What exactly is English (Ireland) and the way we write?

robp

Hi,

In Microsoft Word 2010 there is a language option entitled "English (Ireland)". I use it when possible but I have yet to notice any difference from the British option. Is there any difference from English (UK)?

This raises a broader question. Is English written in Ireland different in any way from British English? Is our Hiberno-English tongue purely a spoken (and colloquial) phenomenon?

aidan_walsh

IIRC it relates largely to keyboard mappings for things like the euro key and vowel accents.

General General

robp wrote: »

Hi,

In Microsoft Word 2010 there is an language option entitled "English (Ireland)". I use when it possible but I have yet to notice any difference to the British option. Is there any real difference from English (UK)?

This raises a broader question. Is written English in Ireland different in any way from British English? Is our Hiberno-English tongue purely a spoken (and colloquial) phenomena?

Too many grammatical errors, didn't correct.

e2e

I am from the RS (Bosnia) and I have no idea about the differences mentioned.:)

Cheers & Slainte

kowloon

General General wrote: »

Too many grammatical errors,I didn't correct them.

Now someone can correct this post and put me in my place.

Duffy the Vampire Slayer

Whiskey instead of whisky is all I can think of.

dlofnep

Aidan is correct. It's for currency, and vowel accents.

Fratton Fred

It's a bit like Irish Breakfast tea. There is no difference between the Irish and English versions, but calling them different things stops people whinging.

confusticated

aidan_walsh wrote: »

IIRC it relates largely to keyboard mappings for things like the euro key and vowel accents.

But...changing the dictionary to French doesn't change the keyboard to French layout, so this doesn't make any sense to me. Also, there aren't any vowel accents in English words. Am I missing something?

AntiMatter

confusticated wrote: »

But...changing the dictionary to French doesn't change the keyboard to French layout, so this doesn't make any sense to me. Also, there aren't any vowel accents in English words. Am I missing something?

I think he means vowel accents as in the Irish fáda and French circonflexe, cedrille, etc.

confusticated

AntiMatter wrote: »

I think he means vowel accents as in the Irish fáda and French circonflexe, cedrille, etc.

Yeah, but in English(Ireland), there aren't any accents. I understand changing to Irish cos the spellings are different since the language is different.

AntiMatter

confusticated wrote: »

Yeah, but in English(Ireland), there aren't any accents. I understand changing to Irish cos the spellings are different since the language is different.

The only application I could think of would be names and place names.

Skerries

in the Irish version certain letters are dropped and picked up
"wha the **** are youse two bleedin' talkin abou'?"

Terry

Jaysus, feck and so forth.

robp

Interesting. Thanks for all the replies.

enda1

Yea nothing to do with keyboard mapping I'd say, that's on OS setting.
Maybe placenames?

Or else the odd use of Irish words in English, such as "marla" for plasticine or "craic" for fun or "cailín" for girl.

<couldn't be bothered opening word to check the verity of this>

raymann

so that people like rebelheart can actually post on here without compromising his beliefs.

pickarooney

The grammar checker allows things like 'does be' and 'I'm after doing it' and 'buck eejit'.

Big Ears

It includes 'delph' as a word ?

upandcumming

It is actually for words like centre where it is spelled center in USA.

Also, if you change the English Ireland to English America, the keyboard will be different. The @ will be where the " is on your keyboard, provided you bought the keyboard in Ireland.

enda1

upandcumming wrote: »

It is actually for words like centre where it is spelled center in USA.

Also, if you change the English Ireland to English America, the keyboard will be different. The @ will be where the " is on your keyboard, provided you bought the keyboard in Ireland.

bollocks

upandcumming

enda1 wrote: »

bollocks

Ah shoo will you? You clearly haven't a notion.

Ruu_Old

Hold out the pinky if you are using English (UK). Just forget about it with English (Ireland) but make sure to whistle a few tunes from about the rare auld town every once in a while.

starbelgrade

enda1 wrote: »

bollocks

If you used the "English (Ireland)" language option, that would have read "bollix".

Star Bingo

its a sleight of hand. a distinct twang of the pen

Capt'n Midnight

It's so the can charge government depts extra for the "new language"

Hiberno-English is quite different from what they speak over in England.

For a start , especially the start of words, we don't get mixed up with 'f' and 's' and don't drop 'h'

at the other end of the scale we have a lot more Nobel prizes for literature per capita than other English speaking countries

pickarooney

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

It's so the can charge government depts extra for the "new language"

Hiberno-English is quite different from what they speak over in England.

