iPad now or wait for iPad 2?

darg

Seriously thinking about getting a refurb iPad from the apple store but can't make up my mind if I should hold out for the iPad2. What do ye think?

Blazer

darg wrote: »

Seriously thinking about getting a refurb iPad from the apple store but can't make up my mind if I should hold out for the iPad2. What do ye think?

New one will probably be announced in Feb/March...myself I'm holding out for the new one...or else pick up the gen1 cheaper..

RuggieBear

hoping for an gen 2 announcement in jan and then might look into getting one

Tom Dunne

Even if it is announced in January, it probably won't be available until May/June.

That's the problem with technology, there's always something better around the corner.

RuggieBear

Tom Dunne wrote: »

Even if it is announced in January, it probably won't be available until May/June.

That's the problem with technology, there's always something better around the corner.

and then the tablet optimised android is supposed to be released in march...so will have to see how it stacks up

jack presley

I'm going to wait for the Ipad 3 in 2012

Jimdagym

jack presley wrote: »

I'm going to wait for the Ipad 3 in 2012

You are crazy. The 4th gen will only be 12 months away at that stage.

banquo

I'm waiting for a hilariously bad Microsoft answer to some device Apple haven't released yet.

Shane732

Jimdagym wrote: »

You are crazy. The 4th gen will only be 12 months away at that stage.

But why buy the 4th gen, sure the 5th gen will only be 12 months away then!!!

Danbo!

Tom Dunne wrote: »

Even if it is announced in January, it probably won't be available until May/June.

That's the problem with technology, there's always something better around the corner.

Unlikey, apple are expecting to sell a lot more this time round. Likely to be announced late January, available in February. they're probably being manufactured now or very soon.

OP personally I'll be waiting for the second gen. Judging by the step up between the first and second iPhones it should have a decent level of improvement. Apple now know a lot more about who buys tablets thanks to the early adopters.

Quazzie

Danbo! wrote: »

Unlikey, apple are expecting to sell a lot more this time round. Likely to be announced late January, available in February. they're probably being manufactured now or very soon.

OP personally I'll be waiting for the second gen. Judging by the step up between the first and second iPhones it should have a decent level of improvement. Apple now know a lot more about who buys tablets thanks to the early adopters.

But surely if they go by the iPhone business model the 2nd release will be the same hardware but just a bit faster.

Oafley Jones

Tom Dunne wrote: »

Even if it is announced in January, it probably won't be available until May/June.

That's the problem with technology, there's always something better around the corner.

That's not going to happen. It'll go on sale very soon in the US after the announcement and probably a week or two later here.

Owen

Domo-kun wrote: »

But surely if they go by the iPhone business model the 2nd release will be the same hardware but just a bit faster.

iPad 2 at the very least will have a faster processor/more RAM, but it'll have Facetime too. Which for me is killer, I'll be buying a few straight away so my Mum can video chat with her grandkids in England. It was the only thing that stopped me buying iPad 1.

Creamy Goodness

it's a well known fact that the best time to buy any apple product is when a new one is just released, whether you go for the newer one, or the old generation.

buying an ipad now is retail suicide in my opinion.

whiterebel

Creamy Goodness wrote: »

it's a well known fact that the best time to buy any apple product is when a new one is just released, whether you go for the newer one, or the old generation.

buying an ipad now is retail suicide in my opinion.

Having worked in, and bought Apple for years, thats not correct. Best time is always the end of the product cycle alright, as any kinks will have been ironed out. Buying first revision product was a no-no.

opinion guy

Having spent the day playing with the ipad we got our folks for crimbo....i'll be waiting for ipad 2. Not that thgere is anything wrong with it - I jus tthink it will be better. PLus I'm waiting to see what android options show up.

Its too early in life cycle for the great products to be out yet imho

Creamy Goodness

well i meant solely from a price to bang for buck point of view. and not much else.

i bought a first gen iphone, i had no problems with it. i also had a first generation ipod again with no problems. sure there's always some problems with first gen apple products but they are always so minute that it shouldn't be enough to say never buy the first generation of anything apple.

if no one bought a first generation iphone, they wouldn't be the success they are today being honest.

BBMcQ

I asked for CompuB vouchers for Chrimbo cuz I know the iPad 2 will be a improvement on the 1st. It's not the same argument as "should I wait for iPhone 5" because the iPhone 4 brought out some technologies new to Apple products (FaceTime, Retina, iOS4) that will have to be implemented into the next iPad (no retina but still higher res).

