HSE Poll for/against cannabis legalisation

Elevator

this is the start of it now

if ya have a minute click the link and cast your vote on what could very well bring about a change in our ridiculous ban on the blessed herb

peace

http://www.drugs.ie/news/article/hse_launches_drugs_awareness_campaign

(poll along the right hand side)

red menace

Elevator wrote: »

this is the start of it now

if ya have a minute click the link and cast your vote on what could very well bring about a change in our ridiculous ban on the blessed herb

peace

http://www.drugs.ie/news/article/hse_launches_drugs_awareness_campaign

(poll along the right hand side)

Its good to see referendums being replaced by online polls, much better idea

ilovesleep

Yes yes yes yes

will it be for medical or recreational use or both

ilovesleep

red menace wrote: »

Its good to see referendums being replaced by online polls, much better idea

I agree. Its great to get more young people voting and less older people voting.

FreudianSlippers

So sick of the ignorant old people in this country voting.

I'm sick of dumb people voting too... old and dumb are too easily swayed by hype.

Elevator

so...

out of 1,500 votes the poll is currently 78% for the legalisation of cannabis

if you havent already cast your vote, why not?

GhostInTheRuins

Because it's not going to make a blind bit of difference maybe?

Elevator

GhostInTheRuins wrote: »

Because it's not going to make a blind bit of difference maybe?

that's where you're wrong mate, the eu came out in the past2 weeks telling member states they're free to change their stance on all the currently illegal drugs and to take their slice of the €50bn industry.

we'll see cannabis legalised here very soon!!

it only takes a second to click the link and vote, yes, no or i don't know

Sea Sharp

Elevator wrote: »

that's where you're wrong mate, the eu came out in the past2 weeks telling member states they're free to change their stance on all the currently illegal drugs and to take their slice of the €50bn industry.

we'll see cannabis legalised here very soon!!

No we won't. What will happen is that some other European country will realise the economic benefits and legalise it before everybody else. They'll get a load of income from tourism, within three years several other countries will jump on the band wagon, but it will be too late as if weed is legal all over Europe then there is no incentive to come to Ireland for weed.

flash1080

I hope the HSE will have a poll for/against street fighting legalisation.

Elevator

flash1080 wrote: »

I hope the HSE will have a poll for/against street fighting legalisation.

what the fcuk has that got to do with this thread?

and @ sea sharp ; do you think the gangs are making nothing here at present and are instead keeping their investments long term just incase some deviant tourism takes off in Ireland??

bottom line is the cannabis industry alone here is worth untold millions but it all goes straight underground with no benefit to anyone other than criminals!!

we would straight away have a massive cash injection to the state when they legalise it and that's not relying on one drug tourist either!!

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Sea Sharp wrote: »

No we won't. What will happen is that some other European country will realise the economic benefits and legalise it before everybody else. They'll get a load of income from tourism, within three years several other countries will jump on the band wagon, but it will be too late as if weed is legal all over Europe then there is no incentive to come to Ireland for weed.

Like holland?

It's not just to target tourism...

Think about it. Take the money out of the drug dealers pockets and put it in the economy. It's not that difficult like...

flash1080

If cannabis was legalised then the well established dealers could take control of the legitimate cannabis business and use it as a front for their illegal business activities, using for example "coffee shops" to launder money from the illegal side of their business. Or they could funnel money from the legitimate business into their pockets and avoid paying tax on it. The second way is arguably better because it means more €€€€€ for the dealers.

Jesus Wept

OisinT wrote: »

So sick of the ignorant old people in this country voting.

I'm sick of dumb people voting too... old and dumb are too easily swayed by hype.

Maybe your vote should be porportional based on how long the remainder of your life expectancy is. :pac:

Elevator

flash1080 wrote: »

If cannabis was legalised then the well established dealers could take control of the legitimate cannabis business and use it as a front for their illegal business activities, using for example "coffee shops" to launder money from the illegal side of their business. Or they could funnel money from the legitimate business into their pockets and avoid paying tax on it. The second way is arguably better because it means more €€€€€ for the dealers.

so we do nothing and leave the profits and deathcounts to the dealers so

even though there are many many people crying out for medicinal cannabis here in this country!!

jimmycrackcorm

Elevator wrote: »

so we do nothing and leave the profits and deathcounts to the dealers so!

So who should take the deathcount?

Saila

Elevator wrote: »

so we do nothing and leave the profits and deathcounts to the dealers so

Im sure you will find the answer in one of the other 9 threads on the legalise cannabis beating the horse to death though.

