Deal or no Deal?

Shane732

Has anyone ever tried a deal or no deal no thread? I've seen them on similar forums and they work quite well....

Anyway there's a 08 BMW 335D M-Sport up for sale on Carzone. The dealer is looking for €35k for it, what do you think would be a reasonable price for it?

I think I know who owned the car previously - if it's the car I'm thinking about then it's an extremely clean car that was very well looked after.

Squall19

I dont want to turn this into a diesel vs petrol, but why would you buy an unreliable diesel when you can get the exceptional 3.0l six-cylinder engine. for 10k less.The petrol is nearly as econimical as the thirsty diesel in my experinence and it has a simple engine design, not like the diesel which will break your heart when it goes wrong.The petrol is way way cheaper to run long term and sounds the part.

http://www.driving.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=201010197208703

Shane732

Squall19 wrote: »

I dont want to turn this into a diesel vs petrol, but why would you buy an unreliable diesel when you can get the exceptional 3.0l six-cylinder engine. for 10k less.The petrol is nearly as econimical as the thirsty diesel in my experinence and it has a simple engine design, not like the diesel which will break your heart when it goes wrong.The petrol is way way cheaper to run long term and sounds the part.

http://www.driving.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=201010197208703

I'm still not sure what I want to buy being honest. I've pulled back what I've been looking at due to the high maintenance costs.

If I was buying another BMW it'd be a 335 petrol or diesel. The main reason I'd buy a diesel over a petrol would be the higher residual sales value - having said that if I could find a 335i for €10k cheaper than a 335D that would kind of wipe out residual value issue.

If I buy a 335 it'll only be a stop gap for a year or two so I really don't want to take a massive hit on the residual sale value of it over 12 - 18 months.

The 330 you linked is only a SE model - I hate the look of the SE models.

bmw535d

buy the 335d, what an epic car.buy it buy it buy it:D

Shane732

bmw535d wrote: »

buy the 335d, what an epic car.buy it buy it buy it:D

I'm very tempted but there's some a little fecker sitting on my shoulder telling me not to change what I've got! :mad:

Idbatterim

Op what car have you got now? there is a nice 06 m sport petrol E60 on donedeal.ie now, looking for 14k. If you can get a petrol for as much cheaper as the other poster claims, diesel would be ludicrous, the more expensive car will depreciate more and if you borrow cost more in interest. Also the big probelm I have with diesels is, if something goes wrong and sets you back a few hundred how many thousands of miles are you going to have to do just to justify it over petrol?

Anan1

I have to say i'd sooner a 330i to a 335d too, although a 335i would be the ideal. It'd have to be an SE for me, and with a decent level of trim. I'll never understand this Irish thing of leather, an MPack, nav and power seats = full spec. Does either of those cars even have heated seats?

Shane732

Anan1 wrote: »

I have to say i'd sooner a 330i to a 335d too, although a 335i would be the ideal. It'd have to be an SE for me, and with a decent level of trim. I'll never understand this Irish thing of leather, an MPack, nav and power seats = full spec. Does either of those cars even have heated seats?

If the 335 is the one I'm thinking about then it doesn't have heated seats.

I hate the rear bumper of the SE model, hate the standard seats (whether they are leather or not), hate the steering wheel!

I think the M-Sport model is a much nicer finish.

I've got a mad idea in my head to go out and buy a share in a pharmacy (something that I've absolutely nothing to do with and no knowledge of) and it's that idea that's really holding me back. I'm getting far to sensible!!!!

Shane732

Idbatterim wrote: »

Op what car have you got now? there is a nice 06 m sport petrol E60 on donedeal.ie now, looking for 14k. If you can get a petrol for as much cheaper as the other poster claims, diesel would be ludicrous, the more expensive car will depreciate more and if you borrow cost more in interest. Also the big probelm I have with diesels is, if something goes wrong and sets you back a few hundred how many thousands of miles are you going to have to do just to justify it over petrol?

I'm driving a 07 (E90) 320 M-Sport at the moment, nice car but it's not quick enough.

Idbatterim

op take a look at below...

http://www.carzone.ie/search/BMW/6-Series/645-645C/201047200366356/advert?channel=CARS

Idbatterim

or look at this! its a 325... the 320 is only a four cylinder, its not going to be a rocket...

http://www.carzone.ie/search/BMW/3-Series/325Ci-M-/201042199928333/advert?channel=CARS

Shane732

Idbatterim wrote: »

or look at this! its a 325... the 320 is only a four cylinder, its not going to be a rocket...

http://www.carzone.ie/search/BMW/3-Series/325Ci-M-/201042199928333/advert?channel=CARS

I must say that's a nice find. Hmmm... i wonder how much they want for me to get into it. i'd probably do it for a few grand.