The new iPad will be announched in Jan, available within weeks in the US and probably March worldwide. Maybe the key factor is: if you own a iPhone 4 you should wait for a iPad 2.

opinion guy

stuartmchugh wrote: »

The new iPad will be announched in Jan, available within weeks in the US and probably March worldwide. Maybe the key factor is: if you own a iPhone 4 you should wait for a iPad 2.

I seriously doubt it will be announced in January, given that they will have sold a shed load of them in the run up to Christmas, they would risk pissing off a load of customers if they bring out a new one too soon. Won't be this side of June imho. Maybe March/April is some killer Android tablet comes out early in 2011

ScrubsfanChris

opinion guy wrote: »

I seriously doubt it will be announced in January, given that they will have sold a shed load of them in the run up to Christmas, they would risk pissing off a load of customers if they bring out a new one too soon.

Why should they care, its already being bought.

New ipod range - every September
New iphone - every June/July
First ipad - April

So expect an announcement at the end of January like last time, and a release in March/April.

BBMcQ

opinion guy wrote: »

I seriously doubt it will be announced in January

iPad life cycle is that the announcement gets scheduled for end of January. Usually and announcement-to-release time is halved on the 2nd gen models. Apple know most people don't track gadget websites or tech pages of the financial times and will just buy buy buy.

I can't wait (but I actually am waiting) but back on topic, I'd definitely wait.

ironclaw

opinion guy wrote: »

I seriously doubt it will be announced in January, given that they will have sold a shed load of them in the run up to Christmas, they would risk pissing off a load of customers if they bring out a new one too soon.

I'd have to agree with that. You would seriously annoy people who got or gave one for Christmas. The after market would be flooded and only the die hard would buy the new one I'd say.

I was actually talking to a mate about this and frankly the whole Apple year-long product cycle is extremely annoying. Spending €500 on a tablet that you'll get 12 months use out of and then its price plummets. While I agree thats a consumer choice, it would be nice to know "Hey, its €500 that will last me 18 months"

I'm considering an iPad refurb but I'm still inclined to wait. The camera is a big issue for me.

Johnmb

ironclaw wrote: »

I was actually talking to a mate about this and frankly the whole Apple year-long product cycle is extremely annoying. Spending €500 on a tablet that you'll get 12 months use out of and then its price plummets. While I agree thats a consumer choice, it would be nice to know "Hey, its €500 that will last me 18 months"

That really doesn't make any sense. Do you honestly think that just because the other manufacturers don't get the same publicity out of their updates that means they don't update regularly? Everything constantly gets an update, if anything, Apple take too long between theirs compared to the others. They get away with it because usually they are so far ahead of the others that it takes them about a year to catch up even with all the updates in between.

bp1989

ironclaw wrote: »

Spending €500 on a tablet that you'll get 12 months use out of and then its price plummets.

Apple products keep their resale value better than cars. And just because a new version is released does not mean the one you bought the year previous is useless. I know many people with older iPhones, they're all in perfectly working order and their owners have no intention of upgrading. It's your decision if you let Apple dupe you into giving them €500 every single year.

ironclaw

Johnmb wrote: »

That really doesn't make any sense. Do you honestly think that just because the other manufacturers don't get the same publicity out of their updates that means they don't update regularly? Everything constantly gets an update, if anything, Apple take too long between theirs compared to the others. They get away with it because usually they are so far ahead of the others that it takes them about a year to catch up even with all the updates in between.

Well I like to see €500+ as an investment. If by the time we get it here in Ireland, the new version is 8 months away, whats the point in buying it? The iPad is a prime example, really flashy and any techy would want one, but is has obvious shortcomings designed to make a sequel look amazing.

The iPhone 4 has FaceTime and dual cameras, don't tell me that the iPhone 4 team and the iPad team didn't tell each other. It would have been a great coup "You can even FaceTime your buddy on the iPad, hold a meeting etc" But no, lets release iPad 2 and now you can do it. Sorry but you'll now have spent €1000 (iPad 1 + iPad 2) for something they could have released in the first place. The lack of USB etc was another great shortcoming.

The MacBook is different however. Its a great machine and all that changes is generally the processor and graphics cards. Hardly worth upgrading every year. Its a sound investment for 2 / 3 years unlike a €500 punt on a half baked device.

Its annoying to me as its a come-on from Apple for people to buy there products and feel unnerved about waiting for the next one.