Bi6N

The pros have and always will outweigh the cons, any intelligent mind will see that.
Its about time this injustice came to an end.

tommyhaas

I never liked hippies or students so I voted no

tommyhaas

tommyhaas wrote: »

I never liked hippies or students so I voted no

So you're saying that you hate the peaceful and the educated?

Amhran Nua

Sea Sharp wrote: »

What will happen is that some other European country will realise the economic benefits and legalise it before everybody else. They'll get a load of income from tourism

We don't want drug tourism. The Dutch have taken steps to curtail drug tourism, because they don't want it either.

flash1080 wrote: »

If cannabis was legalised then the well established dealers could take control of the legitimate cannabis business and use it as a front for their illegal business activities, using for example "coffee shops" to launder money from the illegal side of their business. Or they could funnel money from the legitimate business into their pockets and avoid paying tax on it. The second way is arguably better because it means more €€€€€ for the dealers.

That's not how it works, after prohibition ended in the US, the powerful gangs that had arisen to supply alcohol basically vanished.

The start and the end of it is this: soft drugs are widely available anyway, and they form a staple income for violent criminal gangs, as well as lending these dregs a robin-hood like veneer. Preventative measures have failed, and put millions of euros annually into the hands of career criminals, who have been terrorising our streets and the young people of the country, leading to an ongoing vicious circle of violent crime.

By legalising soft drugs, you remove much of the income from these gangs, free up Garda time and prison resources, and take a big step towards dealing with widespread antisocial behaviour.

I'm not in favour of drug use, and I'm not in favour of any government peddling drugs; I think all taxes from the sales of substances like Marijuana should be put directly into a public education campaign to keep people off them. In this case however, its the lesser of two evils by far.

What you need to do is keep the following in mind:

• We can't become the Bolivia of Europe, our neighbours will be less than impressed if unlicensed growers start shipping the stuff out to nearby countries.
• We don't want drug tourists.
• We don't want a half job done like in Amsterdam, if sections of the law are not enforced by wink and nod they only serve to bring the whole body of the law into disrepute.
• We don't want harder drugs legalised, although we equally don't want the victims of these drugs criminalised, instead clinical treatment programmes need to be enhanced. The sale and supply of these substances should be subject to a full zero tolerance policy.

If legislation is put forward shaped around these goals, I think the benefits will be immediate and measurable.

tommyhaas

Deleted User wrote: »

So you're saying that you hate the peaceful and the educated?

Wouldnt say hate, just dislike. And its nothing to do with the educated, Iv no problem with graduates

Its just the whole mayday/g8 protesting types really

flash1080

Amhran Nua wrote: »

We don't want drug tourism. The Dutch have taken steps to curtail drug tourism, because they don't want it either.


That's not how it works, after prohibition ended in the US, the powerful gangs that had arisen to supply alcohol basically vanished.

The start and the end of it is this: soft drugs are widely available anyway, and they form a staple income for violent criminal gangs, as well as lending these dregs a robin-hood like veneer. Preventative measures have failed, and put millions of euros annually into the hands of career criminals, who have been terrorising our streets and the young people of the country, leading to an ongoing vicious circle of violent crime.

By legalising soft drugs, you remove much of the income from these gangs, free up Garda time and prison resources, and take a big step towards dealing with widespread antisocial behaviour.

I'm not in favour of drug use, and I'm not in favour of any government peddling drugs; I think all taxes from the sales of substances like Marijuana should be put directly into a public education campaign to keep people off them. In this case however, its the lesser of two evils by far.

What you need to do is keep the following in mind:

• We can't become the Bolivia of Europe, our neighbours will be less than impressed if unlicensed growers start shipping the stuff out to nearby countries.
• We don't want drug tourists.
• We don't want a half job done like in Amsterdam, if sections of the law are not enforced by wink and nod they only serve to bring the whole body of the law into disrepute.
• We don't want harder drugs legalised, although we equally don't want the victims of these drugs criminalised, instead clinical treatment programmes need to be enhanced. The sale and supply of these substances should be subject to a full zero tolerance policy.

If legislation is put forward shaped around these goals, I think the benefits will be immediate and measurable.

Drug tourism is one of the arguments put forward in support of legalisation. Why would you prohibit tourists from using drugs, one law for them, one for us? Will you stop them from drinking alcohol and smoking tobacco too?

