, however winning the league this season would certainly steady the ship enough to attract those players in.