Edit: No Xenons!!! :mad:

Idbatterim

you could upgrade to xenons, im fussy when it comes to bmw's, but I honestly would not expect a 3 series to tick absolutely every option box...

Squall19

Idbatterim wrote: »

or look at this! its a 325... the 320 is only a four cylinder, its not going to be a rocket...

http://www.carzone.ie/search/BMW/3-Series/325Ci-M-/201042199928333/advert?channel=CARS

A new 320d will give that 325i a run:D I wouldn't buy a 335d myself but they would blow the mirrors of a 325i, they are seriously fast when they are up and running, if they are on the motorway you can just forget about it.600nm of torque backed up by 280bhp+ is something scary and I know.

The 335d i met scared me, I have quite a fast car, a car I thought would be able to dispatch of any diesel, but how wrong i was.My mapped 300bhp Mazda 3 mps 2.3l turbo petrol couldn't gain on it from 100kmh to jail speeds ( I was in 3rd, right on my peak power ), im guessing the bmw was stock.I would have needed 350bhp to pass that thing, it accelerated like all hell past 140kmh and i could only watch, it wasnt pulling on me, but no way i could get past without more power.

I advised the op not to buy one and get a petrol because they are more reliable, cheaper and so on, but really im just jealous i cant afford one because they are awesome.Decent remap and they are past 350bhp with 700nm+ thats fast.

Shane732

Squall19 wrote: »

A new 320d will give that 325i a run:D I wouldn't buy a 335d myself but they would blow the mirrors of a 325i, they are seriously fast when they are up and running, if they are on the motorway you can just forget about it.600nm of torque backed up by 280bhp+ is something scary and I know.

The 335d i met scared me, I have quite a fast car, a car I thought would be able to dispatch of any diesel, but how wrong i was.My mapped 300bhp Mazda 3 mps 2.3l turbo petrol couldn't gain on it from 100kmh to jail speeds ( I was in 3rd, right on my peak power ), im guessing the bmw was stock.I would have needed 350bhp to pass that thing, it accelerated like all hell past 140kmh and i could only watch, it wasnt pulling on me, but no way i could get past without more power.

I advised the op not to buy one and get a petrol because they are more reliable, cheaper and so on, but really im just jealous i cant afford one because they are awesome.Decent remap and they are past 350bhp with 700nm+ thats fast.

Are you a BMW sales rep? I think that post may just have sold the car to me and I'm not that fast of a driver - just love having the power!

maddness

Shane732 wrote: »

Are you a BMW sales rep? I think that post may just have sold the car to me and I'm not that fast of a driver - just love having the power!

Why bother then? 99% of people would have no idea that a 335 is any different from a 320 and if you dont drive fast is there any point in changing. If you like the look of your 320M sport fair enough.
Personally I would rather a 335SE without any badges over a 320M sport.

mickdw

For me, it has to be M sport version simply because they look so much better. Also the interior is so poor if it doesnt have the Nav screen at least.
I would go for the 335d. They are unreal and will be worth more in a couple of years compared to the 335i. The petrol will be scandalous of fuel regardless of some of the figures you see quoted.

Drummerboy08

A 335i Coupe is the closest thing you'll buy to an M3 without actually buying one.

I had one for a day and it was savage quick. I dropped the boot at one stage and I was left spinning the rear wheels doing 50mph. :eek:

It is a thirsty beast though, and the other problem is that anyone who actually knows what it is will know you didn't buy an M3 and will ask you why....

MarkN

All E92 coupes have bi-xenons as standard afaik.

Anan1

Idbatterim wrote: »

you could upgrade to xenons, im fussy when it comes to bmw's, but I honestly would not expect a 3 series to tick absolutely every option box...

If I were buying a 330i/335i i'd be expecting adaptive xenons, Logic7, and heated sports seats with lumbar as a minimum. If I wanted a cold @rse and a sh1tty radio i'd buy a Polo.

Squall19

Shane732 wrote: »

Are you a BMW sales rep? I think that post may just have sold the car to me and I'm not that fast of a driver - just love having the power!

I was stunned, i wasn't expecting a diesel bmw to match me for stride for stride in my only recently mapped hot hatch which is putting out the same bhp and more torque than the new Ford Focus RS.

Here is a comparison between a hot hatch, Mitsubishi Lancer Evo X, Bmw 335i.

http://www.zeperfs.com/en/match1388-1543-1488-1680.htm

Look at the figures closely and you can see its very fast.It matches the Mazda Mps and Evo X everywhere, 0-180, 80-180, braking performance, even the 1/4 mile.BMW 335i is a little bit quicker than everyone, top speed in particular, but a remap will take the diesel past it, but you can map the 335i as well.Class

Shane732

maddness wrote: »

Why bother then? 99% of people would have no idea that a 335 is any different from a 320 and if you dont drive fast is there any point in changing. If you like the look of your 320M sport fair enough.
Personally I would rather a 335SE without any badges over a 320M sport.