The gangs won't just disappear, they'll find another way of making money, maybe focus more on hard drugs. If someone had significant control over cannabis supply in Ireland and it was legalised, while profits would be slightly affected due to taxes, why would they let someone else muscle in on it and make the profits?

"Victims of drugs" is complete bull. They're not victims, they chose to do drugs. Why shouldn't they be criminalised if they show no regard for the law? If someone breaks other laws they are criminalised.

Coriolanus

flash1080 wrote: »

The gangs won't just disappear, they'll find another way of making money, maybe focus more on hard drugs. If someone had significant control over cannabis supply in Ireland and it was legalised, while profits would be slightly affected due to taxes, why would they let someone else muscle in on it and make the profits?

Because it could be quite easily legislated for. If it were to be legalised the State could mount a monopoly on it's import, and since it would effectively be buying the national supply it could quite easily price the illegals out of the market.

Wertz

That poll is pointless window dressing.
I've seen polls like this on fan sites for some TV show or whatever asking do you think character X should not have been killed off or whatever (tick Yes , No or Don't Know radio buttons)....regardless of what way the fans vote in that case, character X will remain dead (or whatever) since it's at the behest of the writers, not the fans.

Does anyone honestly think that the opinion of the couple of thousand people who visit a site called drugs.ie will be in any way taken in to account by those who hold any legislative power?

When I see a proper opinion poll on a matter like this and it's results carried across the media, then I'll believe that there might be some movement in the bowels of government toward a re-think on policy...unfortunately this isn't it.

Amhrain Nua wrote:

We don't want drug tourists.

But we're perferctly happy to keep people coming here on the back of the good old Irish stereotype of binge drinking till the wee hours and puking in the street on your stag do, fiddly di fiddly dee.
I don't know if you've noticed but the country's broke...any tourist is a desirable one, if they're going to come here and spend money. "Drug" tourists still need to fly, still need to eat, to stay in hotels, to buy stuff, use taxis: all that good sh*t that keeps money flowing.
Beggars can't be choosers.

I like your use of the word "We" too....you don't speak for me or anyone else so please don't claim to...

flash1080

Nevore wrote: »

Because it could be quite easily legislated for. If it were to be legalised the State could mount a monopoly on it's import, and since it would effectively be buying the national supply it could quite easily price the illegals out of the market.

So the government would be the sole supplier of drugs?

Pete M.

The fact that it illegal anywhere is just daft.

Simples.

Wertz

flash1080 wrote: »

So the government would be the sole supplier of drugs?

F*ck I hope not...imagine the queues outside the Dáil

tommyhaas

Nevore wrote: »

Because it could be quite easily legislated for. If it were to be legalised the State could mount a monopoly on it's import, and since it would effectively be buying the national supply it could quite easily price the illegals out of the market.

I reckon Gillegan etc run a more efficient operation then the State, and could probably supply it cheaper then the numerous public bodies that would no doubt be involved

Coriolanus

flash1080 wrote: »

So the government would be the sole supplier of drugs?

Yeah, I figure if we're going to legalise it we might as well do it properly. The Govt would then resell onto businesses etc. Probably never actually be in Govt hands at all, it'd be on paper though.

Coriolanus

tommyhaas wrote: »

I reckon Gillegan etc run a more efficient operation then the State, and could probably supply it cheaper then the numerous public bodies that would no doubt be involved

I doubt it. Consider the markup an eighth of hash. It literally grows out of the fúcking ground!

tommyhaas

Nevore wrote: »

I doubt it. Consider the markup an eighth of hash. It literally grows out of the fúcking ground!

Yea but consider the cost of all the public committees involved in the process

I have no idea about the cost of hash these days, but I just have zero faith in any public body running an efficient operation

Wertz

tommyhaas wrote: »

I reckon Gillegan etc run a more efficient operation then the State, and could probably supply it cheaper then the numerous public bodies that would no doubt be involved

Gilligan flooded this country with the lowest grade Morrocan crap he could lay his paws on, bought in bulk for even more of a discount.
Why would we import cannabis when it's as easy to grow it in the country?
It'd be like buying bottled water when you've a spring in the back garden...

Bi6N

Any dealers I know would stop selling the instant it was made legal.
They only do it so that it doesn't cost a morgage, staying in smoke each month.

The big time dealers need all the little average joes to make money, average joes are the majority of the drug workforce.
If there is no money in it, because anyone over 18 with an ID card can get high quality bud for much less then current street prices.(not to mention its safe, unsprayed aswell as cutting out the need to get involved with someone who may sell much harder drugs).
Then that means business is over for these crooks, I'l let you into a secrect.
Cannabis at small amounts is the hardest drugs to make money off, due to its insane cost(Unless you grow it yourself). Goodbye avergae joe work force... goodbye massive criminal profit.