I also fully appreciate its any consumers right not to buy a product, but just some of Apple's marketing annoys me. I love the iPad concept but its marketing annoyed me.

bp1989 wrote: »

Apple products keep their resale value better than cars. And just because a new version is released does not mean the one you bought the year previous is useless. I know many people with older iPhones, they're all in perfectly working order and their owners have no intention of upgrading. It's your decision if you let Apple dupe you into giving them €500 every single year.

Fully agree. I had an iPhone 1G and I bought a 4 on launch day. But the upgrade was worth it as it was radically different (Saying that, I've had nothing but problems with it - I've had three repaired, I'm on my fourth) I was very surprised as to how much the 1G was worth, €170 in cases. Which is madness! I don't think its worth half that.

And I agree about the duping. My point is the marketing not the device. Its a consumer choice.

opinion guy

Johnmb wrote: »

That really doesn't make any sense. Do you honestly think that just because the other manufacturers don't get the same publicity out of their updates that means they don't update regularly? Everything constantly gets an update, if anything, Apple take too long between theirs compared to the others. They get away with it because usually they are so far ahead of the others that it takes them about a year to catch up even with all the updates in between.

No I think you are missing a subtlety here. Apple are very quick with their hardware update/new versions. They are BRUTALLY slow with software upgrades/fixes. They prefer to sell hardware than software.

Johnmb

ironclaw wrote: »

Well I like to see €500+ as an investment.

I think that you shouldn't really be buying gadgets or tech devices then. Their value always goes down, and usually down fast, unless they fail and end up being very rare as a result, or you're willing to wait an awful long time until it becomes rare. Apple is quite unusual for such a company in that its products seem to hold their value quite well.

Tom Dunne

ironclaw wrote: »

but is has obvious shortcomings designed to make a sequel look amazing.

The iPhone 4 has FaceTime and dual cameras, don't tell me that the iPhone 4 team and the iPad team didn't tell each other. It would have been a great coup "You can even FaceTime your buddy on the iPad, hold a meeting etc" But no, lets release iPad 2 and now you can do it. Sorry but you'll now have spent €1000 (iPad 1 + iPad 2) for something they could have released in the first place. The lack of USB etc was another great shortcoming.

It is not some cynical marketing ploy, as you make out, but more a question of economics. The cost of designing and manufacturing a brand new device is quite high - hence the reduced set of features on the original iPhone and the current iPad. As the product evolves, economies of scale make the thing cheaper to produce, therefore they can add more features.

Plus, there is the Apple way of doing a small set of features right the first time. Look at the 1st gen iPhone (and the 1st gen iPad, for that matter) - totally blew anything else away. Yes, the 1st gen iPhone was missing a massive amount of features, but it still sold by the bucket loads.

ironclaw wrote: »

The MacBook is different however. Its a great machine and all that changes is generally the processor and graphics cards. Hardly worth upgrading every year. Its a sound investment for 2 / 3 years unlike a €500 punt on a half baked device.

But hasn't the MacBook been out a number of years? As in, it has already gone through a number of evolutions to make it what it is today?

banquo

Ah now. I'd say you'll get 3 years out if the iPad. Then leap to the 3rd or 4th iteration when it finally craps out. I'll be getting the 2nd gen, then probably the 4th or 5th after that.

After I finally finish saving for an MBP. Someday...

efb

I buckled! €453 in Dixons at the airport...

waynegalway

I bought an iPad yesterday. Couldn't wait for gen2, whenever that will be.

The biggest leap that people are rumouring about is that ipad2 will have FaceTime, probably better resolution and possibly a USB port (tho that'll prob only be for charging). Now, I own an iPhone 4, so I already have FaceTime on a device that's far more suited to it (easier to hold), the resolution of the current iPad is fine for me (mostly plan on using it for keynote), and I'm happy to charge it with the regular dock. So it didnt make sense for me to wait, and IMO anyone in a similar situation to be woul be mad to wait.

If u want it now, get it now. If you wait for the "next gen" all the time you'd never get one.

Creamy Goodness

waynegalway wrote: »

If u want it now, get it now. If you wait for the "next gen" all the time you'd never get one.

erm yes you will, when the next generation one comes out in Q1 of 2011.

waynegalway

Creamy Goodness wrote: »

erm yes you will, when the next generation one comes out in Q1 of 2011.

My point is, if you're always waiting for the "next one" you'd never buy anything. Yes, iPad 2 will be out sometime soon, but there will be someone saying when it's been out for 6 months "should I get one or wait for ipad3?"