Why bother? It's nice to have the power!! Knowing you can drop nearly everything you see on the road is a nice feeling - and when I'm say I'm not that fast of a driver doesn't mean I exactly hang around either!!

Voodoomelon

It would have to be the 335i for me, the 335d pushes 282bhp and barely manages as sub 6 second to 100kph time.

Don't get me wrong, its very fast, but theres plenty of other cars out there with similar spec; the 335i gets to 100kph a full second quicker and sounds much better. As said above, they also command a lower price.

Yes its pedantic to be concerned with 0-100 times, but at the top end of the ladder thats all it comes down to really. Either you're looking for the quickest or you're not. There's a massive price difference between the 335i and an M3 and thats a perfectly justifiable reason not to go for an M3, but between the 330s and 335s, there's no decision really, 335i all the way.

Squall19

Voodoomelon wrote: »

It would have to be the 335i for me, the 335d pushes 282bhp and barely manages as sub 6 second to 100kph time.

Don't get me wrong, its very fast, but theres plenty of other cars out there with similar spec; the 335i gets to 100kph a full second quicker and sounds much better. As said above, they also command a lower price.

Yes its pedantic to be concerned with 0-100 times, but at the top end of the ladder thats all it comes down to really. Either you're looking for the quickest or you're not. There's a massive price difference between the 335i and an M3 and thats a perfectly justifiable reason not to go for an M3, but between the 330s and 335s, there's no decision really, 335i all the way.

I have the feeling of being cheated when I think about the 335i, yeah its fast and 300bhp is alot, but its a twin turbo 3.0l petrol! Mitsubishi are getting well over 300bhp from their 2.0l turbo petrol as are Ford and so on.

BMW are just glorifying their diesels and making them alot better than they really are imo, why I dont know.Without turbo injection they are making about 50bhp per litre from their diesels, while we know they can make over 100bhp per litre from their petrols without turbo injection.The bmw 335i should be at least 425bhp from a 3.0l twin turbo petrol, they are really undertuned and nothing special at all, while the diesel is state of the art.I know they dont want a 335i wiping the floor with the N/A M3, but thats going turbo charged as well and will be over 450bhp, so they have no excuses.The 335d has more torque, better fuel economy, only 20bhp less, thats not on imo.Turbo petrol with the same displacement should murder a turbo diesel, while those two are very close.

Idbatterim

I have a 318ci at the moment, I have driven an m3 and having that power is immense. When i upgrade, Ill go for 2.5 or 3L, even though the 6 and 7 series are now very affordable, there is only so much excess power and hence (more tax, fuel etc) I can justify.

Idbatterim

Op i reckon your current car has 168 bhp.

325i EUR 05–07 2.5 L I6 218 PS (160 kW; 215 bhp) 250 N·m (184 lb·ft)
325i EUR 07+ 3.0 L I6 218 PS (160 kW; 215 bhp) 270 N·m (199 lb·ft)

so from 2007 if you drive a 325, you are paying an extra few hundred in tax, despite no increase in hp!

TCP/IP

Ok as someone that owns a 335i and was trying to deciede between the the 335i and 335d I went for the 335i in the end and boy was it the right decision and I will tell you why.
One day at the lights I came up beside a 335d and that boy was left behind and if that matters to you get the petrol version. Also I got mine rempapped by these guys:
http://www.dmsautomotive.com/

Its a monster of a machine and the E46 M3 can not get near it and the E90 M3 cant get past until stupid speed. Buy the petrol and have a smile on your face for ever. Yes the car has sat in the drive for two weeks because of the snow but so what. Also whatever you do dont buy a car without the idrive.

Have fun looking
TCP/IP

Anan1

TCP/IP wrote: »

Ok as someone that owns a 335i and was trying to deciede between the the 335i and 335d I went for the 335i in the end and boy was it the right decision and I will tell you why.
One day at the lights I came up beside a 335d and that boy was left behind and if that matters to you get the petrol version.

That wouldn't matter to me in the slightest. What would matter are the wider power band and greater refinement of the petrol car.

bmw535d

i agree with the poster that the 335i is under tuned for what it is compared to the diesel performance, it should be at least 400bhp. id say it wouldn't take alot to get it there though,full exhaust system and a 2 day dyno session with someone that knows what they are at.

TCP/IP

Interesting read lads

http://www.evo-s.co.uk/shop/index.php?cPath=6_2372_2945_3824

-Corkie-

Hows the budget fixed Shane. Would the Audi A7 be out. Fantastic car imo.

Idbatterim

tcp/ip how much did the remap cost? where is the catch with remapping? worse fuel consumption, increased engine wear? insurance implications?