It will take a while to grind to a halt but not as long as some people would think!

Amhran Nua

flash1080 wrote: »

Drug tourism is one of the arguments put forward in support of legalisation. Why would you prohibit tourists from using drugs, one law for them, one for us? Will you stop them from drinking alcohol and smoking tobacco too?

Learn from the mistakes of others.

Dutch 'to ban' drug tourism
Foreigners heading to Amsterdam's famous marijuana cafés will soon will be banned from buying cannabis in a bid to end drug tourism to the Netherlands.

flash1080 wrote: »

The gangs won't just disappear, they'll find another way of making money, maybe focus more on hard drugs. If someone had significant control over cannabis supply in Ireland and it was legalised, while profits would be slightly affected due to taxes, why would they let someone else muscle in on it and make the profits?

How exactly do you propose they would stop it? You think they'll slug it out with the Defence Forces or something? They won't disappear but their power will be severely curtailed, which is unquestionably a good thing.

flash1080 wrote: »

"Victims of drugs" is complete bull. They're not victims, they chose to do drugs. Why shouldn't they be criminalised if they show no regard for the law? If someone breaks other laws they are criminalised.

The focus when dealing with the problems caused by drugs must primarily be first on prevention through education, then a cure. The reasons that people might take highly addictive drugs are many and varied, its a lot more complicated than wilful lawbreaking. The only people I'd take a hard line against would be suppliers of hard drugs, it would bother me not at all if people like that never again saw the light of day.

Wertz wrote: »

I don't know if you've noticed but the country's broke...any tourist is a desirable one, if they're going to come here and spend money. "Drug" tourists still need to fly, still need to eat, to stay in hotels, to buy stuff, use taxis: all that good sh*t that keeps money flowing.
Beggars can't be choosers.

The Dutch are trying to ban drug tourism right now, because they cause more problems than they are worth, so maybe your economic benefits aren't all they cracked up to be.

Wertz wrote: »

I like your use of the word "We" too....you don't speak for me or anyone else so please don't claim to...

These are the best ways as far as I can see for the country, we, as a whole to move forward, in my opinion. If you've a problem with the specific points raised, I'll be happy to discuss them with you. If you've a problem with the diction, that's your lookout.

Caoimhín

flash1080 wrote: »

If cannabis was legalised then the well established dealers could take control of the legitimate cannabis business and use it as a front for their illegal business activities, using for example "coffee shops" to launder money from the illegal side of their business. Or they could funnel money from the legitimate business into their pockets and avoid paying tax on it. The second way is arguably better because it means more €€€€€ for the dealers.

Using that line of reasoning, if heroin was legalised, dealers would open pharmacy businesses to sell it.

The only issue I have with cannabis being legalised is that the Irish people dont seem to have the maturity to deal with things like drink and drugs. In my opinion, it would only lead to people smoking it too much and making themselves ill.

Having lived in Holland, i found the Dutch to be some of the most conservative and sober people in Europe.

mikom

flash1080 wrote: »

If cannabis was legalised then the well established dealers could take control of the legitimate cannabis business and use it as a front for their illegal business activities, using for example "coffee shops" to launder money from the illegal side of their business. Or they could funnel money from the legitimate business into their pockets and avoid paying tax on it. The second way is arguably better because it means more €€€€€ for the dealers.

What's stopping them using a regular coffee shop as a front at present.
They don't need a legitimate cannabis business to launder money, so I don't know where you are getting that.

Nevore wrote: »

I doubt it. Consider the markup an eighth of hash. It literally grows out of the fúcking ground!

Uninformed opinion is uninformed

Bi6N

Amhran Nua wrote: »

Learn from the mistakes of others.



How exactly do you propose they would stop it? You think they'll slug it out with the Defence Forces or something? They won't disappear but their power will be severely curtailed, which is unquestionably a good thing.


The focus when dealing with the problems caused by drugs must primarily be first on prevention through education, then a cure. The reasons that people might take highly addictive drugs are many and varied, its a lot more complicated than wilful lawbreaking. The only people I'd take a hard line against would be suppliers of hard drugs, it would bother me not at all if people like that never again saw the light of day.


The Dutch are trying to ban drug tourism right now, because they cause more problems than they are worth, so maybe your economic benefits aren't all they cracked up to be.