You can't be too precious about technology: the way I see it is that if you need a piece of technology for whatever reason, then you buy the best piece of kit you can afford at that time. If it turns out a newer version comes along in a couple of months, then so what if you need the gear now?

Creamy Goodness

ah well obviously if you need now you buy now, if you're just buying because you're piss bored on a monday after christmas holiday then you should try fight the urges especially when apple's refreshes are so predictable.

ipad's are luxury devices, i've been of the mindset that i like the ipad, i wouldn't be annoyed if i bought one at launch, nor if i had one in my hand now. just i'm of the opinion that i've waited this long without really needing one so i can hold out until the refresh.

waynegalway

I think we have different reasons for getting one. I'm actually in need of one for work (I give a lot of presentations and keynote is the main selling point for me). I sold my laptop and net book before Xmas so I could fund a neater way of presenting using keynote. In an ideal world I'd have had enough for a mac book, but hey, what can you do..

Personally, I don't see it as a luxury item, and the "benefit" of waiting for a new one is offset by having nothing to give presentations on.

Oh, and I'm not piss bored: how could I be with my iPad?

Creamy Goodness

definition of luxury though is something you don't actually need, you got your ipad to have 'neater' presentations, an ipad is not a necessity to you giving a presentation.

you couldn't live with just an ipad alone, it's a secondary device as you need another machine be it pc/laptop/mac/macbook to hook it up to itunes.

just trying to show that no one actually NEEDS an iPad, they are a luxury item no matter which way you look at them.

also wasn't trying to say you were piss bored, i'm talking about people in general here...

waynegalway

You need iTunes to register it and get it up an running, but after that it can be standalone.

You're right in the sense that I could manage without one before, using the net book or laptop. But I see the iPad as being a fair replacement for those, and in the sense that I need some way to manage presentations, then it is necessary. If it was a luxury item for me, then by your logic so was the net book and/or laptop.

Anyhow, to answer the OP from my point of view: if you need it now, get it now. And in 18 months if ipad3 has something special that you think you'd benefit from, then get that. The rumoured upgrade to hardware in ipad2 doesn't interest me, I have FaceTime on the ip4. All the apps will still work on ipad1 when it comes out, and for me it's all about the apps.

Creamy Goodness

waynegalway wrote: »

If it was a luxury item for me, then by your logic so was the net book and/or laptop.

not so, how could you do presentations without a laptop .

waynegalway wrote: »

Anyhow, to answer the OP from my point of view: if you need it now, get it now. And in 18 months if ipad3 has something special that you think you'd benefit from, then get that. The rumoured upgrade to hardware in ipad2 doesn't interest me, I have FaceTime on the ip4. All the apps will still work on ipad1 when it comes out, and for me it's all about the apps.

pretty much this sums it up.

waynegalway

Creamy Goodness wrote: »

not so, how could you do presentations without a laptop .



pretty much this sums it up.

ironclaw

I have to agree with CreamyGoodness on this one. I love the Apple products, bought the iPhone 1G and only recently upgraded to the iPhone 4. The iPad though is pure luxury. I'd see it as something to put in the bag for a holiday or college. Big enough to book a flight on (The iPhone 4 is too small) but small enough to not weigh me down like a MacBook. The iPad is nothing more that a surf the web, check your mail, read a book device. It will never replace a laptop.

The lack of a camera is unforgivable. R&D isn't that expensive that a camera wouldn't be considered. The Galaxy Tab has one, and the RIM PlayBook devices which lack in other areas admittedly. Apple don't make mistakes too often but for such a "Sit at home, explore the world" type of device the camera issue is a massive let down. FaceTime, Skype and pretty much all IM are ruled out straight away.

My personal view is the iPad was thrown to the Mac fan boys (Which I will proudly say I sort of am) from the god like hand of Jobs in the full knowledge they'd buy it (Sure everyone else has one!) Leave out a few extras, so the next model would propel itself along.

To be fair, what could they release in 2011 if the iPad 1G had dual cameras, USB, CD etc. No one would buy it. These items I feel we're deliberately left out to create a hype and boost sales. That annoys me, especially from a company as meticulous as Apple.

I seriously considered buying one this Sunday just gone, but having weighed up the options, I'm going to wait for the iPad 2 or get a Galaxy / PlayBook instead.

gzoladz

There is one further point in relation to the camera that nobody seems to be highlighting, and this is all the alternatives for new functionalities that a camera would open and are not related to IM and taking pictures.