For a start , especially the start of words, we don't get mixed up with 'f' and 's' and don't drop 'h'

at the other end of the scale we have a lot more Nobel prizes for literature per capita than other English speaking countries

There have only been three, and two of them ****ed off out of Ireland the first chance they got.

Elohim

It's actually just a thing thought up by the marketing and pr departments in Microsoft. Nothing to do with keyboard changes or anything like that.
Mystery solved. :cool:

Capt'n Midnight

pickarooney wrote: »

There have only been three, and two of them ****ed off out of Ireland the first chance they got.

aren't you forgetting George Bernard Shaw ?

pickarooney

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

aren't you forgetting George Bernard Shaw ?

No, I'm including him as he emigrated to London before he started writing. I'm 'forgetting' Seamus Heaney as he's from the UK.

4zn76tysfajdxp

Terry wrote: »

Jaysus, feck and so forth.

Pretty sure they say "so forth" in Britain.

liah

Irish colloquial grammar is absolutely nuts, and you've at least one word that isn't used much outside of Ireland: 'craic.'

Makes sense.

I've seen English (Canada) and genuinely can't figure out what the difference is. Perhaps it's to accommodate the Quebecois or add in some French accents or something, but our English is the same as British English.

AntiMatter

pickarooney wrote: »

No, I'm including him as he emigrated to London before he started writing. I'm 'forgetting' Seamus Heaney as he's from the UK.

Seamus Heaney is British?

I thought if you were born in N.I. you could choose which nation/s you wished to be a citizen of.

opinion guy

enda1 wrote: »

Yea nothing to do with keyboard mapping I'd say, that's on OS setting.
Maybe placenames?

Or else the odd use of Irish words in English, such as "marla" for plasticine or "craic" for fun or "cailín" for girl.

<couldn't be bothered opening word to check the verity of this>

ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
ITs 'mála'

There is no R


Didn't you see the thread!?!?!?!

pickarooney

opinion guy wrote: »

ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
ITs 'mála'

There is no R


Didn't you see the thread!?!?!?!

Is this an ironic post or is it just incidentally ironic?

English (Canada) doesn't question the use of "hoser" but does autoreplace "Starbucks" with "Tim Horton's"

opinion guy

pickarooney wrote: »

Is this an ironic post or is it just incidentally ironic?

English (Canada) doesn't question the use of "hoser" but does autoreplace "Starbucks" with "Tim Horton's"

A little from column A, a little from column B:D
It was the r-less version where I'm from

pickarooney

AntiMatter wrote: »

Seamus Heaney is British?

I thought if you were born in N.I. you could choose which nation/s you wished to be a citizen of.

Fair enough, I was cheating by discounting someone who immigrated along with those who emigrated

Capt'n Midnight

we've got an erotic 'r'

upandcumming

opinion guy wrote: »

ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
ITs 'mála'

There is no R


Didn't you see the thread!?!?!?!

It is márla.

Mike 1972

So the militant Gaelgoirs have been lying all along and "our native language" (TM) is actually English (Ireland)

AntiMatter wrote: »

I thought if you were born in N.I. you could choose which nation/s you wished to be a citizen of.

Not necessarily.

walshb

I thought maybe there was an Irish English version so words
like 'threwn' and 'inanyway' would work?

pickarooney

Mike 1972 wrote: »

So the militant Gaelgoirs have been lying all along and "our native language" (TM) is actually English (Ireland)

There's no collective "native language". Each individual has a native tongue, or birth language (the clue is in the name) - that being the first one they learned as a child.

Capt'n Midnight

UK = United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland

You can be Irish and part of the UK

opinion guy

upandcumming wrote: »

It is márla.

Not where I come from it ain't

emeraldstar

opinion guy wrote: »

ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
ITs 'mála'

Bag?

opinion guy wrote: »

Didn't you see the thread!?!?!?!

Didn't you?!

e2e

pickarooney wrote: »

No, I'm including him as he emigrated to London before he started writing. I'm 'forgetting' Seamus Heaney as he's from the UK.

"had" emigrated earlier or started to write on board of the ship?

pickarooney

e2e wrote: »

"had" emigrated earlier or started to write on board of the ship?

Don't try to be smart when you don't know what you're talking about. It won't end well.

e2e

won't be ending well? wouldn't be for the first time?:D

Big Ears

pickarooney wrote: »

Don't try to be smart when you don't know what you're talking about. It won't end well.

You make it sound like you're going to kneecap him.

Killer Pigeon

Hiberno-English

Courtesy of wikipedia.

upandcumming

opinion guy wrote: »

Not where I come from it ain't

Wrong-town?