These are the best ways as far as I can see for the country, we, as a whole to move forward, in my opinion. If you've a problem with the specific points raised, I'll be happy to discuss them with you. If you've a problem with the diction, that's your lookout.

http://www.nrc.nl/international/article2246821.ece/Netherlands_to_close_prisons_for_lack_of_criminals

AntiMatter

Nevore wrote: »

I doubt it. Consider the markup an eighth of hash. It literally grows out of the fúcking ground!

After the farmer is paid for growing and processing the product, it then has to be smuggled from the mountains to the coast, where the Coast Guard, Army, or Customs have to be paid off, then there is the cost of getting it across to Spain, with, usually, some of the Spanish authorities having to be paid, then it has to be transported from Spain to it's final destination.

Factor in potential losses from captures by non-corrupt authorities, plus bad debts, and suddenly the markup is not so attractive as first it seems.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

tommyhaas wrote: »

Wouldnt say hate, just dislike. And its nothing to do with the educated, Iv no problem with graduates

Its just the whole mayday/g8 protesting types really

Yea, because every student protests... :rolleyes: The protesters at the G8 summit are actually every student and hippy in the world, imagine that... :rolleyes:

Caoimhín wrote: »

Using that line of reasoning, if heroin was legalised, dealers would open pharmacy businesses to sell it.

The only issue I have with cannabis being legalised is that the Irish people dont seem to have the maturity to deal with things like drink and drugs. In my opinion, it would only lead to people smoking it too much and making themselves ill.

Having lived in Holland, i found the Dutch to be some of the most conservative and sober people in Europe.

Generalise much?

Your opinions are contrary to the facts.

Caoimhín

John Gorgeous Plane wrote: »

Generalise much?

Your opinions are contrary to the facts.

Well the Irish relationship with alcohol would suggest a certain immaturity when it comes to mood altering substances.

Amhran Nua

Caoimhín wrote: »

Well the Irish relationship with alcohol would suggest a certain immaturity when it comes to mood altering substances.

Not so much.

McCoy wrote in The Irish Times that that spending on alcohol is recorded differently across the EU in contrast to Ireland. When comparisons of alcohol consumption are made, distinction is normally made between spending on alcohol in pubs on the one hand and in off-licences on the other. In most European countries only spending in off-licences is attributed to the category "alcohol" in national statistics, whereas money spent in pubs and restaurants is included in categories such as "recreation" or "entertainment".


The Irish numbers, in contrast, include spending in off-licences and pub sales combined. A recent Drinks Industry Group of Ireland report estimated that 70 per cent of alcohol in Ireland is bought in pubs and restaurants. This is a substantially higher proportion than our European counterparts, largely due to the greater propensity for Irish people to drink in pubs and restaurants rather than at home. The inclusion of both categories therefore greatly inflates alcohol expenditure levels in Ireland in comparison with other EU countries. While there is a continuing trend towards more off-licence sales in Ireland, it is the classification distinction that significantly explains the exaggerated comparisons of Irish alcohol expenditure with other countries.


In the context of a comprehensive measurement of alcohol spending, it could be argued that the Irish proportion of expenditure on alcohol is not overestimated; rather other countries' expenditure ratios are underestimated. The recent national accounts from the Central Statistics Office show that expenditure on alcohol in Ireland is 8.6 per cent of total personal expenditure, which has declined from 10.8 per cent in the mid-1990s. The recent EU-funded report claims that Ireland spends three times more than any other country on alcohol. However, using directly comparable data, a far different story is told.


Between 1995 and 2004, households in Ireland spent an average of 2.6 per cent of their personal expenditure on alcoholic beverages - when measured as off-licence consumption. In Greece the proportion is smaller, at 0.9 per cent, but certainly not 10 times smaller as widely reported. Ireland was surpassed by Finland, Luxembourg and the Czech Republic, which had averages of 3.8 per cent, 3 per cent and 5.2 per cent respectively. When on-licence trade is factored back in, Ireland would emerge towards the top of the expenditure league, but by no means anywhere near the exaggerated multiples normally reported.


Expenditure figures are a combination of the actual quantity of alcohol consumed and its price. The fact that taxes on alcohol are higher in Ireland than in most EU member states inflates the expenditure levels without necessarily implying greater consumption levels. Per-capita alcohol consumption levels in Ireland are high by international standards, but not disproportionately so. The trend over the last decade was for actual alcohol consumed to rise as income levels increased significantly, but at the same time the proportion of expenditure on alcohol declined. A number of factors led to the increase in alcohol consumed, particularly the huge growth in the numbers of people in the 18-25 age group and increased inward migration of adults.

mahamageehad

Highly disappointed!!