This goes from something very simple like using the ipad as a mirror through more sophisticated ones like an astronomy apps I saw somewhere where you point the camera to the sky and it will recognize the stars, etc and give you all the information on the screen.

Coming back to the subject, I am also waiting for ipad2. I go my first apple toy for a specific funtcion when Ipod touch 3 was released and found it lot of fun, very smartly done, very good performance, and perhaps one of its main advanteges is that is very spontaneous. If i want to check my email, FB, the weather, have a peep at the news, listen to radio online or watch some tv, I can do it immediately without having to carry a laptop around and having to wait for it to start up.

I did not even consider an ipad when it was released, but after having used my ipod touch so much (more than originally thought) and in a way sometimes wishing it was a bit bigger, I am strongly considering buying one, provided they include a couple of basic enhancements:

1. camera
2. better screen resolution (it is good as it is though, but I played with a 4gen ipod touch and retina display just looks awesome, not expecting that though).
3. More memory (happy with 512, I believe this is a must).
4. Perhaps faster processor.
5. Lighter would be nice.
6. I know flash will not happen, but developers are doing good progress in that direction.

I dont really care neither about USB nor an SD card slot (this will not happen as it may kill Apple's ability to charge €100 to double your storage).

How may of us are waiting?

whiterebel

ironclaw wrote: »

I have to agree with CreamyGoodness on this one. I love the Apple products, bought the iPhone 1G and only recently upgraded to the iPhone 4. The iPad though is pure luxury. I'd see it as something to put in the bag for a holiday or college. Big enough to book a flight on (The iPhone 4 is too small) but small enough to not weigh me down like a MacBook. The iPad is nothing more that a surf the web, check your mail, read a book device. It will never replace a laptop.

The lack of a camera is unforgivable. R&D isn't that expensive that a camera wouldn't be considered. The Galaxy Tab has one, and the RIM PlayBook devices which lack in other areas admittedly. Apple don't make mistakes too often but for such a "Sit at home, explore the world" type of device the camera issue is a massive let down. FaceTime, Skype and pretty much all IM are ruled out straight away.

My personal view is the iPad was thrown to the Mac fan boys (Which I will proudly say I sort of am) from the god like hand of Jobs in the full knowledge they'd buy it (Sure everyone else has one!) Leave out a few extras, so the next model would propel itself along.

To be fair, what could they release in 2011 if the iPad 1G had dual cameras, USB, CD etc. No one would buy it. These items I feel we're deliberately left out to create a hype and boost sales. That annoys me, especially from a company as meticulous as Apple.

I seriously considered buying one this Sunday just gone, but having weighed up the options, I'm going to wait for the iPad 2 or get a Galaxy / PlayBook instead.

Apple could have put everything people wanted into the original iPad, but the price would have been over €1000, and even the "fanboys" wouldn't have bought it........As economies of scale kick in they can introduce more features. They have always been that way.

opinion guy

gzoladz wrote: »

2. better screen resolution (it is good as it is though, but I played with a 4gen ipod touch and retina display just looks awesome, not expecting that though).

Actually I think retina display will happen. They've thrown the gauntlet for themselves by putting it in iphone 4. Technically it will be manageable - the only issue will be cost.

ironclaw

whiterebel wrote: »

Apple could have put everything people wanted into the original iPad, but the price would have been over €1000, and even the "fanboys" wouldn't have bought it........As economies of scale kick in they can introduce more features. They have always been that way.

Strongly disagree. It costs peanuts to make these things once the R&D is done. A USB port system would have had multiple uses e.g. The camera could be hard wired to one, another could be built to handle file I/O. And a USB system would have been easy to integrate, hardware and software wise. Also €1000, I wouldn't say so. Not €499 certainly, but not more that €599. Look at the Galaxy Tab. Everything the iPad is missing and more, but not €1000.

And they have sold millions of these devices so far even with all the short comings. People are buying them to have them in my opinion. Would be interested to know the primary market of the iPad. Hard core techy's citing the shortcomings, while the chic wanting them because "all my friends have one"

opinion guy

ironclaw wrote: »

Strongly disagree. It costs peanuts to make these things once the R&D is done. A USB port system would have had multiple uses e.g. The camera could be hard wired to one, another could be built to handle file I/O. And a USB system would have been easy to integrate, hardware and software wise. Also €1000, I wouldn't say so. Not €499 certainly, but not more that €599. Look at the Galaxy Tab. Everything the iPad is missing and more, but not €1000.