TCP/IP

Remap €800 no increase in insurance. No difference in fuel keep it well maintained and engine will be fine. Oh and it's the best money I have ever spent.

Idbatterim

that is very impressive! the depreciation of the 335i is staggering if the below ad is to be believed its also the cheapest 335i on carzone.

http://www.carzone.ie/search/BMW/3-Series/335I-SE-/201047200354183/advert?channel=CARS

TCP/IP

Milage a little high and no idrive no buy.

Idbatterim

id love to see a remap 335 and 335d timed around the top gear track. why dont bmw optimise the engines from the outset?

Shane732

I've just been offered a 2008 635D for €46K. I'm pretty certain it's this one but not 100% sure yet....

http://www.carzone.ie/search/BMW/6-Series/Diesel-S/201041199897051/advert?channel=CARS



I haven't negotiated the price at all yet.

What do you guys think of the price?

Suppose I should really just buy a Nissan Leaf! :rolleyes:

-Corkie-

Oh buy the Leaf and get some Celery sticks to go with it..;)

Thats a nice motor, BMW 535D will be stone mad about you now...:D

Shane732

-Corkie- wrote: »

Hows the budget fixed Shane. Would the Audi A7 be out. Fantastic car imo.

The budget would allow for an A7 all right but I'm not that keen on it for some reason!

The reason I've reduced by budget from the €70-80k range is that the running costs on the things re higher than I thought they would be.

The A7 would probably be easy enough from a running cost point of view. The 3.0TDI is only like 180 Co2 isn't it?

-Corkie-

Shane732 wrote: »

The budget would allow for an A7 all right but I'm not that keen on it for some reason!

The reason I've reduced by budget from the €70-80k range is that the running costs on the things re higher than I thought they would be.

The A7 would probably be easy enough from a running cost point of view. The 3.0TDI is only like 180 Co2 isn't it?

Its in the lower tax allright. I think there handsome. New A8 is also a fantastic car. I got a spin in one at Xmas.

Shane732

-Corkie- wrote: »

Oh buy the Leaf and get some Celery sticks to go with it..;)

Thats a nice motor, BMW 535D will be stone mad about you now...:D

I'd have to change me name to BMW635D!!

What you think of the price?

I think it's reasonable enough and the car looks lovely.

-Corkie-

Shane732 wrote: »

I'd have to change me name to BMW635D!!

What you think of the price?

I think it's reasonable enough and the car looks lovely.

How much was it brand new. I reackon you should buy it cheaper. Are you trading your own car or buying straight.

Shane732

-Corkie- wrote: »

How much was it brand new. I reackon you should buy it cheaper. Are you trading your own car or buying straight.

Either - I'd probably be trading in my own but if I was getting hammered on it then I'd look at selling my E90 privately.

Don't actually know how much they are new. Stopped selling them now. 630i is €85k new

TCP/IP

What happens shane when someone in a 335i blows you off the road buy the petrol my friend. Or else get a 650i in fact spend 45K and buy a second hand M6 they are a peach.

mickdw

Id like one of those, pretty special car but I think I better stall abit on car spending for now. Puzzled as what to buy for equivalent money to my A5 though. Im thinking about this for more than a year & Im no closer to a decision.

Shane732

mickdw wrote: »

Id like one of those, pretty special car but I think I better stall abit on car spending for now. Puzzled as what to buy for equivalent money to my A5 though. Im thinking about this for more than a year & Im no closer to a decision.

ditto!! minus the A5 bit....

Anan1

TCP/IP wrote: »

What happens shane when someone in a 335i blows you off the road buy the petrol my friend.

I honestly don't think that this is an issue for many adults. And those few for whom it is are probably riding bikes.

VolvoMan

Anan1 wrote: »

If I were buying a 330i/335i i'd be expecting adaptive xenons, Logic7, and heated sports seats with lumbar as a minimum. If I wanted a cold @rse and a sh1tty radio i'd buy a Polo.

Ah sure it's the M-Pack that's all that matters don't you know...

Shane732 wrote: »

I haven't negotiated the price at all yet.

What do you guys think of the price?

Suppose I should really just buy a Nissan Leaf! :rolleyes:

Shane, you've had threads like this before. Sh1t or get off the pot is what I say.;)

mickdw

VolvoMan wrote: »

Shane, you've had threads like this before. Sh1t or get off the pot is what I say.;)

But looking around & making the decision is half the fun

Shane732

mickdw wrote: »

But looking around & making the decision is half the fun

I love it!

Shane732

VolvoMan wrote: »

Ah sure it's the M-Pack that's all that matters don't you know...

Is that a dig at me?? Not exactly sure what relevance it has to me.

VolvoMan wrote: »

Shane, you've had threads like this before. Sh1t or get off the pot is what I say.;)

I'm constipated.