I read the title as HSE poll for/against cannabalism!!! :P :eek:

Wolf Club

Most people seem to looking at this issue from a economics based point of view: "think of the money it would generate", etc. While this is certainly valid, I think ending prohibition is more important in terms of the freedom of an individual. If an adult wishes to partake in a relatively harmless act that doesn't really have bad consequences on society, then it is wrong of the government to stop them. Of course, the brain-dead "just say no" shít that is being spoonfed to us will have it's influence on the majority that are willing to accept it, so I think education on the subject is very important if prohibition is going to change.

Wertz

Amhran Nua wrote: »

Learn from the mistakes of others.





The Dutch are trying to ban drug tourism right now, because they cause more problems than they are worth, so maybe your economic benefits aren't all they cracked up to be.

As a frequent visitor I don't see the criminal problems that article claims (and as much as I like the Telegraph's journalism, I abhor some of their conservative agendas)...Drug tourism increases demand on local suppliers, who are breaking the law by growing/supplying cannabis and vistors from land-border countries who smuggle small amounts back over their own border. I don't see specfic rises in crime detaled in that article...I can only assume that drugs gangs shoot each other over there just like they do all over the planet.
I couldn't see it creating a rise in anti social behaviour or low level street crime and certainly not in violent acts...

Amhrain Nua wrote:

These are the best ways as far as I can see for the country, we, as a whole to move forward, in my opinion. If you've a problem with the specific points raised, I'll be happy to discuss them with you. If you've a problem with the diction, that's your lookout.

I took your "We" to mean that of your political party. That it's your own opinion still doesn't mean that it's the accepted one or that it's in any way more correct than mine or anyone elses. The problem we've had for too long here is the attitude of some of our "betters" thinking that their own collective opinions are the right ones.

The nation is happy to accept people coming over on the piss here for the weekend and only delighted to have punters over for the race meetings throughout the year...so if alcohol and gambling are worthy of tourism, why not cannabis?
Are drug tourists going to start robbing old ladies to feed their habit whilst they're here? Murdering each other in the street? Evade taxes?
I'm just not seeing a coherent reason as to why people coming here to do one or other things is perfectly fine but another group is some of danger to the nation or any more undesirable than the other groups.

Badgermonkey

Amhran Nua wrote: »

We don't want drug tourism. The Dutch have taken steps to curtail drug tourism, because they don't want it either.

When you say 'The Dutch', you are presumably speaking of the minority coaltion of the CDA, PVV and VVD and not the wider Dutch population, who have always seemed to me fairly apathetic on the issue of soft drug sales and consumption.

The steps taken to curtail drug tourism pertain to the peripheral border towns, where the volume of Belgian, German and even French 'day trippers' has a tangible impact on the ability of the townsfolk and traders to go about their business.

The public nuisance argument as it relates to Amsterdam, Utrecht, Den Haag and other major urban centres is utterly spurious.

Unfortunately, an ill judged immigration policy, which increasingly pandered to the model of multiculturalism over integration has led to the present unholy trinity of the centre right gaining power.

It would have been fascinating to follow the career of Pim Fortuyn and what impact he would have had on national politics, a far more impressive figure than Geert Wilders imho.

ragg

Elevator wrote: »

what the fcuk has that got to do with this thread?

See the way you just flew off the handle there? thats stage one, canabis enduced paranoia - next stop psycosis

Absurdum

everytime this thread is made, another RTE Liveline researcher is literally worked to death

AntiMatter

Absurdum wrote: »

everytime this thread is made, another RTE Liveline researcher is literally worked to death

Who said cannabis doesn't kill?

Absurdum

AntiMatter wrote: »

Who said cannabis doesn't kill?

howya joe de pushers hang around outside de skewels and give de childers de drugs for notin to get dem hoooooked and dey shoot dem wen dey cant pay de pushers dats how it starts joe dey start smokin de hash and den its the heroin de next week joe i waz reedin abourit in se sunday wuruld de oddur week joe yer man paul williams is always writin abourit

goat2

OisinT wrote: »

So sick of the ignorant old people in this country voting.

I'm sick of dumb people voting too... old and dumb are too easily swayed by hype.

i am not against cannabis and i would be in the catagory you would call old and ignorant