And they have sold millions of these devices so far even with all the short comings. People are buying them to have them in my opinion. Would be interested to know the primary market of the iPad. Hard core techy's citing the shortcomings, while the chic wanting them because "all my friends have one"

Also putting in a camera would have been piss-easy since they managed to fit quite a sophisticated HD one into the iphone 4 in a far smaller space

whiterebel

ironclaw wrote: »

Strongly disagree. It costs peanuts to make these things once the R&D is done. A USB port system would have had multiple uses e.g. The camera could be hard wired to one, another could be built to handle file I/O. And a USB system would have been easy to integrate, hardware and software wise. Also €1000, I wouldn't say so. Not €499 certainly, but not more that €599. Look at the Galaxy Tab. Everything the iPad is missing and more, but not €1000.

And they have sold millions of these devices so far even with all the short comings. People are buying them to have them in my opinion. Would be interested to know the primary market of the iPad. Hard core techy's citing the shortcomings, while the chic wanting them because "all my friends have one"

Yes, and remember the famous HP Slate - which came out twice the price of the iPad, because it tried to do everything at the start. It doesn't cost "peanuts" at the start. Its the most expensive part of the life cycle, until they get order numbers in. They don't get cheaper to produce until they start selling massive numbers. And Apple don't want I/O on their products, unless they control it, have you not figured that out yet?

ironclaw

whiterebel wrote: »

Yes, and remember the famous HP Slate - which came out twice the price of the iPad, because it tried to do everything at the start. It doesn't cost "peanuts" at the start. Its the most expensive part of the life cycle, until they get order numbers in. They don't get cheaper to produce until they start selling massive numbers. And Apple don't want I/O on their products, unless they control it, have you not figured that out yet?

Agree with the I/O bit. I probably wouldn't use USB, even if the iPad had one. As long as I could connect a SD card / camera, I'd be happy (Which you can, but you pay extra for it)

I'm sorry. Adding a camera would not add €500 to the device. The iPhone had one from day one. Its a simple addition and one already done. The iPad is also based on the A4 chip with iOS architecture. The internal board I would say is extremely close (Give and take) to the iPhone 4 which has two cameras. These devices were developed at the same time and probably in the same place.

There is no reason that I can see why a camera was left off the iPad. I really can't.

whiterebel

ironclaw wrote: »

Agree with the I/O bit. I probably wouldn't use USB, even if the iPad had one. As long as I could connect a SD card / camera, I'd be happy (Which you can, but you pay extra for it)

I'm sorry. Adding a camera would not add €500 to the device. The iPhone had one from day one. Its a simple addition and one already done. The iPad is also based on the A4 chip with iOS architecture. The internal board I would say is extremely close (Give and take) to the iPhone 4 which has two cameras. These devices were developed at the same time and probably in the same place.

There is no reason that I can see why a camera was left off the iPad. I really can't.

Its not just the camera. Look at the demands from people when it came out first....Camera x 2, SD Card slots, HDMI, Better display, slimmer bezel, USB.......etc. They basically wanted a laptop. Apple always do it in increments, and I for one don't mind it. I'd love one for doing presentations with a projector, but I'll wait until the next version.

ironclaw

whiterebel wrote: »

Its not just the camera. Look at the demands from people when it came out first....Camera x 2, SD Card slots, HDMI, Better display, slimmer bezel, USB.......etc. They basically wanted a laptop. Apple always do it in increments, and I for one don't mind it. I'd love one for doing presentations with a projector, but I'll wait until the next version.

My wish list was a camera and HDMI. I would have been in the launch day queue if it had. The display is perfect in my opinion. Honest how much more res could you get out of it? The battery could do with a tweak but I've heard well beyond the 10 hours promised.

The MacBook is the perfect laptop in my opinion. The iPad will never be a laptop and never should be. A netbook maybe but it won't replace a MacBook any time soon. I could see a multi-touch MacBook in 2012 though.

Creamy Goodness

you'll never see an apple laptop with a multi touch screen.

they pretty much dismissed the fact at the macbook air keynote this year the laptop form factor is just not ergonomic enough for touch screens.

ironclaw

Creamy Goodness wrote: »

you'll never see an apple laptop with a multi touch screen.

they pretty much dismissed the fact at the macbook air keynote this year the laptop form factor is just not ergonomic enough for touch screens.

Makes sense I suppose. Clears the way for iPad to make groove in the market.